The material doesn’t necessarily need to be babied, but it can appear thin when you first see it (although the one thing DCF is susceptible to is puncturing, so just clear the ground of pointy things when you pitch).
Typically a slightly heavier gauge DCF is used in the floor, and lighter for the rest of the tent. The tent DCF might be slightly thinner than the stuff sack you used as an example (I have a couple DCF stuff sacks that are more robust than my Xmid and Duplex tent materials).?
All that said, my Duplex is in great shape for a 7 year old tent. My Xmid had only been on a couple trips, but seems reasonably robust (for a 3-season UL tent).
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On 27 Aug 2024, at 2:52?PM, chayaj via groups.io <chayaj@...> wrote:
? It seems the zPacks Hexamid was also DCF?? ?I googled it and found an old review that mentioned "cuben fiber." ?According to google (again), cuben fiber is the same as DCF. ?Since you had a DCF tent, did you find it super noisy or plastic-y? ?When I read Lange's and your descriptions, I imagine a fine, thin material that will need to be babied, but that will also shave off a good pound of weight compared to the non-DCF version. ?
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As an aside, when we first got our Copper Spur UL, we thought THAT was a light, thin-walled tent. ?Now, that is too heavy!
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CJ
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I have a ZPacks Duplex older version tent.? My wife and I used it when we section hiked the Oregon PCT.? It is a strong tent and the material is fantastic.? We have other Silnylon tents that are OK, until it rains.? The fabric stretches and sags.? The ZPack
Duplex stays tight in the rain.? I will admit, the rain hitting the surface is like sitting inside a drum, but the fabric stays taught.? I never had a problem with holes.? I am sure that something sharp would poke a hole in it, but I was reasonably careful,
and it never happened.? I did use a tyevek ground sheet.? When I bought the tent it was only $500 and well worth the investment.??
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It seems the zPacks Hexamid was also DCF?? ?I googled it and found an old review that mentioned "cuben fiber." ?According to google (again), cuben fiber is the same as DCF. ?Since you had a DCF tent, did you find it super noisy or plastic-y? ?When I read
Lange's and your descriptions, I imagine a fine, thin material that will need to be babied, but that will also shave off a good pound of weight compared to the non-DCF version. ?
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As an aside, when we first got our Copper Spur UL, we thought THAT was a light, thin-walled tent. ?Now, that is too heavy!
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CJ
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It seems the zPacks Hexamid was also DCF?? ?I googled it and found an old review that mentioned "cuben fiber." ?According to google (again), cuben fiber is the same as DCF. ?Since you had a DCF tent, did you find it super noisy or plastic-y? ?When I read Lange's and your descriptions, I imagine a fine, thin material that will need to be babied, but that will also shave off a good pound of weight compared to the non-DCF version. ?
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As an aside, when we first got our Copper Spur UL, we thought THAT was a light, thin-walled tent. ?Now, that is too heavy!
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CJ
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I was taken aback when I purchased my zPacks Hexamid Twin (sadly no longer offered) in 2013 because the canopy material seemed so thin. But it lasted for a very long time, multiple thru hikes, through high winds, hail, and even under considerable snow load. Probably well over 200 nights, lost track. DCF is very strong, except it can puncture so you have to keep sharp edges of other gear away from it. I’ve been skeptical of DCF packs for this reason, plus I’m not sure I would trust the waterproof claims enough to not have a pack liner in addition anyway.
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My robic ULA packs have been great and it’s good to know that the Ultra version might have some drawbacks. The tent wore out with tiny pinholes and I retired it in 2019. Haven’t been able to do thru hiking since then and I haven’t found a new UL tent I like as much as the hexamid twin. I currently have a big Agnes copper spur ul1 but will need to get a DCF UL tent when I am again able to do multi week thru hikes.
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Interesting observation about the feel of the Ultra fabric - I’ve heard many good things about the fabric but have never experienced it firsthand. I’m glad you found a circuit in the usual robic fabric that you like - I love my ULA pack.
As for the tent, if nylon is your basis for comparison, DCF will probably feel… well… less substantial? It’s strong fabric but feels about as thick as onion skin, and is a bit translucent. In the stuff sack it’s so light it feels like it will float out of your hands - DCF trekking pole tents are very light - but the fabric feels very different from nylon. Feeling a DCF stuff sack will give you some idea.
