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Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

James Zdunic
 

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Sorry, butchered part of last message so...

I’ll chime in here and mention that there is some configuration of the IDE software that may be required if you haven’t connected to the teensy. ?The correct COM port will need to be selected, for those running windows you can confirm which COM port the teensy occupies in the Device Manager. ?The IDE software also has to be told you want to interface with a teensy board in particular. ?Hope this may help someone get connected.

Jim KM4TXR

On Jan 21, 2019, at 5:51 PM, James Zdunic <james_zdunic@...> wrote:

I’ll chime in here and mention that there is some configuration of the IDE software that may be required if you haven’t connected to the teensy. ?The correct COM port will need to be selected, for those running windows you can confirm which con port the teensy occupies. ?The IDE software also has to be told you want to interface with a teensy board in particular. ?Hope this may help someone get connected.

Jim KM4TXR

On Jan 21, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Jim Sheldon <w0eb@...> wrote:

Art,
All USB Micro cables are not created equal. ?It looks as if you are using one that was designed for charging a cell phone or something. ?They only have the 5volt and ground connections hooked up in the cable and will not work. ?I have about 50 of them here that are useless for anything but charging a cell phone or something else charged from a USB port.'

Make sure you have a full data USB micro (not Mini) cable with all connections in place. ?If Windows doesn't recognize it and set it up as soon as you plug it in, then it's not getting data from the computer.

Another possibility is if you are using an external USB hub you may be using a "Charging" port on that hub. ?No data connections to most of those either.

Jim

------ Original Message ------
From: "Art Olson" <olson339@...>
Sent: 1/21/2019 4:21:51 PM
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Jim
Thanks for the detailed reply. I am at a point of trying to load a sketch via IDE and the teensy loader with no luck. I was loading the blink program. There doesn’t seem to be a port opened using win10 so the upload fails. I have tried a couple of usb/mini usb cables again no luck. The usb cable is providing power as the on board led blinks.?

Thoughts

Art


On Jan 21, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Jim Sheldon <w0eb@...> wrote:

Art,
I didn't see a definitive answer yet and I know Jack is super busy trying to sort out everyone's problems so I'll answer your question.? The pad in question is shown on the back side of the Teensy 3.6 (and other Teensy's as well) pinout card that came with it, as the VIN/VUSB jumper and it says to cut that jumper if using a battery charger OR external power.? The battery charger isn't relevant here, but external power is so the jumper MUST be cut.

Now for the reason which isn't readily apparent.

You are powering the Teensy 3.6 from the 5 volt regulator on the JackAl board.? If you have not cut the jumper and plug the USB cable in to re-program the Teensy (or for some other purpose like CAT control or other serial I/O from the USB port) you are also supplying a nominal 5 volts from the USB port to the Teensy.? The two voltages will most certainly not be exactly equal as they come from two different power sources and they WILL conflict with possible damage to the Teensy's on-board 3.3V regulator and other circuitry (I know, I destroyed one by doing this before I figured it out).

So, in this case if you don't cut the jumper, don't connect the USB cable with the JackAl powered up.? By the same token, if you follow PJRC's directions and cut the jumper, you will have to power the JackAl up to get the Teensy operating before you will be able to re-program it.?

If, like me, you sometimes forget these things then cut the jumper (recommended anyway) and just remember that you have to have the JackAl powered up to use the USB connection to program the Teensy 3.6 (or to communicate with it for any reason).

Jim Sheldon - W0EB

___________________________________________________________________________________________________
(Art Olson)
12:52pm ?
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?
?
Art N2AJO


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Jim Sheldon
 

Art,
All USB Micro cables are not created equal. ?It looks as if you are using one that was designed for charging a cell phone or something. ?They only have the 5volt and ground connections hooked up in the cable and will not work. ?I have about 50 of them here that are useless for anything but charging a cell phone or something else charged from a USB port.'

Make sure you have a full data USB micro (not Mini) cable with all connections in place. ?If Windows doesn't recognize it and set it up as soon as you plug it in, then it's not getting data from the computer.

Another possibility is if you are using an external USB hub you may be using a "Charging" port on that hub. ?No data connections to most of those either.

Jim

------ Original Message ------
From: "Art Olson" <olson339@...>
Sent: 1/21/2019 4:21:51 PM
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Jim
Thanks for the detailed reply. I am at a point of trying to load a sketch via IDE and the teensy loader with no luck. I was loading the blink program. There doesn’t seem to be a port opened using win10 so the upload fails. I have tried a couple of usb/mini usb cables again no luck. The usb cable is providing power as the on board led blinks.?

Thoughts

Art


On Jan 21, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Jim Sheldon <w0eb@...> wrote:

Art,
I didn't see a definitive answer yet and I know Jack is super busy trying to sort out everyone's problems so I'll answer your question.? The pad in question is shown on the back side of the Teensy 3.6 (and other Teensy's as well) pinout card that came with it, as the VIN/VUSB jumper and it says to cut that jumper if using a battery charger OR external power.? The battery charger isn't relevant here, but external power is so the jumper MUST be cut.

