Re: New member needs advice :) K1000 keyboard flaws: missing programs & low note high note problem
Hi David, hi Michael,
thank you for your input and quick replies!
The master menu says "engine v 1.80" and "setups v 2.00".
I have not yet completely understood how the upgrade process would have to be done. Sounds complicated to me right now... I really have to take some time and read through all the info on k1000.net (sorry, still a beginner here and this is a lot of information)
True, Michael, I totally looked on the wrong program list. The keyboard has 179 programs.
I am so happy though to find out my unit is fully working!
Can't stop playing on it, the sounds are so nice.
And the thing with the sample range completely makes sense.
Thank you for the confirmation.
Before dusting off the unit everything was going crazy, screen was freezing, buttons didn't react and whatnot...
I thought, I would need spare parts and found a second k1000 keyboard this monday.
I guess this will now become a separate project :-)
This one's missing keys, sounds digitally distorted BUT has the rom extension board inside. The extension board was loose and has broken pins, a line out socket is missing and there's ugly soldering jobs on mainboard connectors. I need to completely clean it and have a closer look before starting another thread for this? :-)
Thank you both again for your help!
Jules
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Re: New member needs advice :) K1000 keyboard flaws: missing programs & low note high note problem
Hi Jules,
I think the program list you're referencing is for the K1000 PX
Expander - the rack module. The program list for the K1000 keyboard
is slightly different and has the tuning note at 179. (See page 63
of the K1000ProRef.pdf).
Some programs not playing over the whole keybed is normal. For those
instruments, either it's not possible to record usable samples in
the extreme low and high notes, and/or the samples that they are
using don't stretch well beyond the native range of the sampled
instrument. That's also why the usable range is different across the
programs you listed.
I can't explain the UART test fail, but since everything else is
working, if it was me, I'd ignore it. :-)
Best regards,
Michael
On 24/5/2023 8:21 pm,
j_u_l_e_s_b_e_r_n_a_r_d wrote:
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Hello everyone!
New K1000 keyboard owner here since last month owner :-) and very
happy to have found this community.
I have taken some time and am still trying to get to know this
beautiful machine better with the help of the precious collection
of infos on the k1000.net site.
Before unmounting the main board though, I would need some little
advice concerning the flaws explained a little further down.
Hope somebody can help :-)
So, here is what I have so far:
roms installed: u50 u51 u54 u55 u58 u59
the unit seems to be in original state without any modifications
the relay on the mainboard is a Matsushita with clear top (have
already ordered a Panasonic one just in case)
I am only testing through the headphones for now (!) and it sounds
good, all keys play, ram works, I can save sounds in user memory
Have slightly dusted off the interior and the mainboard, then did
a hard reset and went into diagnostic mode, runned all self tests
with one UART fail
?? ????? LCD VISUAL TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? BUTTON TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? PROGRAM ROM TST??? ok
?? ????? SETUP ROM TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? RAM TEST??? ??? ??? ok
?? ????? BATTERY BAK TST??? ok
?? ????? TIMER TEST??? ??? ??? ok
?? ????? UART TEST??? ??? ??? ER19>KEYBD UART DATA ERROR U102
ER19 ADDR>780001 EX>0000 OB>FF00 15-(ER19 BITS)-0
BBBBBBBB***
?? ????? ARNOLD 1 TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? ARNOLD 0 TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? SOUND ROM TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? ONE SAMPLE TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? MIDI LOOP TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? SINE WAVE TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? SEVEN SAMP TEST??? ??? ok
Now my problems:
1)
the last program is 179 (tuning note), not 184 !?
after comparing with the program list from the manual I realise 5
programs are missing:
160 (mono pressure vibrato clarinet)
158 (poly pressure vibrato clarinet)
148 (pressure tremolo vibes)
138 (mono pressure strings)
132 (piano & vibes)
It is as if they were just not on the ROM ??!?
Can somebody explain that?
2)
Programs 03 through 08 are not playable over the whole keyboard
(see list below), which means some keys to the left and some keys
to the right just make no sound. This occurs of course with all
associated programs that use the same sample soundfiles.
