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Re: Polscy Chlopcy

 

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Hi Stefan
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I followed your instructions got a Yahoo Id got it verified with their ID and then tried to join the Kresy Group was told that I was already a member and when I tried to get web access I was told that I was not a member..........really confused as I am still not able to access the security protected zones!!!
Joasia

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Polscy Chlopcy

"Elizabeth Olsson" wrote:
[...]This is also a general REMINDER for ALL MEMBERS to fill in the Connections data base and to include a photo of yourselves in the members photos section. Considering we now are 372 members we are very poorly represented in both. So pull your socks up!
Of course you do have to be a member of Yahoo! to do this, so if you haven?t signed up ?. Stefan just recently included the instructions, maybe you could repeat them Stefan ?..

Here they are:

REGISTER YOUR "CONNECTIONS": ?members who are survivors or who have family that was killed, deported or repressed are invited to post their location details in the CONNECTIONS DATABASE on the website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/database ?The purpose is to enable connections between members with families who were in the same place at the same time. ?This requires registration with Yahoo as a member of the group.

POST YOUR FILES: ?members are invited to post any relevant files that they may have in the FILES section of the website http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/lst ??This requires registration with Yahoo as a member of the group.

CONTRIBUTE YOUR PHOTOS: ?members are invited to post a photo of themselves at http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/kresy-siberia/lst?.dir=/FACES-TO-NAMES ??This requires registration with Yahoo as a member of the group.

Members can also visit our gallery and post any photos they may have, or any images of maps, documents, or anything else relevant in our GALLERY at http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/ ??While anyone can visit the gallery, contributing photos requires a gallery login ID and password from the moderator (just ask for one at ?Kresy-Siberia-owner@...). ?Photos should be accompanied by a description (names, dates, events, locations) and by the source of the photo.

HONOR YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS: ?members are invited to submit names for the KRESY-SIBERIA MEMORIAL WALL of their family members and friends who went through the experience of repression, imprisonment, or deportation under the Soviets - including their time in USSR forced labour, Persia, the Middle East, Italy, and countries throughout the British Commonwealth. ?Please visit http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/memorial and follow the instructions for your submission.

GET A YAHOO GROUPS ID: ?to manage your membership options and get full access to the group website to post photos, files, participate in polls and access the connections database requires a Yahoo ID. ?To get one and to link it to your e-mail address, please follow this process:
1. ?Go to http://edit.yahoo.com/config/eval_register and REGISTER your personal Yahoo ID
2. ?Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia and SIGN IN to the group, selecting "remember my ID on this computer"
3. ?On the Kresy-Siberia home page, select Already a member? Find your membership
4. ?VERIFY your membership by entering your e-mail address. ?Yahoo will send a confirming e-mail to your mailbox
5. ?Go to your e-mails and open the message from Yahoo Member Services. ?Click on the confirmation link given in the e-mail.
6. ?This takes you to a www sign-in page. ?Enter your Yahoo password again.
7. ?Yahoo will check your e-mail for verified subscriptions. ?It should find Kresy-Siberia now. ?Click on "Edit this membership"
8. ?Your registration should now be complete, and you should be able to access all the security-protected areas of the Kresy-Siberia members page.


Regards,
Pozdrawiam,
Stefan Wisniowski, Sydney
Group Moderator

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Re: Polscy Chlopcy

Stefan Wisniowski
 

"Elizabeth Olsson" wrote:
[...]This is also a general REMINDER for ALL MEMBERS to fill in the Connections data base and to include a photo of yourselves in the members photos section. Considering we now are 372 members we are very poorly represented in both. So pull your socks up!
Of course you do have to be a member of Yahoo! to do this, so if you haven?t signed up ?. Stefan just recently included the instructions, maybe you could repeat them Stefan ?..

Here they are:

REGISTER YOUR "CONNECTIONS": ?members who are survivors or who have family that was killed, deported or repressed are invited to post their location details in the CONNECTIONS DATABASE on the website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/database ?The purpose is to enable connections between members with families who were in the same place at the same time. ?This requires registration with Yahoo as a member of the group.

POST YOUR FILES: ?members are invited to post any relevant files that they may have in the FILES section of the website http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/lst ??This requires registration with Yahoo as a member of the group.

