Tuolumne Meadows Backpackers Campground
All I can find for an opening date of the Tuolumne Meadows Backpackers Campground is that it will be closed until 2025. Since there is no "through 2025", I assume that it may open next year. Am I correct?
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Does anyone have good intel on the opening?
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Thanks,
Rick
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Re: Lightly used gear - what's still available
The Bearikade Blazer and Zpacks Duplex both sold quickly and went to good homes!
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This one is still available and has worked very well for a solo week or weekend for 2:
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Bearikade Scout (with reflective stripe)
capacity: 500 cu in, width: 9 in x height: 8 in
$225 (free shipping)
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John
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John,
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I’d love the Zpacks Duplex if still available. It will be used well and often so you can still backpack vicariously.?
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Tom?
PS I live in the SF Bay Area?
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Hi John,
If the tent is still available I would be interested in purchasing it.
Thanks,
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On Sep 7, 2024, at 5:05?PM, John Palan via groups.io <john.palan@...> wrote:
Sadly, I haven't been on the trail in a few years, and my backpacking days are officially over. ?
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Here are a few lightly-used items, all in excellent condition:
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Bearikade Blazer (with reflective stripe)
capacity: 750 cu in, width: 9 in x height: 12 in
$275 (free shipping)
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Bearikade Scout (with reflective stripe)
capacity: 500 cu in, width: 9 in x height: 8 in
$225 (free shipping)
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Zpacks Duplex Tent (Olive Drab)
with Duplex groundsheet & titanium V stakes
$300 (free shipping)
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Check out Muir Trail Ranch. ?Easy to drive to and walk in. They will carry your gear. It is right in the middle of JMT. If you have loads of money- they have a helecopter ?pad so you can arrive in stle. Happy Trails.?
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On Sep 7, 2024, at 5:56?PM, Glenn Ramos via groups.io <wanderingramos@...> wrote:
? Heya John,
Sorry to hear that backpacking may be in the rear view mirror. ?Any hope that you can still do shorter overnighters?
That being said, is the Blazer still available? ?If so I’d be interested.?
Take care and talk soon, Glenn On Sep 7, 2024, at 5:19?PM, John Palan via groups.io <john.palan@...> wrote:
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Sadly, I haven't been on the trail in a few years, and my backpacking days are officially over. ?
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Here are a few lightly-used items, all in excellent condition:
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Bearikade Blazer (with reflective stripe)
capacity: 750 cu in, width: 9 in x height: 12 in
$275 (free shipping)
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Bearikade Scout (with reflective stripe)
capacity: 500 cu in, width: 9 in x height: 8 in
$225 (free shipping)
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Zpacks Duplex Tent (Olive Drab)
with Duplex groundsheet & titanium V stakes
$300 (free shipping)
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Heya John,
Sorry to hear that backpacking may be in the rear view mirror. ?Any hope that you can still do shorter overnighters?
That being said, is the Blazer still available? ?If so I’d be interested.?
Take care and talk soon, Glenn
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On Sep 7, 2024, at 5:19?PM, John Palan via groups.io <john.palan@...> wrote:
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Sadly, I haven't been on the trail in a few years, and my backpacking days are officially over. ?
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Here are a few lightly-used items, all in excellent condition:
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Bearikade Blazer (with reflective stripe)
capacity: 750 cu in, width: 9 in x height: 12 in
$275 (free shipping)
?
Bearikade Scout (with reflective stripe)
capacity: 500 cu in, width: 9 in x height: 8 in
$225 (free shipping)
?
Zpacks Duplex Tent (Olive Drab)
with Duplex groundsheet & titanium V stakes
$300 (free shipping)
?
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Sadly, I haven't been on the trail in a few years, and my backpacking days are officially over. ?
?
Here are a few lightly-used items, all in excellent condition:
?
Bearikade Blazer (with reflective stripe)
capacity: 750 cu in, width: 9 in x height: 12 in
$275 (free shipping)
?