Now for the reason which isn't readily apparent.

You are powering the Teensy 3.6 from the 5 volt regulator on the JackAl board.? If you have not cut the jumper and plug the USB cable in to re-program the Teensy (or for some other purpose like CAT control or other serial I/O from the USB port) you are also supplying a nominal 5 volts from the USB port to the Teensy.? The two voltages will most certainly not be exactly equal as they come from two different power sources and they WILL conflict with possible damage to the Teensy's on-board 3.3V regulator and other circuitry (I know, I destroyed one by doing this before I figured it out).

So, in this case if you don't cut the jumper, don't connect the USB cable with the JackAl powered up.? By the same token, if you follow PJRC's directions and cut the jumper, you will have to power the JackAl up to get the Teensy operating before you will be able to re-program it.?

If, like me, you sometimes forget these things then cut the jumper (recommended anyway) and just remember that you have to have the JackAl powered up to use the USB connection to program the Teensy 3.6 (or to communicate with it for any reason).

Jim Sheldon - W0EB

___________________________________________________________________________________________________
(Art Olson)
12:52pm ?
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?
?
Art N2AJO


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

 

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Jim
Thanks for the detailed reply. I am at a point of trying to load a sketch via IDE and the teensy loader with no luck. I was loading the blink program. There doesn’t seem to be a port opened using win10 so the upload fails. I have tried a couple of usb/mini usb cables again no luck. The usb cable is providing power as the on board led blinks.?

Thoughts

Art


On Jan 21, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Jim Sheldon <w0eb@...> wrote:

Art,
I didn't see a definitive answer yet and I know Jack is super busy trying to sort out everyone's problems so I'll answer your question.? The pad in question is shown on the back side of the Teensy 3.6 (and other Teensy's as well) pinout card that came with it, as the VIN/VUSB jumper and it says to cut that jumper if using a battery charger OR external power.? The battery charger isn't relevant here, but external power is so the jumper MUST be cut.

Now for the reason which isn't readily apparent.

You are powering the Teensy 3.6 from the 5 volt regulator on the JackAl board.? If you have not cut the jumper and plug the USB cable in to re-program the Teensy (or for some other purpose like CAT control or other serial I/O from the USB port) you are also supplying a nominal 5 volts from the USB port to the Teensy.? The two voltages will most certainly not be exactly equal as they come from two different power sources and they WILL conflict with possible damage to the Teensy's on-board 3.3V regulator and other circuitry (I know, I destroyed one by doing this before I figured it out).

So, in this case if you don't cut the jumper, don't connect the USB cable with the JackAl powered up.? By the same token, if you follow PJRC's directions and cut the jumper, you will have to power the JackAl up to get the Teensy operating before you will be able to re-program it.?

If, like me, you sometimes forget these things then cut the jumper (recommended anyway) and just remember that you have to have the JackAl powered up to use the USB connection to program the Teensy 3.6 (or to communicate with it for any reason).

Jim Sheldon - W0EB

___________________________________________________________________________________________________
(Art Olson)
12:52pm ?
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?
?
Art N2AJO


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Jim Sheldon
 

Art,
I didn't see a definitive answer yet and I know Jack is super busy trying to sort out everyone's problems so I'll answer your question.? The pad in question is shown on the back side of the Teensy 3.6 (and other Teensy's as well) pinout card that came with it, as the VIN/VUSB jumper and it says to cut that jumper if using a battery charger OR external power.? The battery charger isn't relevant here, but external power is so the jumper MUST be cut.

Now for the reason which isn't readily apparent.

You are powering the Teensy 3.6 from the 5 volt regulator on the JackAl board.? If you have not cut the jumper and plug the USB cable in to re-program the Teensy (or for some other purpose like CAT control or other serial I/O from the USB port) you are also supplying a nominal 5 volts from the USB port to the Teensy.? The two voltages will most certainly not be exactly equal as they come from two different power sources and they WILL conflict with possible damage to the Teensy's on-board 3.3V regulator and other circuitry (I know, I destroyed one by doing this before I figured it out).

So, in this case if you don't cut the jumper, don't connect the USB cable with the JackAl powered up.? By the same token, if you follow PJRC's directions and cut the jumper, you will have to power the JackAl up to get the Teensy operating before you will be able to re-program it.?

If, like me, you sometimes forget these things then cut the jumper (recommended anyway) and just remember that you have to have the JackAl powered up to use the USB connection to program the Teensy 3.6 (or to communicate with it for any reason).

Jim Sheldon - W0EB

___________________________________________________________________________________________________
(Art Olson)
12:52pm ?
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?
?
Art N2AJO


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

eyelessmisfit
 

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So true. Got involved with this because if I didn't have something new to learn I'd probably be looking for a supply of drugs or something.
Jack, et Al, could have supplied their board with an already functionilng? teensy, wired into a functioning ubitx and charge $350 or something, but that's not fun, thath's consumerism
73's
Ron W0QVJ



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Scott McDonald via Groups.Io" <ka9p@...>
Date: 1/21/19 1:59 PM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

I’m with ya Ron, I bought one for that very reason.

