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Re: [Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Family Searches

 

Thank you Vincent for sharing this ,I've had no luck in 30 + yrs ?searching for my fathers family as he to was the only survivor of the Wysocki ?family that we know of and I do lose hope every now and again ,every-ancestry site I enter comes up ?with nothing and I've just submitted a new request with family tracing Thank you for a little more HOPE ?.





On Saturday, April 9, 2016, 2:35 pm, 'Vincent' geffroy@... [Kresy-Siberia] wrote:

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Dear Members
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This week has been a bit of a rollercoaster for my siblings and I. For years I have been trying to find information on my late father's family, more specifically my grandparents Tadeusz & Helena NIKIEL. Given the fact that my father was an only survivor from his family, I have tried in vain to find out to which Siberian camp my grandmother was deported?in 1939, ?where she died and on what date. In July last year I contacted the International Tracing Service in Germany to see if they could find any information on my grandparents. When I opened my Emails this week, after returning from holiday, there was a reply from the ITS. I was expecting the usual reply that they were unable to find any information, but was excited when I learned that they had found information regarding my grandmother. My excitement very quickly turned?to horror & pain. Far from being informed of a date & place of death, I was told that my grandmother had survived the war & in 1960 had made attempts to find my father & his younger brother, Tadeusz. She was residing in Prague at the time.?In 1960 we were living in England & had absolutely no idea that my father had any family that had survived the war, let alone a grandmother that was trying to find her sons!?It is wonderful to know that Helena NIKIEL did not perish in Siberia, but so very sad to think what could have been had she been reunited with my father and us. We would have had a grandmother & possibly extended family......who knows. The ITS is going to? investigate further to see if they can find more information concerning my grandmother & whether she was ever reunited with her youngest son, Tadeusz. If he survived the war, I may have relations still alive. Tragically it is too little too late for Helena!!!
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I am informing K-S members of my experiences this week in order?that it may bring?hope to others who for years or?maybe their whole life, like me, believed that they had no?family that survived the horrors of WWII. Never give up hope! Never give up the search! There are answers out there!?
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Regards
Karen Geffroy (née Nikiel)


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Family Searches

 

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Dear Members
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This week has been a bit of a rollercoaster for my siblings and I. For years I have been trying to find information on my late father's family, more specifically my grandparents Tadeusz & Helena NIKIEL. Given the fact that my father was an only survivor from his family, I have tried in vain to find out to which Siberian camp my grandmother was deported?in 1939, ?where she died and on what date. In July last year I contacted the International Tracing Service in Germany to see if they could find any information on my grandparents. When I opened my Emails this week, after returning from holiday, there was a reply from the ITS. I was expecting the usual reply that they were unable to find any information, but was excited when I learned that they had found information regarding my grandmother. My excitement very quickly turned?to horror & pain. Far from being informed of a date & place of death, I was told that my grandmother had survived the war & in 1960 had made attempts to find my father & his younger brother, Tadeusz. She was residing in Prague at the time.?In 1960 we were living in England & had absolutely no idea that my father had any family that had survived the war, let alone a grandmother that was trying to find her sons!?It is wonderful to know that Helena NIKIEL did not perish in Siberia, but so very sad to think what could have been had she been reunited with my father and us. We would have had a grandmother & possibly extended family......who knows. The ITS is going to? investigate further to see if they can find more information concerning my grandmother & whether she was ever reunited with her youngest son, Tadeusz. If he survived the war, I may have relations still alive. Tragically it is too little too late for Helena!!!
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I am informing K-S members of my experiences this week in order?that it may bring?hope to others who for years or?maybe their whole life, like me, believed that they had no?family that survived the horrors of WWII. Never give up hope! Never give up the search! There are answers out there!?
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Regards
Karen Geffroy (née Nikiel)


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Re: Statistics of Poles Deported to USSR

 

Actually no, I was talking about a report you posted in 2007. I attach it below. Any Ideas? Best regards, Mark.


