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Hi Krysia,
Thank you for the advice on Contacting MoD UK. My
mother is still alive so I think that we will get the
information through her address.
Do you have any advice on getting information from the
Sikorski Institute in London? I wrote to both Mod and
Sikorski Institute over two weeks ago and still no
reply.
Thanks again for your help
Regards
Stephen

--- Krysia <szmitty@...> wrote: > Hi Stefan,

I have also requested information (regarding my
father) to the MOD. My
cousin tried writing first for my dad's War Records
but was refused. Had to
be next of kin. That was 25 anyway to myself as I
recall... When I was
going through dad's paperwork I found that he
already had a copy so I didn't
have to apply. Worth checking through any paperwork
you may find I think.
They need the request in writing but if you give
them a call they can tell
you more.
Good Luck,
Krysia

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Tadeusz Dobrostanski has alerted me to this current news item in the Polish
press, about a newly formed association of the "Expelled from Kresy" under
Jan Skalski, a long-time Kresy activist in Bytom, Poland.

Its goal is to sign up not only the expelled but also their children and
grandchildren, in Poland and from overseas and to represent their interests
- including the issue of unresolved claims for seized property.

The full article in Polish is at
It would be nice if one of our members would translate it for us.

Regards
Stefan Wisniowski

Hela

Thanks for your message. ?I have found it useful to rely on our published group values in such matters, including: "... members are also asked to avoid commenting on current politics that could cause dissension between members, especially those not on the topic of the history and fate of the deported Polish citizens."

As for member Klaudiusz Wesolek, without commenting on his political and legal situation, I do wish him a speedy return and all the best in his activity promoting the cause of research, remembrance and recognition of the Soviet deportations through his museum "Pro Memento Sybir" in Gdansk.

Regards
Stefan Wisniowski
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Jannette

grandmother = babcia
grandfather = dziadek
relation = pokrewie?stwo
family tree = drzewo rodzinne
grandson = wnuk

If you need any translation- here I am.

Gabriel Damaszk



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<jintymiginty51@y...> wrote:

hi can anyone tell how to write these words in polish please
Grandmother & Grandfather , relation , family tree , Grandson

thanks

Jannette

Helena, Wladislaw chose Scotland, married a Scottish
girl, had two children and is now a widower but born
Polish is always Polish. He sometimes goes to see his
sister in Radom.

M. Dubicki

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Wher did he go and what happened next?



Bye 4 now Hela.

From: Margaret Dubicki <yenisei44@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Lesser of two evils!
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:03:24 +0100 (BST)

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Dear all,

Yes it is sad that there is corrupton, but maybe because of my age, I am too cynical, but think that corruption exists in any organisation where people are involved. It is human nature to try to get more for oneself thinking it doesnt harm anyone else. Think about tax returns or jobs done on the side etc. My immediate concern however is the group. I do not feel we should become embroiled in anything which might discredit the group. It is sad and courageous of the correspondent in Gdansk but our brief is remeberance. Most of our families lost lands to various conquerors and yes morally we should be compensated but we will not be and would our realtives want it? For most it is too late and we know how difficult it is for them to talk about their experiences in the past, this is not always because of the attrocities endured but those they perceive/d may happen if they were to do so!


Bye 4 now Hela.

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The 60th anniversary of the battle for Monte Cassino will be upon us
in May of 2004. If you can't make the pilgrimage to Italy, you are
all invited to attend the SPK event in Toronto.

The exact nature of the event has not yet been finalized but we hope
to add an English language educational component with respect to the
full Sybirak experience as well as the full story of the Polish
Forces in the West. Our target audience is actually the second and
third generations.

Of course, any and all survivors (not just Sybiraks) who attend will
be our honoured guests.

Keep May of 2004 open. Tell your friends. More information will
follow in the New Year.

