Andrew:

??? This is exactly the problem I'm wrestling with.?? Multihulls have limited load carrying capacity, and as Bernd mentioned I've been looking at some of Jim Brown's Searunners, and to get the same payload means going with the 37 footer........ that's a BIG boat.?? The problem of course is what constitutes "payload" and "dry weight" is something I believe varies significantly from designer to designer, and as Bernd pointed out, it's easy to over build, and people have a tendency to doll boats up with pretty stuff that is not particularly valuable, but adds to weight.?? I am beginning to realize that virtually all small multihulls are overloaded when making passages.?
??? The only way I can see to judge real world weight and payload for an individual boat meaningfully, would be to have the boat sitting in the water as equipped..... rig, anchors and rode, and other known items, then load it using plastic drums of water or sand bags, etc until it was sitting at LWL.?? This would give a real world working payload...... each drum of water would work out to about 215 kg, and they could be properly distributed and filled using a pump and siphoned out.??? I consider something like this a reasonable first step before even doing a survey.? Can it realistically do what I want to do is the first question.??
??? I'm mostly a single hander....... it's my nature, I enjoy solitude, however it's only logical on a long passage, say the Canaries to Barbados, or Panama to the Pacific Islands to take on a crew member.? That alone adds up to about 250 lbs of human flesh and gear, plus 4.2 pounds of water per day, and probably 3 pounds of food....... Let's say 500 total additional pounds for a crossing including a safety margin.??? As Bernd points out a watermaker makes sense when looking at 250 pounds of water plus containers..... a human powered water maker would be great.... You want a fresh water shower... start pedaling!?? A water maker also makes it possible to reduce the weight of food stores.?? Things like beans, rice, noodles, dried foods, etc, all require water to prepare, and are all light weight high energy foods.?? You can only reduce spares by having fewer systems / simpler systems.? The junk rig with it's free standing mast(s) eliminates all standing rigging.? It doesn't require winches, or a mast with a track and slides, it doesn't require a traveler or a vang, and it only has a single sail per mast.? Tacking is almost a simple as making a lane change in your car.? You can reef with a cup of coffee in one hand without spilling it.? Blondie Hassler crossed the Atlantic in Jester wearing bedroom slippers...... or so he claimed.??? In my book, simple is best, even if it means sacrificing a bit of convenience, and speed.??? Simpler ultimately ends up being lighter in most cases.?? How much stuff can I NOT have??? Pumped water and flush toilets are at the top of the list to eliminate.?? A plastic jug with a spigot on a shelf is "running water".?? A black plastic bag hanging in the sun.... solar shower / water heater.??? Propane bottles weigh nearly as much as the fuel in them, and are an absurd cooking fuel for a light weight boat.?? I've seen photos of big heavy wooden tables in the saloon on these boats........? absurd dead weight that takes displaces payload.?? Looking at the interior photos of cats, one sees all kinds places where weight could be removed or reduced.??

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On 11/23/2017 05:16 PM, andrewklees@... [k-designs] wrote: