Yes, PAL it is. (although many Aussie machines read NTSC as well, in
keeping with our tradition of taking the best from Europe and from America).
Stefan

Hi Andy,

Yes of course [not seen it myself yet] If I can do it before Friday, I will,
then I go to USA for 3 weeks till 20th Oct - but certainly after, if you can
wait that long?

Linder

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Hi List

As well as having a VHS video recorder, the important part that has been
missed out, is we operate on a signal called PAL, does Australia use PAL
as well?

John

Hi Linder,

I would be interested in a copy as well. I'm happy to cover the cost of
postage and handling. We use VHS here in Australia.

Andy Kowaluk

Linder

can I trouble you for a copy

Paul

At 12:40 09/22/2001 +0100, you wrote:

Dear Stefan,

Bogdan Wilamowski video'd it for me. Not watched it yet. Are the video
machines the same in Australia as we have here? Ours are called VHS, I
wonder if my tape would work on your's? If so, I can easily get it copied
and snail-mail to you.

Linder
----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan Wisniowski
To: Kresy-Siberia Group
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:41 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] BBC4 Radio program


> BBC Radio presents the story of "A Forgotten Odyssey", aired on last
Monday
> 17 September.
>
> It will be on their website probably for only for another day or so.
>
> If you are interested, please go to
>
>
> Here is the description of the program:
> Monday 17 September 2001.
> Just sixteen days after Hitler invaded Poland from the west, the Russians
> rolled in from the east.
>
> Whole communities had to abandon their homes and were packed into cattle
> trains heading into the depths of Russia. Some died along the way, many
died
> in the labour camps where they were forced to work.
>
> Jenni Murray investigates this forgotten odyssey of nearly two million
> Poles, with Sister Aniela Nowak, who was evacuated to Russia, at the age
of
> nine, and Anita Prazmowska, a Senior Lecturer in international history, at
> the London School of Economics.
>
> The film, 'Forgotten Odyssey' is being shown tonight on the BBC's History
> Channel.
>
>
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Dear Stefan,

Bogdan Wilamowski video'd it for me. Not watched it yet. Are the video
machines the same in Australia as we have here? Ours are called VHS, I
wonder if my tape would work on your's? If so, I can easily get it copied
and snail-mail to you.

Linder

I would love to see it, but can't find the listing


At 19:41 09/22/2001 +1100, you wrote:

BBC Radio presents the story of "A Forgotten Odyssey", aired on last Monday
17 September.

It will be on their website probably for only for another day or so.

If you are interested, please go to


Here is the description of the program:
Monday 17 September 2001.
Just sixteen days after Hitler invaded Poland from the west, the Russians
rolled in from the east.

Whole communities had to abandon their homes and were packed into cattle
trains heading into the depths of Russia. Some died along the way, many died
in the labour camps where they were forced to work.

Jenni Murray investigates this forgotten odyssey of nearly two million
Poles, with Sister Aniela Nowak, who was evacuated to Russia, at the age of
nine, and Anita Prazmowska, a Senior Lecturer in international history, at
the London School of Economics.

The film, 'Forgotten Odyssey' is being shown tonight on the BBC's History
Channel.


--
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Australia


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Stefan

You could email the BBC and ask for a copy of the interview, I was able
to obtain a video of a visit to Katyn, by relatives of the victims that
was broadcast a couple of years ago.
It recorded the train ride from Warsaw to Katyn, the priests service,
the Polish army detachment which fired a Salute, interviews with the
relatives and the journey back, which was stopped at Lwow by the Russian
army as a friendly gesture.
A very good, but too short (about 20 minutes) program.
John

BBC Radio presents the story of "A Forgotten Odyssey", aired on last Monday
17 September.

It will be on their website probably for only for another day or so.

If you are interested, please go to


Here is the description of the program:
Monday 17 September 2001.
Just sixteen days after Hitler invaded Poland from the west, the Russians
rolled in from the east.

Whole communities had to abandon their homes and were packed into cattle
trains heading into the depths of Russia. Some died along the way, many died
in the labour camps where they were forced to work.

