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Most of the female authors of the time before and during the life of Jane
Austen are barely known and rarely discussed. The one who are at least
remembered in academic papers are mostly remembered because Austen
mentioned them in a letter or her books.

I think it is true that most of the female authors before or around
the time of Jane Auste are known only if they are connected with some
famous person.
Charlotte Smith is amon those who has no name recognition outside 18th
century, literary feminist and romantic scholars groups. Ellen

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:10?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io
<regencyresearcher@...> wrote:

Most of the female authors of the time before and during the life of Jane
Austen are barely known and rarely discussed. The one who are at least
remembered in academic papers are mostly remembered because Austen
mentioned them in a letter or her books.

Dale Spender collected books and biographies of 100 female authors before
Jane Austen. Authors she felt should have some recognition, if only that of
paving the way for Austen. One of the authors was Inchbald. Though Inchbald
was in many ways more a translator than original writer, she did write two
novels. We know her best for the English translation of the play,
Lovers'Vows.

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:10?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io <regencyresearcher=
[email protected]> wrote:

Most of the female authors of the time before and during the life of Jane
Austen are barely known and rarely discussed. The one who are at least
remembered in academic papers are mostly remembered because Austen
mentioned them in a letter or her books.

It’s still 85%+ women at JASNA AGMs - most men just haven’t gotten the memo.

Like Catherine Morland insightfully pointed out about history:

“I read it a little as a duty, but it tells me nothing that does not either vex or weary me. The quarrels of popes and kings, with wars or pestilences, in every page; the men all so good for nothing, and hardly any women at all — it is very tiresome.”

Sad to say, not much has changed since then. Women are still erasable.

Arnie

Charlotte Smith's life is very similar , in a way, to that of Mary
Robinson-- whois better known to history as Perdita,
Charlotte never became any man's mistress.


On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:18?PM Ellen Moody via groups.io <ellen.moody=
[email protected]> wrote:

I think it is true that most of the female authors before or around
the time of Jane Auste are known only if they are connected with some
famous person.
Charlotte Smith is amon those who has no name recognition outside 18th
century, literary feminist and romantic scholars groups. Ellen

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:10?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io
<regencyresearcher@...> wrote:

Most of the female authors of the time before and during the life of Jane
Austen are barely known and rarely discussed. The one who are at least
remembered in academic papers are mostly remembered because Austen
mentioned them in a letter or her books.

I do not know why messages go off early.
Charlotte was married rather young to a man who was said to be an heir to
wealth. He was very good at lying. When he was sent to Debtors'Prison,
Charlotte and the children went with him. He spent what money he had on a
prostitute when there. Charlotte started writing novels to support herself
and the children.Her bitterness shows in at least some of her work.Her
father-in law left his estate to her and her children but legal ambiguities
in the will allowed hs children to contest the legacy. The case was in the
courts for at least ten years. As usual, the lawyers got most of the money.
Smith's novels ceased selling well so she returned to poetry and
translations. Her novels showed disadvantages a wife faced and how the
laws made it difficult for wives. She was an abolitionist. Despite her
numerous publications she died in poverty.
This is a very abridged and general biography of Charlotte Smith,; there
are many web pages about her.
Nancy

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:32?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io <regencyresearcher=
[email protected]> wrote:

Charlotte Smith's life is very similar , in a way, to that of Mary
Robinson-- whois better known to history as Perdita,
Charlotte never became any man's mistress.


On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:18?PM Ellen Moody via groups.io <ellen.moody=
[email protected]> wrote:

I think it is true that most of the female authors before or around
the time of Jane Auste are known only if they are connected with some
famous person.
Charlotte Smith is amon those who has no name recognition outside 18th
century, literary feminist and romantic scholars groups. Ellen

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:10?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io
<regencyresearcher@...> wrote:

Most of the female authors of the time before and during the life of

Jane

Austen are barely known and rarely discussed. The one who are at least
remembered in academic papers are mostly remembered because Austen
mentioned them in a letter or her books.

I am with Catherine on parts of history. One really needs several charts to
keeptrack of some of it. It does appear that the kings were always fighting
one another and disputing matters with the Pope. One King thought Paris
was worth a mass and another tossed most of the church organization away
to have his own way. At least by the 18th century in England, it became
easier to keep track of the kings than of the presidents of the USA .During
the time of George III and Victoria, there were many presidents . I do
like much of history but have always had trouble with naming the presidents
in Order as much as I have trouble with the kings of England from Richard I
to Henry VIII.
Nancy

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:30?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

It’s still 85%+ women at JASNA AGMs - most men just haven’t gotten the
memo.