On the other hand, when I worked for a living we would bring new equipment on line with known good code to test basic functionality if we had it....one less variable to troubleshoot. ?

The intersection of RF, hardware and software is a great space to play in, but it’s hard to get it all right at once (at least for me).

73 Scott

Make something good happen!

On Jan 21, 2019, at 1:59 PM, eyelessmisfit <eyelessmisfit@...> wrote:

The other reason, is you really need to know how to do it. You buy a processor board. You're going to wire it, load it with it's tasks, why not be able to change the stuff that don't suit you, like filter characteristics, etc?
Ron W0QVJ



Sent from my Galaxy Tab? E

-------- Original message --------
From: JOHN Flinn <mutonchopps@...>
Date: 1/21/19 12:34 PM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

That's OK I no code ._._._

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 2:32 PM eyelessmisfit <eyelessmisfit@...> wrote:
For 1 thing, not everyone wants one of their built in cw message to be; "cq de w8tee"?
RonW0QVJ


Sent from my Galaxy Tab? E

-------- Original message --------
From: Roy Appleton <twelveoclockhigh@...>
Date: 1/21/19 11:59 AM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance. Why can't the code be compiled once and the resulting machine code be distributed instead of everyone having to compile their own code?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 PM Art Olson <olson339@... wrote:
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,

?

It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0

See on forum.

73’s de Jacques – F1APY

??

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

?

All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the web site.

Jack, W8TEE

<image001.jpg>


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

 

It's hard for all of us...

Jack, W8TEE

On Monday, January 21, 2019, 3:59:32 PM EST, Scott McDonald via Groups.Io <ka9p@...> wrote:


I’m with ya Ron, I bought one for that very reason.

On the other hand, when I worked for a living we would bring new equipment on line with known good code to test basic functionality if we had it....one less variable to troubleshoot. ?

The intersection of RF, hardware and software is a great space to play in, but it’s hard to get it all right at once (at least for me).

73 Scott

Make something good happen!

On Jan 21, 2019, at 1:59 PM, eyelessmisfit <eyelessmisfit@...> wrote:

The other reason, is you really need to know how to do it. You buy a processor board. You're going to wire it, load it with it's tasks, why not be able to change the stuff that don't suit you, like filter characteristics, etc?
Ron W0QVJ



Sent from my Galaxy Tab? E

-------- Original message --------
From: JOHN Flinn <mutonchopps@...>
Date: 1/21/19 12:34 PM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

That's OK I no code ._._._

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 2:32 PM eyelessmisfit <eyelessmisfit@...> wrote:
For 1 thing, not everyone wants one of their built in cw message to be; "cq de w8tee"?
RonW0QVJ


Sent from my Galaxy Tab? E

-------- Original message --------
From: Roy Appleton <twelveoclockhigh@...>
Date: 1/21/19 11:59 AM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance. Why can't the code be compiled once and the resulting machine code be distributed instead of everyone having to compile their own code?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 PM Art Olson <olson339@... wrote:
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,

?

It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0

See on forum.

73’s de Jacques – F1APY

??

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

?

All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the web site.

Jack, W8TEE

<image001.jpg>


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Scott McDonald
 

开云体育

I’m with ya Ron, I bought one for that very reason.

On the other hand, when I worked for a living we would bring new equipment on line with known good code to test basic functionality if we had it....one less variable to troubleshoot. ?

The intersection of RF, hardware and software is a great space to play in, but it’s hard to get it all right at once (at least for me).

73 Scott

Make something good happen!

On Jan 21, 2019, at 1:59 PM, eyelessmisfit <eyelessmisfit@...> wrote:

The other reason, is you really need to know how to do it. You buy a processor board. You're going to wire it, load it with it's tasks, why not be able to change the stuff that don't suit you, like filter characteristics, etc?
Ron W0QVJ



Sent from my Galaxy Tab? E

-------- Original message --------
From: JOHN Flinn <mutonchopps@...>
Date: 1/21/19 12:34 PM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

That's OK I no code ._._._

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 2:32 PM eyelessmisfit <eyelessmisfit@...> wrote:
For 1 thing, not everyone wants one of their built in cw message to be; "cq de w8tee"?
RonW0QVJ


Sent from my Galaxy Tab? E

-------- Original message --------
From: Roy Appleton <twelveoclockhigh@...>
Date: 1/21/19 11:59 AM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance. Why can't the code be compiled once and the resulting machine code be distributed instead of everyone having to compile their own code?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 PM Art Olson <olson339@... wrote:
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,

?

It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0

See on forum.

73’s de Jacques – F1APY

??

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

?

All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the web site.

Jack, W8TEE

<image001.jpg>


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Scott McDonald
 

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Thanks Jack, I understand for sure....