CONTRIBUTE YOUR PHOTOS: ?members are invited to post a photo of themselves at http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/kresy-siberia/lst?.dir=/FACES-TO-NAMES ??This requires registration with Yahoo as a member of the group.

Members can also visit our gallery and post any photos they may have, or any images of maps, documents, or anything else relevant in our GALLERY at http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/ ??While anyone can visit the gallery, contributing photos requires a gallery login ID and password from the moderator (just ask for one at ?Kresy-Siberia-owner@...). ?Photos should be accompanied by a description (names, dates, events, locations) and by the source of the photo.

HONOR YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS: ?members are invited to submit names for the KRESY-SIBERIA MEMORIAL WALL of their family members and friends who went through the experience of repression, imprisonment, or deportation under the Soviets - including their time in USSR forced labour, Persia, the Middle East, Italy, and countries throughout the British Commonwealth. ?Please visit http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/memorial and follow the instructions for your submission.

GET A YAHOO GROUPS ID: ?to manage your membership options and get full access to the group website to post photos, files, participate in polls and access the connections database requires a Yahoo ID. ?To get one and to link it to your e-mail address, please follow this process:
1. ?Go to http://edit.yahoo.com/config/eval_register and REGISTER your personal Yahoo ID
2. ?Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia and SIGN IN to the group, selecting "remember my ID on this computer"
3. ?On the Kresy-Siberia home page, select Already a member? Find your membership
4. ?VERIFY your membership by entering your e-mail address. ?Yahoo will send a confirming e-mail to your mailbox
5. ?Go to your e-mails and open the message from Yahoo Member Services. ?Click on the confirmation link given in the e-mail.
6. ?This takes you to a www sign-in page. ?Enter your Yahoo password again.
7. ?Yahoo will check your e-mail for verified subscriptions. ?It should find Kresy-Siberia now. ?Click on "Edit this membership"
8. ?Your registration should now be complete, and you should be able to access all the security-protected areas of the Kresy-Siberia members page.


Regards,
Pozdrawiam,
Stefan Wisniowski, Sydney
Group Moderator

Cieszyn pre 1939

Tomasz Wi?niewski
 

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Cieszyn pre 1939
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I just added new photo album Cieszyn pre 1939.
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Look at
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More pre 1939 Photos of Poland

"Alfabet Polski" - Poland Photos & Maps pre-1945
Tomek Wisniewski
Bialystok Poland
www
Re: Hoover Institute Archives

Stefan Wisniowski
 

You can get copies of relevant papers now - if they are there - by contacting Irena Czernichowska

In future we hope to have the index of names on-line to save people the trouble of checking.

Stefan


From: "F. Gerry Cierpilowski"
I was very happy to hear that we will eventually have access to the
"Ankiety" or questionaires currently in the Hoover Institute archives of the
Anders Papers. ?Thank You for your work on this; it is most appreciated!
Re: Hoover Institute Archives

F. Gerry Cierpilowski
 

Dear Stefan,
I was very happy to hear that we will eventually have access to the
"Ankiety" or questionaires currently in the Hoover Institute archives of the
Anders Papers. Thank You for your work on this; it is most appreciated!

F. Gerry Cierpilowski
Polscy Chlopcy

Elizabeth Olsson
 

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Hi Ann

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Thank you for your fantastic poem ¨C I¡¯ve sent it to family and friends! ¨C as I¡¯m sure many other people have done.

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I don¡¯t seem to be able to find your introduction to the group (though I see that you¡¯ve filled in the Connections data base ¨C well done!).

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I¡¯m sure everyone is curious as to where and who are so I hope you¡¯ll tell us a bit about your background and your family¡¯s connection to Kresy-Siberia, etc etc.

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This is also a general REMINDER for ALL MEMBERS to fill in the Connections data base and to include a photo of yourselves in the members photos section. Considering we now are 372 members we are very poorly represented in both. So pull your socks up!

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Of course you do have to be a member of Yahoo! to do this, so if you haven¡¯t signed up ¡­. Stefan just recently included the instructions, maybe you could repeat them Stefan ¡­..

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Pozdrowienia

Elzunia

Sweden
Re: Podkamien near Brody, pre 1939 nowadays Ukraine

 

Hi Bert!

