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At Inyo, we had a different permit (High trail from Agnew meadows) but when we went in person to collect, they had a no show for the trail leading to PCT and the ranger gave it to us for no extra fee.

Not sure about Inyo, but my Yosemite permit in 2017 was an on-the-day no-show walk up from the valley (none of which were on the full trailheads report). I was actually there to pick up a permit just

Rob Brandt...you make an interesting point.? Does the no show go back into the system last minute?? Is it available to book?? Perhaps someone at the Wilderness Permit Office could answer that

You do get $10 back when you cancel a rec.giv permit, so there's that....

Remember that what you get online is not a permit, it is a reservation.? You still have to get your permit either in person or by mail.? So, in theory, even if you don't cancel, that permit is

I remember when your wilderness permit was obtained from trailhead sign (sometimes a bulletin board) by simply filling it out and depositing the copy it in the box. No fee. Times do change and the

I agree that there is no monetary incentive to cancelling a permit once it's paid for, if they cannot go for whatever reason. It's just an additional task. I would guess most people just forget about

Raising prices always seems like an obvious idea but becomes a barrier for those with less $, maybe not as much of a big deal for backpacking vs day hikes. (different rates for different trailheads-

Ravi, I agree with your point about the cost of permits being too low. I have been guilty of not cancelling unused permits myself. One idea that wouldn't increase the net cost of a permit would be

Part of the problem is that the cost of the permit is so low and the refund is low so a lot of people cannot be bothered. I don’t have a solution other than to urge people to be considerate of other

I have experience with this last year. I cancelled a permit and saw the number of available permits for that trailhead, that day, immediately increase by two. So, yes, the cancelled permits do go

Yes, that's a good reminder for those that do get permits and for whatever reason can't use them to cancel them as soon as possible. It's unclear to me whether a cancellation within the two weeks

I couldn’t agree with you more. The trail is by no means overcrowded. There are no shows and hikers who can’t hack it that drop off weekly. A better system would be wonderful. Heather

You're probably right, especially for late season, but it's remarkable how quickly any permit that provides access to the JMT is getting taken this year. By next year you'll have to invest in

The past couple years of this new “walk up” system, I noticed that the permits offered in the two week window were often not taken up quickly. I plan to get a permit six months ahead this year but

I did not know there was such a thing as size 18

I have a pair of Leahy hiking boots.? He is a craftsman of a high order, knows what he is doing.? Highly recommended. (I have size 18 feet......)

Since I spend the summers on the eastern slope, I will miss the old walk up permits (note you can still do walkups in many of the wilderness areas north of Yosemite). One thing to remember is that

Good news for those of us who might need to tweak last minute plans but not great for locals who might feel like going backpacking one morning. I know that I’d want that option if I lived on the

Walk up permits will stay online forever most likely since Reservation.gov is not going to want to lose this additional revenue stream. Plus, I am sure this is easier for the rangers too.