Bearikade Scout (with reflective stripe)
capacity: 500 cu in, width: 9 in x height: 8 in
$225 (free shipping)
?
Zpacks Duplex Tent (Olive Drab)
with Duplex groundsheet & titanium V stakes
$300 (free shipping)
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Hi CJ,?
I'm not at all suggesting that you would be better off with two single-person DCF tents, just pointing out how much bigger the Durston XMid Pro 2 is compared to another two-person DCF tent with similar interior dimensions.? The issues I had happened to be at
campsites where there were multiple sites anyway, so I spent maybe a minute or two finding a spot that would work.? One was along the south fork of the San Joaquin east of Paiute Creek, where there were multiple spots that could fit a Duplex but the Durston
would be a little tighter.? There was a time we were meeting a couple who were resupplying us at Flower Lake near Onion Valley.? We wanted to camp near them and there were several spots that would have fit a Duplex but only one cramped one that fit a Durston.?
There were also a couple nights where we were camping with another person (who used a Duplex) and I asked to take the larger of the available spots.? ?
If you are accustomed?to finding a spot for a 3-person tent, then I imagine you can ignore my complaint.? Also, I was probably being over-picky, looking for spots that would have a really good pitch.? ?I would be more concerned about using the Durston in a
situation where I'm camping with a group of hikers in tighter spots on the PCT.? In order to conserve space, I've set up my Duplex right next to bushes by securing one apex to the bush.? That's something I can't really do in the Durston.??
One other, minor, issue about the Durston is that in 2-person mode the preferred sleeping arrangement is head-to-toe, in order to line up with the tent apex.? That works as long as campsite is flat, which we found close to half the time.? On a sloped surface,
it is better if both campers sleep in the same direction.? In that case one person is aligned with the Apex and the other one has a sloped ceiling close to their head.??
Greg
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@Greg: ?Do you remember where on the JMT you were unable to find a spot for the XMid Pro 2? ?And, how much further you had to go to find a suitable spot? ?I ask because one of the reasons for getting the Pro 2 over the Pro 1, is half my backpacking trips
will be with a 2nd person and half will be solo. ?So, on the half with a second person, we would either need two (expensive) single-person DCF tents with space to pitch them both, or one 2-person DCF and finding a single larger spot to accommodate the larger
footprint.
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When I did the High Sierra Trail, the only place where I was not sure I could have pitched my Copper Spur
UL3 (giant footprint compared to the XMids, was at the rock sites just before the Trail Junction to Whitney Summit/Whitney Portal. ?Everywhere else, including Guitar Lake, it was very easy to find suitable sites.
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@David: ?The vote of confidence in high winds really helps because that is my concern with a trekking pole tent. ?
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One big takeaway is that once I buy the tent, I will have to practice pitching it at home multiple times so I am comfortable with it.
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It is also clear that Durston's sell out as they seem to be, once again. ?This is why sales are not necessary. ?At this point, I do not see myself doing any backpacking this season, so I can wait until next spring to buy the tent in time for the Summer
2025 backpacking season. ?I can also see that Durston is getting more popular since there are long periods of silence between my sending them an email query and their responses. ?I hope that *if* I do need a repair, they are more prompt since they do have
a legendary reputation for standing behind their packs, just like ZPacks and the others.
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CJ
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A trick I use when it's very windy or no dirt to pound stakes into is to put rocks INSIDE the tent in the corners of the tent. Sometimes for all night, sometimes just to hold it in place while I use my paracord to secure it to trees/rocks.
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Just choose your rocks carefully to avoid sharp edges that will cut the tent fabric.
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Since 1969, I have used a tarp, tropic screen, and a single wall tent and never used stakes!!! For each line a figure eight with a bite then girth hitch that loop around any size rock has always been sufficient. I back that up with a spectra climbing cord wrapped hitch style around a tree branch or large rock. NO knots to untie!!!? Cheers, Steve Thaw, Moraga, CA? ? ?