Jenni Murray investigates this forgotten odyssey of nearly two million
Poles, with Sister Aniela Nowak, who was evacuated to Russia, at the age of
nine, and Anita Prazmowska, a Senior Lecturer in international history, at
the London School of Economics.

The film, 'Forgotten Odyssey' is being shown tonight on the BBC's History
Channel.

<Let me know if you know of any way to save this interview!>
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Australia

Irene has looked for my family's specific names, and has sent me info on one
of them (Stanislawa Wisniowska).

Don, when you go to the Hoover, I would appreciate your help in finding
anything at all in the Hoover referring to the settlement of WARSZAWKA.
This was a civilian settlement 6km north of BRODY, set up in the early
1920's by Polish settlers who purchased their land. I understand that the
majority of them were deported on 10 Feb 1940.

I believe that there are several sources of information in the archives
there, including files organised by Powiat (county) and Wojewódstwo
(voivodship) of origin. Perhaps Irene can give us all some advice on this?
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Australia

Dear Don,

I look forward to exchanging stories and info.

My mother's family (Sulkowski) settled in Krzemieniec in 1934 which
is just up the road from Wisnowiec (20kms) and even less from Wola
Korybutowiecka. They were deported to Kazakhstan and the Gulag. My
father (Gladun) was born in Krzemieniec as was his father. He
survived Katyn and joined the Anders Army.

Good Luck,
Chris Gladun, Toronto

I have been away for the past couple of weeks visiting my mother and aunt in Buffalo New York. Their family grew up in the eastern borderlands and I was able to obtain more stories during my visit. My grandfather, Jan Norek ( a military settler), owned a farm approximately 3km. from Osada Wolakrybutowiecka and 5 km from Wisnowiec. He joined General Ander's army to escape the Soviet Union and was able to get his family out safely.

Does anyone on the list have relatives who settled in this general vicinity?

I plan to take a field trip to Stanford to take a look at the papers of General Anders and would be glad to look up information for others while there. I also greatly appreciate Irene Czernichowska's assistance in working at the Hoover Institute Archives.

Don Dudley

You see
>
> >
> > www.indeks.karta.org.pl

****

W.Czapski
ps. may pages www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rtym/main.htm


----- Wiadomosc oryginalna -----
Od: <cgladun@...>
Do: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Wyslano: 20 wrzesnia 2001 19:18
Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] Naliboki search for partisans

I was wondering if anyone can help with this email request. I get
countless such pleas via my site "Poland's Holocaust"


---------------------------------------------------------------------
My husband, Stanislaus Korzenko, was born in Naliboki, Poland. His
father Bolek Korzenko was a member of the partisans in Naliboki but
was sent with his family to the work camps in Germany where his wife
and yougest daughter died. I am compiling a family history for my
husband, who was only 1 year old or so when taken to Germany
(although he remembers many details of his nine years there in DP
camps). Can you help with resources that might lead me to more
information on the partisan members/ His father had a medal (lost)
given him for his work in the partisan group would you know what it
was? My husband remembers that is was beautiful, blue and gold? with
the polish eagle.

Thank you for your help.
Candace Korzenko
candyk@...
---------------------------------------------------------------------

The details and timeframe in the request are undetermined but it
certainly has a Kresy aspect(Wilno-Nowogrodek) and Naliboki is in the
news as the following report attests:

The investigative unit of the National Remembrance Institute (IPN)
will ask the Byelorussian prosecution authorities to open an
investigation into the [war] crime committed at Naliboki in the
Nowogrodek district.

The [Polish] investigation of this crime has been conducted since
April 1996 by the District Commission for Prosecuting Crimes against
the Polish Nation in Lodz. The Lodz IPN reopened it on March 20,
2001. The crime has been brought again to light recently by the
Polish Canadian Congress.

According to the current results of the investigation, in Naliboki,
during the night of 8/9 May 1943, Soviet partisans massacred the
Polish population.

128 men and 3 women were killed. These people were led out of their
homes at night, and shot. Their property was stolen, and their homes
burnt.

Apart from the massacre in Naliboki, the IPN wants to investigate
also the shooting of 10 people in the village of Derevno (December
1943), and the execution of 19 soldiers of the Home Army (AK) in
Kamien (May 1943).