Did you have any luck with your list in Amsterdam? You gave me info about
Maria Fedzin b. 1906. I think that she died(Zmarla) in Nairobi. Does the
list by any chance give a date?

Regards, Ken.

-----Original Message-----
From: bert_bakker41 [mailto:bert_bakker41@...]
Sent: 24 November 2003 20:11
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Podkamien near Brody, pre 1939 nowadays
Ukraine


Dear Tomasz,

Thanks so much for the photographs of Podkam(i)en near Brody, in
present-day Ukraine.

My mother-in-law, maiden name Maria Dajczak, was born there in 1923.

My wife and I visited the place ten years ago.

Kind regards,

Bert Bakker
Re: History Channel

Dr. Herght
 

Kent: Some time ago I sent a copy of my book "Exiled to Siberia" (a
biography of a friend of mine deported as a child together with the detailed
history of the deportations) to the history chanel without a response. Since
then Jagna has developed her video and a friend of mine, Mark Wolski, a
video slide presentation on the subject. Mark has journalism and TV
experience. What we need is a personal contact with whom one could discuss
the subject and its possibilities. Any ideas?
Best regards, Klaus Hergt.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Christensen" <lkchris@...>
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:30 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] re: History Channel


re: Has anyone in the group tried to suggest to the History Channel
to do a program on Kresy_Siberia??? (Zyg)


To include perhaps tales of a US troopship filled with women and
children going to Los Angeles and perhaps some analysis why the USA
wouldn't take refugees but Mexico did.

Seems this list could come up with a script storyboard that would
prove quite interesting.

Kent Christensen
Albuquerque, NM, USA



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Re: Norman Davies

Dr. Herght
 

Jagna: We met in Detroit when you presented your video, and we exchanged one
of your copies for my book "Exiled to Siberia." I hope you enjoyed it. I
believe it is a valid addition to your video as it outlines the pertinent
history underlying the deportations besides the biography of my friend. You
may be interested to know that another of my friends, Mark Wolski, has
developed a very moving and very exact slide presentation on the subject of
the deportations. He and I gave a talk together last May. He is at present
in the UK and I hope you could perhaps link up.
Now to my request: In you message of 10/11 you spoke of a number of British
universities and historical societies and below you speak of some person in
France as well as about your contact with Norman Davies. Not only would I
like to, but also I believe it is in the spirit of our efforts, to send some
complimentary copies of my book to Norman Davies, the person in France, as
well as to a number of university contacts in the UK. Could you, please,
provide my with names and mailing addresses.
Here in the US a number of people mention the history chanel. Quite some
time ago I had sent a copy of my book to them, but if there would be a
personal contact it could be worthwhile, in particular in combination of
your video. Any ideas? Mark Wolski's presentation would be another source.
What do you think?
Best regards, Klaus Hergt.

----- Original Message -----
From: <jagna8@...>
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:02 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Norman Davies


Hi Stefan, George, Robert, and anyone involved in the memorial/museum
project.
I took courage in my hands and called Norman Davies - and he is
ON!!! Didn't get our mail, but I explained everything, and he is happy to
join forces. The only thing we must be careful of is not to make him work
for it - rather use his name, and then, when the time comes, use him for
speeches and publicity. He is very much an impractical academic and would
hate any idea of being involved in money raising, etc.
Please, send him another e-mail, maybe preceeding it with smg like: we are
so excited, having heard from Jagna, etc,etc...
And here is another thing, which I find difficult to keep to myself. My
friend asked me for a French version of the Odyssey, for a Paris publisher
for whom she is working. He is very famous, very well connected, very rich -
and at the age of 60 +
is looking for a worthy cause to support. And, believe it or not, his idee
fix is... the first in the Western world museum to the victims of Soviet
oppression!!! When he heard from Ania of our story, he asked for the film
(wanted it NOW) and a meeting over X-mas holidays, so that we can start
plotting - he obviously needs more knowledge on the subject, his approach is
mainly emotional - so the Polish story can be a sort of 'introduction' (his
other link with Poland is his adopted children). Best of all, Norman Davies
agreed to be the patron of the museum as well! At a discussion with
politicians at the Im.War Museum, at the Odyssey premiere, he told a story
of his failed attempt to attract attention of his fellow academics to the
Soviet attrocities. All his efforts were in vain - almost no one came to a
meeting with a few Russian dissidents, former inmates of the Gulag. So, he
too has a 'bee in his bonet' on this subject - but being almost the only
British historian who had enough integrity to point out the injustice of
closing the eyes to the Soviet crimes, he is quite disliked amongst the
British academia - so I am a bit sceptical about George's optimism as to the
'power' of his name. But let's try.
On second thoughts, as he is so old fashioned, maybe it is better to write
him a letter?
Good luck,
Jagna