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@Greg: ?Do you remember where on the JMT you were unable to find a spot for the XMid Pro 2? ?And, how much further you had to go to find a suitable spot? ?I ask because one of the reasons for getting the Pro 2 over the Pro 1, is half my backpacking trips will be with a 2nd person and half will be solo. ?So, on the half with a second person, we would either need two (expensive) single-person DCF tents with space to pitch them both, or one 2-person DCF and finding a single larger spot to accommodate the larger footprint.
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When I did the High Sierra Trail, the only place where I was not sure I could have pitched my Copper Spur UL3 (giant footprint compared to the XMids, was at the rock sites just before the Trail Junction to Whitney Summit/Whitney Portal. ?Everywhere else, including Guitar Lake, it was very easy to find suitable sites.
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@David: ?The vote of confidence in high winds really helps because that is my concern with a trekking pole tent. ?
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One big takeaway is that once I buy the tent, I will have to practice pitching it at home multiple times so I am comfortable with it.
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It is also clear that Durston's sell out as they seem to be, once again. ?This is why sales are not necessary. ?At this point, I do not see myself doing any backpacking this season, so I can wait until next spring to buy the tent in time for the Summer 2025 backpacking season. ?I can also see that Durston is getting more popular since there are long periods of silence between my sending them an email query and their responses. ?I hope that *if* I do need a repair, they are more prompt since they do have a legendary reputation for standing behind their packs, just like ZPacks and the others.
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CJ
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That should read Zpacks did the repair.?
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On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:15?PM, Mike McCormick via groups.io <mike.mccormick@...> wrote:
? I have a Duplex of about your vintage. It doesn’t have quite the trips on it as yours. Mine got a significant abrasion hole in it during an extended Sierras storm with high winds. Slacks did the repair for me. The patch has held fine. Great tent, great service.? On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:53?PM, Greg <greg.r.ford@...> wrote:
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Regarding durability of DCF tents vs Sil-nylon, look at the buyer's guide Tarptent's website () They estimate that DCF has 2/3 the life of Sil-nylon.??
My own experience with DCF has been with a Zpacks Duplex, which I started using in 2019 and currently has 60-80 nights of use. I have patched it numerous?times due to pinhole abrasions.? There has also been a slow tear coming down from the apex that I have
patched but it keeps on spreading.? I will continue to use this tent for shorter trips but due to concerns about wear and tear of the Duplex I ended up buying a Durston XMid Pro 2 (DCF tent with the sil floor option) for a JMT through hike that I just completed
with my wife.? Despite concerns about durability, I still like DCF due to the low weight.??
The Durston has some nice design features but be aware that it requires a big footprint due to the design of the vestibules.? The 2 person is bigger than the Duplex, which is not a small tent.? There were a couple tent sites I had to pass on because of the
Durston's size.?
I have used three different trekking pole tents on granite and have not had any problems, although I will admit I haven't had to set up in high wind situations.? I usually set a stake through the guy line and lay it down on the ground like a dead man, then
place large rocks on top of the stake.??
Greg
I just had the X-Mid Pro 1 out on the JMT. Had no trouble pitching it.? Leave initial slack at all four corners with the pegs at 45 degrees. Easy to adjust from there. Wasn't easy, but pitched it in high winds with little rock big rock in Dusy
Basin. Big rock needed to be very big/multiple rocks since tent was still dragging rocks on first corner secured before reinforcement added. Happy with tent overall. I had the footprint and wrapped it around the rest of the tent when rolling it up. Still fit
in bag.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2024, 8:16 AM Tom Kennefick via
<tomkennefick= [email protected]> wrote:
I make all my gear and have no opinion on makes or models, but I am very interested in outdoor fabrics.? DCF. is the gold standard for shelter material.? If you can afford it, buy it.? You won’t regret it. ? Silpoly does not absorb water and
stretch like silnylon and is more abrasion resistant than DCF.? I believe Dan Durston uses it as the floor material.? I have made a bivy with a silpoly floor and aside from being very slippery it is working out great. ?(Seam sealer fixed the slippery problem.)
