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Excuse Me, Jane Austen, and Rediscovering ¡°The Bertrams¡±
I'm reading it and it's excellent. I also recommend as the best book on
Austen I've read in a long time, Janet Todd's Living with Jane Austen ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Thornfield Hall <comment-reply@...> Date: Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 1:02?AM Subject: Excuse Me, Jane Austen, and Rediscovering ¡°The Bertrams¡± To: <ellen.moody@...> ¡°It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a woman in possession of a computer, needs to spend less screen time.¡± Excuse me, Jane Austen. I NEED TO BREAK UP WITH THE INTERNET. And so I curled up in a cozy chair with a neglected Trollope¡ Read on blog <> or Reader <> [image: Site logo image] Thornfield Hall <> Read on blog <> or Reader <> Excuse Me, Jane Austen, and Rediscovering ¡°The Bertrams¡± <> By *Kat* on April 11, 2025 *¡°It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a woman in possession of a computer, needs to spend less screen time.¡±* Excuse me, Jane Austen. I NEED TO BREAK UP WITH THE INTERNET. And so I curled up in a cozy chair with a neglected Trollope novel, *The Bertrams.* I¡¯m not sure anyone reads *The Bertrams* anymore, but I can testify that Trollope is very popular in the twenty-first century. I joined a Trollope Yahoo group in the early 2000s, and there must have been a hundred fans. Two of Trollope's series, *The Pallisers *and the *Barsetshire* books, are considered his masterpieces . I prefer two stunning novels, *He Knew She Was Right* and *The Way We Live Now*. And *The Bertrams*, a splendid, often sad novel about love, rivalry, and work, is one of his better books. Sadly, it is out of print. That is inexplicable to me. It must have to do with Trollope¡¯s reputation as a middlebrow writer. And so readers assume that only the famous books are worth reading, or that Trollope is a mere storyteller ¨C and to an extent I agree with that - but this smoothly-written minor classic explores perennial human struggles: work undertaken out of need rather than liking, lovers¡¯ break-ups over quarrels rooted in finance, and incompatibility in marriage. An alternate title for the book could be *Friends and Rivals*. In the beginning of *The Bertrams*, Trollope sketches the youthful education of two friends and rivals, George Bertram, whose spendthrift father dumped him in England while his rich grandfather pays his school fees, and Arthur Wilkinson, a hard-working boy whose clergyman father struggles to pay tuition. Their educations are identical but the results divide them. At school Arthur works persistently, but George wins the scholarship to Oxford. At Oxford Arthur works hard for two years, while George appears to do nothing for three. Trollope writes, ¡°It had always been George¡¯s delight to study in such a manner that men should think he did not study.¡± And so George gets a first in classics, while Arthur is crushed to get a second. This rivalry, however, ends after graduation. George and Arthur have much in common: both are scholars, and both are religious. Surprisingly, it is brilliant George, not Arthur, who wants to be a clergyman. Arthur, a fellow at Oxford, becomes a vicar only after his father dies, because he must support his mother and sisters. And his life is miserable. His mother is domineering: the church was given to Arthur on the condition that most of the salary go to his mother. But George *wants *to be a vicar. He would have loved Arthur¡¯s job. He travels to the Holy Land, and has many mystical experiences. But he also meets a beautiful, cold young woman, Caroline, his grandfather¡¯s ward. She has a lot of money, and is extremely materialistic. They fall in love, but she is callous: she selfishly admits she will *no*t marry him if he goes into the church. And so he decides to study law, which bores him and whose practice often seems unjust to him. And this issue of having the wrong job rings very true. How many people end up working in banks or insurance (T. S. Eliot and Wallace Stevens? It didn't bother them), teaching (most high school teachers quit after five years), or working in an office or a restaurant (everybody at some time or another). Trollope also describes the friendship of two women, which parallels that of the two men. Caroline and Adela are close friends but opposites in every respect: Caroline is obsessed with finance and insists on postponing her marriage to George for three years so he can get established; the time period is too long, and the two quarrel and break up. Adela is spiritual rather than materialistic, and is scandalized by Caroline's treatment of George. Adela is in love with Arthur, who cannot afford to marry and does not seem keen on Adela anyway. (He is not a romantic figure.) These are some gritty issue here. And of course the reader wonders if the lovers will ever get together. Always we wonder this in Trollope's books. But this is no *Can You Forgive Her?