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On 25 Aug 2024, at 12:32?PM, chayaj via groups.io <chayaj@...> wrote:
? Thanks to everybody for the super-useful input on packs. ?After reading reviews, hearing opinions of users, and watching youtube videos, I was on the way to ordering a ULA Circuit Ultra (new for 2024). ?Really glad I did not.
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There is a small store, Down Works, in Santa Cruz that carries ULA backpacks among other really neat camping/backpacking items, and everything down-related. ?I just went there today -- they had both the ULA Circuit and the ULA Circuit Ultra. ?I tried the Circuit in various torso and hip-belt combinations, found a great fit, and then checked out the Ultra. ?For me, the ULA Circuit Ultra did not cut it because it seemed to plastic-y and was very noisy. ?So, I am glad I did not order it. ?In fact, I walked out of the store with both a ULA Circuit, and a pair of boots that I had given up looking for. ?The store happened to keep the brand and type of boot that had served me so well for 30 years, until it completely gave up. ?
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Now, the only item left is the tent. ?I was strongly leaning towards the single-wall, Dyneema (DCF), ?Durston "Pro" tents. ?However, after seeing the plastic-y nature of the Circuit Ultra, I am wondering if I will like the Dyneema fabric of the tent. ?I do like the weight savings, though. ?I saw that one of the local REI stores carries a DCF Stuff Pack. ?I will go over to check it out to see if it is something I can live with. ?If anybody has suggestions on any non-cottage DCF tents that I could find at a store, please let me know, so I can check them out before splurging on the Durston Pro and having to return it.
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With a new pack and tent I will have shaved off 6-7 lbs of base weight. ?The Bearikade will knock off another 0.5 lbs. ?Ready for the next backpacking trip!
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CJ
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Thanks to everybody for the super-useful input on packs. ?After reading reviews, hearing opinions of users, and watching youtube videos, I was on the way to ordering a ULA Circuit Ultra (new for 2024). ?Really glad I did not.
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There is a small store, Down Works, in Santa Cruz that carries ULA backpacks among other really neat camping/backpacking items, and everything down-related. ?I just went there today -- they had both the ULA Circuit and the ULA Circuit Ultra. ?I tried the Circuit in various torso and hip-belt combinations, found a great fit, and then checked out the Ultra. ?For me, the ULA Circuit Ultra did not cut it because it seemed to plastic-y and was very noisy. ?So, I am glad I did not order it. ?In fact, I walked out of the store with both a ULA Circuit, and a pair of boots that I had given up looking for. ?The store happened to keep the brand and type of boot that had served me so well for 30 years, until it completely gave up. ?
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Now, the only item left is the tent. ?I was strongly leaning towards the single-wall, Dyneema (DCF), ?Durston "Pro" tents. ?However, after seeing the plastic-y nature of the Circuit Ultra, I am wondering if I will like the Dyneema fabric of the tent. ?I do like the weight savings, though. ?I saw that one of the local REI stores carries a DCF Stuff Pack. ?I will go over to check it out to see if it is something I can live with. ?If anybody has suggestions on any non-cottage DCF tents that I could find at a store, please let me know, so I can check them out before splurging on the Durston Pro and having to return it.
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With a new pack and tent I will have shaved off 6-7 lbs of base weight. ?The Bearikade will knock off another 0.5 lbs. ?Ready for the next backpacking trip!
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I'll second the comments on the ULA pack.? I have a Catalyst, but for most trips I've got the weight down enough so the Circuit would work as well and I could save another 1/2 pound.
For my last trip, 5 nights with a BV500, I was at 26 pounds including the pack without water.? I usually was carrying 1 to 2 quarts, so 30 pounds max.? If I were to do the JMT again, like I did the first time with only one resupply I would probably add another 3-5 pounds of food.
I find, even fully loaded the Catalyst to be pretty comfortable and it easily holds everything.? I find it best if I put my stove and cup inside my bear can otherwise they are a bit awkward to pack.? If the can is too full, I transfer some food out to the outside pocket for travel.? I load tent, then horizontal bear can, sleeping bag, and then 2 small stuff sacks(air mattress and clothing), plus my Chair Zero.? Miscellaneous items(first aid kit, maps, compass, pocket knife, toiletries, etc) go in zip lock bags in the outside pocket).