Re: pack material.? In my opinion, abrasion resistance and waterproofing are most important.? Look for taped or sealed seams.? Packs take a lot of abuse and have a shorter life expectancy than shelters. ? I have no experience with Ultra fabrics, but they
are well reviewed.? My next pack will likely be made with Ultra.
?I find noise from my pack usually comes from something inside (e.g. my foam pad rubbing on something). ? If a pack is loaded and tight, I doubt the fabric will make much noise.
My 2p.
On Aug 27, 2024, at 7:27?AM, Ian Goldsmith <ian@...> wrote:
?DCF is very strong.? I have a ZPacks Duplex and it’s very hard wearing.? It is a bit plasticy and can be noisy in the wind.
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Ian Goldsmith - +1 310 612 5649
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It seems the zPacks Hexamid was also DCF??? I googled it and found an old review that mentioned "cuben fiber." ?According to google (again), cuben fiber is the same as DCF.? Since you had a DCF tent, did you find it super noisy or plastic-y?? When I read
Lange's and your descriptions, I imagine a fine, thin material that will need to be babied, but that will also shave off a good pound of weight compared to the non-DCF version. ?
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As an aside, when we first got our Copper Spur UL, we thought THAT was a light, thin-walled tent.? Now, that is too heavy!
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CJ
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I have a Duplex of about your vintage. It doesn’t have quite the trips on it as yours. Mine got a significant abrasion hole in it during an extended Sierras storm with high winds. Slacks did the repair for me. The patch has held fine. Great tent, great service.?
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On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:53?PM, Greg <greg.r.ford@...> wrote:
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Regarding durability of DCF tents vs Sil-nylon, look at the buyer's guide Tarptent's website () They estimate that DCF has 2/3 the life of Sil-nylon.??
My own experience with DCF has been with a Zpacks Duplex, which I started using in 2019 and currently has 60-80 nights of use. I have patched it numerous?times due to pinhole abrasions.? There has also been a slow tear coming down from the apex that I have
patched but it keeps on spreading.? I will continue to use this tent for shorter trips but due to concerns about wear and tear of the Duplex I ended up buying a Durston XMid Pro 2 (DCF tent with the sil floor option) for a JMT through hike that I just completed
with my wife.? Despite concerns about durability, I still like DCF due to the low weight.??
The Durston has some nice design features but be aware that it requires a big footprint due to the design of the vestibules.? The 2 person is bigger than the Duplex, which is not a small tent.? There were a couple tent sites I had to pass on because of the
Durston's size.?
I have used three different trekking pole tents on granite and have not had any problems, although I will admit I haven't had to set up in high wind situations.? I usually set a stake through the guy line and lay it down on the ground like a dead man, then
place large rocks on top of the stake.??
Greg
I just had the X-Mid Pro 1 out on the JMT. Had no trouble pitching it.? Leave initial slack at all four corners with the pegs at 45 degrees. Easy to adjust from there. Wasn't easy, but pitched it in high winds with little rock big rock in Dusy
Basin. Big rock needed to be very big/multiple rocks since tent was still dragging rocks on first corner secured before reinforcement added. Happy with tent overall. I had the footprint and wrapped it around the rest of the tent when rolling it up. Still fit
in bag.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2024, 8:16 AM Tom Kennefick via
<tomkennefick= [email protected]> wrote:
I make all my gear and have no opinion on makes or models, but I am very interested in outdoor fabrics.? DCF. is the gold standard for shelter material.? If you can afford it, buy it.? You won’t regret it. ? Silpoly does not absorb water and
stretch like silnylon and is more abrasion resistant than DCF.? I believe Dan Durston uses it as the floor material.? I have made a bivy with a silpoly floor and aside from being very slippery it is working out great. ?(Seam sealer fixed the slippery problem.)