* or * The Way We Liv*e *Now*. Still, it is long and beautifully-written, and if you want to get off the internet, it will entertain you for hours. Comment <> You can also reply to this email to leave a comment. Thornfield Hall ? 2025. Manage <> your email settings or unsubscribe. [image: WordPress.com and Jetpack Logos] Get the Jetpack app Subscribe, bookmark, and get real?time notifications - all from one app! [image: Download Jetpack on Google Play] [image: Download Jetpack from the App Store] <> [image: WordPress.com Logo and Wordmark title=] <> Automattic, Inc. 60 29th St. #343, San Francisco, CA 94110 |
from Rory: new 6 partnPride and Prejuice
?I have not liked last couple of faithful type aausten movies. I didn¡¯t like their exaggerations nor shallow comic tone. Olivia Coleman must go along. The movie where she played Queen Anne was an obscene travesty, basically misogynistic. It won many awards I recall. Ellen |
Re: O: a third stroke event
I shall be following Nancy¡¯s prescription because I must. My original impulse as a reading girl when I first began to read children¡¯s novels at age 7/8 was escape, comfort, the past. I lived in southeast Bronx,my favorite books were Mary Poppins in the Park and Little Women, during the pandemic Susan Hill¡¯s Howard¡¯s End is on the Landing. Today I,m teaching Howard¡¯s End. Watching Wolf Hall 2nd season, outside books ( of groups, teaching, classy all on line) mantel¡¯s Mirror and Light, 3rd olume of Cromwell trilogy.
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Ellen On Apr 7, 2025, at 10:41?PM, Nancy Mayer via groups.io <regencyresearcher@...> wrote: |
Re: O: a third stroke event
Glad to know you survived the episode and that you have some interesting
books to read. Settle down with cats and books. Petting cats is said to be therapeutic. Do not listen to the news or look at any news source. Reading about injustices of 500 or so years ago is less stressful than reading about today's. Relax and get well. Nancy On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 9:22?PM Ellen Moody via groups.io <ellen.moody= [email protected]> wrote: Today I was in hospital for 8 hours again, for a third stroke event. |
O: a third stroke event
Today I was in hospital for 8 hours again, for a third stroke event.
Last time they called it a mini-stroke, or a stroke that stopped forming, this time it's a TIA and possible blood clot that dissolved. The practical result is another set back for my left leg, ending worse yet, and having to go slower. I've fallen behind on Mirror and Light the book but hope to read and to post late tomorrow afternoon. Life's pleasures not done. I came home to a new lovely copy of Janet Todd's Living with Jane Austen on my stoop. This summer I look forward to Hemingway Collins's book I must try to live with these setbacks as best I can. Rest, mild exercise, avoid stress for which Jane Austen is a perfect subject Last night I did lose myself in Wolf Hall before the event hit. This second season is quieter than the first, but actually better in some ways. Mirror and Light wholly inward book. Most people also know far less about Henry's 4th, 5th, and 6th wives (Ann of Cleves, Katherine Howard, Katharine Parr) than the first 3. The books to read are the superb Linda Porter (start with Parr, she's the most interesting), then Caroline Norton (Ann was an interesting letter write) then the best of the lot, Alison Weir on poor Katharine Howard. Ellen |
Re: Kathryn Hughes's Catland
