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Re: CD sales vs pirate downloads.
I haven't been following this thread too much, but I don't think the
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reasons labels aren't making "the money they used to" is any part of the reason, really. Rap/Pop artists still make lots of money if they are able to break through; problem is that the playlists of most radio stations are super-narrow. It's so stupid to turn on a "classic rock" station, and hear the same old songs in rotation, instead of a greater variety. The market has changed a lot as well, we now have iTunes, the 'net, satellite radio, etc, but they're mostly playing the same ol' crap. People in general aren't interested in "music", and now with technological advances, it's even easier to "share" music. I believe that has indeed had an effect on "major labels", what are there now, 3 of them? In much the way it has happened in other types of businesses, consolidation and shrinkage have also narrowed the scope of the market in music. Someone like George Avakian, or Teo Macero, et at, wouldn't have a job in this day & age, as A&R is pretty much nonexistent... I think it's about time the market/law is updated to cover musicians' and composers' rights. And I do think piracy has indeed had a major effect in the music marketplace. Cheers, JV Juan Vega In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:01:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
will@... writes: Major labels are not making the money they used to quite simply because they do not publish music that people are interested in listening to. Rather than investing in writing talent they blame piracy and keep re-hashing old standards that have been recorded a 1000 times. |
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Re: CD sales vs pirate downloads.
Will
Bobby,
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Then we will have to agree to differ. Will
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Re: CD sales vs pirate downloads.
Hi Will,
You are missing my point.While this is certainly worth discussion, it is neither applicable nor correct in the assessment of the current situation. To assume that the state of the music business is caused by either a lack of talent or a lack of development of talent by the record companies is just not true at all. In fact, to assume that there are no good writers around is not correct either. To take it out of the music business, here's an example for you. The N.Y. Times was the first newspaper to publish on the Web for free, feeling that information should be free on the Web. Just about every newspaper followed their example, and just about every newspaper, including the N.Y. Times is now going belly-up. Trust me - I get your point. I just don't agree with it at all. Bobby |
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Re: CD sales vs pirate downloads.
Will
Bobby,
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You are missing my point. Major labels are not making the money they used to quite simply because they do not publish music that people are interested in listening to. Rather than investing in writing talent they blame piracy and keep re-hashing old standards that have been recorded a 1000 times. There are no Holland¨CDozier¨CHolland, no Lennon/McCartney or Goffin-King writing teams any more. Creative artistes need room to breath and develop but this does not fit into current business plans for a quick return. When I was in the industry in the 1980s a top ten UK entry could be achieved with just 3000 sales - back in the 1960s it took 20 times that. File sharing wasn`t around in the 1980s so that can`t be blamed for sales loss. Will I am not advocating piracy and I realise it has some effectYes, you are, and every argument you present supports this. |
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Re: CD sales vs pirate downloads.
...Many people opposed to the bill agree in principle with its aims: Illegal music piracy is, well, illegal, and should be stopped. Musicians, artists and content creators should be compensated for their work. But the laws critics do not believe that giving the federal government the right to shut down websites at will based upon a vague and arbitrary standard of evidence, even if no law-breaking has been proved, is a particularly good idea....This is exactly what happens in every other form of publishing and distribution. Why would it be a "not particularly good idea" to apply it to the Internet as well? If the Internet pirates (Google, &c - you know - paupers every one) have their way, the musicians will die broke long before the issue is dealt with. Bobby |
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Re: CD sales vs pirate downloads.
The mass availability of Beatles materialYou know this how? Can you tell us for a certainty how many people would have, but didn't, buy the collection because they were able to download it for free? Will, you are a great guy, so my singleing you out may seem unfair, but I've heard these arguments far too often for far too long. If the cabbie forgets to start the meter, it's for certain that folks will ride for free, and it's just that simple. best, Bobby |
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Re: CD sales vs pirate downloads.
I am not advocating piracy and I realise it has some effectYes, you are, and every argument you present supports this. Odd to me is how many recording studios take your stand as well. When artists finally figure out that they can no longer afford to invest in a recording project destined to make no money, who exactly is it that they think will support them? Bobby |
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Re: Charlie Christian Licks
Yea he did have 'hot' licks and he did rock with passion.
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I'll tell you one thing for sure. I'm a visual artist and a member of a lot of these yahoo groups and this particular creative group rocks like none of the others (or should I say swings). All the folks that make this amazing group happen do it out of a labor of love, pure and simple, and that is what jazz is all about and why it continues to thrive as the greatest American art form ever created. john --- In jazz_guitar@..., "pecpec" <p_crist@...> wrote:
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Re: CD sales vs pirate downloads.
Will
When did MGM last publish a really great original song?
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A song that will become a standard and remembered for generations? Will
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Re: CD sales vs pirate downloads.
