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As a physician I would encourage all of us to practice good viral hygiene while on our adventures. ?This means: get vaccinated and boosted. ?Don't travel if you are ill, and wear a mask when you are inside in town or on a shuttle. ?We would not poop in a creek, so why would we spread corona virus in Bishop. ?Do this for the weak, the elderly, those with organ transplants. ?Do this because you are good stewards and compassionate people who care. ? We have already seen the ill effects of travelers on these small towns. ?Unfortunately, we have been bombarded with a lot of distraction, emotion and frankly selfish behavior that has nothing to do with public health. ?We are also emotionally exhausted. I know I am. A walk in the woods is the best medicine for that. ?I am cautiously optimistic for the future even as omicron burns through the population like a grass fire. ?Perhaps soon the viral fires will be smoldering and less disruptive. Please be selfless and kind. ?Drop the vitriol. ?There is too much suffering already.?
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Please stop…only interested in backpacking related topics?
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On Feb 11, 2022, at 7:30 AM, Tom Kennefick via groups.io <tomkennefick@...> wrote:
?As a physician I would encourage all of us to practice good viral hygiene while on our adventures. ?This means: get vaccinated and boosted. ?Don't travel if you are ill, and wear a mask when you are inside in town or on a shuttle. ?We would not poop in a creek, so why would we spread corona virus in Bishop. ?Do this for the weak, the elderly, those with organ transplants. ?Do this because you are good stewards and compassionate people who care. ? We have already seen the ill effects of travelers on these small towns. ?Unfortunately, we have been bombarded with a lot of distraction, emotion and frankly selfish behavior that has nothing to do with public health. ?We are also emotionally exhausted. I know I am. A walk in the woods is the best medicine for that. ?I am cautiously optimistic for the future even as omicron burns through the population like a grass fire. ?Perhaps soon the viral fires will be smoldering and less disruptive. Please be selfless and kind. ?Drop the vitriol. ?There is too much suffering already.?
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Our backpacking trips impact neighboring communities, many of which are remote and lack the resources of larger cities. It’s why many Indian reservations remain closed to outsiders to this day.
I’m fully aware that some people consider flouting public health to be core to their political identify these days, but that doesn’t make this a political or off topic message. This?was a physician sharing advice about public health in a very relevant context.?Thank you Tom.
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I am also a physician. This is not a public health forum. Please stop.
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On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Juan Melli <jmelli@...> wrote: ? Our backpacking trips impact neighboring communities, many of which are remote and lack the resources of larger cities. It’s why many Indian reservations remain closed to outsiders to this day.
I’m fully aware that some people consider flouting public health to be core to their political identify these days, but that doesn’t make this a political or off topic message. This?was a physician sharing advice about public health in a very relevant context.?Thank you Tom.
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So we shouldn't talk about giardia and filtering water either. This is not a public health forum.
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There are significant differences between the JMT-relationship of the post that started this thread vs. calling COVID the "China virus" a post here without any need to use the very charged word.
You would have to be clueless to not understand that "China virus" is a polemical, partisan intrusion of political identity inserted into a JMT related discussion about permit frustration.
Please stop.
BTW I was the owner of the Yahoo group for over 10 years before its migration here and remain one of the owners. We have developed over the years a particular aversion to the insertion of the political issues into the group. We have deleted comments that stray into politics both in the liberal and conservative direction and will continue to do so. Members who repeatedly flout those rules risk being banned from the group. Thee three Facebook groups on the JMT have the same policy. Maybe you can try Reddit. I understand there is a JMT forum there that maybe has a more permissive attitude.
We also have Chinese-American and Chinese members here that might well have left the group if we did not take a position as your moderators on this.
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And you moderators have done a great job of keeping the lid on this forum.? Keep it up!
Pete Klein
On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 8:23 AM John Ladd < johnladd@...> wrote: There are significant differences between the JMT-relationship of the post that started this thread vs. calling COVID the "China virus" a post here without any need to use the very charged word.
You would have to be clueless to not understand that "China virus" is a polemical, partisan intrusion of political identity inserted into a JMT elated discussion. Please stop.
Btw I was the owner of the Yahoo group before its migration here and remain one of the owners. We have developed over the years a particular aversion to the insertion of the political issues into the group. We have deleted comments that stray into politics both in the liberal and conservative direction and will continue to do so. Members who repeated l flout those rules risk banning from the group. Thee three Facebook groups on the JMT have the same policy. Maybe you can try Reddit. I understand there is a JMT forum there that maybe has a more permissive attitude.
We also have Chinese-American and Chinese members here that might well have left the group if we did not take a position as your moderators on this.
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John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
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And you moderators have done a great job of keeping the lid on this forum.? Keep it up!
Pete Klein On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 8:23 AM John Ladd < johnladd@...> wrote: There are significant differences between the JMT-relationship of the post that started this thread vs. calling COVID the "China virus" a post here without any need to use the very charged word.
You would have to be clueless to not understand that "China virus" is a polemical, partisan intrusion of political identity inserted into a JMT elated discussion. Please stop.
Btw I was the owner of the Yahoo group before its migration here and remain one of the owners. We have developed over the years a particular aversion to the insertion of the political issues into the group. We have deleted comments that stray into politics both in the liberal and conservative direction and will continue to do so. Members who repeated l flout those rules risk banning from the group. Thee three Facebook groups on the JMT have the same policy. Maybe you can try Reddit. I understand there is a JMT forum there that maybe has a more permissive attitude.
We also have Chinese-American and Chinese members here that might well have left the group if we did not take a position as your moderators on this.