But if you guys charged 10 bucks a letter for the splash screen changes...?

Cheers, Scott

Make something good happen!

On Jan 21, 2019, at 2:13 PM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

Scott:

I understand the request, but really don't want to open that can of worms, because there are an equal number of people who don't know how to load a hex file. Also, everyone needs to change the CW messages if they are going to use that feature, so they may as well learn how to compile/upload a source file. It's really not much different that loading a hex file.

If someone wants to compile and upload the hex file to the Forum, that's fine with me. However, that person should know that people are going to say: "I know this is an extra, but can you change the Splash() screen to my call instead of yours?" That muffled roar you hear is a worm-can explosion...

Jack, W8TEE

On Monday, January 21, 2019, 3:02:55 PM EST, Scott McDonald via Groups.Io <ka9p@...> wrote:


Jack -?As I sit here looking through all your documentation and my parts and getting ready to start soldering, I feel bad asking for anything else from you guys. given the great effort you've put into this.
?
Roy?may have?a good idea for now or later though.? If you did happen to have a known good hex file that could be XLOADed to do the initial power up - and without ever suggesting any expectation of you guys updating software unless you were having fun doing it - that file could be really useful to guys like me that sometimes don't quite get all the hardware correct the first time out, or perhaps had a bad component, or still mess up on a library from time to time.?
?
I hope it doesn't sound like asking the teacher to do?our homework - at least we'd?could quickly confirm proper hardware operability and then get?on with it?:) FWIW
?
Thanks, a lot.
?
Scott ka9p
?
?
?
?
-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Appleton <twelveoclockhigh@...>
To: JackAl <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance. Why can't the code be compiled once and the resulting machine code be distributed instead of everyone having to compile their own code?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 PM Art Olson <olson339@... wrote:
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,
?
It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0
See on PRJC.com forum.
73’s de Jacques – F1APY
??
?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues
?
All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the hamradiodesigns.com web site.

Jack, W8TEE
<image001.jpg>


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

 

Personally I like beating my head against a wall ( really )... it gives me satisfaction when it finally runs.?

Says the guy who has spent two days trying to get CQRlog 3.2.0 to run on Ubuntu 8.10 ..? And finally capitulated to an earlier version of CQR while I try to formulate an intelligent question to the author...

Dick
W4PID

On Monday, January 21, 2019, 2:32:13 PM EST, eyelessmisfit <eyelessmisfit@...> wrote:


For 1 thing, not everyone wants one of their built in cw message to be; "cq de w8tee"?
RonW0QVJ


Sent from my Galaxy Tab? E

-------- Original message --------
From: Roy Appleton <twelveoclockhigh@...>
Date: 1/21/19 11:59 AM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance. Why can't the code be compiled once and the resulting machine code be distributed instead of everyone having to compile their own code?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 PM Art Olson <olson339@... wrote:
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,

?

It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0

See on forum.

73’s de Jacques – F1APY

??

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

?

All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the web site.

Jack, W8TEE

<image001.jpg>


Re: Speaker connection

 

The speaker connection, surprisingly, goes to a speaker! Actually, you have two choices for speaker connections. One is the original audio output from the ?BITX and the other is from the (6W) JackAl power amp. We did that so we could compare the "before and after" changes to the audio. Obviously, you only need one, so pcik whichever one you prefer. My guess is you're going to like the JackAl output better.

Jack, W8TEE

On Monday, January 21, 2019, 11:22:50 AM EST, PeteWK8S via Groups.Io <pmeier@...> wrote:


In the manual there is a picture of the SPEAKER ?connection on the JackAL board. What is that connected to?? ? The diagram schematic show the speaker jack is connected to the uBitx PCB Audio connector. ?This confuses me a bit but I admit I'm easily confused. :-)

Pete WK8S


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

 

Scott:

I understand the request, but really don't want to open that can of worms, because there are an equal number of people who don't know how to load a hex file. Also, everyone needs to change the CW messages if they are going to use that feature, so they may as well learn how to compile/upload a source file. It's really not much different that loading a hex file.

If someone wants to compile and upload the hex file to the Forum, that's fine with me. However, that person should know that people are going to say: "I know this is an extra, but can you change the Splash() screen to my call instead of yours?" That muffled roar you hear is a worm-can explosion...

Jack, W8TEE

On Monday, January 21, 2019, 3:02:55 PM EST, Scott McDonald via Groups.Io <ka9p@...> wrote:


Jack -?As I sit here looking through all your documentation and my parts and getting ready to start soldering, I feel bad asking for anything else from you guys. given the great effort you've put into this.
?
Roy?may have?a good idea for now or later though.? If you did happen to have a known good hex file that could be XLOADed to do the initial power up - and without ever suggesting any expectation of you guys updating software unless you were having fun doing it - that file could be really useful to guys like me that sometimes don't quite get all the hardware correct the first time out, or perhaps had a bad component, or still mess up on a library from time to time.?
?
I hope it doesn't sound like asking the teacher to do?our homework - at least we'd?could quickly confirm proper hardware operability and then get?on with it?:) FWIW
?
Thanks, a lot.
?
Scott ka9p
?
?
?
?