Note: The circumstances of the Naliboki massacre, in which
participated the Jewish units "Jerusalem" (commander Bielski) and
"Pobeda" (commander Zorin) are described at
(pages 24-25 and
footnotes)

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Is there any way you can add more to the medal
if the ribbon was blue and the medal gold then if it was a cross it could have been a Virtuti Militari V class
without knowing more I can't offer any fuller explanation, only speculation

At 17:18 09/20/2001 +0000, you wrote:

I was wondering if anyone can help with this email request. I get
countless such pleas via my site "Poland's Holocaust"


---------------------------------------------------------------------
My husband, Stanislaus Korzenko, was born in Naliboki, Poland. His
father Bolek Korzenko was a member of the partisans in Naliboki but
was sent with his family to the work camps in Germany where his wife
and yougest daughter died.? I am compiling a family history for my
husband, who was only 1 year old or so when taken to Germany
(although he remembers many details of his nine years there in DP
camps). Can you help with resources that might lead me to more
information on the partisan members/? His father had a medal (lost)
given him for his work in the partisan group would you know what it
was? My husband remembers that is was beautiful, blue and gold? with
the polish eagle.

Thank you for your help.
Candace Korzenko
candyk@...
---------------------------------------------------------------------

The details and timeframe in the request are undetermined but it
certainly has a Kresy aspect(Wilno-Nowogrodek) and Naliboki is in the
news as the following report attests:??

The investigative unit of the National Remembrance Institute (IPN)
will ask the Byelorussian prosecution authorities to open an
investigation into the [war] crime committed at Naliboki in the
Nowogrodek district.

The [Polish] investigation of this crime has been conducted since
April 1996 by the District Commission for Prosecuting Crimes against
the Polish Nation in Lodz. The Lodz IPN reopened it on March 20,
2001. The crime has been brought again to light recently by the
Polish Canadian Congress.

According to the current results of the investigation, in Naliboki,
during the night of 8/9 May 1943, Soviet partisans massacred the
Polish population.

128 men and 3 women were killed. These people were led out of their
homes at night, and shot. Their property was stolen, and their homes
burnt.

Apart from the massacre in Naliboki, the IPN wants to investigate
also the shooting of 10 people in the village of Derevno (December
1943), and the execution of 19 soldiers of the Home Army (AK) in
Kamien (May 1943).

Note: The circumstances of the Naliboki massacre, in which
participated the Jewish units "Jerusalem" (commander Bielski) and
"Pobeda" (commander Zorin) are described at
(pages 24-25 and
footnotes)

Chris Gladun






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I was wondering if anyone can help with this email request. I get
countless such pleas via my site "Poland's Holocaust"


---------------------------------------------------------------------
My husband, Stanislaus Korzenko, was born in Naliboki, Poland. His
father Bolek Korzenko was a member of the partisans in Naliboki but
was sent with his family to the work camps in Germany where his wife
and yougest daughter died. I am compiling a family history for my
husband, who was only 1 year old or so when taken to Germany
(although he remembers many details of his nine years there in DP
camps). Can you help with resources that might lead me to more
information on the partisan members/ His father had a medal (lost)
given him for his work in the partisan group would you know what it
was? My husband remembers that is was beautiful, blue and gold? with
the polish eagle.

Thank you for your help.
Candace Korzenko
candyk@...
---------------------------------------------------------------------

The details and timeframe in the request are undetermined but it
certainly has a Kresy aspect(Wilno-Nowogrodek) and Naliboki is in the
news as the following report attests:

The investigative unit of the National Remembrance Institute (IPN)
will ask the Byelorussian prosecution authorities to open an
investigation into the [war] crime committed at Naliboki in the
Nowogrodek district.

The [Polish] investigation of this crime has been conducted since
April 1996 by the District Commission for Prosecuting Crimes against
the Polish Nation in Lodz. The Lodz IPN reopened it on March 20,
2001. The crime has been brought again to light recently by the
Polish Canadian Congress.

According to the current results of the investigation, in Naliboki,
during the night of 8/9 May 1943, Soviet partisans massacred the
Polish population.

