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Hello,?
Actually I have two modules, upgraded to pro1, and pro2. Just finished the restorations and they are now ready to sound at my studio.
I have to recognize that I did not dig completely on the load of info in the k1000.net, so my apologies if I am asking for something that is already explained.
If I understood correctly, there is a possibility of adding some extra sounds to the modules, by using the RAM locations. What I don?t have clear is that is that makes sense, to get extra timbres for the modules, or if I go this way, what I will get will be duplicates of sounds that are already on ROM.
Thanks in advance,
José Juan
Spain
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With one exception, I haven't heard about any additional sounds to a Pro 1 or 2. Back in the Day Sweetwater did some alternate sound chips, from what I was told, though I've never encountered anything with them inside.
There might be more about this on the k1000.net website.
Nicole
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of José Juan Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 5:42 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [K1000-K1200] not sure what to do about RAM Hello, Actually I have two modules, upgraded to pro1, and pro2. Just finished the restorations and they are now ready to sound at my studio. I have to recognize that I did not dig completely on the load of info in the k1000.net, so my apologies if I am asking for something that is already explained. If I understood correctly, there is a possibility of adding some extra sounds to the modules, by using the RAM locations. What I don?t have clear is that is that makes sense, to get extra timbres for the modules, or if I go this way, what I will get will be duplicates of sounds that are already on ROM. Thanks in advance, José Juan Spain
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Hi Jose Juan,
Your Pro 1 and 2 are both populated with all the available sound chips, so there's no possibility (or even need) to add anything else. You'll have ROM sounds in both modules, but the RAM locations are there for you to add further sounds in the 1000 library. If you look on k1000.net, you'll find a large number of RAM libraries available. If you start to audition them, you'll find that there are some wonderful sounds programmed up by the folks at Kurzweil, together with other banks from third parties. I posted my collection of sounds there as well. By working your way through the relevant libraries (remember that for the Pro 2 you might want to investigate both the SX and HX banks) you can assemble your own library of 'greatest hits' that you prefer. One thing to be aware of: The RAM library size isn't colossal. Even though there's a potential 256 locations with v.5 software, you'll probably find that you run out of RAM memory around 224 or so. That's been my experience at least. Hope this is useful info for you. David.
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Hi Nicole,
Just as a point of clarification, there were no third party chips produced for the 1000 series. Sweetwater DID produce ROM chips for the K250, and I belive that on a K250 the sounds lurk in the 700 and 800 bank locations.
Hope this helps,
David.
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Hi, David,
Thanks for hints, they are exactly?what I needed.
Still I don't understand why the 1000 modules are so forgotten, they are outstanding musical instruments.?
There it goes a pic of my units ?
José Juan?
Hi Jose Juan,
Your Pro 1 and 2 are both populated with all the available sound chips, so there's no possibility (or even need) to add anything else. You'll have ROM sounds in both modules, but the RAM locations are there for you to add further sounds in the 1000 library. If you look on , you'll find a large number of RAM libraries available. If you start to audition them, you'll find that there are some wonderful sounds programmed up by the folks at Kurzweil, together with other banks from third parties. I posted my collection of sounds there as well. By working your way through the relevant libraries (remember that for the Pro 2 you might want to investigate both the SX and HX banks) you can assemble your own library of 'greatest hits' that you prefer. One thing to be aware of: The RAM library size isn't colossal. Even though there's a potential 256 locations with v.5 software, you'll probably find that you run out of RAM memory around 224 or so. That's been my experience at least. Hope this is useful info for you. David.
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Absolutely agree, yet people rave about the EMU Proteus range, which to my mind aren't a patch on the 1000 series. I think part of the problem is that the 1000 series synths are fully fledged synths with all sorts of facilities for sound mangling, whereas the Proteus originals were essentially preset sounds (and some of them were really naff).
I have to admit after 35 years that there are still bits of the synth manual I don't understand. It's the same old story - 90% of owners of any synth use presets and never attempt to program from scratch. {erhaps if Kurzweil had offered a hardware programmer a la Roland things might have been completely different?
