Yes, there are business oriented shops with large bed photocopiers
(to make a less fragile copy for day to day reference) and large bed
scanners.

My family was in Masindi camp in Uganda (Anna and Zosia Sokolowska
and Marysia Skiba)

Henryk

--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "bert_bakker41"
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When I visited the old site of the Tengeru Polish refugee camp and
the cemetery recently, I met with two Polish people who stayed
behind in Tanzania, namely Sabina Szeliga and Edward Wojtowicz.
They are both around eighty years old.

Edward supervised the vegetable gardens that provided the camp

with

food, making it into a self-reliance operation.

Later he and Sabina ran a successful butchery which was

expropriated

by the central government in a wave of nationalisations in the

late

sixties. They have continued to trade from their private home in
nearby Arusha until today.

They were left in charge of the Polish Association which was

forced

to close down after nearly all Poles left Tanganyika. The Polish
Association owned a house not far from Tengeru, which was handed
over to the R.C. church some 35 years ago and is now occupied by
nuns.

Edward and Sabina also looked after the Polish cemetery at Tengeru
before the Polish embassy in Dar es Salaam took over.

They have quite a few photographs of life in the Tengeru camp,
which, hopefully one day, they will donate to the new museum at
Tengeru.

Sabina has a great knowledge of the Tengeru camp. I have recorded
her story both on audio and video.

Edward pointed out the existence of three interesting books on
Polish deportees, namely:

"Tutacze Dzieci - Exiled Children"
with a foreword by Cardinal Jozef Glemp
published by Fundacja Archiwum Fotograficzne Tulaczy, Warsawa in

1995

ISBN 83-77079-436-X

and-
"Journey Without A Ticket"
by Zdzislawa Krystyna Kawecka in 1998
published by Fine Print (Nottingham) Ltd
ISBN 0-9515883-0-3

and-
"To England thru Siberia"
Z Kresow Wschodnich Rzeczpospolitej
published by Ognisko Rodzin Osadnikow Kresowych in 1992
ISBN 1 872286 33 X

Last but not least:
Edward has lent me an official list published by the Polish Red
Cross in Kenya containing the names of all the Polish refugees who
were sent to Africa, i.e. Tanganyika(Tanzania)-Kenya-Uganda-

Northern

Rhodesia(Zambia)-Southern Rhodesia(Zimbabwe) and South Africa, as
well as Palestine, Mexico, and Panchgani, India.
The list contains some 14,300 names, most of them complete with

year

of birth and often with the full date.
The list is fragile but the names are perfectly legible.
Because of its size (50 x 31cm) I am unable to scan it.
Can anybody help?
In the meantime, I'll be most willing to check if any person is
mentioned in the list.

When I was in Tanzania, I was told that the Pope had a close
relative in one of the camps in Uganda and when he visited the
country made a special pilgrimage to a grave there.
Can anybody shed light on this?

When I had some large maps to scan I went to a shop that makes blueprints
for the building trade. They have machines that have large scanners and
were able to put the document directly onto a CD for me. I would ask them
to scan at a high resolution. It cost me about $15 Canadian for 3 maps.
I'm wondering how different this list is from the list in Polska Walczaca.
In particular would people who were not on the first list be on the second?
If you could, would you check for
Ludwika Kurys
Roza Kurys
and a birthdate for Petronela Piech
Barb K

When I visited the old site of the Tengeru Polish refugee camp and
the cemetery recently, I met with two Polish people who stayed
behind in Tanzania, namely Sabina Szeliga and Edward Wojtowicz.
They are both around eighty years old.

Edward supervised the vegetable gardens that provided the camp with
food, making it into a self-reliance operation.

Later he and Sabina ran a successful butchery which was expropriated
by the central government in a wave of nationalisations in the late
sixties. They have continued to trade from their private home in
nearby Arusha until today.

They were left in charge of the Polish Association which was forced
to close down after nearly all Poles left Tanganyika. The Polish
Association owned a house not far from Tengeru, which was handed
over to the R.C. church some 35 years ago and is now occupied by
nuns.

Edward and Sabina also looked after the Polish cemetery at Tengeru
before the Polish embassy in Dar es Salaam took over.

They have quite a few photographs of life in the Tengeru camp,
which, hopefully one day, they will donate to the new museum at
Tengeru.

Sabina has a great knowledge of the Tengeru camp. I have recorded
her story both on audio and video.

