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Hi,
I have a permit from Tuolumne Meadows over Donoghue Pass which I originally planned to exit in Onion Valley. I won't be able to do the entire trip now, and am hoping to split it over a few trips. Is it possible on this permit to change the plan to do an out and back loop, e.g. Tuolumne Meadows to Ansel Adams and back to Yosemite Valley.
Geraldine.
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Hi Geraldine,
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I guess you do not yet have a permit, but a permit reservation. As long as it is only a reservation it should be editable, and you can change anything but entry date and entry trailhead. Thus: yes.
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While you may also make it from Tuolumne to VVR and leave from there to Fresno?
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Henning
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BTW, I will most probably start from VVR sobo on June 4th
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Gesendet:?Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2022 um 13:23 Uhr
Von:?"Ger Murphy via groups.io" <germurphymail@...>
An:[email protected]
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Hi,
I have a permit from Tuolumne Meadows over Donoghue Pass which I originally planned to exit in Onion Valley. I won't be able to do the entire trip now, and am hoping to split it over a few trips. Is it possible on this permit to change the plan to do an out and back loop, e.g. Tuolumne Meadows to Ansel Adams and back to Yosemite Valley.
Geraldine.
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Thanks Henning. Great suggestion. I see there is a hiker shuttle from VVR to Fresno.
On Thu, 19 May 2022 at 12:29 pm, Henning Rech <whrech@...> wrote: Hi Geraldine,
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I guess you do not yet have a permit, but a permit reservation. As long as it is only a reservation it should be editable, and you can change anything but entry date and entry trailhead. Thus: yes.
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While you may also make it from Tuolumne to VVR and leave from there to Fresno?
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Henning
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BTW, I will most probably start from VVR sobo on June 4th
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Gesendet:?Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2022 um 13:23 Uhr
Von:?"Ger Murphy via groups.io" <germurphymail@...>
An:[email protected]
Betreff:?[JMT-groups.io] Permit Exit Trail
Hi,
I have a permit from Tuolumne Meadows over Donoghue Pass which I originally planned to exit in Onion Valley. I won't be able to do the entire trip now, and am hoping to split it over a few trips. Is it possible on this permit to change the plan to do an out and back loop, e.g. Tuolumne Meadows to Ansel Adams and back to Yosemite Valley.
Geraldine.
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The hard and fast rules for wilderness permits are: 1) starting on the start date of the permit, 2) at the trailhead on the permit, 3) with only the indicated trip leader and number of people specified on the permit (plus the various rules about where you can and can't camp). The rest of the trip itinerary information rec dot com asks you to provide is safety info so they know where to look for you if someone reports you missing. I agree with Henning that if you can edit the itinerary before the permit is issued, that's probably best. However, technically you wouldn't be in violation of your permit if your route or itinerary changed after you start.?
On Thursday, 19 May 2022, 10:10:29 pm AEST, Ger Murphy via groups.io <germurphymail@...> wrote:
Thanks Henning. Great suggestion. I see there is a hiker shuttle from VVR to Fresno.
On Thu, 19 May 2022 at 12:29 pm, Henning Rech <whrech@...> wrote: Hi Geraldine,
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I guess you do not yet have a permit, but a permit reservation. As long as it is only a reservation it should be editable, and you can change anything but entry date and entry trailhead. Thus: yes.
?
While you may also make it from Tuolumne to VVR and leave from there to Fresno?
?
Henning
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BTW, I will most probably start from VVR sobo on June 4th
?
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Gesendet:?Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2022 um 13:23 Uhr
Von:?"Ger Murphy via groups.io" <germurphymail@...>
An:[email protected]
Betreff:?[JMT-groups.io] Permit Exit Trail
Hi,
I have a permit from Tuolumne Meadows over Donoghue Pass which I originally planned to exit in Onion Valley. I won't be able to do the entire trip now, and am hoping to split it over a few trips. Is it possible on this permit to change the plan to do an out and back loop, e.g. Tuolumne Meadows to Ansel Adams and back to Yosemite Valley.
Geraldine.
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The other key thing to do is to leave a note in your car dash to
the itinerary adjustment; if you are parking your car at the
trailhead. Otherwise, be sure friends and family know the
adjustment.
From my search days and teaching of Hug-A-Tree, I recommend
leaving a footprint at the car as well for trackers to use in case
one gets lost.
Two Dogs
On 5/19/2022 15:12, Lange Jorstad via
groups.io wrote:
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The hard and fast rules for
wilderness permits are: 1) starting on the start date of the
permit, 2) at the trailhead on the permit, 3) with only the
indicated trip leader and number of people specified on the
permit (plus the
various rules about where you can and can't camp).
The rest of the trip itinerary information rec dot com asks
you to provide is safety info so they know where to look for
you if someone reports you missing. I agree with Henning
that if you can edit the itinerary before the permit is
issued, that's probably best. However, technically you
wouldn't be in violation of your permit if your route or
itinerary changed after you start.?
On Thursday, 19 May 2022, 10:10:29 pm AEST, Ger Murphy
via groups.io <germurphymail@...>
wrote:
Thanks Henning. Great suggestion. I see there is a
hiker shuttle from VVR to Fresno.
Geraldine.
On Thu, 19 May 2022 at 12:29 pm, Henning Rech
Hi Geraldine,
?
I guess you do not yet have a permit,
but a permit reservation. As long as it is
only a reservation it should be editable,
and you can change anything but entry date
and entry trailhead. Thus: yes.
?
While you may also make it from
Tuolumne to VVR and leave from there to
Fresno?