the early modern period. Maybe the information and feeling for catsThe pictorial books I mentioned show affectionate relationships in was not articulated (cats took on the misogynic response women did) but these pictures capture it -- and some old poems. << I think you are probably right, Ellen. I¡¯m reminded of John Keats¡¯s poem, ¡°To Mrs Reynolds¡¯s Cat¡± ¨C not at all sentimental, more a realistic, and dare I say affectionate, portrait of an aged cat. Dorothy To Mrs Reynolds's Cat Cat! who hast passed thy grand climacteric, How many mice and rats hast in thy days Destroyed? How many tit-bits stolen? Gaze With those bright languid segments green, and prick Those velvet ears - but prithee do not stick Thy latent talons in me, and up-raise Thy gentle mew, and tell me all thy frays Of fish and mice, and rats and tender chick. Nay, look not down, nor lick thy dainty wrists - For all thy wheezy asthma, and for all Thy tail's tip is nicked off, and though the fists Of many a maid have given thee many a maul, Still is that fur as soft as when the lists In youth thou enteredst on glass-bottled wall. ¨C John Keats (1795-1821) From: Nancy Mayer <mailto:regencyresearcher@...?subject=Re:%20Kathryn%20Hughes%27s%20Catland> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2025 12:54:39 PDT One day, a cat wandered into a house and ate some food. Someone rubbed his head and gave him a warm lap to sit on. The cat, being a wise animal, said this is good. People can't figure out when and why cats became so popular that now it is said the WWW was invented for cat videos. The reason is that the Cats decided that it would be so. There are several FB pages concerning cats. Despite the damage those murder mittens can inflict on people and furniture, cats have so enslaved us , many would rather give up a significant other rather than a cat. I am sorry the various programs were disappointing. One would think that if one were talking about cats one would openly admit liking them. Nancy On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 11:33?AM Ellen Moody via groups.io <> <ellen.moody= [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: This is better than I thought. She believes that the revolution from despising, persecuting, or hiding your affection for cats to liking, respecting, getting to know them, treating the infinitely better, responsibly occurred over the 19th century and brought about by art work in popular magazines which worked to make people see cats as versions of themselves. I'm not so sure. Was it not bringing them indoors because litter invented kept them at home. Both together probably. I'm a wee bit disappointed. I wanted a thorough convincing account of this transformation and am not convinced I actually prefer Caroline Bugler's and Desmond Morris's's pictorial history and individual books like Roger Caras, A Cat is watching you. Both sessions on cats at the virtual 18th century conference had paper from dismaying to disappointing. It was af if they dreaded to be seen as sentimental -- they were not interested in cats in the era at all for real Ellen |
Re: Kathryn Hughes's Catland
I was very surprised. I was not there to drool over cats, but the way
they talked was sometimes themselves semi-hostile. All of them in both sessions (there were two panels) seemed more interested in the abstract or general topic the cat was (so to speak) attached to as an example. Hughes thinks this transformation happened over the middle to later 19th century. She means the reader to attribute this to a change in the way cats were depicted, where she implies that there were always cat-favorers but now they could admit to it since the drawings were all very comic. She also says contests for the most beautiful cat sprang up as people began to breed them to look better. Dogs have been selectively bred for hundreds of years. My guess there is it was found that dogs not being a predator and more outwardly friendly (as pack animals could be) seemed capable of being moore useful to people than cats. Dogs cab be very large and strong. The large cat is a tiger or lion:) I just feel she is leaving out the hard to record deep affection old lonely people (often women), children learned a cat is capable of. I have to admit I had this stereotypical view of cats until I adopted Ian and Clarycat. One problem their more varied nature is not known is they are private animals. None of the four I've had so far show affection to me like they do when it's just me and them. I knew friends said I didn't begin to see their cats as the cat saw me as a stranger and was wary. I also know it is considered by some beneath a man's dignity to admit to loving a cat. There was a feel of scorn for Bill Clinton when his and Hilary's pet turned out to be a cat, not a dog. The pictorial books I mentioned show affectionate relationships in the early modern period. Maybe the information and feeling for cats was not articulated (cats took on the misogynic response women did) but these pictures capture it -- and some old poems. Ellen Ellen On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 3:54?PM Nancy Mayer via groups.io <regencyresearcher@...> wrote:
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Re: Kathryn Hughes's Catland
One day, a cat wandered into a house and ate some food. Someone rubbed
his head and gave him a warm lap to sit on. The cat, being a wise animal, said this is good. People can't figure out when and why cats became so popular that now it is said the WWW was invented for cat videos. The reason is that the Cats decided that it would be so. There are several FB pages concerning cats. Despite the damage those murder mittens can inflict on people and furniture, cats have so enslaved us , many would rather give up a significant other rather than a cat. I am sorry the various programs were disappointing. One would think that if one were talking about cats one would openly admit liking them. Nancy On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 11:33?AM Ellen Moody via groups.io <ellen.moody= [email protected]> wrote: This is better than I thought. She believes that the revolution from |
Kathryn Hughes's Catland
This is better than I thought. She believes that the revolution from
despising, persecuting, or hiding your affection for cats to liking, respecting, getting to know them, treating the infinitely better, responsibly occurred over the 19th century and brought about by art work in popular magazines which worked to make people see cats as versions of themselves. I'm not so sure. Was it not bringing them indoors because litter invented kept them at home. Both together probably. I'm a wee bit disappointed. I wanted a thorough convincing account of this transformation and am not convinced I actually prefer Caroline Bugler's and Desmond Morris's's pictorial history and individual books like Roger Caras, A Cat is watching you. Both sessions on cats at the virtual 18th century conference had paper from dismaying to disappointing. It was af if they dreaded to be seen as sentimental -- they were not interested in cats in the era at all for real Ellen |
OT: Yesterday's Hands off demos: a blog on E.M. Forsters 1930s, 40s essays
I couldn't go yesterday (cannot walk well enough unless someone who
cares about me helps me) so I wrote a blog about E.M. Forster's famous popular talks to the BBC 1930s-40s, and essays, including "What I Believe," "3 Anti-Nazi Broadcasts" Ellen |
Re: Reading Miss Austen by Jill Hornby
Interesting. However, I have never believed that Cassandra burned Jane's
letters. Jane knew that few letters were really private. Most were shared with the family. For one thing, this cut down the postage recipients had to pay as a writer need not write several letters to the same address to discuss the same items. On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 8:02?AM Ellen Moody via groups.io <ellen.moody= [email protected]> wrote: This is an accurate description of the book. Rachel Dodge does it justice. |
Reading Miss Austen by Jill Hornby
This is an accurate description of the book. Rachel Dodge does it justice.
Ellen ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Jane Austen's World <comment-reply@...> Date: Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 6:26?AM Subject: Reading Miss Austen by Jill Hornby To: <ellen.moody@...> The new BBC miniseries "Miss Austen", based on Jill Hornby's novel of the same name, is currently the focus of much attention worldwide. The series aired in the UK in February and comes to PBS this May. Some of you have maybe already seen the show, depe¡ Read on blog <> or Reader <> [image: Site logo image] Jane Austen's World <> Read on blog <> or Reader <> Reading Miss Austen by Jill Hornby <> By *Rachel Dodge* on March 24, 2025 The new BBC miniseries "Miss Austen" <>, based on Jill Hornby's novel <> of the same name, is currently the focus of much attention worldwide. The series aired in the UK in February and comes to PBS this May. Some of you have maybe already seen the show, depending on where you live, but for those who are waiting for it to air, I am here to say this: *Read the book while you wait!