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From: jimlil00@...
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To: jazz_guitar@...
Subject: [jazz_guitar] Re: Jimmy Bruno and Downbeat
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:13:10 -0000

The only comment I have seen about Metheney from Bruno was in a
response to a question regarding current players and when Metheny's
name was mentioned Bruno said something like " Metheney plays jazz?"

Mark I find your remarks hard to swallow. Modern jazz (bop
originated) is a wonderful art form. Metheney may be a brilliant
musician and an inovator but his music puts me to sleep. Its more for
the background to a tv program on the mating of sperm whales than the
music of the the city, blues, drugs, slavery, poverty, and
prohibition
that is echoed in swing/bop. I'm not putting him down for what he
does, I just do not like what he does.
Since you seem to have made your mind up on Bruno, I offer you a
challenge for the two guitatists on the same grounds.
List to Metheney's solo on "Blues For Pat" on Joshua Redman's album
and then listen to Jimmy's solo on "Au Privave" off the Live at
Birdland cd. In the same tune form, you tell me who is more
innovative
and imaginative.
Let your ears decide.


--- In jazz_guitar@y..., Mark Stanley <bucketfullopuke@y...> wrote:

Welcome to the group. I think it's a good place for all of
us to express our opinions.

You might want to check out the thread about Bruno and see
what I think about hardcore jazzer's who seem really close
minded and elitist. It is just my opinion, but I think it
really stinks.

Whether you like Metheny or not, he is the player of his
day, like Wes was to his and Charlie Christian to his, and
so on. I happen to think Metheny is a complete freakin'
genius, from his tone to his compositions to his
improvising. He is incredibly prolific, dedicated and true
to his art.. I know what you mean about certain player's
tone's. I cant really get with Mike Stern's tone, but I like
his playing. I am pretty much against any processed guitar
sound, which I know Metheny uses exclusively now w/ the
digitech 2120 Artist rig (and I can hear the difference in a
bad way).

Whatever Bruno said about Pat is probably something that I
will find very arrogant and close minded ("but I will fight
to the death for his right to say it" -Voltaire), as is the
case with most "old school" bebopers, whose lines you can
hear a mile away.

That being said, I'd still like to know what Bruno said. I'd
also like to hear him make 30 years of "original" music that
is cutting edge (most of it) and will stand the test of time
like Pat has. If he's like most of these guys living in the
bebop past, he probably writes a bunch of what I would call
POOP. (salt peanuts, salt peanuts) We've evolved here, ya
know. I guess one man's God can be another man's clown,
that's cool. -Mark

PS- "Pat Metheny, I mean he can play, but..." you might want
to back that up with a link to your own playing...-Devil's
Advocate


--- "J. Randall (Randy) Groves"
<bebopguitar@y...> wrote:

Hello Jazzers: I'm new to the group, and I am
interested in the Bruno
thread. I am a big fan of Bruno. He and Robert Conti
seem to be the
chops gods at the moment. Metheney? Did anyone ever
post what Bruno
said? My view: Metheney can play, but I can't stand
that digital
delay sound. It is so mushy! Every once in a while I
try to listen to
him, but give up after a few minutes. I last bought
the
Metheny/Scofield thing: nebulous jamming and
terrible tone on both
guitars. I prefer an acoustic archtop sound
(although Bruno has been
doing a lot on a solid body Benedetto--the "Benny'
lately). My two
cents.

Randy Groves