Re: pack material.? In my opinion, abrasion resistance and waterproofing are most important.? Look for taped or sealed seams.? Packs take a lot of abuse and have a shorter life expectancy than shelters. ? I have no experience with Ultra fabrics, but they
are well reviewed.? My next pack will likely be made with Ultra.
?I find noise from my pack usually comes from something inside (e.g. my foam pad rubbing on something). ? If a pack is loaded and tight, I doubt the fabric will make much noise.
My 2p.
On Aug 27, 2024, at 7:27?AM, Ian Goldsmith <ian@...> wrote:
?DCF is very strong.? I have a ZPacks Duplex and it’s very hard wearing.? It is a bit plasticy and can be noisy in the wind.
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Ian Goldsmith - +1 310 612 5649
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It seems the zPacks Hexamid was also DCF??? I googled it and found an old review that mentioned "cuben fiber." ?According to google (again), cuben fiber is the same as DCF.? Since you had a DCF tent, did you find it super noisy or plastic-y?? When I read
Lange's and your descriptions, I imagine a fine, thin material that will need to be babied, but that will also shave off a good pound of weight compared to the non-DCF version. ?
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As an aside, when we first got our Copper Spur UL, we thought THAT was a light, thin-walled tent.? Now, that is too heavy!
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CJ
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Regarding durability of DCF tents vs Sil-nylon, look at the buyer's guide Tarptent's website () They estimate that DCF has 2/3 the life of Sil-nylon.??
My own experience with DCF has been with a Zpacks Duplex, which I started using in 2019 and currently has 60-80 nights of use. I have patched it numerous?times due to pinhole abrasions.? There has also been a slow tear coming down from the apex that I have
patched but it keeps on spreading.? I will continue to use this tent for shorter trips but due to concerns about wear and tear of the Duplex I ended up buying a Durston XMid Pro 2 (DCF tent with the sil floor option) for a JMT through hike that I just completed
with my wife.? Despite concerns about durability, I still like DCF due to the low weight.??
The Durston has some nice design features but be aware that it requires a big footprint due to the design of the vestibules.? The 2 person is bigger than the Duplex, which is not a small tent.? There were a couple tent sites I had to pass on because of the
Durston's size.?
I have used three different trekking pole tents on granite and have not had any problems, although I will admit I haven't had to set up in high wind situations.? I usually set a stake through the guy line and lay it down on the ground like a dead man, then
place large rocks on top of the stake.??
Greg
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I just had the X-Mid Pro 1 out on the JMT. Had no trouble pitching it.? Leave initial slack at all four corners with the pegs at 45 degrees. Easy to adjust from there. Wasn't easy, but pitched it in high winds with little rock big rock in Dusy
Basin. Big rock needed to be very big/multiple rocks since tent was still dragging rocks on first corner secured before reinforcement added. Happy with tent overall. I had the footprint and wrapped it around the rest of the tent when rolling it up. Still fit
in bag.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2024, 8:16 AM Tom Kennefick via
<tomkennefick= [email protected]> wrote:
I make all my gear and have no opinion on makes or models, but I am very interested in outdoor fabrics.? DCF. is the gold standard for shelter material.? If you can afford it, buy it.? You won’t regret it. ? Silpoly does not absorb water and
stretch like silnylon and is more abrasion resistant than DCF.? I believe Dan Durston uses it as the floor material.? I have made a bivy with a silpoly floor and aside from being very slippery it is working out great. ?(Seam sealer fixed the slippery problem.)
Re: pack material.? In my opinion, abrasion resistance and waterproofing are most important.? Look for taped or sealed seams.? Packs take a lot of abuse and have a shorter life expectancy than shelters. ? I have no experience with Ultra fabrics, but they
are well reviewed.? My next pack will likely be made with Ultra.
?I find noise from my pack usually comes from something inside (e.g. my foam pad rubbing on something). ? If a pack is loaded and tight, I doubt the fabric will make much noise.
My 2p.