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"Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish
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deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."
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Discussion site :
Gallery (photos, documents) :
Film and info :
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Re: Podkamien near Brody, pre 1939 nowadays Ukraine

bert_bakker41
 

Dear Tomasz,

Thanks so much for the photographs of Podkam(i)en near Brody, in
present-day Ukraine.

My mother-in-law, maiden name Maria Dajczak, was born there in 1923.

My wife and I visited the place ten years ago.

Kind regards,

Bert Bakker



--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Tomasz Wi?niewski
<tomy@l...>
wrote:
Podkamien near Brody, pre 1939 nowadays Ukraine

Hi
I just added new album Podkamien.
Look at

set_albumName=album07&page=8


More pre 1939 photos of Poland Ukraine Belarus Lithuania and Russia
here
www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/albums.php
"Alfabet Polski" - Poland Photos & Maps pre-1945

Tomek Wisniewski
Bialystok Poland
More info from Bill Kordas

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Please see below some more information from Bill (Karol) Kordas, who
recently joined the group. Are there any links with other members?

Stefan Wisniowski

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From: Bill Kordas <wkordas1@...>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:15:47 -0800 (PST)
To: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Subject: WISNIOWSKI-23NOV03-CORRECTED VERSION:KORDAS/HALUSZCZYNCE

My great-greatgrandfather [m¨®j prapradziadek], Jakub
KORDAS (1824-1898), was the "wujt" of the village of
Haluszczynce, pow. Skalat, woj. Tarnopol,
Austro-Hungarian Crownland of East Galicia. Today
this is the village of Galushchintsy, located at
49.32'N, 25.54'E, in Ternopil Oblast in western
Ukraine. He married 184? Tekla CHRUSZCZ(18??-1911?)
and they had at least eight children, including a son,
Franciszek KORDAS(1849-1924)[m¨®j pradziadek] who
married Anastazja HNATYSZYN(1859?-1931)[m¨®ja
prababka]. They in turn had at least seven children,
including, Stanislaw KORDAS (1889-1975)[m¨®j dziadek]
who emigrated in 1912 fom Haluszczynce via Ellis
Island, NYC, and Greenwich, CT, to Taunton, MA. In
1916 he married in Port Chester, NY, Joanna PATRON
(1893-1965). The daughter of Karol PATRON (1860-19??)
and Magdalena SZOBER (1867-19??), she had likewise,
but separately, emigrated in 1912 from her birthplace
of Haluszczynce, via Ellis Island, first to Greenwich,
CT, then to Port Chester, NY, and finally to Taunton,
MA. There they had three children: Aniela/Angeline
KORDAS(1917-2003) who married Robert PAULHUS
(1917-2001); Wladyslaw/William R.KORDAS(1919-1992) who
married in 1944 Elizabeth FROST(1920-); and
Stefania/Estelle KORDAS(1922-1988) who married Stephen
BEAULIEU (1917-1986). I was born in Taunton, MA, in
1948 and now live in Goffstown, New Hampshire, New
England, USA.

My paternal grandfather's six siblings were:
-Pawel (1875-193?)
m.1902:GARBICZ,Maria (1887-192?)
-Jan (1877-1942)
m.1904:BYCH,Maria (1888-1969)
-Katarzyna(1880-1973)
m.19??:HNATYSZYN, ? (18??-19??)
-Jakub (1886-1981)
m.1913:ZAREMBA,Katarzyna(1892-1949)
-Karolina (1892-197?)
m.1912:TRACZ,Andrzej (1885-19??)
-Hania (1902-1955)
m.19??:DIDUCH,Grzegorz (1895-1976).