?
Henning
?
BTW, I will most probably start from
VVR sobo on June 4th
?
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Hi,
I have a permit from Tuolumne
Meadows over Donoghue Pass which I
originally planned to exit in Onion
Valley. I won't be able to do the
entire trip now, and am hoping to
split it over a few trips. Is it
possible on this permit to change
the plan to do an out and back loop,
e.g. Tuolumne Meadows to Ansel Adams
and back to Yosemite Valley.
Geraldine.
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Here is a handy, easy to use form for creating an itinerary that you can leave in your vehicle and leave with others.
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Nice site Robert. Though my many classes with Hug-A-Tree, a great
way to leave a bootprint is use aluminum foil. Place a sheet on
top of a few towels. Step carefully onto the aluminum foil. Roll
around with the soles to get a good imprint. Carefully step off.
There is now a nice set of prints. Mark with your name, if more
than one person. Place in vehicle.
Two Dogs
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Here is a handy, easy to use form for creating an itinerary that
you can leave in your vehicle and leave with others.
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Is the footprint's purpose to leave scent for dogs or for human trackers to find?? The human tracker would have to be VERY good to find that specific track "needle" in the haystack of hundreds of footprints on the trail...
-- Byron NevinsLead Moderator of JMT at groups.io
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Footprint is usually for the trackers. ?We use it to get a direction of travel-cuts the search area. ?Difficult to follow over long stretches. ?We use a scent article for the dogs - recently worn shirt or gloves for example ?
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On May 20, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Byron Nevins <byron.nevins@...> wrote:
? Is the footprint's purpose to leave scent for dogs or for human trackers to find?? The human tracker would have to be VERY good to find that specific track "needle" in the haystack of hundreds of footprints on the trail...
-- Byron NevinsLead Moderator of JMT at groups.io
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OK, from a canine search and rescue perspective, which I was a
trailing handler for 25 years, I did not talk about scent
articles. Here is the scent article scoop. Only the subject should
create the scent article.
- Use unscented zip-lock plastic bags, sandwich or quart
freezer. 3 or more.
- Use unscented kleenex / tissue. Rub in arm pit, nape of neck,
crotch (no feces). Idea is to get some good sweat/scent on the
tissue. You can even throw in clothing pieces if you want - I
have used underwear articles and socks. I even used car seats a
few times.
- Place tissue in zip lock bag - 1 to 2 per.
- Place multiple zip locks into a larger zip lock, gallon size.
- Mark outside of large zip lock with subject's name.
- Place bag at floor of vehicle out of direct sun as much as
possible.
You can further note on the bag, "Collected per CARDA handler
guideline." I am CARDA 169. This later will tell SAR teams the
quality of the scent article. Worst thing to do is put the scent
article in a paper bag, which is porous and will collect other
scents in the area. Placement on vehicle floor is good. As for
temperature, it should be acceptable. I have actually had my dog
work with a scent article that was in my car for a year before
being used. It was kept in a zip lock bag the entire time.
Key is to avoid getting anyone else's scent on the scent article.
Even the exterior of the bag can hold scent. I have worked with
contaminated scent articles, but there are limitations and details
that must be followed to ensure the scent article can be used with
reliability.
I can discuss more if people want. I am currently working on a
book on how to train trailing dogs. Scent article collection will
be contained within.
Two Dogs
On 5/20/2022 09:00, Byron Nevins wrote:
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Is the footprint's purpose to leave scent for dogs
or for human trackers to find?? The human tracker would have to
be VERY good to find that specific track "needle" in the
haystack of hundreds of footprints on the trail...
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Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at groups.io
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To add to that last email, The footprint is for the trackers.
Trailing dog teams should also be able to use footprints as well.
I use them to confirm my dog's work. I.e. if my dog is working in
an area that has some good track traps (open dirt areas), I look
at the ground to see if I can see any matching tracks or signs.
Also, the flankers are to keep an eye out as well for signs.
SAR is a puzzle game where we constantly look for clues - How is
the trailing dog working? Is there an article/item that belongs to
the subject? etc.
Two Dogs
On 5/20/2022 09:00, Byron Nevins wrote:
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Is the footprint's purpose to leave scent for dogs
or for human trackers to find?? The human tracker would have to
be VERY good to find that specific track "needle" in the
haystack of hundreds of footprints on the trail...
--
Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at groups.io
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So since we are searching for the subject s/he is not available to give us the scent article. ?We usually send the handler (often ?a CARDA person) into the house with the family to get the best piece - scent article. ?Then as you say.
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On May 20, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Derek Koonce <derek@...> wrote:
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To add to that last email, The footprint is for the trackers.
Trailing dog teams should also be able to use footprints as well.
I use them to confirm my dog's work. I.e. if my dog is working in
an area that has some good track traps (open dirt areas), I look
at the ground to see if I can see any matching tracks or signs.
Also, the flankers are to keep an eye out as well for signs.
SAR is a puzzle game where we constantly look for clues - How is
the trailing dog working? Is there an article/item that belongs to
the subject? etc.
Two Dogs
On 5/20/2022 09:00, Byron Nevins wrote:
Is the footprint's purpose to leave scent for dogs
or for human trackers to find?? The human tracker would have to
be VERY good to find that specific track "needle" in the
haystack of hundreds of footprints on the trail...
--
Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at groups.io
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I would love to read a book about training trailing dogs.? Please post here when you publish it!
-- Byron NevinsLead Moderator of JMT at groups.io
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Ger Murphy
Henning Rech
Lange Jorstad
Derek Koonce