Edward pointed out the existence of three interesting books on
Polish deportees, namely:

"Tutacze Dzieci - Exiled Children"
with a foreword by Cardinal Jozef Glemp
published by Fundacja Archiwum Fotograficzne Tulaczy, Warsawa in 1995
ISBN 83-77079-436-X

and-
"Journey Without A Ticket"
by Zdzislawa Krystyna Kawecka in 1998
published by Fine Print (Nottingham) Ltd
ISBN 0-9515883-0-3

and-
"To England thru Siberia"
Z Kresow Wschodnich Rzeczpospolitej
published by Ognisko Rodzin Osadnikow Kresowych in 1992
ISBN 1 872286 33 X

Last but not least:
Edward has lent me an official list published by the Polish Red
Cross in Kenya containing the names of all the Polish refugees who
were sent to Africa, i.e. Tanganyika(Tanzania)-Kenya-Uganda-Northern
Rhodesia(Zambia)-Southern Rhodesia(Zimbabwe) and South Africa, as
well as Palestine, Mexico, and Panchgani, India.
The list contains some 14,300 names, most of them complete with year
of birth and often with the full date.
The list is fragile but the names are perfectly legible.
Because of its size (50 x 31cm) I am unable to scan it.
Can anybody help?
In the meantime, I'll be most willing to check if any person is
mentioned in the list.

When I was in Tanzania, I was told that the Pope had a close
relative in one of the camps in Uganda and when he visited the
country made a special pilgrimage to a grave there.
Can anybody shed light on this?

Early in October 2003, I visited the Tengeru cemetery in Tanzania.

Contrary to the past when the Polish embassy in Tanzania did not
want to get involved in the upkeep of the cemetery and maintenance
was left to a few private individuals, the embassy is now making
funds available for its upkeep.
And it shows.

A wall has been built around the cemetery and cattle no longer roam
freely among the graves.

There is a permanent watchman present by the name of Simon Josefu
Barabvungwa who takes care of the graves.

The cemetery is still in use.
We noticed a freshly dug grave belonging to a Mrs Anna Karaiskos, a
Polish lady who married a Greek.
Altogether 148 Polish persons lay burried at the Tengeru cemetery.
I will scan the list and put it on the internet.

Next to the cemetery, a museum has been built.
As yet it still stands empty.
I would request our moderator, Stefan Wisniowski, to contact Mr
Roman Strzemiecki, Polish ambassador in Dar es Salaam, to ask him
when the memorial hall will be put to use.
I have no doubt that if and when the museum will come into
operation, it would be the ideal depository for artifacts like the
Tengeru photo album.

On 18 August 2002, a guest book was opened at the cemetery. During a
period of one year, 305 visitors signed in, the majority students
from the nearby training college for community development, but also
a fair sprinkling of visitors from Poland.

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Hello Everyone,

For anyone who sends for information and finds that it's not someone in your
family after all, a nice way to offer it to others online is through the
programs called "Somebody's Links" and "Missing Links". You can find them at
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newsletter.

Terry Glowacki
California

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I'll try emailing a contact to see what I can find out.


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Bye 4 now Hela.

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:09:27 +0200

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I know that, but it's taking place in Australia.
Barbara

There are a few fans in New Zealand as well, Barbara.
John Roy-Wojciechowski
Honorary Consul,Republic of Poland
51 Granger Road, Howick, Auckland, New Zealand
Phone 649 5344670 Fax 649 5354068
e-mail polish@... website www.polishheritage.co.nz

I cannot access the site.
John Roy-Wojciechowski
Honorary Consul,Republic of Poland
51 Granger Road, Howick, Auckland, New Zealand
Phone 649 5344670 Fax 649 5354068
e-mail polish@... website www.polishheritage.co.nz

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I'll try emailing a contact to see what I can find out.


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Walsall, England.



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Hi everyone,
this is not connected directly with Siberia, but for those of you who are watching the
rugby world cup, the player on the French team who is marking tries and kicking
penalties -- Frederic Michalak is of Polish origin! he is from Toulouse, rugby country.

Barbara Davoust
Toulouse, France

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Michael Kulik,
Walsall, England.

