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Welcome to Adrian Nessel
Stefan Wisniowski
Welcome to Adrian Nessel. I hope that through this group, she will find a
number of ways to get the information she seeks. -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator ------------------------------------------------- From: "Adrian Nessel" <adriannessel@...> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:27:49 +0100 Here are my reasons for joining the group. My father now deceased, Jozef Nessel originated from Lwow and was involved in the September Uprising of 1939. He was later imprisoned in the Siberian prison camp system (no idea where) until 1942 when he joined with General Anders and made his way to Palestine and the 8th Army. He later arrived in the UK in 1943 and transferred to the Parachute Brigade in Scotland. After the War he never returned home, but settled in Scotland where he married and lived a full life. I have been carrying out family history research for some 12 months now in an attempt to learn more and to trace any remaining family in Poland. As a result of this research I made contact with the Polish Records Section of the Home Office in London seeking information. Among other things I was told that in Poland my father was married to an Ewa Chudziak and that they had a son Stanislaw who was born in 1940. This has been a shock for us all including my own mother so I have been concentrating a great deal of time in developing this part of my research to confirm their existence and to establish if they are still alive or not. To date I have had no positive results which suggest they are still alive. For me it's important that I locate records or information about Siberia and the camps in the hope of establishing the truth. Hopefully this site will assist me in my quest for the truth. Adrian Nessel Scotland |
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Welcome Jerry Schneider
Stefan Wisniowski
I would like to welcome Jerry Schneider to the group. Here is Jerry's story,
I hope that we can help him with his research. -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator ---------- From: Jerry Schneider <jschneider@...> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:22:26 -0400 "At present, I am researching the families of my paternal grandfather who resided primarily in Zolkiewka and Izbica, outside of Lublin. This includes the Shnaiderman and Roitman family lines. Although my grandfather and grandmother emigrated to the U.S. in 1912/1914 respectively, most family members remained in Poland and Russia and presumably died in the holocaust. Family lore indicates that several family members were sent to Siberia (specifically Zlatoust) during the period 1940-1941. Was Zlatoust one of the cities where labor camps existed as identified by the Kresy-Siberia group? One such relative was my paternal great aunt, Esther Rivka Shnaiderman Graier, born in Izbica, moved to Warsaw with her husband Josef Graier in the late-1920s and then moved Eastward to Bialystok after the initial Nazi invasion in 1939. From there, both her, her husband and at least one son Moshe (born in Warsaw in 1932) were relocated to Zlatoust where Esther Rivka died. We don't know what happened to the others. Any information you can provide, suggestions as to where any records may exist, or any other light you can shed on this request will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. - Jerry" -- |
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Re: www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
Donald Dudley
It's exciting to hear about a documentary on the subject.? I
would love to know if one can purchase a copy of the videotape.
Don Dudley
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Re: www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
How about a link to my Kresy site,
content so far is good but as I've said before you need Meta tags etc I have some decent backgrounds if you want a sample let me know Paul At 17:54 09/26/2001 +1100, you wrote: Please check out this site and let me know what you think about:
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Odp: Polish graves in Iran to be restored
Wladyslaw Czapski
Wladyslaw Czapski - Wroclaw - Poland. www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rytm/main.htm