Changing the low note and the high note of the layer in the edit
menu doesn't change anything:
program 03 (choir) G#1 to G#6 only
program 04 (vibes) F#2 to D7 only
program 05 (acoustic bass) A0 to E4 only
program 06 (trumpet) C3 to F#6 only
program 07 (baritone horn) D#2 to A5 only
program 08 (clarinet) F2 to G#6
Funny enough, the range is different with each of these programs,
ROM tests show no errors.
Other programs like 01 (grand piano) play fine through the whole
keyboard.
Still, I pushed down all roms slightly, dusted them off and at
first sight the eprom legs don't seem to be corroded (?).
Until I am not sure that the problem doesn't lie elsewhere, I'd
rather not take them out, because they seem to sit in there quite
tightly.
So much for now - I hope someone can give me an advice.
greetings from Berlin!
Jules
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Re: New member needs advice :) K1000 keyboard flaws: missing programs & low note high note problem
Hi Jules, and welcome to the warm and wonderful world of Kurzweil 1000s!
For info, don't forget the Facebook group as well; we have some techie type folks there who can help with your diagnostic results.
Regarding your problems:
You have a basic 1000 with the base set of ROMs. Go to the main master menu and go to: 'Show version' - I think it may be 28, but it varies on modules and keyboards according to version, so yours may be different (I only have the modules myself). With each different version of the OS, the number and order of the programs was changed. It could be that your 'missing' programs are just a function of the version of the OS. Remember that part of the OS is a set of instructions that reads the ROMs and comes up with the programs using the sound data stored there. So its not that the sound data is not on the ROMs, just the program data isn't there, if you see what I mean. If you find an equivalent RAM program in the various libraries on k1000.net, you can load it up and away you go. If you get the chance, please try to get your k1000 upgraded. Even a KXA upgrade will transform it wonderfully, and the full K1200 upgrade with the A&B ROMs and v.5 software is a thing of beauty!? :-)
Regarding programs not playable across the keyboard - this is correct! Choirs vibes, bass, brass and clarinets do not have an 8 octave range in the real world, so Kurz sensibly decided to keep the ranges within believable limits. Now obviously if you had a dedicated sampler you could get a single sound and play it throughout the keyboard range. However, you would find that the results could be strange and unwanted. For instance, a double bass note six or 7 octaves higher would probably sound like a banjo! Great fun for about 2 minutes, but you won't want to use it for authentic band arrangements. See what I mean?
Kurzweil was always about giving you the best and most authentic sounds, and the quality still stands up 30 years later. That's why I love mine (I have 11 modules, and wouldn't change them for anything), and they compare very well even with today's instruments.
Hope this all helps - have fun!
Best wishes,
David.
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New member needs advice :) K1000 keyboard flaws: missing programs & low note high note problem
Hello everyone!
New K1000 keyboard owner here since last month owner :-) and very happy to have found this community.
I have taken some time and am still trying to get to know this beautiful machine better with the help of the precious collection of infos on the k1000.net site.
Before unmounting the main board though, I would need some little advice concerning the flaws explained a little further down.
Hope somebody can help :-)
So, here is what I have so far:
roms installed: u50 u51 u54 u55 u58 u59
the unit seems to be in original state without any modifications
the relay on the mainboard is a Matsushita with clear top (have already ordered a Panasonic one just in case)
I am only testing through the headphones for now (!) and it sounds good, all keys play, ram works, I can save sounds in user memory
Have slightly dusted off the interior and the mainboard, then did a hard reset and went into diagnostic mode, runned all self tests with one UART fail
?? ????? LCD VISUAL TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? BUTTON TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? PROGRAM ROM TST??? ok
?? ????? SETUP ROM TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? RAM TEST??? ??? ??? ok
?? ????? BATTERY BAK TST??? ok
?? ????? TIMER TEST??? ??? ??? ok
?? ????? UART TEST??? ??? ??? ER19>KEYBD UART DATA ERROR U102 ER19 ADDR>780001 EX>0000 OB>FF00 15-(ER19 BITS)-0 BBBBBBBB***
?? ????? ARNOLD 1 TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? ARNOLD 0 TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? SOUND ROM TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? ONE SAMPLE TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? MIDI LOOP TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? SINE WAVE TEST??? ??? ok
?? ????? SEVEN SAMP TEST??? ??? ok
Now my problems:
1)
the last program is 179 (tuning note), not 184 !?