To ALL

Report M.E.R.R.A. c/o British Embassy Tehran May 6, 1944
Classified Secret
Written By Colonel A Ross
Distributed to:

Polish Minister of State, Cairo
Polish Legation, Tehran
Polish Civil Delegation
Polish Red Cross Tehran
British Embassy Tehran

One section of this report that I have chosen to send today is on the
deportation and Statistics of Poles Deported to USSR

The report reads as follows "There is no information in the
possession of any other authority than the Soviet Government as to
the number of Poles deported in each flight but it is known that the
deportation of the 25th ? 30th June 1940 was the largest."

Dates of deportation:
a. 10th February 1940
b. 13th April 1940
c. 25th ?30th June 1940
d. June 1941

Statistics of Poles Deported to USSR
a. In Russia till 1942 evacuated to Persia ( military &
Civilians) 114,000
b. Assistance from Polish Embassy as of April 1943
271,000
c. Beyond Embassy's reach or help in Northern Regions
51,000
d. Conscripted in 1940 into the Red Army
100,000
e. Conscripted into labour battalions throughout USSR
75,000
f. Remaining in gulags & concentration camps not covered by
amnesty 125,000
g. Persihed during whole period of deportations
221,000
h. Escaped from German occupied territories to USSR
25,000
Total 982,000

There are therefore in the USSR at the present time the
following: 982,000
Less died since 1940 -221,000
Less evacuated from USSR -114,000
Total Polish population still in USSR 647,000

The 271,000 above that were receiving assistance from the Polish
Embassy were as follow;
Men Women Children Total
93,114 96,241 76146 266,501 Plus
additional 5,824 who we do not know their domicile.
272,325

The 266,501 is divided as follows:

Christian Poles Jewish Poles Other Nationalities
132,183 or 50% 104,602 or 40% 28,716 or 10%

Of the 114,00 that were evacuated the breakout is as follows:
1st Evacuation Pahlevi Civilians 12,408
Military 31,189
Total 43,597

2nd Evacuation Civilians 26,094
Military 43,746
Total 69,840

Meshed 2,694

Grand Total 116,131

Julek
Re: [Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Re: Statistics of Poles Deported to USSR

 

Are you talking about the 31 page report that I just posted in the Maria M Coyne album. If so what you saw was what I received from Maria. It only contained 2 pages.?
?I have no other information regarding that report. But I googled it and here is what came up.

About 399,000 results?(0.91 seconds)?

    On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:17 AM, mark_oyun@... [Kresy-Siberia] <Kresy-Siberia@...> wrote:
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    Hi Julek,


    I know this goes back to 2007, but can you remember where you got this report from? Is it quoted somewhere or perhaps you have a copy? Any ideas?


    Best regards, Mark Ostrowski
    Re: Statistics of Poles Deported to USSR

     

    Hi Julek,


    I know this goes back to 2007, but can you remember where you got this report from? Is it quoted somewhere or perhaps you have a copy? Any ideas?


    Best regards, Mark Ostrowski
    Re: [Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] easter / wielkanoc

     

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    Vladek, Ronny, thank you for your wishes and wishing everyone, Blessed Easter 2016,

    Lenarda, Sydney, Australia

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    From: Kresy-Siberia@... [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@...]
    Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 8:33 AM
    To: Vladek Juszkiewicz
    Subject: [Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] easter / wielkanoc

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    Dear Friends / Drodzy Przyjaciele,

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    Happy Easter.

    Radosnych Swiat Wielkanocnych.

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    The time of renewal is here.

    Nastal czas odnowy.

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    Peace & love,

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    Vladek & Ronny

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    easter / wielkanoc

     

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    Dear Friends / Drodzy Przyjaciele,

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    Happy Easter.

    Radosnych Swiat Wielkanocnych.

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    The time of renewal is here.

    Nastal czas odnowy.

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    Peace & love,

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    Vladek & Ronny

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    Re: Research---Starzak

     

    Dear Krys,

    My father was in Klyuchanka; part of the Perm network of camps. We are also seeking more information. Our search is active at the moment.

    Our family was also from Mosciska.

