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Re: camps in siberia
Rena Verlander
Zbyszek, Thank you for your reply, I will have to locate a copy of the book and read through. I have only just found the info from rediscovering a brother recently. Rena
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Re: New member
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Frank,
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Thank you for the map showing the location of your village. I knew it was somewhere near there But I just wanted to find an old Polish map of that village. I have several old Polish pre WWII of Kresy. However, detailed WIG maps of old Polish Wolyn are hard to find. I live in Vancouver BC, Canada even though I was born in Poland after WWII. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message-----
From: Frank Pleszak [mailto:frank@...] Sent: 9 padziernika 2004 13:24 To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] New member Zbyszek, Thanks for your message. I live in Manchester england, where do you live. Norach is about 60km north of Vileyka on the shore of lake Naroch. I believe that when it was part of oland it was knonn as Kobylnik. There is also a small village called Naroch nearer to Vileyka. you can see a map if you go to &icon=x all the best Frank --- Zbigniew Bob Styrna <styrna@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Frank, Congratulations on your find and future searches. Welcome to our group. I found Vileyka in Belaus but not Narock . There is a town named Narach just north of Vileyka. I wish I had some old maps to share with you of that region but I only have a 1935 detailed map of an area that shows the farthest point east at Wilno. And both your towns are just eats of Wilno. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message----- From: Frank Pleszak [mailto:frank@...] Sent: 8 padziernika 2004 09:40 To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] New member Hi, my name is Frank Pleszak. After several years we have finally traced my (deceased) father's family in the Naroch region of Belarus. My father was taken away at in 1941 and had no contact with them until his death in 1994. I have now spent 2 very enjoyable holidays in Vileyka and Naroch. ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! Groups Links * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ===== Regards, Frank frank@... 07769-737809 ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: new member
joyce kelly
Dear Helena,
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Thank you for your message.? I do thank God for this site.? I sort of feel this strong drive I have to find some answers for Phillip Regula is probably God inspired.? He reprimands me for spending too much of my time looking for information since I am a full time college student and mother with two teenagers living at home.?
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One reason that I really think that God is helping me, is that two weeks ago at the university (which was only about one week after I started this venture) I had a substitute Professor in one of my history courses.? She came in and wrote her name (Krystna von Hennesberg) [my spelling may be a little off]?on the board, and explained that she had an unusual name because her father was Polish and he had been in the Polish Army in WW2.???He married an Italian lady while stationed in Italy--they resettled in London but then immigrated to the US.? I thought this was also amazing,?what were the chances me meeting another child of a WW2 Polish Army soldier who had to resettle in Britain?? I've known Phillip for almost a year, but his father didn't tell him much about any of it--so we are both?just now learning about all the events and tragedies that led up to resettlement in Britain.?
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Here in the US in basic classes we are taught nothing about the Polish Army or Polish Resettlement etc.? Until last month I did not even know that the Polish Resettlement Act of 1947 even existed.? I have learned so much in the last few weeks.? We were always taught that Stalin was brutal and had millions killed--but we aren't taught that he had a vendetta of sorts against the Poles.?
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I am very gratefull for this group.? I think it give me a lot of understanding of events I am now just finding out about.?
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Sincerely,
Joyce Kelly
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Sincerely,
Joyce Kelly
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Re: polish citizenship
The Consulate in London used to deal with these thiongs so that is probably a good place to start. I think that one can have dual nationality etc
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Re: polish citizenship
Stefan/Group:
Here is something you wrote in 2002 on the same subject... "Barbara ....Regarding Polish citizenship, the key date is 1951. Anybody who took on a different citizenship before that year, lost their Polish citizenship automatically under the Polish Citizenship Law of 1920. Anybody who was still a Polish citizen at that date or after, can not actually stop being a Polish citizen, unless by agreement with the Polish government. A child who has at least one parent who is a Polish citizen is also considered a Polish citizen (though they need to apply for documentation, the citizenship already exists). So it turns out that most of the generation of Sybiracy (deportees) and their children, and their children's children, are all Polish citizens as well as dual citizens of the USA, Canada , UK etc. Yes, according to Polish law, your grandmother was still one in 1957, and you are one today! Probably most people in this position, however, do not hold current Polish passports (but they could get them if they wanted them!). -- Stefan Michael Kulik Walsall England -- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@p...> wrote: Gracethat if your parents were citizens you automatically are. You just need to get some kind of proof of their citizenship (e.g., birth certificates). This passes down the generations. The tricky thing is according to the law, you ALREADY ARE a citizen. You just need to get proof of it.