A large number of my paternal grandparents' family
members were displaced and/or deported during World
War II, including to Siberia. Among these were my
great-uncle, Jan KORDAS (1877-1942), who died there.
Other members of my grandparents' extended families
who did not die in Siberia finally resettled in
Poland, Canada, USA and elsewhere.
Re: ZGram - 11/20/2003 - "Free Ernst Zundel Rally on Sunday"

Lech Lesiak
 

--- Lloydeen Glowacki <lmglow@...> wrote:

Thank you Leszek,

Wonder why he doesn't just go back to Germany? Sounds
like he'd be a lot
happier there.


I doubt he would be happier there. German legislation
on matters such as Zundel likes to propound are much
more severe than what Canada has.

Not that I agree with the Canadian legislation. I
think it is selectively applied, and is an unneessary
curtailment of freedom of expression.
I don't believe people should be put in jail for
stupid statements unless it can be reasonably shown
that those utterings are likely to incite criminal
behaviour.

Czesc,
Leszek


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Re: Digest Number 783

F. Gerry Cierpilowski
 

Dear Kresy-Siberia Members,
My husband posted 50 photographs in the Cierpilowski album under
Kresy-Siberia Members' Albums. The pictures were taken by a number of
different individuals in Karachi during the Christmases of 1943 and 1944,
and they actually come from the album of a nurse now in her mid 90's by the
name of Florence Polce. She was stationed at a rehabilitation hospital near
Karachi. During the Christmas season the nurses made Christmas stockings
for the Polish refugee children in the camp in Karachi and filled them with
whatever goodies they could scrounge. I will be revising the description
which is now posted with the album to include a little more information.
We are happy to be a part of this noble endeavor of research,
remembrance, and recognition of those who suffered and lost so much.

Sincerely,
F. Gerry Cierpilowski
Re: Kresy compensation for Lands Lost

 

The last time I enquired about this (probably 4 or 5 years ago), I
was advised by the Polish Embassy / Consulate in London that
compensation would be paid only to those citizens within the present
day borders of Poland - i.e. if you are abroad then you don't get a
bean.


Michael Kulik,
Walsall,
England

--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "zyggy_2002" <martynow@a...>
wrote:
I came across this link to Pravda, also about compensation. Has
anyone looked into this any further ??


Zyg
Re: Searching - Jaworski and Kosy(?)

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Ken
The Hoover Institute does have a weblink, but it only lists general contents of boxes not specific names (see info at http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/mainref.html#r3)

What I do have is access to a prototype database, currently "under construction", of Release Certificates and "Ankiety" (questionnaires) archived in the Hoover Institute. ?I hope that we will be able to make it available to the group in due course as a research aid.

Regards
Stefan Wisniowski


From: "Ken Fedzin"
Stefan, how do you get such fast access to the Hoover Institue records? Is there a web link to their listings?
 Thanks again, Ken.
Welcome Michael Monastyrskyj

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Please welcome Michael Monastyrskyj to the group.

Michael can you tell us more about this history, and the name of your
family's village?

Stefan Wisniowski
(formerly from Toronto)

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From: "Michael Monastyrskyj" <monastyrskyj@...>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:11:34 -0500
To: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...>
Subject: Re: Kresy-Siberia

Hello.

My name is Michael Monastyrskyj. I live in Toronto, Canada. I'm interested
in the deportations because my father was born in eastern Galicia not far
from Lviv/Lwow. The Soviet authorities massacred some political prisoners
not far from my father's home village before they retreated in 1941.

Michael Monastyrskyj
Toronto
Welcome Bronislaw Machalski

Stefan Wisniowski
 

Please welcome Bronislaw Machalski to the group.

Bronek we look forward to hearing more about your family and your
experiences during and after the war.

Pozdrawiam,
Stefan Wisniowski

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From: bronislaw machalski <machalski41@...>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:22:37 -0800 (PST)
To: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Subject: Re: Kresy-Siberia

Big HELLO.....dear mr.wisniowski!

greetings from the island on Lummi Island in US.
I want to say you long time I don't speak about
Siberia and very diffucult expression.

My mother was deported on 9 between 10 feburary 1940
from our home in KOSCIUSZKOWKA near 3 mile in
Zaleszczyki called Galicja.

I was born in Siberian concention camp in the area
between Tayshet and the Sayan Mountains.