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Appleton <twelveoclockhigh@...>
To: JackAl <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance. Why can't the code be compiled once and the resulting machine code be distributed instead of everyone having to compile their own code?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 PM Art Olson <olson339@... wrote:
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,
?
It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0
See on PRJC.com forum.
73’s de Jacques – F1APY
??
?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues
?
All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the hamradiodesigns.com web site.

Jack, W8TEE
<image001.jpg>


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Scott McDonald
 

Jack -?As I sit here looking through all your documentation and my parts and getting ready to start soldering, I feel bad asking for anything else from you guys. given the great effort you've put into this.
?
Roy?may have?a good idea for now or later though.? If you did happen to have a known good hex file that could be XLOADed to do the initial power up - and without ever suggesting any expectation of you guys updating software unless you were having fun doing it - that file could be really useful to guys like me that sometimes don't quite get all the hardware correct the first time out, or perhaps had a bad component, or still mess up on a library from time to time.?
?
I hope it doesn't sound like asking the teacher to do?our homework - at least we'd?could quickly confirm proper hardware operability and then get?on with it?:) FWIW
?
Thanks, a lot.
?
Scott ka9p
?
?
?
?

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Appleton <twelveoclockhigh@...>
To: JackAl <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance. Why can't the code be compiled once and the resulting machine code be distributed instead of everyone having to compile their own code?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 PM Art Olson <olson339@... wrote:
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,
?
It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0
See on PRJC.com forum.
73’s de Jacques – F1APY
??
?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues
?
All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the hamradiodesigns.com web site.

Jack, W8TEE
<image001.jpg>


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

eyelessmisfit
 

开云体育

The other reason, is you really need to know how to do it. You buy a processor board. You're going to wire it, load it with it's tasks, why not be able to change the stuff that don't suit you, like filter characteristics, etc?
Ron W0QVJ



Sent from my Galaxy Tab? E

-------- Original message --------
From: JOHN Flinn <mutonchopps@...>
Date: 1/21/19 12:34 PM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

That's OK I no code ._._._

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 2:32 PM eyelessmisfit <eyelessmisfit@...> wrote:
For 1 thing, not everyone wants one of their built in cw message to be; "cq de w8tee"?
RonW0QVJ


Sent from my Galaxy Tab? E

-------- Original message --------
From: Roy Appleton <twelveoclockhigh@...>
Date: 1/21/19 11:59 AM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance. Why can't the code be compiled once and the resulting machine code be distributed instead of everyone having to compile their own code?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 PM Art Olson <olson339@... wrote:
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,

?

It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0

See on forum.

73’s de Jacques – F1APY

??

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

?

All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the web site.

Jack, W8TEE

<image001.jpg>


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

 

That's OK I no code ._._._


On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 2:32 PM eyelessmisfit <eyelessmisfit@...> wrote:
For 1 thing, not everyone wants one of their built in cw message to be; "cq de w8tee"?
RonW0QVJ


Sent from my Galaxy Tab? E

-------- Original message --------
From: Roy Appleton <twelveoclockhigh@...>
Date: 1/21/19 11:59 AM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance. Why can't the code be compiled once and the resulting machine code be distributed instead of everyone having to compile their own code?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 PM Art Olson <olson339@... wrote:
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,

?

It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0

See on forum.

73’s de Jacques – F1APY

??

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

?

All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the web site.

Jack, W8TEE

<image001.jpg>


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

eyelessmisfit
 

开云体育

For 1 thing, not everyone wants one of their built in cw message to be; "cq de w8tee"?
RonW0QVJ


Sent from my Galaxy Tab? E

-------- Original message --------
From: Roy Appleton <twelveoclockhigh@...>
Date: 1/21/19 11:59 AM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance. Why can't the code be compiled once and the resulting machine code be distributed instead of everyone having to compile their own code?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 PM Art Olson <olson339@... wrote:
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,

?

It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0

See on forum.

73’s de Jacques – F1APY

??

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

?

All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the web site.

Jack, W8TEE

<image001.jpg>


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

 

Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance. Why can't the code be compiled once and the resulting machine code be distributed instead of everyone having to compile their own code?

Roy
WA0YMH

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 12:52 PM Art Olson <olson339@... wrote:
Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,

?

It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0

See on forum.

73’s de Jacques – F1APY

??

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

?

All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the web site.

Jack, W8TEE

<image001.jpg>


Re: Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

 

开云体育

Jack
I vaguely recall some discussion about cutting the 5 volt pad on the teensy. Is this still necessary or am I off target.?

Art N2AJO


On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:56 AM, jjpurdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I could be, I just don't know right now. Still investigating.

Jack, W8TEE



On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 10:48:00 AM EST, f1apy - Jacques <f1apy@...> wrote:


Hello Jack,

?