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Re: camps in siberia
Stefan Wisniowski
Donna
It¡¯s on our member website now. ? File: Corrective Labor Camps.doc ? Description: List posted by Linder Ladbrooke (for research purposes of Kresy-Siberia members only) You can access this file at the URL: -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia From: "Archie Speers" Hi Linder I would love to have a copy of the camp names. ?My stepfather was in a labour camp and I have not located it. ?I have been following the conversation on the Kresy-Siberia site and hope to get back on it once we get my mother-in-law, who suffered a stroke, settled. Thank you for all your work. Best wishes, Donna adspeers@... |
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Re: polish citizenship
Stefan Wisniowski
Grace
Never completed the process, but Polish law last time I checked is that if your parents were citizens you automatically are. You just need to get some kind of proof of their citizenship (e.g., birth certificates). ?This passes down the generations. The tricky thing is according to the law, you ALREADY ARE a citizen. You just need to get proof of it. Hope this helps -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia |
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Re: camps in siberia
Archie Speers
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Linder
I would love to have a copy of the camp
names.? My stepfather was in a labour camp and I have not located it.?
I have been following the conversation on the Kresy-Siberia site and hope to get
back on it once we get my mother-in-law, who suffered a stroke,
settled.?Thank you for all your work. Best wishes, Donna
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Tadeusz Wilczewski
Dear Group:
Thank you for your guidance and advice for searching for my history. Since joining in 2002 I have traveled to Valivade to see my birthplace and I have discovered through the book "Poles in India" and through the DOD that my father was Captain Tadeusz Wilczewski. I have also discovered that I have a sister in Poland that I did not know existed. We were both separated from him all of our lives and are trying to reconstruct his life and travels. We have found out that he was demobilized in Scotland in 1949 and that he died and is burried in Trowbridge in 1969. Did anyone know him or have any information about him? I was born in Valivade on August 2, 1944 and I have a picture at my christening with my godparents Major Rodney Harding Pani Romanowska and her daughter. Does anyone know of them? Thanks again for your help, any clues are greatly appreciated. Happy Canadian Thanksgiving. Chris Gorski |
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Memory jogger
chris gmitrowicz
Dear Listers,
??????????????? my 84 year old father is trying his best to fight a fading memory to tell me something of his family. Yesterday he couldn't remember the name of a village his cousins husband came from, he could however?tell me that it was about 3 miles outside Wlodzimierz Wolinski and it had a brick works there with a big chimney the cousin lived close to this works. Any body recognise this place?
While?I am at it my father is also trying to find out what happened to his cousins Sofia and Stanislaw Rok?(the o in Rok has a dash?' above it). He last heard of them in 1941 in? Wlodzimierz Wolinski. Does anybody know of anybody with this surname?
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Thankyou for any help you may be able to give,
Chris.
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polish citizenship
grace
Hello,
It's been some time since I have posted here, but I was wondering if anyone out there would have information on how to go about, or if I would be eligible for, a Polish passport. I have tried contacting the various embassies (in Australia and in London) but haven't been too successful in finding the sort of info I need - e.g. my father and grandfather were Polish but would the fact that they became Australian and UK citizens respectively cancel my eligibility for Polish citizenship; what sort of documentation do I need to apply (I have birth certificates, high school diplomas, military ID cards and their Oz and UK naturalization certificates (1955 and 1957; and, if I was eligible what is the best way to go about it (visit Poland and apply from there or apply from my country of residence). Also, if I have Polsih citizenship does that automatically cancel any other citizenship I may have? I know this is a matter for the embassies to deal with but it is extremely frustrating trying to get the right info from them. I am thus hoping that someone in this group may have done something similar and would be willing to share with me their experiences or at least point me in the right direction as to how best to go about the whole process. Thank you Grace Pundyk |
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Re: 'Desertions' in Palestine
If we wish to be even handed regarding these desertions from the
Polish/British Army in Palestine, lets not forget that it was not only soldiers of Jewish origin that deserted - just as some Poles of Roman Catholic origin along with some English soldiers of Church of England faith also went AWOL. Some soldiers of all faiths, of all nations choose to desert during war and conflict, for whatever reason - fact. Michael Kulik England. --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., -- John Ferenc <jtf@e...> wrote: leaves without being relieved of ones duties, you have deserted. end quote<lech_lesiak@y...> wrote: Hardly a case of 'desertion is desertion'. As in most humanaffairs the matter is more shaded than many might like. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! |
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Re: udostovyerenye??