    Kindest,

    Peter
    Re: [Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Re: Eddie:- a needle in a haystack

     

    Eve-Marie,

    I don't know if it could be good idea, but you can try this one name also.
    I was thinking about very popular Polish family name - W?odarczyk, which could be change later by your father, but I've found only one Edward W?odarczyk in the list published on Kresy-Siberia portal http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942/polska-walczaca/english-poles-evacuated-from-russia-to-persia-in-1942/?lang=pl and there are at least two things that don't match - this Edward was born in 1934 so he wouldn't be a 'brother' for your father who was born in 1927 and, he was evacuated to Africa so he didn't die.

    Best Regards
    Pawel Kossowski



    W dniu .03.2016 o 23:28 stefan.wisniowski@... [Kresy-Siberia] pisze:



    Eva-Marie,

    No answers about "Eddie" but here is a clue:

    There appear to be no persons in Poland today with then surnames W?ódczyk, W?odczyk, Wódczyk, Wódczyk, Wodczyk, ?ódczyk or Lodczyk.?


    However, there are 28 people with ?odczyk (less than 1 in a million!) – 25 of them in?J?drzejów, woj.??wi?tokrzyskie?and 3 in Chorzów, woj. ?l?skie.


    Looking at?


    Next steps - you should e-mail or phone the mayor of J?drzejów! ?How is your Polish?



    Regards

    Stefan Wi?niowski

    Sydney







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    Chamot

     

    they're here


    they were stuck in Kazakhstan in 1944




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    Re: tracing Marcin Chamot / Chamut

     

    Eve-Mare:

    More on Nandya camp, Lensky rejon, Archangel oblast and the distance from Nandya-Urdoma to Vorkuta, on the main railroad line between Kotlas and Vorkuta.

    Regards,
    Stefan Wisniowski
    Sydney


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    In 1939, a step which was Arbatov arrived by barge in Vychegda Lensky district, where construction began ferrying Urdoma - Tuva.?The hands have built the camp barracks, but soon the whole stage was transferred to the Tyva station.?And in the camp Urdomsky point number 55 of the fifth department Sevzheldorlag called - Nyanda were imported stage of the Polish prisoners of war who were captured after the partition of Poland in 1939.?Due to a Polish citizen Zbigniew Nedzvedzkomu, we managed to get the memories of one of the inmates of this camp Vaclav Flisinskogo.?For example, 15 July 1940, he talked about life in the camp: "...after the adventures that we had about half of June in support of the "feeble "... many colleagues thrown into solitary confinement and for stubborn organized gang box.?I was also among the "feeble", such as myself, it was about a hundred people: the disabled or just older people.?When went to the doctor, he did not even want to hear: "We have to work" - said shortly".

    The author also describes the memories of a tragic incident that occurred in the construction of 26 October 1940, when the bridge under the wheels of a truck killed 15 Poles, are the names of the victims.?All of them were buried in the woods near the village of Nyanda.

    There were Poles and other camps.?Mieczyslaw Buyko teenager was convicted and sent to the North, was in camp on the shore of Protoka Vychegda.?"I particularly remember the very first winter - remember - it has stood fierce.?Seek people and hunger: fed badly, one of turnip gruel.?Mortuary was in his eyes, for several corpses per night dragged their barracks".

    Fate was cruel to the man and after the sentence was over for him.?I could not prove that he was a Pole, and, therefore, to return home to Poland.?The documents in the nationality column recorded - Belarusian.?And so it remained until the end of life in the village, which was once a prisoner.?While allowed to force courted place of burial ducts prisoners.

    There are numerous other evidence, in what inhumane conditions the prisoners lived and worked-Pechora railway builders.?"Poles perished in the camp a lot - says a resident of the village Urdoma MA?Kazakov - every day for 3-4 people were taken away in the grave".

