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Re: Pomnik Bandery w Lwowie? Monument to Bandera in Lwow?


 

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Roman..
As soon as the Sowiet army enter -local Ukrainia already beeb sharing of "majatek one of wealthy Lady"
And when we on 10 of february been deported- my uncle wrota as that our property been shared by local ukrainian. They even been acusing him for taking some of our property.
And later on they murder whole family and neighbours.
Ted
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Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Pomnik Bandery w Lwowie? Monument to Bandera in Lwow?


Zbyszek,
You wrote "once the Polish people were deported, the locals divided up the spoils, property livestock, houses, etc... "
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Can you tell me where? you found this information.
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Regards,
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R. Skulski
Poland and WW II 1939-1945
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Zbigniew Bob Styrna <styrna@shaw.ca> wrote:
W?adek,
Thank you for the detailed explanation of the issue.
I agree that the deportations were basically a Russian/NKVD cleansing operation but there was local significant co-operation involvement by the Ukrainians.? After all, who was put on the deportation lists ?? The NKVD had an idea to get rid of the Polish people, but did they know who were the Polish people, where did they live, their backgrounds, details, etc.?? they had to have lots of local help.?
Once the Polish people were deported, the locals divided up the spoils, property livestock, houses, etc¡­¡­
The ankiety at Hoover institute state that in mid Oct 1939, all Polish officials were removed and forced elections were imposed. There were three choices on the new NKVD ballot boxes, a ?Ukrainian, a Russian and? a Jew.
Then in Feb 10, 1940 deportations started in the middle of the night.
Regards
Zbigniew
-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Walter Orlowski
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:21 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Pomnik Bandery w Lwowie? Monument to Bandera in Lwow?
Hello Carol:

I know it will be hard to believe, but the Communist government never
addressed this issue as ethnic cleansing of Poles by Ukrainian
Ultranationalists. They followed the Russian lead and simply called
them acts of banditry. Small groups of survivors kept the memory
alive, but they were ignored by all official Communist Government
organs. The Post-communist government of Kwasniewski pretended NOT to
know or understand and the IPN under post-Communists followed the
lead. The vast majority of Poles are not aware of the extent of the
crimes committed by OUN-UPA or even who Stepan Bandera was.

You did ask about survivors of the massacres. We do not know just
how many Poles from Southern part of Kresy (Wolyn, Tarnopol, Lwow and
Stanislawow) survived because the Soviets played with the numbers of
returnees from deportations as opposed to survivors. None of the
Communist numbers are believable. However, what matters is the lack
of action by the Polish Communists and the Soviets in pursuing the SS
and UPA criminals living in England, Canada and the US.

The Ukrainians were not responsible for the deportations of Poles
into Russia. The deportations were part of a Soviet plan to
ethnically cleanse Kresy of Polish population. Many Ukrainians did
collaborate but it was strictly an NKVD operation.

In looking at this issue, one has to recognize that base and the
support of OUN-UPA, and the SS units they spawned, came from the 5
million Ukrainian population of Kresy, within pre-WWII Polish
borders. OUN had a tight grip on that population and few dared oppose
it. Those who did were killed. Further East, 50-80 miles from where
I was born, there were no attacks on Poles and no murders perpetrated
by neighboring Ukrainians. The Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-UPA)
always meld the two groups of Ukrainians to cover up their crimes.
The two groups had nothing in common. The Ukrainian victims of Nazi
crimes were all from Eastern and Central Ukraine, the victimizers
(SS, UPA-OUN) were from Kresy and those Ukrainians were not
victimized by the Nazis.

The Ukrainians in question, never joined our side in the war and
remained loyal to the Nazis to the end. Incorporating them into the
II Korps in Italy after the war was a ploy by the British and
Americans to save them from returning to Poland and Ukraine and into
Soviet hands.

One group that I cannot forgive are the post-Communist who took over
Poland after 1990. They deliberately obfuscated the issue and delayed
and delayed probably waiting for the survivors and the perpetrators
of the crimes to die off.

With best regards,
Wladek

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