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAnne,
This was a certifficate issued to those(mainly of
military age) who applied to NKWD -most civilian families or orphans did not
apply- prior to leaving posiolek after the mnesty was announced. It
stated
"Name of a person,date and place of birth,place of
issue, date of issue (late Sept.1941);by the authority of the president of the
highest soviet of CCCP (amnistirowan) amnested that as polski (Grarzdanin)
citizen you have the right of freedom of living in the territory of CCCP except
in the zones of kategory 1and 2.(military or secret). Named citizen is allowed
to travel to a collection point at Buzuluk, Czkalowskoi oblasti. This certficate
is valid for a period of 3months from the issue date and to the holder only and
forms as a pasport.Issue by -name of district-NKWD-CCCP"
We tarvelled as a family way past the issue date
and as we lost my father in transit to whom the cert was issued no one ever
question us.We did not go to Buzuluk because it was dangerous -being not far
from Moscow- and there were air raids in the west. Not only that most of the
trains were designated for use by the military and the hospital trains
(generally passanger trains) were carrying injured eastwards. Our travel was in
the goods wagons -not unlike the ones we travelled to Siberia-no heat or
conveniences; spending days or weeks in the sidings or marshalling yards. We
could buy kipiatok and fruit coloured sok.Occasionally soup or bread.Travel took
over 3 months -arr. 9th March 1942.
We headed to the Afganistan border collection point
at Dzal-al-Abad. Registered with the Polish point. Some joining Anders army or
Junaki. The families were put back into kolchoz and eventually all to
Krasnwodzsk and Iran.
To see a copy of the document 'udostoverenie' you
can glance on page26 of "Konrad's War And Peace" by Konrad Hykiel (His wife
Julie). This is well documented book by a Polish Officer who had great
connection with Polish and American authorities? post war.
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antoni530
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Re: new member
Stefan Wisniowski
Thanks Hela
Like all families some of us in the Kresy-Siberia Group may bicker from time to time but we are all bound by a common interest and good will. -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia From: "Helena Danielczuk" ... Never lose hope follow your instincts and thank God for this wonderful functional Global family which is Kresy-Siberia with Stefan at its helm. Bye 4 now Hela. |
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Re: new member
Yes it is amazing , but true!
This is aplace for jigsaws to be completed and orinary people's extraordinary lives to be honoured. I have found, met, travelled to Europe including Poland and now keep in touch with a cousin in Australia whom I did not know existed. It was thanks to Audrey in Australia and this site which enabled that to happen. The timimg was so perfect as only two weeks later the telephone number which was listed in my dear departed aunts name would no longer be answered as the family moved out. Never lose hope follow your instincts and thank God for this wonderful functional Global family which is Kresy-Siberia with Stefan at its helm. Bye 4 now Hela. From: joyce kelly <joyjoykelly@...>_________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons |
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Re: Thanksgiving in Canada
Amen to that
We all should be Thanking God for the bounties we have particularly our parents lives which have been hard but fruitful Bye 4 now Hela. From: Krystyna <thymetrax@...>_________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger |
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Re: udostovyerenye??
Stefan Wisniowski
This amnesty for Kazimierz Morawski and his daughter Barbara helps inform an earlier discussion whether the women and children were amnestied as well, not just the men of military age.
Can I ask that one of our Russian-reading members translate this document? Is it dated? We can then post the translation alongside Barbara¡¯s document! Thanks in advance -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia From: "Barbara Charuba" You can view a copy of my grandfather's "Udostovjerenje" paper (Amnesty paper) in my album in the members albums on the Forgotten odyssey Web site: |
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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship
Stefan Wisniowski
Romuald,
Thanks for this recount. I can see from the Soviet point of view how they could claim the legality of their actions. That they claimed something does not mean that it¡¯s true, does it? The Polish State remained a recognised legal entity in exile, as recognised by the world and practically by the USSR when it signed the Sikorski-Majski Agreement on 30 July 1941. As you may know, the ¡°plebiscite¡± was not a democratic process, as it was conducted under duress. There are thousands of depositions in the Hoover Institution about the plebiscite and elections held by the Soviets that testify to this. The Soviets were masters at running rigged ?¡°elections¡± throughout their history. Then again, this does seem to be a bit of a moot point, doesn¡¯t it? In world affairs it is the victors that write the history and make the laws. -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia From: "romed46" ...Sept. 17/39 ?3a.m.USSR Deputy Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Potemkin, advises Polish ?Ambassador Grzybowski that the Polish State ceased to exist and that the Red Army has received orders to cross the Polish frontier to protect the inhabitants.. ..Oct. 29-30/39 ?Soviet occupying ?power carries out a plebiscite in the occupied territory asking the population one question, do they want to join the Soviet Union, ?yes or no. .. ?Nov. 1 - 2 /39 ?The Soviet authorities announce the results of the plebiscite stating that ?99 % voted yes,and that the occupied territory is now part of the Soviet Union... It appears to me that the Russians, by carrying out the plebiscite on Oct. 29-30 , ?made their decree of ?Nov.29/39 regarding citizenship ? ±ô±ð²µ²¹±ô.¡± |
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