Will
Alisdair,
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I am aware that Susan Boyle is the centre of mass marketing, just like quite a few other artistes. She would not have got anywhere without the backing she had - she is just perfect for re-hashing well worn songs; so much easier than supporting creative genuine writing talents. I am not advocating piracy and I realise it has some effect but do not think it affects mainstream sales as much as is claimed. When The Beatles released the "Number Ones" CD a few years ago it instantly went global and pushed McCartney into Billionaire status. These are tracks that have been published in various forms dozens of times and it was before the current clampdown on file sharing. The mass availability of Beatles material via the net didn`t prevent huge sales. My point is that music sales have dropped every year since the 1960`s peak - simply because people are not anywhere near as interested in current music. Will Will, I have to admit to being completely confused as to where you are coming from. |
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Re: Charlie Christian Licks
John Amato
john,
Check out this free pdf. file of "Charlie Christian's Approach" Here's a great book, "The Best of Charlie Christian: A Step-by-Step Breakdown of the Styles and Techniques of the Father of Modern Jazz Guitar (Guitar Signature Licks) [Paperback]" John Amato Isaiah 55:11 ________________________________ From:john <deanwork2003@...> To:jazz_guitar@... Sent:Fri, November 19, 2010 9:55:20 AM Subject:[jazz_guitar] Charlie Christian Licks What did you guys say is the best book for learning the technique and "riffs" of Charlie Christian? I"ve always been attracted to his work. What I love about him and Django too is how natural their lines sound, riffs or not. In a way they invented jazz guitar ( Pass was a huge Django fan and Wes a huge Christian fan). They also have a ton of humor in their solos. That is something that is often missing in ultra serious music today, humor and wit. It seems they weren't burdened by all the theory that can bog us down. john --- In jazz_guitar@..., Bob Hansmann <bobbybmusic@...> wrote:
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Re: Charlie Christian Licks
WELL THANK YOU MARK! That would be amazing! I can't think of a better thing for many of us amateurs to study.
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I see everyone worships CC. Why not. j I will upload it to the file section. |
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Re: Charlie Christian Licks
and that is even better
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That Mel Bay book on guitar rhythm chord technique was really helpful for me in learning chords that fit together in the same position on the neck while comping fast. j And I like the fact that it has slow and fast recordings of the solos, which the Marshall books never do.
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Senate panel approves domain name seizure bill
A controversial proposal allowing the government to pull the plug on Web sites accused of aiding piracy is closer to becoming a federal law.
After a flurry of last-minute lobbying from representatives of content providers including the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), a Senate committee approved the measure today by a unanimous vote. In the last week, support for the bill known as COICA, for Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act, broadened beyond groups traditionally active in online copyright disputes to include the Newspaper Association of America, which said the legislation was needed because online piracy "undermines the investments that newspapers make in journalism." Labor unions, including the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, argued that American workers "have suffered significant harm due to theft of copyrighted and trademarked goods." An ad appeared in a newspaper targeting Capitol Hill yesterday signed by groups including Major League Baseball, the NFL, Nintendo, and Viacom. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce pressed Congress to move quickly, and even Rob McKenna, Washington state attorney general, signed on to the effort. "Those seeking to thwart this bipartisan bill are protecting online thieves and those who gain pleasure and profit from de-valuing American property," Mitch Bainwol, RIAA chairman, said after today's vote. "We congratulate Chairman Leahy and Senator Hatch for their leadership on this bill and to the Senate Judiciary Committee for its action today." (Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat and chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, and Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican, are cosponsors of COICA.) |
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RIAA to court: Lime Wire violated injunction.
"The RIAA, the trade group for the major labels, asked the court yesterday in a 20-page document to appoint a "receiver" to ensure that Lime Wire complies with the injunction issued last month by U.S. District Court Judge Kimba Wood in the Southern District of New York. After hearing evidence presented by the RIAA, as part of the group's federal copyright complaint filed against Lime Wire in 2007, Wood ordered the company to disable "the searching, downloading, uploading, file trading...and/or all functionality" of the LimeWire software."
"In the court documents the RIAA filed with the court, which were heavily redacted, the group claimed that someone launched the site Metapirate.com and started providing users with "several links to download the LimeWire Pirate Edition." The RIAA said the site was created by someone "either formerly or presently a Lime Wire employee." The RIAA has requested that Lime Wire assist with an investigation into the identity of the person calling himself or herself "Meta Pirate."" |
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Re: Charlie Christian Licks
On Nov 19, 2010, at 12:48 PM, pecpec wrote:
"Licks" was aThe word licks has a country connotation to it for me. One last step lower is Lead. eeeeeewwwwww. Ron Living and playing outside the box. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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