Like Catherine Morland insightfully pointed out about history:

“I read it a little as a duty, but it tells me nothing that does not
either vex or weary me. The quarrels of popes and kings, with wars or
pestilences, in every page; the men all so good for nothing, and hardly any
women at all — it is very tiresome.”

Sad to say, not much has changed since then. Women are still erasable.

Arnie

On Nov 8, 2024, at 2:21?PM, Nancy Mayer via groups.io

<regencyresearcher@...> wrote:

?Dale Spender collected books and biographies of 100 female authors

before Jane Austen. Authors she felt should have some recognition, if only
that of paving the way for Austen. One of the authors was Inchbald. Though
Inchbald was in many ways more a translator than original writer, she did
write two novels. We know her best for the English translation of the play,
Lovers'Vows.

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:10?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io

<regencyresearcher=

[email protected]> wrote:

Most of the female authors of the time before and during the life of

Jane Austen are barely known and rarely discussed. The one who are at
least remembered in academic papers are mostly remembered because Austen

mentioned them in a letter or her books.

Nancy,

But what does it matter if we can name all the US presidents in order (as
apparently I was able to do at a very young age, to the great pleasure of
my parents) - perhaps the most relevant fact about them to note, following
Catherine Morland's (and therefore also Jane Austen's) example, is that
they have all been men, and, except for one, very late in the game, also
all white.

ARNIE

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 3:24?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io <regencyresearcher=
[email protected]> wrote:

I am with Catherine on parts of history. One really needs several charts
to keeptrack of some of it. It does appear that the kings were always
fighting one another and disputing matters with the Pope. One King thought
Paris was worth a mass and another tossed most of the church organization
away to have his own way. At least by the 18th century in England, it
became easier to keep track of the kings than of the presidents of the USA
.During the time of George III and Victoria, there were many presidents .
I do like much of history but have always had trouble with naming the
presidents in Order as much as I have trouble with the kings of England
from Richard I to Henry VIII. Nancy

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:30?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

It’s still 85%+ women at JASNA AGMs - most men just haven’t gotten the

memo.

Like Catherine Morland insightfully pointed out about history:

“I read it a little as a duty, but it tells me nothing that does not
either vex or weary me. The quarrels of popes and kings, with wars or
pestilences, in every page; the men all so good for nothing, and hardly

any

women at all — it is very tiresome.”

Sad to say, not much has changed since then. Women are still erasable.

Arnie

On Nov 8, 2024, at 2:21?PM, Nancy Mayer via groups.io

<regencyresearcher@...> wrote:

?Dale Spender collected books and biographies of 100 female authors

before Jane Austen. Authors she felt should have some recognition, if

only

that of paving the way for Austen. One of the authors was Inchbald.

Though

Inchbald was in many ways more a translator than original writer, she

did

write two novels. We know her best for the English translation of the

play,

Lovers'Vows.

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:10?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io

<regencyresearcher=

[email protected]> wrote:

Most of the female authors of the time before and during the life of

Jane Austen are barely known and rarely discussed. The one who are at
least remembered in academic papers are mostly remembered because Austen

mentioned them in a letter or her books.

When one is in school or when I was in school. few women worked outside of
the home.Even during the war, those that did work outside of the home
were mostly blue collar workers and not leaders of anything. Women like
Eleanor Roosevelt were known and could do things because of her husband.
Most of the women we read about were wives or poets. It never occurred to
me , or I daresay, any of my female classmates to wonder why there were no
women presidents,
That thought of Catherine Morland's was straight from the pen of Jane
Austen. I doubt Catherine would have thought it at her age. Though ;after
in the 19th century, Queen Victoria made an impression on the world as a
female ruler who married and had children, her example wasn't considered
one that females in her empire or exemire should think to follow. In fact,
I would say, that during the reign of Victoria, the idea of women belonging
to Kitchen, church, and Children was intensified.

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 6:37?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

Nancy,

But what does it matter if we can name all the US presidents in order (as
apparently I was able to do at a very young age, to the great pleasure of
my parents) - perhaps the most relevant fact about them to note, following
Catherine Morland's (and therefore also Jane Austen's) example, is that
they have all been men, and, except for one, very late in the game, also
all white.

ARNIE

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 3:24?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io
<regencyresearcher=
[email protected]> wrote:

I am with Catherine on parts of history. One really needs several charts
to keeptrack of some of it. It does appear that the kings were always
fighting one another and disputing matters with the Pope. One King

thought

Paris was worth a mass and another tossed most of the church

organization

away to have his own way. At least by the 18th century in England, it
became easier to keep track of the kings than of the presidents of the

USA

.During the time of George III and Victoria, there were many presidents

.

I do like much of history but have always had trouble with naming the
presidents in Order as much as I have trouble with the kings of England
from Richard I to Henry VIII. Nancy

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:30?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

It’s still 85%+ women at JASNA AGMs - most men just haven’t gotten the

memo.