after comparing with the program list from the manual I realise 5 programs are missing:
160 (mono pressure vibrato clarinet)
158 (poly pressure vibrato clarinet)
148 (pressure tremolo vibes)
138 (mono pressure strings)
132 (piano & vibes)
It is as if they were just not on the ROM ??!?
Can somebody explain that?
2)
Programs 03 through 08 are not playable over the whole keyboard (see list below), which means some keys to the left and some keys to the right just make no sound. This occurs of course with all associated programs that use the same sample soundfiles.
Changing the low note and the high note of the layer in the edit menu doesn't change anything:
program 03 (choir) G#1 to G#6 only
program 04 (vibes) F#2 to D7 only
program 05 (acoustic bass) A0 to E4 only
program 06 (trumpet) C3 to F#6 only
program 07 (baritone horn) D#2 to A5 only
program 08 (clarinet) F2 to G#6
Funny enough, the range is different with each of these programs, ROM tests show no errors.
Other programs like 01 (grand piano) play fine through the whole keyboard.
Still, I pushed down all roms slightly, dusted them off and at first sight the eprom legs don't seem to be corroded (?).
Until I am not sure that the problem doesn't lie elsewhere, I'd rather not take them out, because they seem to sit in there quite tightly.
So much for now - I hope someone can give me an advice.
greetings from Berlin!
Jules
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Re: New member, old member; Upgraded my units; Questions
I don't know if there's anything on the page with the upgrades over on K1000.net about this. David didn't elaborate much on what he discussed with Kurzweil, past the basic information that we could use them as users but we couldn't derive any profit from their use. They were aimed at us users only. I suspect paying someone to do the chip burning and installation wouldn't cause any problems, but I'm not aware of any of the other details. I also don't know of any upload of a hardcopy agreement between him and Kurzweil.
Hope that helps some.
Nicole Massey
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of alex@... Sent: Monday, April 03, 2023 11:04 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [K1000-K1200] New member, old member; Upgraded my units; Questions Hi Nicole, I am new to this group, so I wanted to ask you - if you could elaborate on David Brown's agreement with Kurzweil regarding sharing the binaries - to which degree we as a users of a pretty outdated K1000s are free to share (and modify, wink-wink) the ROM images? Currently, I am actively reverse-engineering both Engine, Setup, and Sound ROMs with a lot of ideas on what I want to achieve as a result - e.g. ability to freely mix-and-match programs from different modules, but if sharing the results of my efforts will be frowned upon by Kurzweil folks - then I need to think twice how to go about it... Please let me know what you think about this, thanks! Alexey.
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Re: New member, old member; Upgraded my units; Questions
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of alex@...
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2023 11:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [K1000-K1200] New member, old member; Upgraded my units; Questions? Hi Nicole,
? I am new to this group, so I wanted to ask you - if you could elaborate on David Brown's agreement with Kurzweil regarding sharing the binaries - to which degree we as a users of a pretty outdated K1000s are free to share (and modify, wink-wink) the ROM images? Currently, I am actively reverse-engineering both Engine, Setup, and Sound ROMs with a lot of ideas on what I want to achieve as a result - e.g. ability to freely mix-and-match programs from different modules, but if sharing the results of my efforts will be frowned upon by Kurzweil folks - then I need to think twice how to go about it...
? Please let me know what you think about this, thanks!
Alexey.