128 men and 3 women were killed. These people were led out of their
homes at night, and shot. Their property was stolen, and their homes
burnt.

Apart from the massacre in Naliboki, the IPN wants to investigate
also the shooting of 10 people in the village of Derevno (December
1943), and the execution of 19 soldiers of the Home Army (AK) in
Kamien (May 1943).

Note: The circumstances of the Naliboki massacre, in which
participated the Jewish units "Jerusalem" (commander Bielski) and
"Pobeda" (commander Zorin) are described at
(pages 24-25 and
footnotes)

Chris Gladun

I would like to offer some advice from my experience with a Yahoo
group;

To avoid the adverts that arrive with group emails specify in "edit
my membership" that you don't want emails from group members sent
automatically to your mailbox. Instead specify that you want to go to
the Kresy-Siberia Group site itself to read the latest messages as
well as to post your own messages from there. I also find this easier
as you can trace the threads as well as checking archives and
keywords. I find my email box gets filled pretty quick. (I specified
that I would rather not receive emails in my mail box--but for some
reason I still am.)

Also many people who are not core members or who seldom post messages
are turned off by a daily flood of emails. Some prefer just to
periodically browse the group site and check the postings or access
the archives for specific topics at their leisure.

Members who post should also be aware that all the postings will in
time become part of the public domain and will appear in search
engines etc. What you write will be out there for everyone to read.
Which is a good thing as it will facilitate in spreading our news and
info out there. Google for instance picks up every name and
descriptive word. I was thrilled to see all my postings to APAP and
PolesandJews (a Yahoo group like this one) out there and have
received a few inquiries via this route.

I think members would agree that postings should not only be relevant
to the group but well-written and properly presented. Short messages
saying "hi" or making a passing comment or correction just clog the
site and dull the reader's brain. I think of a posting as an
articulate and researched presentation to a group gathered at a
seminar focusing on a specific subject. With proper punctuation and
grammar and footnotes where possible.

Thanks
Chris Gladun

Stefan

Is there any way to get the adverts to switch of
it's causing a download problem and will slow things down when they (messages) get bounced between subscribers
I know that Topica only has a footer advert in plain text and it's fast

Paul

I had a little luck with it, entered a name and some detail came up
let's hope that they(whoever they are) keep it up to date

Paul


At 14:35 09/19/2001 -0400, Eve5J@... wrote:

Paul, Stefan, and List:

I know, it does look good, and I entered my info, I thought
correctly, but nothing came up even when I searched under
different topics.? Thanks to Wladyslaw Czapski for sending it!

Thanks Stefan for "The General Langfitt Story."? I am almost
finished with it.? It tells a lot.? Fills in some blanks and goes
into greater detail on areas that I was already familiar with.
Thanks for letting us know about it, Stef.

Eve Jankowicz



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Had a look at the site, it's very good there's a search index that is very extensive
with a decent search options. If anyone needs any help on this site let me know

Paul

At 23:20 09/19/2001 +1100, you wrote:

Thank you for this, Wladyslaw.? Wow!
I have translated this (in schoolboy Polish) as a public service.? Can
anybody please visit this new site (in Polish) and let me know if you can
make it work for you?
Thanks
Stefan.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Premier Jerzy Buzek opened the "Index of the Repressed" Internet Center in
the Karta offices in Warsaw, incorporating data on Polish citizens
"repressed" in the USSR after 17 September 1939.

In the internet version of the database (), opened
yesterday, are records on 120,000 people arrested during the Soviet
occupation in 1939-41.

"Whichever political party comes to power, there have to be ongoing
examinations of recent history and non-governmental organisations must exist
to undertake this task" - said the government leader yesterday.

Present for the opening of the internet version of the index, President Leon
Kieres of the Institute for National Memory (Institut Pamieci Narodowej)
assured that the Institute does not wish to take the place of such public
institutions like Karta, but rather wishes to cooperate with them.


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From: "Wladyslaw Czapski"
Reply-To: "Wladyslaw Czapski"
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:29:29 +0200
To: "Julian Ustrzycki"
Cc: "Adam BURDA" , "Pani Wright" ,
"Stefan Wisniowski"
Subject: zrodlo

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