    "Large area was - recalls resident of the village Nyanda, VK?Nesterovich - there were many prisoners.?Going on the road: here one brigade, after a distance of - two, three.?Who carries the sand in wheelbarrows who woods.?A gaunt, hungry were, and not just nearly died ... "

    ORIGINAL:
    "?Зима 1938-1939 годов была страшная, – вспоминал он, – и она оказалась роковой для многих. Были китайцы, трудолюбивые, как муравьи, не постоят, не отдохнут. И падали они, не будучи приспособлены к нашим морозам. А осенью 1939 года нас погрузили в вагончики и по построенному нами пути вывезли к Вездино. Но нас было уже значительно меньше. Если половина лагеря осталась в живых – и то хорошо?.?В 1939 году этап, в котором находился Арбатов, прибыл баржой по Вычегде в Ленский район, где началось строительство перегона Урдома – Тыва. Своими руками построили бараки лагеря, но уже вскоре весь этап был переброшен на станцию Тыва. А в урдомский лагерный пункт № 55 пятого отделения Севжелдорлага, проще называемый – Нянда, был пригнан этап польских военнопленных, которые оказались в плену после раздела в 1939 году Польши.

    Благодаря гражданину Польши Збигневу Недзведзкому, нам удалось получить воспоминания одного из узников этого лагеря Вацлава Флисинского. Так, например, 15 июля 1940 года он рассказывал о жизни в лагере: ?… после авантюры, которую мы устроили около половины июня в защиту ?слабосильных?, … многих коллег бросили в карцер, а для неподатливых организовали штрафную бригаду. Я также был среди ?слабосильных?, таких, как я, было около ста человек: инвалиды или просто люди старшего возраста. Когда пошли к врачу, он даже не захотел слушать: ?Надо работать?, – сказал коротко?.

    Автор воспоминаний также описывает трагический случай, произошедший на строительстве 26 октября 1940 года, когда на мосту под колесами железнодорожной платформы погибло 15 поляков, приведены имена? погибших. Все они были похоронены в лесу около поселка Нянда.

    Были поляки и в других лагерях. Мечислав Буйко еще подростком был осужден и выслан на Север, попал в лагерь Протока на берегу Вычегды. ?Особенно запомнилась самая первая зима, – вспоминал, – выдалась она лютой. Добивал людей и голод: кормили скверно, одной баландой из турнепса. Покойницкая была на глазах, по нескольку трупов за ночь вытаскивали их барака?.

    Судьба оказалась жестокой к этому человеку и после того, как окончился для него срок заключения. Не смог доказать, что он поляк, а значит, и вернуться домой в Польшу. В документах в графе национальность сделали запись – белорус. Так и остался до конца жизни в поселке, где когда-то был узником. Пока позволяли силы, ухаживал за местом захоронений узников Протоки.

    Сохранилось немало и других свидетельств того, в каких нечеловеческих условиях жили и работали заключенные-строители Печорской железной дороги. ?Поляков в лагере погибало много, – рассказывала жительница поселка Урдома М.А. Казакова, – каждый день по 3-4 человека увозили на могилки?.

    ??Большая зона была, – вспоминала жительница поселка Нянда В.К. Нестерович, – много заключенных было. Едешь по дороге: тут одна бригада, через некоторое расстояние – другая, третья. Кто на тачках песок возит, кто лес. А исхудалые, голодные были, как и не помирали только…???
    Re: tracing Marcin Chamot / Chamut

     

    Eve-Marie:

    A couple of thoughts:

    1. Vorkuta or Nandya? ?The Soviet NKVD archives posted at?

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    record the Chamut family as arriving?on 5 March 1940?at the special labour settlement "Nandya" (today, incorporated into the town of Urdoma), Lensky region, Archangel oblast. This destination is corroborated in the testimony of another deportee from Ostrowa, wie? Wiktorówka,?Józefa (Stykowska)?Dzyra?at?.?

    The IPN Indeks of the Repressed?

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    ?adds that Marcin was released from Nandya on 12 September 1941, headed for Aleksandrowka in Cza?kowska oblast. There is no mention of Vorkuta, and it is unlikely that amnestied Poles would return to forced labour in even harsher NKVD camps after their release.

    Nandya was a source of labour, however, for the Pechora railway through Kotlas to Vorkuta. That may explain the references your uncle makes to Vorkuta – as the eldest male, he may have been pressed into a work gang on the railway, while they family stayed in Nandya.?

    Nandya photos:?
    ?
    Regards
    Stefan Wi?niowski
    Sydney
    Re: [Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] tracing Marcin Chamot / Chamut

     

    Hi Pawel,?

