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Hi Angelo,
I saw this coming, and I'm going to try to respond, but you and I are
not going to see eye to eye on this ever, so read at your own discretion.

On 10/18/2010 6:14 PM, Angelo wrote:

It's definitely the point. He is only interested in publicity for himself.
Isn't this the guy who had a reality show? He's a publicity hound and
that's
why he's getting involved. He smells a buck. Nobody wants his music. They
don't even steal it and probably wouldn't take it if he gave it away for
nothing......
Yet, you give him "hero" props... smh

Well, somebody must like their music because they've sold multiple
millions of records, and they still perform to large, packed venues. If
his greed for publicity is his motive, so what? At least he's doing
something, and he's got the soapbox (and legal fees) in which to do it.

And the biggest thieves are the recording industry....

Ya know, I keep hearing this. Why izzit that now that they are being
done away with, nobody is making money anymore. Great, ya got a grammy
for your youtube video, now how are ya gonna pay the rent?

In previous posts, I was all over the record companies, ASCAP, the
Union, &c - all of them, for not properly representing the interests of
their rosters. In short, they gave the store away. But the billions that
the whole industry is now losing to pirates far overshadows any problems
the industry encountered in the past.

So what? It means they have figured out how to make money without

suing and
prosecuting people. They are rich. I don't feel sorry for them...

You don't think they sue? What planet are you living on? These guys are
serious businessmen, and thinking they don't steal from eachother and
sue eachother is about as naive as one can get. Hell, they shoot
eachother...

What I see is that you and others here are giving the record company

pimps
a free ride as to their complicity in this... They refuse to take less
profit and look into new models of sale. How is it that Apple is making a
small fortune from iTunes? Couldn't the record company come up with a new
model? Instead, they take the war on drugs model of prosecuting the end
user. We all know how successful that was (is)..

Apple is making a fortune with ITunes by being in the forefront of
having not paid royalties where due. And even when they do pay, the
scale for the artist is worse than any deal ever cut with a record
company, including record clubs.

I'm repeating the same advice I gave to the dinosaurs, "Adapt, or die"...

I believe that, Angelo. I guess they just refused to listen.

Dave has defended his publishing company right

into the ground. Is that enough for you?

No, it's not. Are you telling me thousands of people are pirating
copies of
"Try A Little Tenderness?" .I'm not sure who he is defending the company
against..

A quick search of the tune on Youtube just yielded:

About *1,420* results

Multiply this number by the number of hits each one of those gets
worldwide, and tell me if you think that the product is worth trying to
protect.

My point is that it's the large corporations, the same ones who have
marketed good music out of the picture, who are "suffering" because of
piracy - and over-priced product. $20 for a Kiss cd??? Gag!

Your point is off target. You're just too cheap to buy records.

I have bought thousands of records, CD, and DVD's over my lifetime.

I don't

buy them now because they are junk and only have one tune worth

listening

per item. Not a good enough ratio for me..>

Just about every tune on the older jazz and even pop albums was enjoyable.
That can't be said for the trash the record company execs create these
days.. They're not even worth stealing.. Not to me, anyway...

You mean you bought them back when you told the dinosaurs to adapt or
die. Your defense of thieves, whether or not you personally either like
or buy the records is really the point. Is it that you truly are jealous
of musicians who manage to succeed, or that if you don't like it, then
it's ok if someone steals it?

The Teachers Union in NY sucks... but that's another thread.

No it's not. It's exactly the point. The Teachers union in NY is one of
the most powerful unions in the country. It has provided your raises,
your tenure, your medical benefits, your sick days, your vacations, your
livelihood, your security. And you have the audacity to say it sucks.
Just how well would you do on your own against, say, Michelle Rhee?

Musicians (even Gene Simmons, whether you like him or not) take
tremendous risks to be in the business at all. NYC teachers take none,
and have no concept of what it's like to be someone who has to It's why
most of them became public school teachers in the first place - for
security, benefits pension, &c. The musicians are not asking for raises,
pension, security, benefits, or any free ride. All they are asking for
in this is for their duly copyrighted materials to be protected by the
laws that are on the books and are supposed to protect them.

You, who have been all but breast-fed by the teachers Union, have a
problem with this because you think CDs are overpriced.

I also belonged to Local 802 which was an extension of the clubs. They
extorted money from musicians and did nothing to the clubs who were in
violations of the by-laws. Because the union was run by and the clubs were
owned by the same "Organization", the musicians were screwed...AND the
composers didn't get dick...

For better or worse, 802 is the only real game in town for musicians. It
ain't no AFTRA, and it certainly ain't no teacher's union, and it does
suck, as you say. But kicking out the legs from underneath it is not
going to solve anything. Musicians have to press them to finally get off
their asses and represent them properly. Hell, I can think of 3 lawyers
right off the top of my head who could take on this problem with
hundreds of lawsuits if the agencies which are supposed to represent
their clients would step up to the plate - but that would just piss you
off, because, of course, musicians are supposed to exist for your
convenience.

For you, of all people, to make these comments is callous and

hypocritical.

Yada, yada, yada.... ad hominum, as a last resort (or is that "retort"?)

always works... (i!) <--irony alert

That's a crap answer and you know it. I won't even address it.

"He who lives by the sword, etc..."

Exactly.

I don't sound like it right now, but I really do like you,
Bobby

I'm not on this earth to be liked :-)

Believe it,
Bobby


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