For years now I have been attempting to find any documentation of my
parents' arrest and deportation; I have yet to get any official response.
I have seen documents from the NKVD as to the reasons, I tried the polish
ministry as well as lists of deportees o Teheran, Africa,...Nothing
listing either of my parents. Their documents were stolen by someone as
they were on their way to a muster point. I would like suggestions/ideas
from folks, this is v. odd. Thanks, Janusz DZIURZYNSK in CT., USA

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Please welcome David Lavis to the group.

Yes, Tarnopol was in Poland - and before WW1 was in the Austrian province of Galicia. ?David, can you tell us any more?

Stefan Wisniowski

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From: "heavy haulier"
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:27:32 +0000
To: swisniowski@...
Subject: Re: Kresy-Siberia

hi

im david and i live in england.

my grandmother was polish she escaped from poland in the early 40s by different means arived in england 44/45 where she gave birth to my mother.

my grandfather was also polish they split-up he also came to england they did meet up but then went there own way.

i would like to find out where she came from she aways talked about tarnopol i think is in galicia?

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This was in yesterdays New York Times, under the heading "A Day in
History", dated November 28, 1943.
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ROOSEVELT, STALIN, CHURCHILL AGREE ON PLANS FOR WAR ON GERMANY IN TALKS
AT TEHERAN; 1,500 MORE TONS OF BOMBS DROPPED ON BERLIN DECISIONS VARIED
Moscow Radio Asserts Political Problems Were Settled PARLEY NOW IS OVER
Axis Reports Predict an Appeal to Germans to Quit Hitler By JAMES B.
RESTON
Special to THE NEW YORK TIMES
RELATED HEADLINES
1,000 Big Bombers, 7,789 Other Planes Built in November: Record
Productions Achieved at Pace of One Every Five Minutes Around Clock: New
Peaks in Navy Yards: 250,000 - Ton Output Is Largely of Combat ships,
Among Them Many Aircraft Carriers
Air Battles Sharp: Nazi Fighters and Guns Down 41 of RAF's Attacking
Planes: South Berlin Hit: New Factory Area the Target in Fifth Heavy
Blow in 15 Nights
8th Army Drives 6 MIles Up Coast Toward San Vito: Town 15 Miles From Key
to Road to Rome Is Reported Taken -- Inland, Montgomery Wins
Castelfrentano -- 5th Army Gains
OTHER HEADLINES
Soldier-Vote Bill Shifted by Senate to Let States Rule: Republicans Join
With Southern Democrats in Scrapping the Plan for Federal Control:
Congress Only to Advise: Opponents Will Charge Substitute Will Make
Balloting Impossible for Forces Abroad
Walker Opposes Postal Rate Rises: Tells Senators Department Is Studying
Issue -- Swope Fights Racing Levy
Olive Oil Imports Are Banned by U.S.: Importers Here Say Bumper Crop in
Mediterranean Area May Go Begging
Australians Peril Another Huon Base: Close in on Wareo, Japanese
Stronghold in New Guinea - New Britain Is Battered Longo, Hague Foe, Is
Imprisoned; Edison Joins U.S. Inquiry Plea RAF's Twin-Target Tactics
Show Poser in Month's Blows at Reich London, Saturday, Dec. 4--The
Moscow radio announced early this morning that President Roosevelt,
Prime Minister Churchill and Premier Stalin had met in Teheran, Iran, "a
few days ago" to discuss questions relating to the war and the post-war
period.
"A few days ago," the Moscow radio said shortly after midnight, "a
conference of the leaders of the three Allied nations--President
Roosevelt, Prime Minister Churchill and Premier Stalin--took place at
Teheran.
"Military and diplomatic representatives also took part. The questions
discussed at the conference related to the war against Germany and also
to a range of political questions. Decisions were taken which will be
published later."
[An Associated Press dispatch from London quoted the Soviet monitor as
saying that full details of the conference might be announced between
noon and 2 P.M. Eastern war time today, basing this prediction on the
usual routine of the Moscow radio when announcing future broadcasts.]
The radio announcement, which came as a surprise to official quarters in
London, said nothing about the present location of Mr. Roosevelt and Mr.
Churchill, who held a five- day meeting with Generalissimo Chiang
Kai-shek last week and made plans for the defeat of the Japanese and the
dismemberment of their empire.
Details Are Awaited
Early this morning the Moscow radio had not indicated the nature of
political and military discussions that took place in the Iranian
capital, but it was generally assumed they dealt with the coordination
of military plans for the final assault on Hitlerite Germany and with
the unification of political plans for making peace with Germany on the
basis of "unconditional surrender."
Official information that has come back to London since the Prime
Minister left the capital has been extremely limited and indeed until
the Moscow radio made its announcement the German radio was the main
source of reports on the movements of the three leaders. It was,
however, generally expected in London that the three leaders would in
the course of their discussions decide to appeal to the German people
over the heads of their Government to surrender or take the consequences
of the air war in the west and an invasion of Russian armies from the
east.
Stalin Crosses Own Border