    It does help when a name appears on an official list, but?of course you are correct, when there is no evidence, all we can say is "we are not sure - we do not know". ?

    Thanks for your ongoing contributions!

    Stefan Wi?niowski
    Sydney?
    Re: Eddie:- a needle in a haystack

     

    Eva-Marie,

    No answers about "Eddie" but here is a clue:

    There appear to be no persons in Poland today with then surnames W?ódczyk, W?odczyk, Wódczyk, Wódczyk, Wodczyk, ?ódczyk or Lodczyk.?


    However, there are 28 people with ?odczyk (less than 1 in a million!) – 25 of them in?J?drzejów, woj.??wi?tokrzyskie?and 3 in Chorzów, woj. ?l?skie.


    Looking at?


    Next steps - you should e-mail or phone the mayor of J?drzejów! ?How is your Polish?



    Regards

    Stefan Wi?niowski

    Sydney
    Re: [Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] tracing Marcin Chamot / Chamut

     

    Hello Stefan,

    I know they are not on the list. I've checked that before the e-mail. But searching the things in the past I've learnt that if I don't have the confirmation about the issue I am not sure. Some time ago I've sent an e-mail to Polish Embassy in Teheran looking for the grave of my father god father and I got the answer that there are many NN graves on the cemeteries they were taking care. I've not been in Iraq but I can imagine there are/were such graves or even there were mass graves with no names.
    I didn't find any of the other names also in the list of Polish soldiers died in exile between 1939 and 1946 published by Sikorski Institute in 1952, but are we really sure it is complete? For sure not, they have written in the document that some of the names could be missed and some changed.

    Best Regards
    Pawel Kossowski

    W dniu .03.2016 o 06:05 stefan.wisniowski@... [Kresy-Siberia] pisze:



    Good research Pawel, finding a neighbour of Marin Chamut who spoke of him in her recollections. ?There is a lot of good detail at?

    ??

    Unfortunately, however, Marcin Chamut is not one of the 438 names listed as buried at Khanakin, neither are the other men that Pani Józefa Dzyra mentioned:?Wac?aw Papu?yński, Kazimierz Pa?ka, W?adys?aw Pa?ka, Jan Sosnal. Only her own father?Jan Stykowski is actually listed as buried there.

    The full list of Polish soldiers buried in Khanakin Cemetery in Iraq is listed in our museum website at?

    ?

    Perhaps all of these men are buried elsewhere in the Middle East...?

    Regards
    Stefan Wisniowski
    Sydney






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    Re: Ander's Army organization in USSR

     

    Eve-Marie,

    Krasnovodsk was a Soviet port on the Caspian Sea, a regular supply route for oil and other war materiels, including from the USA, via Iran. Ships would arrive in Krasnovodsk full, and depart empty. These were?the best solution for evacuating tens of thousands of military and civilians out of the USSR and?into the British sphere of support and control,?where the Polish Army was to defend the Middle Eastern oil fields from possible Nazi German attack. The ships would take a couple of days to cross the?the Caspian Sea and?anchor off the?port of Pahlevi, Iran. which was?then under joint Soviet and British occupation.

    The evacuations from Krasnovodsk were organized by the Polish military with the cooperation of the Soviet military. If your uncle Bolek enlisted in the Polish Army in the USSR, he would have crossed en masse by ship from Krasnovodsk in April or August 1942. The land crossing only consisted of a couple of thousand civilians by truck, I believe from orphanages in the USSR. Someone can provide those exact details, which I do no have at hand.?

    Of course, intrepid travellers may also have made their own way to Krasnovodsk or escaped from the USSR by various other routes, though this would have been arduous and rare.

    I hope this sheds a bit of light...

    Regards
    Stefan Wisniowski
    SYDNEY
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    Re: [Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Marcin Chamot

     

    Eve-Marie

    Hello from Australia, where I managed to?escape?to in 1995 after decades of Canadian winters in Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto. I was born in Montreal to Polish?parents, Survivors of Siberia and of the Warsaw Uprising. I went to Harcerski obóz (scout camp) in Kaszuby, Barry's Bay, Ontario. Our "Hufiec" (regional scout group) in Montreal was actually called "Kresy" though at the time I had no idea what that meant.