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Re: New member, old member; Upgraded my units; Questions
Hi Nicole,
? I am new to this group, so I wanted to ask you - if you could elaborate on David Brown's agreement with Kurzweil regarding sharing the binaries - to which degree we as a users of a pretty outdated K1000s are free to share (and modify, wink-wink) the ROM images? Currently, I am actively reverse-engineering both Engine, Setup, and Sound ROMs with a lot of ideas on what I want to achieve as a result - e.g. ability to freely mix-and-match programs from different modules, but if sharing the results of my efforts will be frowned upon by Kurzweil folks - then I need to think twice how to go about it...
? Please let me know what you think about this, thanks!
Alexey.
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Re: K1000 midi receive latency?
Ah, yes, chain link. There's something so satisfying when you can hold down the sustain pedal and do a real harp or piano gliss up or down the keyboard and not have any note stealing going on. That feature is why I have thirteen of these instruments.
Nicole
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Smithers Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 1:37 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [K1000-K1200] K1000 midi receive latency? Hi David, Interesting. Thanks. Yes, the MIDI is direct from the Korg D1 to the K1000. I also have a new K2700 which I haven't tried MIDI'ing to the K1000's yet; maybe it's just the Korg. And I should say what I'm hearing is subtle, so maybe it's just me. :-) I was very interested to see that the K1000's have the huge polyphony capability where each K1000 can be 1 of 12, 2 of 12 etc. in a chain.. and since Kurzweil facilitated this use case, I guess the MIDI latency can't be too bad. Cheers, Michael On 20/2/2023 7:54 pm, David via groups.io wrote: Hi Michael, this is a new one to me. I've never experienced latency with any of my Kurzweils, and I run them from a Yamaha DX5. Are you connected your Korg directly to your K1000 or going through a computer? I'm still running mine through an Atari STE and Notator (last crash: 1996!) and there are no timing problems. Mind you, a friend who set up a studio with a brand new Toshiba laptop found that the MIDI latency was awful and with VSTs basically unusable. When he rang Toshiba to enquire, they said 'yes, we know about that'! David.
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Thanks. Good to know.
(That's sounds like an awesome system!)
Michael
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On 21/2/2023 4:14 am, Nicole Massey wrote: I'm daisy chaining four pro1's and four pro2's from a single MIDI feed, and there is not a hint of latency. My GX modules are also wired up the same way, though behind a Proteus 1 and an Alesis DM4, and again, no latency issues at all. There's not a hint of it when the K1000 SE MkII Extended is interacting with the Pro 1 cluster either, so though it might be some sort of cheap cable problem (which I've never experienced either) I'm suspecting it's outside the Kurzweil modules.
Nicole
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 2:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [K1000-K1200] K1000 midi receive latency?
Hi Michael,
this is a new one to me. I've never experienced latency with any of my Kurzweils, and I run them from a Yamaha DX5.
Are you connected your Korg directly to your K1000 or going through a computer? I'm still running mine through an Atari STE and Notator (last crash: 1996!) and there are no timing problems.
Mind you, a friend who set up a studio with a brand new Toshiba laptop found that the MIDI latency was awful and with VSTs basically unusable. When he rang Toshiba to enquire, they said 'yes, we know about that'!
David.
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Re: K1000 midi receive latency?
Hi David,
Interesting. Thanks. Yes, the MIDI is direct from the Korg D1 to the
K1000. I also have a new K2700 which I haven't tried MIDI'ing to the
K1000's yet; maybe it's just the Korg.
And I should say what I'm hearing is subtle, so maybe it's just me.
:-)
I was very interested to see that the K1000's have the huge
polyphony capability where each K1000 can be 1 of 12, 2 of 12 etc.
in a chain.. and since Kurzweil facilitated this use case, I guess
the MIDI latency can't be too bad.
Cheers,
Michael
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Hi Michael,
this is a new one to me. I've never experienced latency with any
of my Kurzweils, and I run them from a Yamaha DX5.
Are you connected your Korg directly to your K1000 or going
through a computer? I'm still running mine through an Atari STE
and Notator (last crash: 1996!) and there are no timing problems.
Mind you, a friend who set up a studio with a brand new Toshiba
laptop found that the MIDI latency was awful and with VSTs
basically unusable. When he rang Toshiba to enquire, they said
'yes, we know about that'!