I've been very happy with my ULA packs. The Circuit for trips with a heavier load and definitely for trips requiring a bear canister and the CDT for shorter trips or "town to town" or "hut to hut" trips in Europe. My Circuit is now 11 years old with thousands of miles and is in great shape. But as others note, everyone is different when it comes to packs. ULA is under new ownership but the previous owner was very good about exchanges so long as a pack was not used. I also owned a ULA Catalyst briefly before the Circuit but since I used it I resold it for not much of a loss. The Circuit is comfortable under 30 pounds but can carry 35+ if needed, as I've done on the PCT with heavy water carries coinciding with a resupply. But most of the time, I have under 25 pounds in the Sierra Nevada after the first couple of days of food consumption and the Circuit is super comfortable under 25 pounds, for me.
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I don't think the ULA packs go on sale very often. I seem to recall a Black Friday deal a few years ago but I'm not sure.?
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I've been very happy with my ULA packs. The Circuit for trips with a heavier load and definitely for trips requiring a bear canister and the CDT for shorter trips or "town to town" or "hut to hut" trips in Europe. My Circuit is now 11 years old with thousands of miles and is in great shape. But as others note, everyone is different when it comes to packs. ULA is under new ownership but the previous owner was very good about exchanges so long as a pack was not used. I also owned a ULA Catalyst briefly before the Circuit but since I used it I resold it for not much of a loss. The Circuit is comfortable under 30 pounds but can carry 35+ if needed, as I've done on the PCT with heavy water carries coinciding with a resupply. But most of the time, I have under 25 pounds in the Sierra Nevada after the first couple of days of food consumption and the Circuit is super comfortable under 25 pounds, for me.
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I don't think the ULA packs go on sale very often. I seem to recall a Black Friday deal a few years ago but I'm not sure.?
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Re: GPS SOS routing and delay
Rescue can take even longer, sometimes days, depending on location and weather. So while Garmin and other sat devices are a boon, they are not a substitute for proper gear, self reliance, and survival equipment.? "When you see a new trail, or a footprint you do not know, follow it to the point of knowing."? - Uncheedah
On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 8:52?AM Peter Klein via <pklein95014= [email protected]> wrote: Henning:
I should have known that.? I used to rent a sat phone when going on solo trips to the hinterlands (before the days of GPS units).? It used IIRC the Globalstar sat network and connections were spotty at best.? I can't tell you how many times I was balanced on a tall boulder or tramping off? to a canyon rim to try to get a sat connection.? Globalstar was forever promising to launch new sats to improve performance.? Iridium was a definite improvement, and I assumed that the sat connection would be quick and reliable by now.? Thanks.
Pete
Hello Peter,
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GPS provides the information to determine your location; the satellite communication network is Iridium.
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The SOS message goes from your inReach to the next Iridium satellite; these are low earth orbit (LEO) ones so that the local constellation changes quickly, within minutes; do not assume it is just over your head, it can have a quite low elevation where there may be obstacles. From there either directly to a ground station or, if you are on a quite remote location like on the sea far away from land, via other Iridium satelltes to the ground station. - From there to the GEOS center, who inform then local authorities about the incident.
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The GEOS center may need some time to access the situation, by calling your emergency phone # to find out if you are really out somewhere and the SOS is legit and not a malfunction, and ask back via inReach to you for details of the emergency.
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Delay in the technical communication may happen if your location has a good part of the sky blocked. My experience stems from normal messaging, not SOS. My?mini 1 has a pretty bad GPS receiver so that it happens quite often that it cannot determine its?location, while my?phone can; the mini 2 is said to have much better GPS reception. No location information means?no SOS (other messages can be sent without location information if you choose). It may also happen that the path to the Iridium satellite is blocked; think about a deep valley, dense tree coverage, ... - on a typical hike in the Sierra sending tracking information every ten minutes it may typically happen more than once a day that a tracking point cannot be sent because of such reason.
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Under favourable conditions a message goes out within seconds; but it may also need an hour sometimes, in the evening in the tent between trees in a valley.
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Henning
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Gesendet:?Freitag, 23. August 2024 um 05:41 Uhr
Von:?"Peter Klein via " <pklein95014= [email protected]>
An:? [email protected]
Betreff:?[JMT-groups.io] GPS SOS routing and delay
This isn't strictly JMT-related, but hopefully acceptable anyway.
?