Henryk

Thank you Joan for this valuable contribution from Aleks. ?I hope it gets to Shoshana Stifel in Israel.
Stefan Wisniowski

In his nearly completed second volume of his autobiography --- "Without a Roof" [WAR], the sequel to "Without Vodka: Adventures in Wartime Russia"--
Topolski writes about his experiences in Signals with Anders Army, the 2nd Polish Corps, in Iraq and Palestine as well as Italy and Monte Cassino. Here is his take on the relations between Christians and Jews in the Polish Army
I think I may have posted this before but there are so many new listers that, even so, it's worth posting again.
Joan Eddis-Topolski
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By the end of our stay in Palestine, when the troops were getting ready to leave for Italy, Jewish soldiers began disappearing from our units. It was a trying time for them. In Palestine there were Jewish paramilitary organizations like Hagana and the radical Stern Gang. They were the forerunners of the future Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Armed Forces), which later became the Israeli army. Our Jewish comrades kept vanishing one by one or in small groups. Some would take their weapons with them. Some would not. Some even took care to mail back the uniforms they wore when they left. They hid in kibbutzes and small Jewish towns. We bumped into them now and again. During the "Virile" war games, we met some in the fields working on the land and exchanged greetings. There was no ill feeling on either side.
The British Military Police, who had an excellent network of informers, offered to bring the deserters back. But Anders refused the offer. He understood the problem which faced Jewish soldiers--the problem of divided loyalty. And he saw that for most of them the fight for their homeland and the Jewish state was of prime importance. As Poles we had suffered through centuries of occupation and we could understand how they felt.
Anders personally gave permission to Corporal Begin for his discharge from the Polish Army so that he could stay in Palestine. It was the same Menachem Begin who was to become the Prime Minister of Israel and the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1978. In his autobiography, "White Nights", Begin does not mention Anders's beau geste.
Some Jewish soldiers stayed with our troops throughout the war. The number of Stars of David among the crosses in our Polish war cemeteries bear witness to their loyalty and sacrifice.
One thing that I found difficult to accept was the bad publicity at that time in the free world press about the "cruel" treatment of Jews in the Polish army. It was propaganda used to justify the mass desertion of Jews on the eve of our departure for the war front in Italy. I think the Zionists felt they had to justify the desertions, perhaps from fear that the British might seek out and arrest these Polish Jews and they wanted to forestall any such reprisals.
Of course there was always some anti-Semitism in Poland, as there was everywhere in Christendom in those days. And some of it showed up among our troops in the same way that there was animosity at times between English and Scottish troops. But General Anders didn't like it and was doing his best to eradicate it. He writes in his memoirs that when he spoke to Stalin about forming the Polish army in the USSR, he made a point of telling Stalin his army would accept anyone who was a Polish citizen, even if they were Ukrainian, Byelorussian or Jewish in background. And our army did indeed accept them, despite the threats of the Politburo who didn't believe they were really Polish and wanted to stop them from joining us. Until we left the USSR, most of our Jewish soldiers hid their religion for fear they would be declared ineligible to leave with us.
---Excerpt from manuscript of "Without A Roof" by Aleksander Topolski

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In his nearly completed second volume of his autobiography --- "Without a Roof" [WAR], the sequel to "Without Vodka: Adventures in Wartime Russia"--
Topolski writes about his experiences in Signals with Anders Army , the 2nd Polish Corps, in Iraq and Palestine as well as Italy and Monte Cassino. Here is his take on the relations between Christians and Jews in the Polish Army
I think I may have posted this before but there are so many new listers that, even so, it's worth posting again.
Joan Eddis-Topolski
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
By the end of our stay in Palestine, when the troops were getting ready to leave for Italy, Jewish soldiers began disappearing from our units. It was a trying time for them. In Palestine there were Jewish paramilitary organizations like Hagana and the radical Stern Gang. They were the forerunners of the future Irgun Zvai Leumi (National Armed Forces), which later became the Israeli army. Our Jewish comrades kept vanishing one by one or in small groups. Some would take their weapons with them. Some would not. Some even took care to mail back the uniforms they wore when they left. They hid in kibbutzes and small Jewish towns. We bumped into them now and again. During the "Virile" war games, we met some in the fields working on the land and exchanged greetings. There was no ill feeling on either side.
The British Military Police, who had an excellent network of informers, offered to bring the deserters back. But Anders refused the offer. He understood the problem which faced Jewish soldiers--the problem of divided loyalty. And he saw that for most of them the fight for their homeland and the Jewish state was of prime importance. As Poles we had suffered through centuries of occupation and we could understand how they felt.
Anders personally gave permission to Corporal Begin for his discharge from the Polish Army so that he could stay in Palestine. It was the same Menachem Begin who was to become the Prime Minister of Israel and the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1978. In his autobiography, "White Nights", Begin does not mention Anders's beau geste.
Some Jewish soldiers stayed with our troops throughout the war. The number of Stars of David among the crosses in our Polish war cemeteries bear witness to their loyalty and sacrifice.
One thing that I found difficult to accept was the bad publicity at that time in the free world press about the "cruel" treatment of Jews in the Polish army. It was propaganda used to justify the mass desertion of Jews on the eve of our departure for the war front in Italy. I think the Zionists felt they had to justify the desertions, perhaps from fear that the British might seek out and arrest these Polish Jews and they wanted to forestall any such reprisals.
Of course there was always some anti-Semitism in Poland, as there was everywhere in Christendom in those days. And some of it showed up among our troops in the same way that there was animosity at times between English and Scottish troops. But General Anders didn't like it and was doing his best to eradicate it. He writes in his memoirs that when he spoke to Stalin about forming the Polish army in the USSR, he made a point of telling Stalin his army would accept anyone who was a Polish citizen, even if they were Ukrainian, Byelorussian or Jewish in background. And our army did indeed accept them, despite the threats of the Politburo who didn't believe they were really Polish and wanted to stop them from joining us. Until we left the USSR, most of our Jewish soldiers hid their religion for fear they would be declared ineligible to leave with us.