David.
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I'm daisy chaining four pro1's and four pro2's from a single MIDI feed, and there is not a hint of latency. My GX modules are also wired up the same way, though behind a Proteus 1 and an Alesis DM4, and again, no latency issues at all. There's not a hint of it when the K1000 SE MkII Extended is interacting with the Pro 1 cluster either, so though it might be some sort of cheap cable problem (which I've never experienced either) I'm suspecting it's outside the Kurzweil modules.
Nicole
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of David via groups.io Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 2:55 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [K1000-K1200] K1000 midi receive latency? Hi Michael, this is a new one to me. I've never experienced latency with any of my Kurzweils, and I run them from a Yamaha DX5. Are you connected your Korg directly to your K1000 or going through a computer? I'm still running mine through an Atari STE and Notator (last crash: 1996!) and there are no timing problems. Mind you, a friend who set up a studio with a brand new Toshiba laptop found that the MIDI latency was awful and with VSTs basically unusable. When he rang Toshiba to enquire, they said 'yes, we know about that'! David.
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Re: K1000 midi receive latency?
Hello,
Did you try a reset?
Jos¨¦ Juan?
Hi All,
Since repairing my K1000SE, I bought another K1000, replaced both LCD's
with OLED screens and upgraded all the ROM's to Pro-76 (or K1200 Pro 1
Expander) equivalent.
I love them but I have a question w.r.t. MIDI latency. Sometimes I drive
the K1000's over MIDI from a Korg D1 piano. It often seems like I'm
hearing chords spread out, and even the start of the chords is slightly
delayed, although the latter is not on every patch..... I hear it mostly
on piano patches.
Has anyone experienced this? I'm wondering if the sample-based patches -
like piano - may be slightly late just due to the way the piano hits
have been sampled and cropped (unlike synth patches where the waveform
generation starts immediately).
When I listen to the Korg D1, it's sounds are more immediate. But maybe
it's just me. It's hard to do a double blind test. :-)
BTW I still haven't been able to get the K1000SE aftertouch working yet.
Cheers,
Michael
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Re: K1000 midi receive latency?
Hi Michael,
this is a new one to me. I've never experienced latency with any of my Kurzweils, and I run them from a Yamaha DX5.
Are you connected your Korg directly to your K1000 or going through a computer? I'm still running mine through an Atari STE and Notator (last crash: 1996!) and there are no timing problems.
Mind you, a friend who set up a studio with a brand new Toshiba laptop found that the MIDI latency was awful and with VSTs basically unusable. When he rang Toshiba to enquire, they said 'yes, we know about that'!
David.
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Re: not sure what to do about RAM
Yeah, the electric piano sound in the later upgrade is amazing. That lower end growl make the sound feel, not just sound authentic. It's a visceral thing
Nicole
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of David via groups.io Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 3:33 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [K1000-K1200] not sure what to do about RAM You could investigate the sounds in the k1000.net libraries and see how they react to layer level alteration. As with just about all synths, the later sounds developed always beat the original presets hands down. As an aside, the DX sounds I have on my DX5, which are all third party sounds, beat the hell out of those 'classic but oh so 80s' original DX presets. In the case of the 1000s, the original PX sounds were great, but there were some turkeys. The bowed ac. bass was a triumph of looping the plucked bass sound, but the result sounded more like a bee on valium! Likewise the original electric piano was rather naff by later standards. The one in the PX Plus and Pro 1 as used by Lyle Mays amongst others, is still fantastic. Essentially, there's a lot of wonderful sounds in the Objectmover banks to investigate. Hope this helps!
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K1000 midi receive latency?
Hi All,
Since repairing my K1000SE, I bought another K1000, replaced both LCD's with OLED screens and upgraded all the ROM's to Pro-76 (or K1200 Pro 1 Expander) equivalent.
I love them but I have a question w.r.t. MIDI latency. Sometimes I drive the K1000's over MIDI from a Korg D1 piano. It often seems like I'm hearing chords spread out, and even the start of the chords is slightly delayed, although the latter is not on every patch..... I hear it mostly on piano patches.