While Mr. Churchill and Mr. Roosevelt had had seven previous conferences
on the war, this was the first among the three leaders, and so far as is
known it marked the first time that Mr. Stalin had left the Soviet Union
since the revolution in 1917. The meeting was foreshadowed after the
Quebec conference when Mr. Churchill told the House of Commons he
"hoped" to meet with Mr. Roosevelt and Mr. Stalin before the first of
the year.
The Prime Minister had met Premier Stalin once before in the autumn of
1942, when he journeyed to Moscow to explain to him why it was
impossible for the United States and Britain to invade the continent of
Europe from the west that year.
Previous to that conference the United States and Britain had undertaken
to concern themselves with the "urgent tasks" of creating a second front
in 1942, and it is now known that the first Stalin-Churchill meeting was
unsatisfactory to Mr. Stalin for military reasons. There are reasons for
believing, however, that in Teheran very little if anything remained to
be settled on the question of the second front except perhaps that of
coordination of attacks on Germany from the east and west. In addition
to the coordination of military plans for a decisive phase of the war in
Europe, it is generally believed by observers in London that the Teheran
agenda covered a variety of questions that were either discussed briefly
or shelved entirely by Secretary of State Cordell Hull, British Foreign
Minister Anthony Eden and Foreign Commissar Vyachesalaff M. Molotoff
when they met in Moscow last month. Among the first of these questions
was the status of the Polish Government, with which Premier Stalin broke
diplomatic relations early this year. Since Britain went to war with
Germany under the terms of the treaty alliance with Poland and since the
Russian armies in their great westward sweep are now approaching the
former Russo-Polish frontier, the Governments of both the United States
and Britain have been hopeful that the Russo- Polish breach might be
repaired.
Premier Stalin has already stated in a letter to The New York Times that
he wished to see a "strong, independent Poland," and efforts have been
made by London to try to get Mr. Stalin not only to renew diplomatic
relations with Poland but, it is believed, to make Poland a party to the
Russo-Czech twenty-year treaty alliance that will be signed within a few
days.
It is assumed that this long-range question of the future Germany also
was on the Teheran agenda for discussion and the question naturally
arises as to whether the principle of "punishing" the aggressor would be
applied to Germany as severely as it was applied to Japan in the Cairo
declaration.
Whatever else the Allies may have agreed to coordinate at Teheran they
did not coordinate their announcements about the fact that meetings were
being held. The fact that the meetings were imminent was reported first
in American newspapers. The fact that the North African conference with
Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek had ended was reported prematurely by a
Reuter correspondent in Lisbon. Senator Tom Connally, chairman of the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee, shared with the German radio the
honor of "breaking" prematurely the fact that Mr. Stalin, Mr. Roosevelt
and Mr. Churchill were in session and now this morning the Moscow radio,
without pre- arrangement with London and Washington, announced that the
conference had ended. Thus everybody "scooped" everybody else, which
makes everybody even, although it makes nobody happy. Axis Voices
Concern
Before the Moscow broadcast today Axis sources continued to voice
apprehension over the results of the parley. Typical of their laborious
attempts to anticipate the official announcements of the conference was
the following comment in the Angriff:
"It seems that we are again to be asked to capitulate as a favor to the
enemy. But we will again turn a deaf ear to this friendly invitation.
The war criminals could have saved themselves a long trip." The German
telegraph service, picking up this same theme, which is general in the
German press and radio, said "the [Allied] discussions are expected to
result in a kind of ultimatum for the capitulation of the German people
and its allies. The German people, however, know that their enemies try
to hide their own weakness and difficulties behind every new propaganda
bluff. This war of nerves is the enemy's last resort.
"The Russian drive has failed, the Allies have been unable to produce
more than a slow- motion offensive in Italy, and the bombing in the west
has failed to undermine either German morale or German production."
Elsewhere in the German press, however, correspondents do not support
this official bravado. A remarkable article in Wednesday's Voelkisher
Beobachter, for example, complains bitterly: "Those people who spoke
with deep sympathy about the people of bombed London have nothing else
to say about bombed Berlin except, 'Well, you started it. Remember
Warsaw, Rotterdam, London and Coventry? What you are now getting is only
what you deserve.'" Similarly Axis satellites are not either dismissing
the "Big Three" conference lightly or attempting to speak like Germans
of "the trumpets of Jericho which will leave the walls unmoved." They
are admitting openly that the conference will have "great significance"
no matter what it does.