* You won't regret it. In anticipation of the show, I decided to read *Miss Austen <>* by Jill Hornby, fully expecting to dislike it (I'm very picky). But I'm here to report that I loved it! I actually finished it in two days because I could not put it down (which is not easy as a writer with a busy household of teens). The story flows at a slower pace, but Hornby's style--and the whole world she created--pulled me in and kept me engaged from start to finish. In the book, an older Cassandra searches for a packet of Jane's letters that she does not want anyone to ever see or read. As she finds and reads the various letters, we travel back through her memories to visit her younger self. I found myself completely immersed in the real (and imagined) details about Cassandra's relationship with Tom Fowle (a former pupil of Reverend Austen), the Fowle family, and the Lloyd family because it all felt incredibly real. <> Overall, the book does tell a sad story because it deals with a fictional retelling of Cassandra's real-life story, her heartbreaks, her deep affection for her beloved family (many of whom she outlived), the Austens' move to Bath, Reverend Austen's death, the Austen women and their continual search for housing after his death, and Cassandra's devotion and loyalty to Jane. However, there are many endearing and uplifting themes as well. The writing itself is exquisite. While Hornby of course employs creative license as a novelist, I was also impressed by the copious amounts of research she must have done to write this book. Though fictional, it acts as a poignant biography of Jane's sister and best friend. I felt as though I understood Cassandra, and had a deeper understanding of her protectiveness over Jane, by the end of the book. Hornby's perspective on Jane is intriguing, and her (entirely fictional) character Henry Hobday adds depth to Cassandra's story. For those of you that read *Miss Austen* when it released in 2020, you might enjoy a reread. For those who have never read it, it's a wonderful way to prepare yourself for the show. And even if you've already watched the show, you might like to read it and compare the two. <> *Book Description* England, 1840. Two decades after the death of her beloved sister, Jane, Cassandra Austen returns to the village of Kintbury and the home of her family friends, the Fowles. In a dusty corner of the vicarage, there is a cache of Jane¡¯s letters that Cassandra is desperate to find. Dodging her hostess and a meddlesome housemaid, Cassandra eventually hunts down the letters and confronts the secrets they hold, secrets not only about Jane but about Cassandra herself. Will Cassandra bare the most private details of her life to the world, or commit her sister¡¯s legacy to the flames? Moving back and forth between the vicarage and Cassandra¡¯s vibrant memories of her years with Jane, interwoven with Jane¡¯s brilliantly reimagined lost letters, *Miss Austen* is the untold story of the most important person in Jane¡¯s life. With extraordinary empathy, emotional complexity, and wit, Gill Hornby finally gives Cassandra her due, bringing to life a woman as captivating as any Austen heroine. (The collection of cover art included in this article is from various editions sold worldwide.) <> *About the Author* Gill Hornby is the author of *Miss Austen, The Hive*, and *All Together Now*, as well as *The Story of Jane Austen*, a biography of Austen for young readers. Her most recent novel is *Godermsham Park*, also available from Pegasus Books. She lives in Kintbury, England, with her husband and their four children. <> *About the Show* Miss Austen takes an historic literary mystery ¨C the notorious burning of Jane Austen¡¯s letters by her sister Cassandra ¨C and reimagines it as a fascinating, witty, and heart-breaking story of sisterly love, while creating in Cassandra a character as captivating as any Austen heroine. Based on Gill Hornby¡¯s best-selling novel, this period drama brings a fresh and intimate perspective to the Austen sisters¡¯ lives ¡ª their joys, heartaches, and the passions that shaped Jane¡¯s iconic novels. Keeley Hawes (T*he Durrells in Corfu, Bodyguard, Line of Duty*) as the loyal and loving Cassandra leads an ensemble cast that includes Rose Leslie (*Game of Thrones, Downton Abbey*) as family friend Isabella Fowle, Patsy Ferran (*Living*) as young Jane Austen, and Synn?ve Karlsen (*Bodies*) as young Cassy. <> <> *PBS Episode Schedule* Premieres: Sunday, May 4, 2025, at 9/8c Episode 2: Sunday, May 11, 9/8c Episode 3: Sunday, May 18, 9/8c Episode 4: Sunday, May 18, 10/9c *Miss Austen, Dutiful Daughter and Sister* I cannot wait to watch the show soon, and I hope to come back to discuss it later this year, but in the meantime, I enjoyed the book immensely. I usually only review nonfiction books here, but I felt that a novel of such high caliber warranted a thorough review, especially in light of the upcoming show. Here's to celebrating Jane Austen's 250th year and to enjoying her world more fully! ------------------------------ *RACHEL DODGE* teaches college English classes, speaks at libraries, teas, and conferences, and writes for *Jane Austen¡¯s World <>* blog. She is the bestselling, award-winning author of *The Anne of Green Gables Devotional <>* , *The Little Women Devotional <>* , *The Secret Garden Devotional <>*, and *Praying with Jane: 31 Days Through the Prayers of Jane Austen <>*. A true kindred spirit at heart, Rachel loves books, bonnets, and ballgowns. Visit her online at www. <> RachelDodge.com <> . Comment <> Like <> You can also reply to this email to leave a comment. Jane Austen's World ? 