biorytm@... I received magazine {writing} from Polish Embassy in Teheran about my Mother Janina deceased Czapska in 1942. Magazine {writing} gave No of grave. Who ascertained death. Why died {dead} and when. Who accompanied on cemetery. What left from her fortune in ZSRR Embassy Poland in Teheran wrote that these given has from 1942 rouk. I think that Embassy has record {of} Polish c ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...> Do: "Kresy-Siberia Group" <Kresy-Siberia@...> Wyslano: 26 wrzesnia 2001 10:38 Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] Polish graves in Iran to be restored I have received this pertinent article off the web from Wladyslaw Czapski, and have attempted a translation of the salient facts. My Aunt died and was buried in Teheran on the day after her 18th birthday. It is possible that many of us have family members buried in these cemeteries. Wes Adamczyk has told me about an excursion being organised from London to Iran to attend the 50th anniversary ceremonies of the "Great Escape" next April. Current events make a trip to south-central Asia problematic, but I can pass on details to anybody interested. Here is the article (with gratitude to my Saturday Polish school language skills and apologies in advance for any flaws in the translation). TRANSLATION: Andrzej Przewoznik: Experts going to Iran next month. Polish Radio reports that Polish experts are going to Iran next month to agree plans with local authorities for remembrance ceremonies for the exiled Polish civilians and military personnel buried there. In 1942, the Poles left the then Soviet Union with General Anders' army and managed to reach Iran. Many died from exhaustion after their sojourn in the forced labour camps. Secretary of the "Council to Protect the Memory of Struggle and Suffering", Andrzej Przewoznik, said that state ceremonies commemorating the exiles will take place in Iran next year. He added that the Council decided to restore all the cemeteries in this country where Poles are buried. Andrzej Przewoznik said that scores of other cemeteries will be restored in other countries that the civilian population and the army of General Anders reached from the Soviet Union. Beyond Iran, restorations are underway in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and India as well as in Africa. [Saturday, 8 September 2001]. ORIGINAL: Andrzej Przewoznik: za miesiaoc eksperci jadao do Iranu Za miesiaoc do Iranu wyjadao polscy eksperci, aby uzgodnic z tamtejszymi w?adzami plan uroczystosci, ktre majao upamieotnic pochowanych tam polskich uchodzcw cywilnych i wojskowych -- poinformowa?o Polskie Radio. W 1942 roku wyszli oni z wczesnego Zwiaozku Radzieckiego i wraz z armiao genera?a Andersa dotarli do Iranu. Wielu zmar?o z powodu wycienczenia po pobycie w ?agrach. Sekretarz Rady Ochrony Pamieoci Walki i Meoczenstwa Andrzej Przewoznik powiedzia?, zTe uroczystosci panstwowe upamieotniajaoce uchodzcw odbeodao sieo w Iranie w przysz?ym roku. Doda?, zTe Rada zdecydowa?a o uporzaodkowaniu wszystkich cmentarzy w tym kraju, gdzie pochowani sao Polacy. Andrzej Przewoznik powiedzia?, zTe uporzaodkowanych zostanie tezT kilkadziesiaot innych cmentarzy na terenach rzTnych panstw, gdzie ze Zwiaozku Radzieckiego dotar?a ludnosc cywilna i armia genera?a Andersa. Oprcz Iranu, prace renowacyjne trwajao w Kazachstanie, Uzbekistanie, w Indiach oraz w Afryce. [ sobota, 8 wrzesnia 2001 ] -- Stefan Wisniowski Australia +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP + Research, Remembrance, Recognition +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Website: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Replies to this message will go directly to the full list. + Send e-mails to: Kresy-Siberia@... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + To Subscribe, send a blank email to: + Kresy-Siberia-subscribe@... AND + a message to Kresy-Siberia-owner@... + saying who you are and your interest in the group +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: + Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Polish graves in Iran to be restored
Stefan Wisniowski
I have received this pertinent article off the web from Wladyslaw Czapski,
and have attempted a translation of the salient facts. My Aunt died and was buried in Teheran on the day after her 18th birthday. It is possible that many of us have family members buried in these cemeteries. Wes Adamczyk has told me about an excursion being organised from London to Iran to attend the 50th anniversary ceremonies of the "Great Escape" next April. Current events make a trip to south-central Asia problematic, but I can pass on details to anybody interested. Here is the article (with gratitude to my Saturday Polish school language skills and apologies in advance for any flaws in the translation). TRANSLATION: Andrzej Przewoznik: Experts going to Iran next month. Polish Radio reports that Polish experts are going to Iran next month to agree plans with local authorities for remembrance ceremonies for the exiled Polish civilians and military personnel buried there. In 1942, the Poles left the then Soviet Union with General Anders' army and managed to reach Iran. Many