Has anyone experienced this? I'm wondering if the sample-based patches - like piano - may be slightly late just due to the way the piano hits have been sampled and cropped (unlike synth patches where the waveform generation starts immediately).
When I listen to the Korg D1, it's sounds are more immediate. But maybe it's just me. It's hard to do a double blind test. :-)
BTW I still haven't been able to get the K1000SE aftertouch working yet.
Cheers,
Michael
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Just to show how good a k1200 preset sounds on my side (to my ears), only adding a bit of external fx.
Played with fatar keybed present on ensoniq asr-10.
Wind instruments on k1200 are my first option for this kind of timbres.? Nothing against actual presets, really!
Hope you like it :)
You could investigate the sounds in the libraries and see how they react to layer level alteration. As with just about all synths, the later sounds developed always beat the original presets hands down.
As an aside, the DX sounds I have on my DX5, which are all third party sounds, beat the hell out of those 'classic but oh so 80s' original DX presets.
In the case of the 1000s, the original PX sounds were great, but there were some turkeys. The bowed ac. bass was a triumph of looping the plucked bass sound, but the result sounded more like a bee on valium! Likewise the original electric piano was rather naff by later standards. The one in the PX Plus and Pro 1 as used by Lyle Mays amongst others, is still fantastic. Essentially, there's a lot of wonderful sounds in the Objectmover banks to investigate.
Hope this helps!
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You could investigate the sounds in the k1000.net libraries and see how they react to layer level alteration. As with just about all synths, the later sounds developed always beat the original presets hands down.
As an aside, the DX sounds I have on my DX5, which are all third party sounds, beat the hell out of those 'classic but oh so 80s' original DX presets.
In the case of the 1000s, the original PX sounds were great, but there were some turkeys. The bowed ac. bass was a triumph of looping the plucked bass sound, but the result sounded more like a bee on valium! Likewise the original electric piano was rather naff by later standards. The one in the PX Plus and Pro 1 as used by Lyle Mays amongst others, is still fantastic. Essentially, there's a lot of wonderful sounds in the Objectmover banks to investigate.
Hope this helps!
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I'm stuck using a stripped down rig right now (lack of studio space) so I'm not doing much with my 100-1200 series synths, but I'm still very interested in using the four layers in the instruments to set up some patches with vector synthesis. Right now the only thing I'm managing to do is get some P1 connectors re-soldered.
Nicole
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of David via groups.io Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 6:12 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [K1000-K1200] not sure what to do about RAM Absolutely agree, yet people rave about the EMU Proteus range, which to my mind aren't a patch on the 1000 series. I think part of the problem is that the 1000 series synths are fully fledged synths with all sorts of facilities for sound mangling, whereas the Proteus originals were essentially preset sounds (and some of them were really naff). I have to admit after 35 years that there are still bits of the synth manual I don't understand. It's the same old story - 90% of owners of any synth use presets and never attempt to program from scratch. {erhaps if Kurzweil had offered a hardware programmer a la Roland things might have been completely different?
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Re: not sure what to do about RAM
Ah, thanks for the clarification.
Nicole
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of David via groups.io Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 4:45 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [K1000-K1200] not sure what to do about RAM Hi Nicole, Just as a point of clarification, there were no third party chips produced for the 1000 series. Sweetwater DID produce ROM chips for the K250, and I belive that on a K250 the sounds lurk in the 700 and 800 bank locations. Hope this helps, David.
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Absolutely agree, yet people rave about the EMU Proteus range, which to my mind aren't a patch on the 1000 series. I think part of the problem is that the 1000 series synths are fully fledged synths with all sorts of facilities for sound mangling, whereas the Proteus originals were essentially preset sounds (and some of them were really naff).
I have to admit after 35 years that there are still bits of the synth manual I don't understand. It's the same old story - 90% of owners of any synth use presets and never attempt to program from scratch. {erhaps if Kurzweil had offered a hardware programmer a la Roland things might have been completely different?
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Jos¨¦ Juan