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John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA? 94114-3707
415-648-9279
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Thank you John!? Well said.
Ethan Gallogly "When you see a new trail, or a footprint you do not know, follow it to the point of knowing."? - Uncheedah
Agreed! Thank you.
And you moderators have done a great job of keeping the lid on this forum.? Keep it up!
Pete Klein On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 8:23 AM John Ladd < johnladd@...> wrote: There are significant differences between the JMT-relationship of the post that started this thread vs. calling COVID the "China virus" a post here without any need to use the very charged word.
You would have to be clueless to not understand that "China virus" is a polemical, partisan intrusion of political identity inserted into a JMT elated discussion. Please stop.
Btw I was the owner of the Yahoo group before its migration here and remain one of the owners. We have developed over the years a particular aversion to the insertion of the political issues into the group. We have deleted comments that stray into politics both in the liberal and conservative direction and will continue to do so. Members who repeated l flout those rules risk banning from the group. Thee three Facebook groups on the JMT have the same policy. Maybe you can try Reddit. I understand there is a JMT forum there that maybe has a more permissive attitude.
We also have Chinese-American and Chinese members here that might well have left the group if we did not take a position as your moderators on this.
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John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA? 94114-3707
415-648-9279
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Thanks John for being a voice of reason here. I got a permit for the JMT this year after a few false starts due to Covid.
Really appreciate the community and all the helpful information that is shared.
On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 4:23 pm, John Ladd <johnladd@...> wrote: There are significant differences between the JMT-relationship of the post that started this thread vs. calling COVID the "China virus" a post here without any need to use the very charged word.
You would have to be clueless to not understand that "China virus" is a polemical, partisan intrusion of political identity inserted into a JMT elated discussion. Please stop.
Btw I was the owner of the Yahoo group before its migration here and remain one of the owners. We have developed over the years a particular aversion to the insertion of the political issues into the group. We have deleted comments that stray into politics both in the liberal and conservative direction and will continue to do so. Members who repeated l flout those rules risk banning from the group. Thee three Facebook groups on the JMT have the same policy. Maybe you can try Reddit. I understand there is a JMT forum there that maybe has a more permissive attitude.
We also have Chinese-American and Chinese members here that might well have left the group if we did not take a position as your moderators on this.
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John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA? 94114-3707
415-648-9279
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Always great to hear from you , John! Thank you ?? On the topic of trail alternatives - anyone recently done Merced Pass- Read Peak pass - Iceberg pass all way to Reds? Karina Bezkrovnaia
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On Feb 12, 2022, at 09:39, Ger Murphy via groups.io <germurphymail@...> wrote:
?Thanks John for being a voice of reason here. I got a permit for the JMT this year after a few false starts due to Covid.
Really appreciate the community and all the helpful information that is shared.
Geraldine? On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 4:23 pm, John Ladd <johnladd@...> wrote: There are significant differences between the JMT-relationship of the post that started this thread vs. calling COVID the "China virus" a post here without any need to use the very charged word.
You would have to be clueless to not understand that "China virus" is a polemical, partisan intrusion of political identity inserted into a JMT elated discussion. Please stop.
Btw I was the owner of the Yahoo group before its migration here and remain one of the owners. We have developed over the years a particular aversion to the insertion of the political issues into the group. We have deleted comments that stray into politics both in the liberal and conservative direction and will continue to do so. Members who repeated l flout those rules risk banning from the group. Thee three Facebook groups on the JMT have the same policy. Maybe you can try Reddit. I understand there is a JMT forum there that maybe has a more permissive attitude.
We also have Chinese-American and Chinese members here that might well have left the group if we did not take a position as your moderators on this.
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John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA? 94114-3707
415-648-9279
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Spellchecked edit to my recent comment
There are significant differences between the JMT-relationship of the post that started this thread vs. calling COVID the "China virus" a post here without any need to use the very charged word.
You would have to be clueless to not understand that "China virus" is a polemical, partisan intrusion of political identity inserted into a JMT related discussion about permit frustration.
Please stop.
BTW I was the owner of the Yahoo group for over 10 years before its migration here and remain one of the owners. We have developed over the years a particular aversion to the insertion of the political issues into the group. We have deleted comments that stray
into politics both in the liberal and conservative direction and will continue to do so. Members who repeatedly flout those rules risk being banned from the group. Thee three Facebook groups on the JMT have the same policy. Maybe you can try Reddit. I understand
there is a JMT forum there that maybe has a more permissive attitude.
We also have Chinese-American and Chinese members here that might well have left the group if we did not take a position as your moderators on this.
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John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA? 94114-3707
415-648-9279
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A SNF ranger told me last fall that he didn't expect Mammoth Trail to Reds (over Granite Stairway) to open this year.? That's a key access point from Isberg to Reds, I believe.? You would be wise to call SNF to verify that it's open before setting out.? It COULD be, that the Isberg->Granite Stairway is OK, that only the lower portions of Mammoth Trail are closed.
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Thank you, Rob! Was planning to call anyway. Karina Bezkrovnaia
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On Feb 12, 2022, at 16:04, RobBrandt via groups.io <robbrandt@...> wrote:
?A SNF ranger told me last fall that he didn't expect Mammoth Trail to Reds (over Granite Stairway) to open this year.? That's a key access point from Isberg to Reds, I believe.? You would be wise to call SNF to verify that it's open before setting out.? It COULD be, that the Isberg->Granite Stairway is OK, that only the lower portions of Mammoth Trail are closed.
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