died from exhaustion after their sojourn in the forced labour camps. Secretary of the "Council to Protect the Memory of Struggle and Suffering", Andrzej Przewoznik, said that state ceremonies commemorating the exiles will take place in Iran next year. He added that the Council decided to restore all the cemeteries in this country where Poles are buried. Andrzej Przewoznik said that scores of other cemeteries will be restored in other countries that the civilian population and the army of General Anders reached from the Soviet Union. Beyond Iran, restorations are underway in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and India as well as in Africa. [Saturday, 8 September 2001]. ORIGINAL: Andrzej Przewoz?nik: za miesia?c eksperci jada? do Iranu Za miesia?c do Iranu wyjada? polscy eksperci, aby uzgodnic? z tamtejszymi w?adzami plan uroczystos?ci, które maja? upamie?tnic? pochowanych tam polskich uchodz?ców cywilnych i wojskowych -- poinformowa?o Polskie Radio. W 1942 roku wyszli oni z ówczesnego Zwia?zku Radzieckiego i wraz z armia? genera?a Andersa dotarli do Iranu. Wielu zmar?o z powodu wycien?czenia po pobycie w ?agrach. Sekretarz Rady Ochrony Pamie?ci Walki i Me?czen?stwa Andrzej Przewoz?nik powiedzia?, z?e uroczystos?ci pan?stwowe upamie?tniaja?ce uchodz?ców odbe?da? sie? w Iranie w przysz?ym roku. Doda?, z?e Rada zdecydowa?a o uporza?dkowaniu wszystkich cmentarzy w tym kraju, gdzie pochowani sa? Polacy. Andrzej Przewoz?nik powiedzia?, z?e uporza?dkowanych zostanie tez? kilkadziesia?t innych cmentarzy na terenach róz?nych pan?stw, gdzie ze Zwia?zku Radzieckiego dotar?a ludnos?c? cywilna i armia genera?a Andersa. Oprócz Iranu, prace renowacyjne trwaja? w Kazachstanie, Uzbekistanie, w Indiach oraz w Afryce. [ sobota, 8 wrzes?nia 2001 ] -- Stefan Wisniowski Australia |
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www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
Stefan Wisniowski
Please check out this site and let me know what you think about:
- Content - Format - Any other ideas for material or links? Would any of you be interested in hosting a "Siberian" film evening showing the "A Forgotten Odyssey" film in your home towns? We did this last Friday in Sydney for the local Polonia and our English-speaking guests (the movie is in English) and it was a great success - very moving. We had the Polish Consul there and politicians from State and Federal levels, as well as actual survivors from Siberia, as special guests. The local Polish Scouts and the Australian Veterans Association (RSL) are interested in screenings for their groups. So quite a success as far as "getting the word out". -- Stefan Wisniowski Australia |
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Jean-Pierre Sangin
Stefan Wisniowski
Please welcome Jean-Pierre Sangin to the group.
His family history (from Wilno in the Kresy) is on the web at: Here is an excerpt from his webpage: My grand-father's name is Jan Songin. His parents are Josef Songin and Alexandra Dorniak. He was born in Tietiance (then Russia, and after Poland but now Lithuania). In 1930, my grand-father immigrated into France in order to marry Marie-Anne Sawosto my grand-mother. Her parents are Josef Sawosto and Pelagia Czyz. She gave him five sons and daughters, the first Maryan (my father Maurice), my uncles and aunts Edward, Jean-Claude, Geneviève and Monique. The day my grand-father married my grand-mother, the clerk made a mistake on the register and since then our surname is Sangin. Several millions Poles left their country because of war or economic reasons. Now many Songin are in USA, France, England, Australia, Germany... There was a Songin deported from Poland to Alma-Ata, capital of the Kazakhstan and a cousin who lives in Australia. One day, I should like to visit my relatives in Lithuania, in Poland, in USA... But before, I hope to make some contacts with them. Thanks, J-P. Regards, -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator |
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Stefan Wisniowski
Dear Tom,
Your interest is a bit off topic for the Kresy-Siberia group. However, I will send your note out to the group as a one-time request, and see if anybody has some suggestions, and ask them to come back directly to you. The best groups for these type of inquiries are PolandBorderSurnames-L@... and POLAND-ROOTS-L@..., which I have also taken the liberty of forwarding your request to in case some new people there can assist you. I hope that helps. Good luck, -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator From: Tclong24@... Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:05:04 EDT To: swisniowski@... Subject: (no subject) Stefan: I joined this list to see if I could learn anything about my ancestors. I have joined other lists but have had no success in finding any information or any one else trying to trace the name DESPERAK, who is my great-grandfather and his wife Anna. I don't know if he came from Poland because I have heard that he was from Bohemia and came across the border and met his wife. I don't know if I will find any information on this list, but I thought would be worth an attempt. Respectfully yours, Tom Long |