It’s possible that Teensyduino version is not good with Arduino IDE version 1.8.8, I have encountered some problems in past when I work with teensy 2.0

See on forum.

73’s de Jacques – F1APY

??

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE version 1.8.8 issues

?

All:

I just used Version 1.8.8 of the Arduino IDE and it appears that the code does NOT work with that version. As you can see here:

<image001.jpg>

it does work on 1.8.7. So, even though the latest doc file shows the 1.8.8 compiler, don't upgrade for now until I figure out where the issue is with 1.8.8. (This is one reason why my system has 18 versions of the IDE on it going back to 1.05.)

Also, look in the JackAl.h header file at the #include files. Any non-standard libraries will have the download URL as a comment on the line where you can download/install the new libraries. Some of these libraries have changed in recent months, so you might want to update them. Don't forget, you must close the IDE after any new library is installed and reopen it for the new library to be accessed. Also, the standard RA8875 library is missing a modification we did to it. You? can download our version from the web site.

Jack, W8TEE

<image001.jpg>


Speaker connection

PeteWK8S
 

In the manual there is a picture of the SPEAKER ?connection on the JackAL board. What is that connected to?? ? The diagram schematic show the speaker jack is connected to the uBitx PCB Audio connector. ?This confuses me a bit but I admit I'm easily confused. :-)

Pete WK8S


Re: Arduino IDE 1.8.8 issues continued

 

Rick:

You can leave the #define's for Al and I untouched, as they will not affect your calibration. We did that because we exchanged code on a regular basis, but the calibration numbers where different for each of our machines. Leave the #define DEBUG uncommented so you can use the Serial monitor object. It doesn't hurt anything to have the scaffolding code in place, as it only adds a couple of K to the code size. Later on, if you want to, you can comment it out and the code size will shrink a little.

Jack, W8TEE

On Monday, January 21, 2019, 8:52:53 AM EST, Rick Price <rickprice48@...> wrote:


Hi Jack,
While looking at the JackAL.h file to check the download library links I noticed line 6, #define Jack? //Jack's 5" inch display, was commented out.? Line 4, #define DEBUG was not commented out, but the wording says //comment out when not debugging.? Does Jack's 5" display and Al's 5" display need to be used or just one?or the other?when using a 5" display.? The IDE will compile it either way with the same warnings.?
?
Rick, KN4AIE



From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE 1.8.8 issues continued

All:

You should never have ANY library that does not match the header and cpp file in the library. Any file that ends in "master" tells me you have left the extracted ZIP file on path. That's usually not a good idea, especially when it tries to "use" it. Your errors below says that is used the RA8875 library, but a dollar to a donut it's not OUR version of the library. Also, when you see the word "(legacy)" at the end of a linker line, usually this means it found multiple copies and used an older version of the library. It's pretty clear it's not the library tied into the Teensy path.

Jack, W8TEE

On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 2:59:04 PM EST, Art Olson <olson339@...> wrote:


Jack

?

Ok flat forehead – change teensy board. Got further but

?

Multiple libraries were found for "Audio.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Audio

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Audio-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Audio-master

Multiple libraries were found for "Rotary.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Rotary-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Rotary-master

Multiple libraries were found for "TimeLib.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Multiple libraries were found for "UTFT.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\UTFT

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\UTFT

Multiple libraries were found for "OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master

Multiple libraries were found for "SerialFlash.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SerialFlash

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\SerialFlash-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\SerialFlash-master

Multiple libraries were found for "Adafruit_GFX.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Adafruit_GFX

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Adafruit-GFX-Library-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Adafruit-GFX-Library-master

Multiple libraries were found for "RA8875.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\RA8875

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Multiple libraries were found for "URTouch.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\URTouch

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\URTouch

Multiple libraries were found for "UTFT_Buttons.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT_Buttons

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\UTFT_Buttons

Multiple libraries were found for "SD.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SD

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\SD

Using library EEPROM at version 2.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\EEPROM

Using library Wire at version 1.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Wire

Using library SPI at version 1.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SPI

Using library OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master (legacy)

Using library Audio at version 1.3 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Audio

Using library SD at version 1.2.2 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SD

Using library SerialFlash at version 0.5 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SerialFlash

Using library Adafruit_GFX at version 1.2.3 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Adafruit_GFX

Using library RA8875 at version 0.70.11 in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Using library Rotary-master in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Rotary-master (legacy)

Using library Time-master at version 1.5 in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Using library TimerOne at version 1.1 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\TimerOne

Using library UTFT in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT (legacy)

Using library URTouch in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\URTouch (legacy)

Using library UTFT_Buttons in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT_Buttons (legacy)

Error compiling for board Teensy 3.6.

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Art

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 2:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE 1.8.8 issues continued

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Art:

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The message:

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'A21' was not declared in this scope

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tells me you are not using the Teensy 3.6 board under the Tools --> Boards option of the Arduino IDE. The Teensy core before 3.5 can issue that message because the analog ports were expanded. Check which board you are using. Also, did you download our RA8875 library and install it? We had to change it because it was not updated for the Teensy 3.6.