Then now go to bed too late and i will be more tell.

Sience with love - BRONEK
Re: ZGram - 11/20/2003 - "Free Ernst Zundel Rally on Sunday"

Lloydeen Glowacki
 

on 11/22/03 3:32 PM, Lech Lesiak at lech_lesiak@... wrote:

--- Lloydeen Glowacki <lmglow@...> wrote:


I hate to be a spoiler, but I don't know anything
about Ernst Zundel, but as
I read their website it just made me wonder what their
connection is to our
group? Should we be rallying for them?


Ernst Zundel is a German national who has lived in
Canada for decades, has been denied Canadian
citizenship, and is deemed to be a security risk.

He is what is known as a 'Holocaust Denier'. He
believes that the extermination facilities at Oswiecim
never existed, that it's all a Jewish-Communist plot
to defame the German nation.

He lived in Kentucky for three or four years recently,
but got kicked out of the US and is back in Canada.

Czesc,
Leszek

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"Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens
deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."
*
Discussion site :
Gallery (photos, documents) :
Film and info :
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Thank you Leszek,

Wonder why he doesn't just go back to Germany? Sounds like he'd be a lot
happier there.

Terry Glowacki
California
Re: ZGram - 11/20/2003 - "Free Ernst Zundel Rally on Sunday"

Lech Lesiak
 

--- Lloydeen Glowacki <lmglow@...> wrote:


I hate to be a spoiler, but I don't know anything
about Ernst Zundel, but as
I read their website it just made me wonder what their
connection is to our
group? Should we be rallying for them?


Ernst Zundel is a German national who has lived in
Canada for decades, has been denied Canadian
citizenship, and is deemed to be a security risk.

He is what is known as a 'Holocaust Denier'. He
believes that the extermination facilities at Oswiecim
never existed, that it's all a Jewish-Communist plot
to defame the German nation.

He lived in Kentucky for three or four years recently,
but got kicked out of the US and is back in Canada.

Czesc,
Leszek

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Re: ZGram - 11/20/2003 - "Free Ernst Zundel Rally on Sunday"

Lloydeen Glowacki
 

on 11/22/03 9:08 AM, tomasz iwanowski at iwanowski2@... wrote:









ZGram - Where Truth is Destiny: Now more than ever!

November 20, 2003

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

This morning, I finished reading the transcript of November 7, the
last day of the Zundel bail hearings, which includes Doug Christie's
summation. I haven't yet received a write-up on what happened
yesterday in the Ontario Superior Court, but i understand that it,
too, was masterfully argued.

Will all this make a difference? In a dictatorship it won't.

Consider this: in a normal bail hearing, where there has been a
legal arrest and an official charge for wrongdoing, the average bail
hearing lasts only an hour. In Ernst's case, it has now lasted more
than six month and has not yet been decided - and there IS NO charge
whatsoever!

It is now coming down to the wire!

I am thinking of ways to put this to the American people. I have a
few ideas. All will involve the fraudulent "six million" phrase.

For instance: Isn't there an election coming up? In a nationwide
campaign, with the help of the America's alternative media, the
voting public could be asked in poll after poll after poll:

"Is it okay with you if I, a naturalized citizen who has survived
four dictators, now trade your hard-won freedom of speech to the
Kanadian Kommissars? I have fought for the Zundelsite since 1996 -
most of the time, alone! They want my American website. I want my
husband back. If it's okay with you, why should I care? If it is
not okay with you, here is the dotted line. I need 6 million
signatures to send those neo-Kommies packing."

That is one way. I can think of a few others.

A Six Million Dimes Drive to launch a public action suit to get the
Holocaust out of our schools? I am a child psychologist - I am
willing to put myself right in the line of fire and ask: "Just what,
exactly, IS the Holocaust? History? Or Dogma? I say it's child
abuse! If it is history, it must be scrutinized, like any other
claim in history. If it is dogma, it has no place in public schools.
If it is child abuse, what parent would allow it? Let's put all the
facts on the table, once and for all!"

A chain made out of six million queston marks for photo ops such as a
Wrap-Around-the-White-House?

Six million postcards, perhaps, for Nervous Nellies to distribute on
the sly that ask the simple question: "Why?" (
)

We'll see.