To the K-S members,

Congratulations to Michael Adamski on his documentary "For Your Freedom and Ours" and to Henryk Sokolowski for his narration of the film. I recently purchased a copy and found it to be informative and very well done,
janie :-)




To all interested in the 20 th century Polish stormy history!
There is a 90 min. documentary film: "For Your Freedom and Ours" produced from archival sources and available on video cassettes or DVD disks, which depicts all the major events affecting Poland from the outset of WW II in 1939 to 1989....
Michael Adamski

--- henrysokolowski <hsokol@...> wrote:
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Yes Leszek,

See if you can get your hands on a copy for me.

Henryk

My brother's father-in-law served with the RAF

during

WWII and wrote a memoir in Polish about his life.
Don't know if it's available for sale anywhere, but

I

can check with my brother if anyone is interested.

I sent my brother your email address and asked him to
contact you. Did you ever hear from him or his wife?

Czesc,
Leszek

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Hi Siergiej

Thank you very much, I will send it to you with my private e-mail address.

Julia...

From: "Siergiej Korycki" <porKo@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] microfilm in Russian
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:47:34 +0300

Hi, Julia.

Maybe I'll can help you?

Siergiej Korycki, Rusia

-----Original Message-----
From: Julia Dyer [mailto:cherryvodka@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 8:25 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] microfilm in Russian


Hi all

Do we have any people on this list who can read and write Russian.

I have a scanned copy of a couple of documents from microfilm that I want
translated please, is there anyone who can help me out.

Julia....Gladstone, Queensland....Australia...

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Hi, Julia.

Maybe I'll can help you?

Siergiej Korycki, Rusia

Hi all

Do we have any people on this list who can read and write Russian.

I have a scanned copy of a couple of documents from microfilm that I want translated please, is there anyone who can help me out.

Julia....Gladstone, Queensland....Australia...

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Please welcome Eugeniusz Pozniak to the group!
Regards, Stefan Wisniowski


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From: "Eugeniusz Pozniak" <epoz@...>
Czesc Stefan
Umiem czytac po Polsku ale ledwo pisze po Polsku, to reszta napisze po
angielsku...:-)

I came across your group via a Google search and it has quite excited me! I
have spent the past few years researching my family and thought I was nearly
alone in this kind of pursuit, but it looks like you have a thriving
community of like-minded people all looking for similar answers.

I was born in London, UK and now live near Manchester (the wp.pl address
isn't meant to confuse, it's just a bit more interesting than a hotmail
account).

My father's family come from Jankowicze, woj. Nowogrodzkie, they avoided the
NKWD in 1939 but were taken west by the Germans after Operation Barbarossa.
Some family managed to stay in place (still there now in Bialorus), some
were resettled in Wroclaw and my immediate family, following German camps
(ending up in 'Maczkow' as Oldenburg was renamed), came to the UK eventually
settling in London. (My uncle moved to Sydney with his family in 1984).