Dont ever give up hope. I found my mum's sisters whom she had not seen or known about their whereabouts for 60 years. They wer reunited in 20002 and helped her celebrate her 50th wedding aniversay. Do you know if they settled in UK or elsewhere? I am in Bradford West Yorkshire. Do you have ant contact with Polish folk in Glasgow. My contact was through a courier/piolt on Orbis Coaches which go back and forth between UK and Poland on a daily basis. 01274 575618 07947360520 155 Carrbottom Rd BD5 9AH



Bye 4 now Hela.

From: Anna Coates <asmcoates2002@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] New on-line member
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:37:41 +0100 (BST)

Dear Sir,

I am a Polish Citizen through my mother, and I would like to trace her two brothers, whom she has not seen for almost 60 years, they were teenagers when the second world war started. My one uncle was in the British Army, I have confirmation of that, but no other details. Would you be able to help me trace them, my family details are as follows:

Grandfather : Wladyslaw Golinski 15/08/1898 - 23/10/1939
Grandmother : Katarzyna Golinska 15/01/1903 - 09/04/1983
Uncle : Josef Golinski 05/06/1924
Mother : Monika Golinska 30/10/1925
Uncle : Tadeusz Golinski 02/02/1928
Aunt : Zofia Golinska 18/03/1930 - Nov 1996

My grandmother, mother and aunt were in a refugee camp in Rusape Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe). My mother and aunt married two brothers. I have never met my uncles, my mother always spoke of them. Josef was in the British Army. Please can you help me trace them. I am living in Scotland, my address is Flat 23, 65 Cedar Street, Glasgow, G20 7NR. My contact telephone numbers are 0798 574 1181 (mobile) or 0141 353 0163. I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards and have a good weekend.

Anna Coates

ryszardgrzybowski <pgrzyb@...> wrote:
I would like to introduce myself to your group.
I am Ryszard Grzybowski and am very new to the web.
However I am the son of an osadnik and the chairman of OROK, Ognisko
Rodzin Osadnikow Kresowych, which in English is the Association of
Army and Civilian settlers of the Eastern Marches of Poland.
I would welcome any correspondence from our membership.

The next important date for our diary, is the unveiling and blessing
of a plaque, commemorating the lives of all osadniks, military and
civilian.
Date: 23.11.03
Time: noon, after mass

Location: St. Andrew Bobola's Church, Hammersmith London, UK


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Hello Agreed SI and other organisations like them are not paricularly welcoming of 'help' from 'outsiders'. They are still very much stuck in an understandable time warp and feel they know best how things ought to be done. They are again, understandably very suspicious of peoples motives and as for modern technology, well. It will be someone very talented, presuasive and dplomatic who will be able to break down the defences and gain acces in the fullest sense and truly enable the archives they posses to be fuly accessible and preserved.



Bye 4 now Hela.

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Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Welcome Joasia Kubicka
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:11:16 -0000

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Anna

Have you already tried the UK War Veterans Agency, who would likely be paying them a pension if they were still alive? ?See www.veteransagency.mod.uk

Stefan Wisniowski

Speaking of sharing the spotlight with others who have suffered
genocides, a very broad account of man's brutality against man can
be found at

Be aware that the photo documentation on the site is graphic and
gruesome.

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--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., jagna8@a... wrote:

Dear Group,
I?€?ve just returned from a fascinating trip to the Baltic

republics, the result of which

are a few new ideas that you might find interesting:
1.In Wilno, Riga and Tallin new Museums of the Occupation opened
recently. They are all very moving, but what is particularly

striking is that all

three give much more prominence to the horrors of the Soviet

occupation than the

German one (which, incidentally, is in accordance with the views

of many Poles from Eastern Poland who have experienced both!). The
deportations to Siberia of

the Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians are very well documented,

with many letters,

drawings, handcraft made of twigs, fishbones or dried bread,

remnants of ?€?fufajkas?€?

and ?€?valonkis?€?, etc being especially moving.
I found it all very exciting, and had to spend a lot of time

explaining to my English

friends the complicated and tragic past of that area of Europe

that is practically

unknown to them as Westerners. They were in a state of shock ?€"

even though

they have seen ?€?A Forgotten Odyssey?€?; I feel they suspected a

degree of Polish

tendency to ?€?wallow in the memories of their martyrdom?€? (this

is how a lot of British

people see us), but here three separate countries, and three

completely different

peoples were validating Polish experiences and bitterness over the

Soviet ordeal!

This gave me the idea that maybe we should join ranks with them,

and encourage