On Aug 27, 2024, at 7:27?AM, Ian Goldsmith <ian@...> wrote:
?DCF is very strong.? I have a ZPacks Duplex and it’s very hard wearing.? It is a bit plasticy and can be noisy in the wind.
--
Ian Goldsmith - +1 310 612 5649
?
It seems the zPacks Hexamid was also DCF??? I googled it and found an old review that mentioned "cuben fiber." ?According to google (again), cuben fiber is the same as DCF.? Since you had a DCF tent, did you find it super noisy or plastic-y?? When I read
Lange's and your descriptions, I imagine a fine, thin material that will need to be babied, but that will also shave off a good pound of weight compared to the non-DCF version. ?
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As an aside, when we first got our Copper Spur UL, we thought THAT was a light, thin-walled tent.? Now, that is too heavy!
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CJ
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Carrying a bearikade on a small ZPacks pack
Question for the group:
I’ve been using an Arc Haul Zip 65L (or maybe 60( for the last few years and have kept my Bearikade Expedition inside the pack. I just bought an Arc Haul Ultra 40 and added the v straps for securing a bear can. Given the straight sides of the bearikade I’m wondering how well it will hold and if I need to put something with more friction (like some stick on Velcro pads on the outside of the can to hold the straps in place.
Any thoughts from anyone using a similar setup?
I could just continue to use my 65 and reserve the 40 for trips that don’t need the bear can, but I really like the compact setup.
Thanks,
Ian
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I just had the X-Mid Pro 1 out on the JMT. Had no trouble pitching it.? Leave initial slack at all four corners with the pegs at 45 degrees. Easy to adjust from there. Wasn't easy, but pitched it in high winds with little rock big rock in Dusy Basin. Big rock needed to be very big/multiple rocks since tent was still dragging rocks on first corner secured before reinforcement added. Happy with tent overall. I had the footprint and wrapped it around the rest of the tent when rolling it up. Still fit in bag.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2024, 8:16 AM Tom Kennefick via <tomkennefick= [email protected]> wrote: I make all my gear and have no opinion on makes or models, but I am very interested in outdoor fabrics.? DCF. is the gold standard for shelter material.? If you can afford it, buy it.? You won’t regret it. ? Silpoly does not absorb water and stretch like silnylon and is more abrasion resistant than DCF.? I believe Dan Durston uses it as the floor material.? I have made a bivy with a silpoly floor and aside from being very slippery it is working out great. ?(Seam sealer fixed the slippery problem.) Re: pack material.? In my opinion, abrasion resistance and waterproofing are most important.? Look for taped or sealed seams.? Packs take a lot of abuse and have a shorter life expectancy than shelters. ? I have no experience with Ultra fabrics, but they are well reviewed.? My next pack will likely be made with Ultra. ?I find noise from my pack usually comes from something inside (e.g. my foam pad rubbing on something). ? If a pack is loaded and tight, I doubt the fabric will make much noise. My 2p. On Aug 27, 2024, at 7:27?AM, Ian Goldsmith <ian@...> wrote:
?DCF is very strong.? I have a ZPacks Duplex and it’s very hard wearing.? It is a bit plasticy and can be noisy in the wind. -- Ian Goldsmith - +1 310 612 5649 ? It seems the zPacks Hexamid was also DCF??? I googled it and found an old review that mentioned "cuben fiber." ?According to google (again), cuben fiber is the same as DCF.? Since you had a DCF tent, did you find it super noisy or plastic-y?? When I read Lange's and your descriptions, I imagine a fine, thin material that will need to be babied, but that will also shave off a good pound of weight compared to the non-DCF version. ?
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As an aside, when we first got our Copper Spur UL, we thought THAT was a light, thin-walled tent.? Now, that is too heavy!
?