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Ah, thanks for the clarification.
Nicole
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of David via groups.io Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 4:45 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [K1000-K1200] not sure what to do about RAM Hi Nicole, Just as a point of clarification, there were no third party chips produced for the 1000 series. Sweetwater DID produce ROM chips for the K250, and I belive that on a K250 the sounds lurk in the 700 and 800 bank locations. Hope this helps, David.
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I'm stuck using a stripped down rig right now (lack of studio space) so I'm not doing much with my 100-1200 series synths, but I'm still very interested in using the four layers in the instruments to set up some patches with vector synthesis. Right now the only thing I'm managing to do is get some P1 connectors re-soldered.
Nicole
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of David via groups.io Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 6:12 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [K1000-K1200] not sure what to do about RAM Absolutely agree, yet people rave about the EMU Proteus range, which to my mind aren't a patch on the 1000 series. I think part of the problem is that the 1000 series synths are fully fledged synths with all sorts of facilities for sound mangling, whereas the Proteus originals were essentially preset sounds (and some of them were really naff). I have to admit after 35 years that there are still bits of the synth manual I don't understand. It's the same old story - 90% of owners of any synth use presets and never attempt to program from scratch. {erhaps if Kurzweil had offered a hardware programmer a la Roland things might have been completely different?
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You could investigate the sounds in the k1000.net libraries and see how they react to layer level alteration. As with just about all synths, the later sounds developed always beat the original presets hands down.
As an aside, the DX sounds I have on my DX5, which are all third party sounds, beat the hell out of those 'classic but oh so 80s' original DX presets.
In the case of the 1000s, the original PX sounds were great, but there were some turkeys. The bowed ac. bass was a triumph of looping the plucked bass sound, but the result sounded more like a bee on valium! Likewise the original electric piano was rather naff by later standards. The one in the PX Plus and Pro 1 as used by Lyle Mays amongst others, is still fantastic. Essentially, there's a lot of wonderful sounds in the Objectmover banks to investigate.
Hope this helps!
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Just to show how good a k1200 preset sounds on my side (to my ears), only adding a bit of external fx.
Played with fatar keybed present on ensoniq asr-10.
Wind instruments on k1200 are my first option for this kind of timbres.? Nothing against actual presets, really!
Hope you like it :)
You could investigate the sounds in the libraries and see how they react to layer level alteration. As with just about all synths, the later sounds developed always beat the original presets hands down.
As an aside, the DX sounds I have on my DX5, which are all third party sounds, beat the hell out of those 'classic but oh so 80s' original DX presets.
In the case of the 1000s, the original PX sounds were great, but there were some turkeys. The bowed ac. bass was a triumph of looping the plucked bass sound, but the result sounded more like a bee on valium! Likewise the original electric piano was rather naff by later standards. The one in the PX Plus and Pro 1 as used by Lyle Mays amongst others, is still fantastic. Essentially, there's a lot of wonderful sounds in the Objectmover banks to investigate.
Hope this helps!
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Yeah, the electric piano sound in the later upgrade is amazing. That lower end growl make the sound feel, not just sound authentic. It's a visceral thing
Nicole
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of David via groups.io Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 3:33 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [K1000-K1200] not sure what to do about RAM You could investigate the sounds in the k1000.net libraries and see how they react to layer level alteration. As with just about all synths, the later sounds developed always beat the original presets hands down. As an aside, the DX sounds I have on my DX5, which are all third party sounds, beat the hell out of those 'classic but oh so 80s' original DX presets. In the case of the 1000s, the original PX sounds were great, but there were some turkeys. The bowed ac. bass was a triumph of looping the plucked bass sound, but the result sounded more like a bee on valium! Likewise the original electric piano was rather naff by later standards. The one in the PX Plus and Pro 1 as used by Lyle Mays amongst others, is still fantastic. Essentially, there's a lot of wonderful sounds in the Objectmover banks to investigate. Hope this helps!
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José Juan