Meanwhile, here's something where you can participate if you live in
or near Toronto:

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CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE EXPRESSION
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FREE ERNST ZUNDEL RALLY!

Nov 23, 2003
2 PM


Metro West Detention Center
111 Disco Rd
Toronto, Ontario, Canada.


Ernst Zundel is a political prisoner being persecuted and prosecuted for no
crime other than expressing his views on the Second World War. At the
behest of the powerful and vindictive Holocaust Lobby, Mr. Zundel is being
held, without bail, in solitary confinement at the Metro West Detention
Center. He is being treated worse than a common criminal, denied even the
basic amenities provided to other prisoners.

In surreptitious, Star Chamber hearings, held behind closed doors, the
Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), relying on the questionable
testimony of highly-politicized government agents, concluded that Mr.
Zundel - an avowed pacifist - is a "security threat
to Canada." Mr. Zundel was not allowed to attend, or present evidence in
his own defense at these secretive proceedings. He has been denied the
right to face his accusers and their accusations.

Mr. Zundel came to Canada in 1958 and by any standards, was the model
immigrant and citizen, first putting himself through university in Montreal
and later becoming Canada's premiere graphic artist. His artistry graced
the covers of Canada's top national magazine and his
paintings - which invariably reflect his pacifist, nonviolent philosophy -
adorn the walls of some of the finest homes in the country. In his
profession, he provided meaningful employment to countless Canadians, both
young and not-so-young. Literally thousands of people - of every
race, color and creed - are proud to call Ernst Zundel their dear friend.

Ernst Zundel has never been convicted of any crime in Canada. His only
"crime" is a passionate defense of freedom of speech - the right to defend
his own German people against the libelous accusations of a very vocal and
powerful lobby. For his noble efforts, he has been beaten, bombed,
slandered and even thrown in jail by a shameful system, all too willing to
do the bidding of these special interest groups.

For over ten years, Ernst Zundel defended the rights of Canadians to
freedom of speech, even taking the battle to the Supreme Court of Canada,
where he ultimately won a victory for all Canadians in 1992, with the
abolition of the archaic, "False News" law.

Now Ernst Zundel needs YOUR help. Show the world that his fight for the
right of free expression was not in vain. Join freedom-loving people in
defense of our rapidly-eroding rights.

First they came for Ernst Zundel and I did not speak out because I was not
German.

Then they came for . . .



WHEN: SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 23, 2003, 2 pm.

WHERE: 111 Disco Rd, Toronto Ontario.
Disco Rd and Carlingview Drive.

WHY: For Freedom and Justice.


Watch for frequent updates on the Zundelsite





DIRECTIONS TO THE RALLY:
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From Downtown Toronto:

Take GARDINER EXWY W to 427
Take the HWY-427 exit- exit number 139- toward HWY-401.
Merge onto PROVINCIAL ROUTE 427 N.
Take the FASKEN DRIVE exit.
Turn RIGHT onto FASKEN DR.
Turn LEFT onto CARLINGVIEW DR.
Turn RIGHT onto DISCO RD.



From The United States (Niagara Falls Border):

Take QEW Toronto.
Take the HWY-427 exit- exit number 139- toward HWY-401.
Merge onto PROVINCIAL ROUTE 427 N.
Take the FASKEN DRIVE exit.
Turn RIGHT onto FASKEN DR.
Turn LEFT onto CARLINGVIEW DR.
Turn RIGHT onto DISCO RD.



From London/Windsor (Detriot Border crossing):


Take HIGHWAY 401 East
Take the exit- exit number 348- toward RENFORTH DRIVE/ HWY-427/ AIRPORT.
Merge onto HIGHWAY 401 COLLECTORS E.
Take the RTE-427 N/ HWY-427 N exit on the left toward AIRPORT.
Merge onto PROVINCIAL ROUTE 427 N.
Take the FASKEN DRIVE exit.
Turn RIGHT onto FASKEN DR.
Turn LEFT onto CARLINGVIEW DR.
Turn RIGHT onto DISCO RD.



CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE EXPRESSION
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Hello Everyone,

I hate to be a spoiler, but I don't know anything about Ernst Zundel, but as
I read their website it just made me wonder what their connection is to our
group? Should we be rallying for them?

Terry Glowacki
California
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