CJ
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I make all my gear and have no opinion on makes or models, but I am very interested in outdoor fabrics. ?DCF. is the gold standard for shelter material. ?If you can afford it, buy it. ?You won’t regret it. ? Silpoly does not absorb water and stretch like silnylon and is more abrasion resistant than DCF. ?I believe Dan Durston uses it as the floor material. ?I have made a bivy with a silpoly floor and aside from being very slippery it is working out great. ?(Seam sealer fixed the slippery problem.) Re: pack material. ?In my opinion, abrasion resistance and waterproofing are most important. ?Look for taped or sealed seams. ?Packs take a lot of abuse and have a shorter life expectancy than shelters. ? I have no experience with Ultra fabrics, but they are well reviewed. ?My next pack will likely be made with Ultra. ?I find noise from my pack usually comes from something inside (e.g. my foam pad rubbing on something). ? If a pack is loaded and tight, I doubt the fabric will make much noise. My 2p.
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On Aug 27, 2024, at 7:27?AM, Ian Goldsmith <ian@...> wrote:
? DCF is very strong. ?I have a ZPacks Duplex and it’s very hard wearing. ?It is a bit plasticy and can be noisy in the wind. -- Ian Goldsmith - +1 310 612 5649 On Aug 26, 2024, at 9:52?PM, chayaj via groups.io <chayaj@...> wrote:
? It seems the zPacks Hexamid was also DCF?? ?I googled it and found an old review that mentioned "cuben fiber." ?According to google (again), cuben fiber is the same as DCF. ?Since you had a DCF tent, did you find it super noisy or plastic-y? ?When I read Lange's and your descriptions, I imagine a fine, thin material that will need to be babied, but that will also shave off a good pound of weight compared to the non-DCF version. ?
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As an aside, when we first got our Copper Spur UL, we thought THAT was a light, thin-walled tent. ?Now, that is too heavy!
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CJ
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DCF is very strong. ?I have a ZPacks Duplex and it’s very hard wearing. ?It is a bit plasticy and can be noisy in the wind. -- Ian Goldsmith - +1 310 612 5649
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On Aug 26, 2024, at 9:52?PM, chayaj via groups.io <chayaj@...> wrote:
? It seems the zPacks Hexamid was also DCF?? ?I googled it and found an old review that mentioned "cuben fiber." ?According to google (again), cuben fiber is the same as DCF. ?Since you had a DCF tent, did you find it super noisy or plastic-y? ?When I read Lange's and your descriptions, I imagine a fine, thin material that will need to be babied, but that will also shave off a good pound of weight compared to the non-DCF version. ?
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As an aside, when we first got our Copper Spur UL, we thought THAT was a light, thin-walled tent. ?Now, that is too heavy!
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CJ
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Yes, Cuben Fiber was how the industry used to refer to the material. A few years ago, this changed to DCF. I’m not aware that the actual material changed. I did not find the tent particularly noisy when pitched tightly. Of course, rain and high winds inevitably creates noise on the canopy.
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When I did the JMT (2017 & 2021) I used the Z packs Sol Plex, made out of cuban?fiber / Dyneema. It shed rain, hail & snow well. It was easy to pitch - even on rocks (2 trekking poles, but rocks also worked). It weighs 16 oz. This fabric is pretty strong - not one hole (I used a Tyvek ground sheet sometimes) & not noisy - to me. One thing to note, Dyneema doesn't pack down small, compared to silnylon. I just rolled it up & stuffed it in my pack, covered with a trash bag. I highly recommend this tent. THey don't make this exact one anymore, but the Plex Solo is most like it & now it's lighter at 14 oz! Melinda
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It seems the zPacks Hexamid was also DCF??? I googled it and found an old review that mentioned "cuben fiber." ?According to google (again), cuben fiber is the same as DCF.? Since you had a DCF tent, did you find it super noisy or plastic-y?? When I read Lange's and your descriptions, I imagine a fine, thin material that will need to be babied, but that will also shave off a good pound of weight compared to the non-DCF version. ?
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As an aside, when we first got our Copper Spur UL, we thought THAT was a light, thin-walled tent.? Now, that is too heavy!
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CJ
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