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Jack, W8TEE

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On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 2:46:48 PM EST, Art Olson <olson339@...> wrote:

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Jack

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This is as far as I can get. It appears the IDE is opting to use

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Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\RA8875

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I have gone thru and uninstalled the IDE and deleted directories identified on the users\users… path. Then reinstalled IDE at c:\Arduino1.8.7 path

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Results below

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Multiple libraries were found for "RA8875.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\RA8875

Multiple libraries were found for "TimeLib.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Multiple libraries were found for "UTFT.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\UTFT

Multiple libraries were found for "Audio.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Audio

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Audio-master

Multiple libraries were found for "SD.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SD

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\SD

Multiple libraries were found for "SerialFlash.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SerialFlash

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\SerialFlash-master

Multiple libraries were found for "Adafruit_GFX.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Adafruit_GFX

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Adafruit-GFX-Library-master

Using library EEPROM at version 2.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\EEPROM

Using library Wire at version 1.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Wire

Using library SPI at version 1.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SPI

Using library OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master (legacy)

Using library Audio at version 1.3 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Audio

Using library SD at version 1.2.2 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SD

Using library SerialFlash at version 0.5 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SerialFlash

Using library Adafruit_GFX at version 1.2.3 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Adafruit_GFX

Using library RA8875 at version 0.70.11 in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Using library Rotary-master in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Rotary-master (legacy)

Using library Time-master at version 1.5 in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Using library TimerOne at version 1.1 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\TimerOne

Using library UTFT in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT (legacy)

Using library URTouch in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\URTouch (legacy)

Using library UTFT_Buttons in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT_Buttons (legacy)

'A21' was not declared in this scope

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Art N2AJO

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 1:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE 1.8.8 issues continued

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All:

I think I've found the compiler problem, but I'm not sure what's the best way to fix it. It appears that the new 1.8.8 release of the IDE changed the way the compiler handles duplicate definitions in library files. As it turns out, the files:

control_tlv320aic3206,cpp

control_tlv320aic3206.h

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are duplicated in the Audio and OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary libraries. I removed those two files from the OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary and the code compile/uploaded and appears to work just fine. If you do this, remember you must unload/reload the IDE after any changes to the libraries. If you're using Version 1.8.7, you shouldn't have any issues.

When you compile the JackAl code, you will still get quite a few warnings. However, one of these says a variable is unused (e.g., delta), but that's not correct as it is used in an if/else statement block. Another says halfway is defined but not used. That one is legit, and I should have removed it. All of the rest of the warnings are within the library files. Since they are warnings, they can be ignored. True, I could go into the library code and fix them, but my feeling is that the author(s) of the libraries should be fixing their code, not me.

As to the duplicate library code, Al and I are still deciding the best way to handle it. Also, we notice that the Teensyduino install now installs a number of non-standard library files that we use, which means you would not have to download/install them yourself. We just want to make sure that those libraries are the same versions we are using...likely they are. When we figure out how we want to handle these issues, we will do another post here. My guess it will be tomorrow, as there are some football games I want to watch today!

Thanks for your patience...

Jack, W8TEE

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Virus-free.


Re: Arduino IDE 1.8.8 issues continued

Rick Price
 

开云体育

Hi Jack,
While looking at the JackAL.h file to check the download library links I noticed line 6, #define Jack? //Jack's 5" inch display, was commented out.? Line 4, #define DEBUG was not commented out, but the wording says //comment out when not debugging.? Does Jack's 5" display and Al's 5" display need to be used or just one?or the other?when using a 5" display.? The IDE will compile it either way with the same warnings.?
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Rick, KN4AIE



From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE 1.8.8 issues continued

All:

You should never have ANY library that does not match the header and cpp file in the library. Any file that ends in "master" tells me you have left the extracted ZIP file on path. That's usually not a good idea, especially when it tries to "use" it. Your errors below says that is used the RA8875 library, but a dollar to a donut it's not OUR version of the library. Also, when you see the word "(legacy)" at the end of a linker line, usually this means it found multiple copies and used an older version of the library. It's pretty clear it's not the library tied into the Teensy path.