    In 1976 I was at the world jamboree of Polish Scouts (ZHP) outside Poland, held at Kaszuby. Scouts attended from Australia, Argentina, the UK and the USA. Were you there?

    Czuwaj!

    Stefan Wisniowski
    Sydney Australia
    Re: fate of Poles left behind after Ander's Army left the USSR?

     

    Hi Eve-Marie

    May we add your posts to the Facebook version of Kresy-Siberia Group? We have 650 active members there, with some overlap but many new ones also.

    Berst regards,
    Stefan Wisniowski
    Moderator
    Sydney AUSTRALIA
    Re: [Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] tracing Marcin Chamot / Chamut

     

    Good research Pawel, finding a neighbour of Marin Chamut who spoke of him in her recollections. ?There is a lot of good detail at?

    ??

    Unfortunately, however, Marcin Chamut is not one of the 438 names listed as buried at Khanakin, neither are the other men that Pani Józefa Dzyra mentioned:?Wac?aw Papu?yński, Kazimierz Pa?ka, W?adys?aw Pa?ka, Jan Sosnal. Only her own father?Jan Stykowski is actually listed as buried there.

    The full list of Polish soldiers buried in Khanakin Cemetery in Iraq is listed in our museum website at?

    ?

    Perhaps all of these men are buried elsewhere in the Middle East...?

    Regards
    Stefan Wisniowski
    Sydney
    Re: [Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] tracing Marcin Chamot / Chamut

     

    Hello Eve,

    I suppose you can find everything about your grandpa here http://www.sybiracy.wckp.lodz.pl/jdzyra.html?
    She writes about her neighbour Marcin Chamut of Wiktorówka, what suits to the data?
    I don't know if you know Polish, but in short this is the story described by Józefa Dzyra for her grandchildren. It looks like she new your grandpa (just put Ctrl+F and enter Marcin Chamut). She writes that your grandpa is buried at the cemetery in Khanaqin. Currently this is the city in Iraq, where the war cemetery was (is?) You can find some pics of the cemetery in Internet because some time ago Polish Embassy from Baghdad was taking care about the place.

    Best Regards
    Pawel Kossowski


    W dniu .03.2016 o 19:05 eve.marie123@... [Kresy-Siberia] pisze:



    Hello again!

    This time I'm trying to establish the fate of my grandfather, Marcin Chamot / Chamut who apparently disappeared before the family got to south Kazahhstan (via Vorkuta / Archnagelsk).

    I have 4 records now which first show him as an osadnik in Wolyn with the rank of "bombardier",
    then a deportation record for early March of 1940 which show him, his wife Anna, and his 3 sons:- Bolek, Jozef, and Henry and destined for northeast Archangelsk oblast (although apparently they actually went to Vorkuta instead) followed by another record which shows the family in southern Kazakhstan but now Marcin and Anna are missing and replaced by Maria, and finally another record, apparently based on information Bolek gave when enlisting in Ander's Army which shows Anna, Maria, Jozef, and Henryk with Bolek in the army and Marcin still missing.

    It appears that grandfather Marcin either was diverted along the way or simply died somewhere along the way
    but how I can find more information about his exact fate?

    One possibility is that he was arrested and sent instead to Katyn since after the initial invasion they did arrest some retired Polish officers and sergeants although I'm not sure if Marcin would qualify.

    It depends on what a "bombardier" was:- apparently this was a title for an artillery sergeant who would have directed a small artillery crew and been responsible for the nitty-gritty of moving them, positioning them, finding supplies for them, and firing the guns at the targets designated by an officer but it also might simply be a name assigned to any ordinary soldier who formed part of an artillery crew (ie what we would call a "gunner").

    How can I establish if grandfather was sent to Katyn?

    Another possibility was that he was diverted to the Far East to Magadan or to Kolyma and is there a way to check on that?

    If he was not diverted to those places then it's most likely he died somewhere along the way between Kowel, Vorkuta / Archangelsk, south Kazakhstan, Tadzhikistan, and Ashgabat / Krasnovodsk:- are there any additional records which could offer more information about that possibility?

    Thank you.







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