Like Catherine Morland insightfully pointed out about history:

“I read it a little as a duty, but it tells me nothing that does not
either vex or weary me. The quarrels of popes and kings, with wars or
pestilences, in every page; the men all so good for nothing, and hardly

any

women at all — it is very tiresome.”

Sad to say, not much has changed since then. Women are still erasable.

Arnie

On Nov 8, 2024, at 2:21?PM, Nancy Mayer via groups.io

<regencyresearcher@...> wrote:

?Dale Spender collected books and biographies of 100 female authors

before Jane Austen. Authors she felt should have some recognition, if

only

that of paving the way for Austen. One of the authors was Inchbald.

Though

Inchbald was in many ways more a translator than original writer, she

did

write two novels. We know her best for the English translation of the

play,

Lovers'Vows.

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:10?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io

<regencyresearcher=

[email protected]> wrote:

Most of the female authors of the time before and during the life of

Jane Austen are barely known and rarely discussed. The one who are at
least remembered in academic papers are mostly remembered because

Austen

mentioned them in a letter or her books.

When one is in school or when I was in school. few women worked outside of
the home.Even during the war, those that did work outside of the home
were mostly blue collar workers and not leaders of anything. Women like
Eleanor Roosevelt were known and could do things because of her husband.
Most of the women we read about were wives or poets. It never occurred to
me , or I daresay, any of my female classmates to wonder why there were no
women presidents,

I assure you, it was occurring to enough of them to struggle tirelessly to
gain women's suffrage. I bet many women suffered in angry silence.

That thought of Catherine Morland's was straight from the pen of Jane
Austen. I doubt Catherine would have thought it at her age.

Well, that's just it - I think Catherine is the closest of any of Austen's
heroines to the author herself.

Though ;after
in the 19th century, Queen Victoria made an impression on the world as a
female ruler who married and had children, her example wasn't considered
one that females in her empire or exemire should think to follow. In fact,
I would say, that during the reign of Victoria, the idea of women belonging
to Kitchen, church, and Children was intensified.

If so, that's very sad indeed. Perhaps part of it was the same dynamic as
the virulent reaction to Obama's presidency - powerful. men, perhaps
feeling threatened by Victoria's long reign, doubled down on making sure
she didn't become a role model for females to aspire to.

ARNIE

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 6:37?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

Nancy,

But what does it matter if we can name all the US presidents in order (as
apparently I was able to do at a very young age, to the great pleasure of
my parents) - perhaps the most relevant fact about them to note,

following

Catherine Morland's (and therefore also Jane Austen's) example, is that
they have all been men, and, except for one, very late in the game, also
all white.

ARNIE

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 3:24?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io
<regencyresearcher=
[email protected]> wrote:

I am with Catherine on parts of history. One really needs several

charts

to keeptrack of some of it. It does appear that the kings were always
fighting one another and disputing matters with the Pope. One King

thought

Paris was worth a mass and another tossed most of the church

organization

away to have his own way. At least by the 18th century in England, it
became easier to keep track of the kings than of the presidents of the

USA

.During the time of George III and Victoria, there were many

presidents

.

I do like much of history but have always had trouble with naming the
presidents in Order as much as I have trouble with the kings of England
from Richard I to Henry VIII. Nancy

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:30?PM Arnie Perlstein via groups.io
<arnieperlstein@...> wrote:

It’s still 85%+ women at JASNA AGMs - most men just haven’t gotten

the

memo.

Like Catherine Morland insightfully pointed out about history:

“I read it a little as a duty, but it tells me nothing that does not
either vex or weary me. The quarrels of popes and kings, with wars or
pestilences, in every page; the men all so good for nothing, and

hardly

any

women at all — it is very tiresome.”

Sad to say, not much has changed since then. Women are still

erasable.

Arnie

On Nov 8, 2024, at 2:21?PM, Nancy Mayer via groups.io

<regencyresearcher@...> wrote:

?Dale Spender collected books and biographies of 100 female authors

before Jane Austen. Authors she felt should have some recognition, if

only

that of paving the way for Austen. One of the authors was Inchbald.

Though

Inchbald was in many ways more a translator than original writer, she

did

write two novels. We know her best for the English translation of the

play,

Lovers'Vows.

On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 5:10?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io

<regencyresearcher=

[email protected]> wrote:

Most of the female authors of the time before and during the life

of

Jane Austen are barely known and rarely discussed. The one who are

at

least remembered in academic papers are mostly remembered because

Austen

mentioned them in a letter or her books.

Charlotte Smith was mentioned in a letter in the March/April 2024 issue of the British _Mensa Magazine_, and also in the Spring 2024 _Wilkie Collins Society Newsletter_.