Jack, W8TEE

On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 2:59:04 PM EST, Art Olson <olson339@...> wrote:


Jack

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Ok flat forehead – change teensy board. Got further but

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Multiple libraries were found for "Audio.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Audio

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Audio-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Audio-master

Multiple libraries were found for "Rotary.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Rotary-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Rotary-master

Multiple libraries were found for "TimeLib.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Multiple libraries were found for "UTFT.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\UTFT

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\UTFT

Multiple libraries were found for "OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master

Multiple libraries were found for "SerialFlash.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SerialFlash

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\SerialFlash-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\SerialFlash-master

Multiple libraries were found for "Adafruit_GFX.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Adafruit_GFX

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Adafruit-GFX-Library-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\Adafruit-GFX-Library-master

Multiple libraries were found for "RA8875.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\RA8875

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Multiple libraries were found for "URTouch.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\URTouch

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\URTouch

Multiple libraries were found for "UTFT_Buttons.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT_Buttons

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\UTFT_Buttons

Multiple libraries were found for "SD.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SD

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\SD

Using library EEPROM at version 2.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\EEPROM

Using library Wire at version 1.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Wire

Using library SPI at version 1.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SPI

Using library OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master (legacy)

Using library Audio at version 1.3 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Audio

Using library SD at version 1.2.2 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SD

Using library SerialFlash at version 0.5 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SerialFlash

Using library Adafruit_GFX at version 1.2.3 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Adafruit_GFX

Using library RA8875 at version 0.70.11 in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Using library Rotary-master in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Rotary-master (legacy)

Using library Time-master at version 1.5 in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Using library TimerOne at version 1.1 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\TimerOne

Using library UTFT in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT (legacy)

Using library URTouch in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\URTouch (legacy)

Using library UTFT_Buttons in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT_Buttons (legacy)

Error compiling for board Teensy 3.6.

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Art

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 2:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JackAl] Arduino IDE 1.8.8 issues continued

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Art:

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The message:

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'A21' was not declared in this scope

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tells me you are not using the Teensy 3.6 board under the Tools --> Boards option of the Arduino IDE. The Teensy core before 3.5 can issue that message because the analog ports were expanded. Check which board you are using. Also, did you download our RA8875 library and install it? We had to change it because it was not updated for the Teensy 3.6.

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Jack, W8TEE

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On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 2:46:48 PM EST, Art Olson <olson339@...> wrote:

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Jack

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This is as far as I can get. It appears the IDE is opting to use

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Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\RA8875

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I have gone thru and uninstalled the IDE and deleted directories identified on the users\users… path. Then reinstalled IDE at c:\Arduino1.8.7 path

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Results below

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Multiple libraries were found for "RA8875.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\RA8875

Multiple libraries were found for "TimeLib.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Time

Multiple libraries were found for "UTFT.h"

Used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\UTFT

Multiple libraries were found for "Audio.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Audio

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Audio-master

Multiple libraries were found for "SD.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SD

Not used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\libraries\SD

Multiple libraries were found for "SerialFlash.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SerialFlash

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\SerialFlash-master

Multiple libraries were found for "Adafruit_GFX.h"

Used: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Adafruit_GFX

Not used: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Adafruit-GFX-Library-master

Using library EEPROM at version 2.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\EEPROM

Using library Wire at version 1.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Wire

Using library SPI at version 1.0 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SPI

Using library OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary-master (legacy)

Using library Audio at version 1.3 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Audio

Using library SD at version 1.2.2 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SD

Using library SerialFlash at version 0.5 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\SerialFlash

Using library Adafruit_GFX at version 1.2.3 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\Adafruit_GFX

Using library RA8875 at version 0.70.11 in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\RA8875

Using library Rotary-master in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Rotary-master (legacy)

Using library Time-master at version 1.5 in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\Time-master

Using library TimerOne at version 1.1 in folder: C:\Arduino 1.8.7\Arduino\hardware\teensy\avr\libraries\TimerOne

Using library UTFT in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT (legacy)

Using library URTouch in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\URTouch (legacy)

Using library UTFT_Buttons in folder: C:\Users\User1\Documents\Arduino\libraries\UTFT_Buttons (legacy)

'A21' was not declared in this scope

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Art N2AJO

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 1:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JackAl] Arduino IDE 1.8.8 issues continued

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All:

I think I've found the compiler problem, but I'm not sure what's the best way to fix it. It appears that the new 1.8.8 release of the IDE changed the way the compiler handles duplicate definitions in library files. As it turns out, the files:

control_tlv320aic3206,cpp

control_tlv320aic3206.h

?

are duplicated in the Audio and OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary libraries. I removed those two files from the OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary and the code compile/uploaded and appears to work just fine. If you do this, remember you must unload/reload the IDE after any changes to the libraries. If you're using Version 1.8.7, you shouldn't have any issues.

When you compile the JackAl code, you will still get quite a few warnings. However, one of these says a variable is unused (e.g., delta), but that's not correct as it is used in an if/else statement block. Another says halfway is defined but not used. That one is legit, and I should have removed it. All of the rest of the warnings are within the library files. Since they are warnings, they can be ignored. True, I could go into the library code and fix them, but my feeling is that the author(s) of the libraries should be fixing their code, not me.

As to the duplicate library code, Al and I are still deciding the best way to handle it. Also, we notice that the Teensyduino install now installs a number of non-standard library files that we use, which means you would not have to download/install them yourself. We just want to make sure that those libraries are the same versions we are using...likely they are. When we figure out how we want to handle these issues, we will do another post here. My guess it will be tomorrow, as there are some football games I want to watch today!

Thanks for your patience...

Jack, W8TEE

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Virus-free.