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Daily Digest
If any of you do not wish to receive e-mails from this group one
by one, you have the option of requesting the "Digest" format instead. This combines all the group's e-mails for the whole day into one you get sent at the end of each day. To change your settings to the Digest mode, just go to the group web-site and edit your options. (I think I have those instructions right - I am new at this, remember!) Regards, Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia Group moderator |
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Re: List membership
Not a bad idea, at least you'll get a idea of what they are abour and if
they have a genuine interest in that subject
and won't just become a lurket Paul At 07:58 09/24/2001 +1100, you wrote: Dear group members, I seek your advice.
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Henrietta Parenteau
Stefan Wisniowski
Welcome to Henrietta,
I would think that inquiries at the Archiwum Akt Dawnych in Warsaw may yield up birth records for the town of Podhajce (assuming that was in partitioned Poland). Henrietta, have you tried the archives? Have you tried the list at PolandBorderSurnames-L@...? Can anybody suggest any other avenues for her to explore? Stefan From: Henrietta Parenteau <henrietta.parenteau@...> Hi, I have been trying to locate my father's family for the past number of years but have failed. My grandfather Frank Kozlowski was born in Podhajce in about 1873 he lived there with his family until he left for Canada in 1899. He left behind brothers Stefan, Marcyn, Jozef and sisters Maria and Kasha. It is believed his father was Jozef and maybe the mother Paulina, she died in about 1893-94. When my grandfather passed away in 1941 all contact was lost with the family. My father who is now 85 and in poor health has always wanted to know where or what happened to the other part of his family. If possible to find the children or grandchildren of these people. Can you help me in any way. Yours truly, Henrietta Parenteau(Kozloski) |
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FW: Kresy-Siberia
Stefan Wisniowski
I would like to introduce Marek Duchnowski to the group. Please visit his
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site. I have already put a link to it on "www.AForgottenOdyssey.com". Perhaps you can put a link on your site to that one and to the mailing list, Marek. Regards, Stefan ---------- From: Marek Duchnowski <marek@...> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1904 02:56:35 +0100 To: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...> Subject: Re: Kresy-Siberia Dear Stefan Dziekuje bardzo za witanie. My background is that I am a second generation Pole brought up by Polish parents in Manchester,UK. My father was a young boy who went through the terrible ordeal of being removed forcibly from their home in Rowne in 1940. He will not talk about his experiences because it is too painful for him. His little sister Basia died on the trucks of starvation. My connection with all of this began last year at a meeting of the Association of the families of Borderland settlers annual meeting which my father and myself attended. What transpired at this meeting was that a book had been translated into English by an ex English headmaster entitled "Stalins Ethnic Cleansing" so that generations of Poles living abroad that could not speak English could still find out about what had happened. Because of this book I know what he went through and my children will also know. This is an extremely important book for all the Polish generations. Iwas so taken a back that I dedicated my time to develop the website www.stalinsethniccleansing.com to promote the book and hopefully build links with Poles like yourself all over the World. I would be grateful if you could make people aware of the site and please could you encourage anyone to forward their website details so we can create some cross links and hopefully increase the traffic. I am really looking forward to being part of the group and hopefully can contribute Czesc Marek Duchnowski From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...> |
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List membership
Stefan Wisniowski
Dear group members, I seek your advice.