My maternal grandfather was from Bochnia and was a Superintendant in the
Police in Krakow in 1939 (previosly he was in the Austro-Hungarian army in
the 12 Dragoons stationed mostly in the Ukraine between Woloczyska and
Kherson. He then fought with 8 Pulk Ulanow in 1919-1921 including the
advance on Kiev and Battle of Komarow) -- In 1939, following orders to
disband and regroup on 17 September he travelled east to avoid the Germans
by attempting to get to Rumania. He was arrested by the NKWD and was sent to
Dniepropetrovsk. Then moved to Komi (a place called Mizok--?) and was
released with the Amnesty (he was then in Talica, nr. Moscow) whereapon he
made his way to Tatiszczewo to join with Anders' army. He was in 13PP
'Rysiow' then transferred to Lacznosz 5KDP (while in Khanaquin) and
continued the route through the Middle East and the Italian campaign ending
up in Bologna.

My maternal grandmother came from Lubartow woj. Lubelskie and was also sent
east. I know she was in registered in Novosibirsk, then the story picks up
again on the road from Jalal-Abad to Krasnowodsk where she was found by my
grandfather on the side of the road left for dead. He and his colleagues
helped to get her on the boat--apparently it was very strict and she would
have had to have been left behind if found out. She ended up in Tehran where
she joined PSK then followed the route of 5DP--my grandfather kept looking
after her--there was obviously a love story there somewhere but it has been
lost in the mists of time. She was there all the way to Italy, fell
pregnant, and had my mother in a Polish hospital back in Tel Aviv in 1945.
In 1946 my grandfather joined them for good following the demob of Polish
units in Bologna and they left for the UK in October 1947. Eventually to
settle in London.

I am still looking for many answers and am saddened that my family are
losing their story as recollection is so painful--and the people who could
have remembered best have long since passed away.

So on the basis that it's never too late I am trying to piece together what
I can before it really is too late.

With kind regards
Genio Pozniak

Let me know what you want changed. ?The database is security protected so members do not have their info changed "by accident" by others, and only the moderator is authorised to make changes once they are submitted. ?As a second option, if you want, make a 2nd entry and I can delete the old one.
S

<<<<<Subject: Re: Polscy Chlopcy
"Elizabeth Olsson" wrote:
[...] I dont seem to be able to find your introduction to the group (though
I see that youve filled in the Connections data base well done!).
Im sure everyone is curious as to where and who are so I hope youll tell
us a bit about your background and your familys connection to
Kresy-Siberia, etc etc.

Elizabeth, since you asked, here is some extensive material Anne sent
previously.
Regards,
Stefan Wisniowski>>>>>>

Thank you Stefan and Anne for the material you sent - I did actually do a
search on the site - looking for Kaczanowska and didn't find anything.
If I had spelt it KaczanowSKI I would have found it. Just a tip for future
searchers!

Pozdrowienia
Elzunia
Sweden

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Hello everyone,

I just found this new site at Rootsweb and it's full of interesting
data....ship passenger lists, parishes both in Poland and the US, lots of
good links. Go to

Terry Glowacki
California

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Hi Stefan,

How do I edit my information once it is saved to the database? I
tried to edit and it stated that I do not have permissions.

Thank you,
Angie Jordan

--- Lloydeen Glowacki <lmglow@...> wrote:

Lech, sorry if I missed your greetings last month.
Maybe late, but always
there with strong hearts and goodwill to all.


There were no greetings last month. Thanksgiving is
not a Polish holiday, therefore I do not acknowledge
its existence.

Czesc,
Leszek

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on 11/27/03 8:48 AM, Lech Lesiak at lech_lesiak@... wrote:

--- Lloydeen Glowacki <lmglow@...> wrote:
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To everyone in this interesting, helpful and
educational group...

Happy Thanksgiving Day to all of you.

Thanksgiving was in October up here.

Typical bloody Yanks - late for WWI, late for WWII,
and now late for bloody Thanksgiving.

Cheers,
Lech

Lech, sorry if I missed your greetings last month. Maybe late, but always
there with strong hearts and goodwill to all.

Terry