2025. Manage <> your email settings or unsubscribe. [image: WordPress.com and Jetpack Logos] Get the Jetpack app Subscribe, bookmark, and get real?time notifications - all from one app! 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Hannah Arendt blog in Austen Reveries
I've written my first blog of several on women writers relevant to
this dire historical moment, and serious readings of Jane Austen's life experiences as seen in her books and competent post-texts reframing that experience. First up Hannah Arendt & Origins of Totalitarianism & The Human Condition Ellen |
Re: I'm building up a set of Austen post-texts I like or can read
and took out a copy of The Romance of The Forest. I loved it.What did you like about _The Romance of the Forest_? I enjoyed _The Mysteries of Udolpho_ but I am finding _The Romance of the Forest_ heavy going. Begin forwarded message: |
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I wonder if it's a rhetorical pretense, Nancy, yes. We didn't study Jane Austen in school either. The first Fanny Burney book I read was an old 3 volume edition of her diaries and letters, which I found in a used bookshop on 59th Street, Manhattan. Much shrunk in size, it's still there. . She was called Madame d'Arblay on the cover. Then the introduction gave her her other name, Fanny Burney. Burney's Evelina was an old Everyman on my father's bookshelves. I had heard of Radcliffe fro Northnger Abbey. I was teaching at Brooklyn College at the time (1974?) , and went to the bookshelves and took out a copy of The Romance of The Forest. I loved it. To me Austen's major contemporary was Scott. Ellen
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Re: [Trollope&Peers] I'm building up a set of Austen post-texts I like or can read
My education was so long ago, that we didn't study Jane Austen. However,
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even I heard of Fanny Burney's Evelina, if nothing else. We also looked at Maria Edgeworth and Charlotte Smith. I did learn more about them and Radcliffe when studying Northanger Abby. Such ignorance would make me distrust the author. Nancy O Ellen wrote: |
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Just remembering that years - many years - ago, when I first encountered the name of Fanny Burney, though I don¡¯t remember when or where, I do remember that somehow, the name Madame D¡¯Arblay was familiar to me.
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Dorothy (p.s. - my spell checker is mystified by both names ¡) Ellen wrote: Thank you, Susan. What troubles me about all the reviews of this book is they all begin with how the author had never heard of Burney. Really? Radcliffe is treated as if she wrote very obscure stuff in remote storage in research libraries.. How could Romney think so of Radcliffe if she'd read up to p 3 of Northanger Abbey . You don't have to be an erudite 18th century scholar to have read these these authors (there's a Burney society) or Edgeworth or even Charlotte Smith. It's praised in terms of how much I'll learn about these books. But I've read many of them and about many of them and don't need beginners' descriptions. Ellen On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 6:37?PM Susan B via groups.io <>
<smbiddle15@... <mailto:smbiddle15@...>> wrote: Those interested in Jane Austen might enjoy the book reviewed here: Jane Austen¡¯s Bookshelf by Rebecca Romney review ¨C the women behind the woman | Jane Austen | The Guardian Best wishes Susan On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 at 23:10, Ellen Moody via groups.io <><ellen.moody@... <mailto:ellen.moody@...>> wrote: 8 are outstanding; books in their own right. 4 borderline. 2 screenplays so good they are readable in their own right. Some screenplays made good movies nut are blueprints. And I've tried -- genuinely -- 25 more which are dreadful/trash ... Ellen I'm thinking of doing the same with Austen movies now that there are so many, and recent ones truly dreadful/trash. Ellen |
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