As the list owner and moderator, I have adopted a policy of "approving" new members because of the sensitive nature of some of the dialogue and privacy concerns of some members of the group. However, I do not wish to discourage new members, as there are few of us and there is strength in numbers. As a new group, we are keen to grow and include as many people as possible with a genuine interest in this issue. So, do you think that I should ask new members to send me a brief note introducing themselves and outlining their interest in the Kresy-Siberia issue before they can join the group? As an option, if they you request I could keep their note private, but otherwise I would like to use it to introduce them the group. Please tell me what you think, but let's not crowd the list with responses - please send your advice directly to my e-mail box at SWisniowski@.... Thanks -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator |
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Re: In Today's Paper...
Dear Eve,
Thank you the report on the Pope's visit to Kazakhstan. There are many Poles there whom the Polish government is trying to repatriate. My mother sent money and supplies for Polish schools in Kazakhstan and received letters written in old-fashioned Polish intermingled with Russianisms and local languages. The date 1936 is probably not a typo. Many Poles found themselves trapped in the USSR even as Poland was reborn after WWI. From the chapter Poland, the Enemy Nation in "The Black Book of Communism": "By 1924 the repatration of Poles under the Treaty of Riga was coming to an end, although there were still between 1.1 and 1.2 million in the USSR. The vast majority of these lived in either Ukraine and Belorussia." p.364 "The Poles, regardless of whether they were Soviet citizens, suffered every aspect of Stalinist terror: the hunt for spies, dekulakization, anticlericalism, national and ethnic "cleansing," the Great Purge, the purges of border regions and of the Red Army itself, "pacification" operations to help the Polish communists into power, and all the forms that terror took, including forced labor, the execution of prisoners of war, and mass deportations of groups of people labeled as "socially dangerous elements." p364 "In Ukraine, Polish resistance [to collectivization] was fierce and had to be broken by force. According to figures at the time, the population of the regions inhabited by Poles fell by around 25% in 1933 alone." p365 "In the summer of 1937, the NKVD embarked on new repressions against national minorities, beginning with the Germans and moving on to the Poles." p366 "According to an NKVD report of 10 July 1938, the number of prisoners of Polish origin was 134,519, 53% of whom came from Ukraine or Belorussia. Between 40 and 50 percent (between 54,000 and 67,000) were shot. The survivors were sent to camps or deported to Kazakhstan. The Poles account for some 10% of the total number of victims of the Great Purge and for around 40% of the victims of purges against national minorities. These figures are, if anything understated, since thousands of Poles were deported from Ukraine and Belorussia for reasons unconnected with the "Polish Operation." p367 And Soviet deportations of Poles to Kazakhstan and the Gulag continued AFTER the end of World War Two. But that is another chapter. Chris Gladun, Toronto |
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In Today's Paper, 23 Sept.
Excerpts from: ?"Muslims Embrace Pope in Kazakstan" by
Victor L. Simpson, Associated Press Astana, Kazakstan - Protected by massive security, Pope John Paul II arrived yesterday in this mostly Muslim nation and was welcomed as a voice of reason in the tense climate in Central Asia following the terrorist attacks in the United States. ------------ Hours before John Paul arrived, an armored personnel carrier fitted with a small cannon and carrying snipers in black balaclava masks pulled up to a memorial he planned to visit--a sign of the "unprecedented" security measures Kazak officials promised to take in this sleepy Central Asian capital. ------------ The Pope's first stop on the four-day visit was a memorial to the victims of Soviet repression, where he laid a wreath and prayed for five minutes, leaning on his cane. The memorial honors millions of people who were exiled to the harsh Kazak steppes and imprisoned in Soviet-era labor camps. ?Hundreds of thousands perished, but many of those who have survived to this day--including Poles, Ukrainians and other Catholics--were expected in Astana to see the Pope. "To think that we should have lived to see this day!" said 75-year old Anna Bukharova, a Pole who was deported from Soviet Ukraine in 1936. ?"We await the Pope's blessing." --END-- I think the year 1936 must be a typo. Eve Jankowicz New Jersey, USA ? |
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Re: BBC program
Andy Kowaluk
Good point Bruce. Australia operates with PAL and is proud of the fact.
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