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I am pleased to attach a very moving poem written by our member Hania
Kaczanowska for Remembrance Day in memory of her father and all the Polish
soldiers in exile.

You can also download it from our website at


Regards
Stefan Wisniowski

Please welcome Cela Tluszcz to the group, our first member from Portsmouth
UK (as far as we know)!

Cela, if you can provide some additional details such as names and places of
birth or residence, it is possible that some of us will be able to help with
your quest.

Also, please do visit the Memorial Wall and inscribe your family members'
names there. See

Regards
Stefan Wisniowski

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My mothers family fled Stara Pawlowka to Rowno to escape the ukrainian
nationalists who were roaming the countryside and commiting atrocities on
poles during the war. After the annexation of former kresy lands to the
Ukraine,the family dispersed throughout Poland.

Hi Leszek:

Not all Poles in Germany during the war where as lucky as the
people who worked on that farm.

My Dad was a US soldier in the campaigns in France and Belgium in
WW2. He spoke of a case in where retreating Germans placed bobby
traps in a factory with female Polish workers inside. When the
Americans opened the factory the mines were set off causing
casualties among these unfortunate women. They told my dad in Polish
of their brutal treatment by the Nazis.

A few years ago I met a Pole in the US from Kresy who was deported to
Germany during the war as a forced laborer. He related an account of
a recent trip to Belgium and Poland to visit relatives. Since he had
a rented car I assumed that he would get on the autobahn and drive
from Belgium to Poland. He took a route through France, Italy,
Slovenia,Hungary and The Czech Republic instead. When I asked why he
avoided Germany he remarked " I never want to be in that country
again"

Czesc,
Barney Dombrowski











--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Lech Lesiak <lech_lesiak@y...>
wrote:

--- Margaret Dubicki <yenisei44@y...> wrote:
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Start Quote
My Polish friend, Wladyslaw Labedzki always tell this
tale: He had been taken from Poland and forced
laboured on a farm in Germany where, actually, he had
not a bad time (one of the fortunate ones)
End quote

My father was sent to work on German farms as well.
One of the farmers was brutal, the other treated his
forced labourers just like the rest of his family.

A local Nazi official showed up during dinner at the
second farm, and told the farmer his Polish workers
shouldn't be eating withe family.

The farmer told him to bugger off, that the Poles
worked with the family, so they ate with the family.

Czesc,
Leszek

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Reply to: ?Stephen Wierzbicki

1. MOD is only fee-free for the soldier or their spouse
2. MOD is not yet e-mail - friendly... [Linder can tell us more]
3. You can contact the Hoover Institute by e-mail; ?officially it is archives@... , but I will also try to get you into contact with our member there, Irena Czernichowska, who may be able to help you directly....
4. ?I can't help on Poles who were arrested and imprisoned by the German forces in Warsaw [can anybody else?]

Stefan Wisniowski

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