I was reading an article about a Death Valley employee who went for a hike,
had some route confusion, ran out of water and had to SOS on his Garmin.
Excerpt below.? My question is, what is the routing of an SOS to explain
why it was 1:40 between pushing the button and the cognizant NPS et al
receiving the message???
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I read another article about the hiking group that found the remains of
Julian Sands on Mt. Baldy.? They hit the SOS button and had a response?
in 8 mins. (which I thought was pretty amazing).
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The DV excerpt:
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"By 4:30 p.m., his water bottle was empty, and “heat and dehydration caught up with
him,” officials said in the news release. That’s when he fainted and fell.
“After an unknown period of time, he woke up bruised and realized it was time to
call for a rescue,” the news release read, noting he used the SOS function on his
Garmin tracking device at around 6 p.m. to get help.
NPS rangers and the Inyo County Sheriff’s Office received the call at 7:40 p.m."
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Henning:
I should have known that.? I used to rent a sat phone when going on solo trips to the hinterlands (before the days of GPS units).? It used IIRC the Globalstar sat network and connections were spotty at best.? I can't tell you how many times I was balanced on a tall boulder or tramping off? to a canyon rim to try to get a sat connection.? Globalstar was forever promising to launch new sats to improve performance.? Iridium was a definite improvement, and I assumed that the sat connection would be quick and reliable by now.? Thanks.
Pete
Hello Peter,
?
GPS provides the information to determine your location; the satellite communication network is Iridium.
?
The SOS message goes from your inReach to the next Iridium satellite; these are low earth orbit (LEO) ones so that the local constellation changes quickly, within minutes; do not assume it is just over your head, it can have a quite low elevation where there may be obstacles. From there either directly to a ground station or, if you are on a quite remote location like on the sea far away from land, via other Iridium satelltes to the ground station. - From there to the GEOS center, who inform then local authorities about the incident.
?
The GEOS center may need some time to access the situation, by calling your emergency phone # to find out if you are really out somewhere and the SOS is legit and not a malfunction, and ask back via inReach to you for details of the emergency.
?
Delay in the technical communication may happen if your location has a good part of the sky blocked. My experience stems from normal messaging, not SOS. My?mini 1 has a pretty bad GPS receiver so that it happens quite often that it cannot determine its?location, while my?phone can; the mini 2 is said to have much better GPS reception. No location information means?no SOS (other messages can be sent without location information if you choose). It may also happen that the path to the Iridium satellite is blocked; think about a deep valley, dense tree coverage, ... - on a typical hike in the Sierra sending tracking information every ten minutes it may typically happen more than once a day that a tracking point cannot be sent because of such reason.
?
Under favourable conditions a message goes out within seconds; but it may also need an hour sometimes, in the evening in the tent between trees in a valley.
?
Henning
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Gesendet:?Freitag, 23. August 2024 um 05:41 Uhr
Von:?"Peter Klein via " <pklein95014= [email protected]>
An:? [email protected]
Betreff:?[JMT-groups.io] GPS SOS routing and delay
This isn't strictly JMT-related, but hopefully acceptable anyway.
?
I was reading an article about a Death Valley employee who went for a hike,
had some route confusion, ran out of water and had to SOS on his Garmin.
Excerpt below.? My question is, what is the routing of an SOS to explain
why it was 1:40 between pushing the button and the cognizant NPS et al
receiving the message???
?
I read another article about the hiking group that found the remains of
Julian Sands on Mt. Baldy.? They hit the SOS button and had a response?
in 8 mins. (which I thought was pretty amazing).
?
The DV excerpt:
?
"By 4:30 p.m., his water bottle was empty, and “heat and dehydration caught up with
him,” officials said in the news release. That’s when he fainted and fell.
“After an unknown period of time, he woke up bruised and realized it was time to
call for a rescue,” the news release read, noting he used the SOS function on his
Garmin tracking device at around 6 p.m. to get help.
NPS rangers and the Inyo County Sheriff’s Office received the call at 7:40 p.m."
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Re: GPS SOS routing and delay
Hello Peter,
?
GPS provides the information to determine your location; the satellite communication network is Iridium.
?
The SOS message goes from your inReach to the next Iridium satellite; these are low earth orbit (LEO) ones so that the local constellation changes quickly, within minutes; do not assume it is just over your head, it can have a quite low elevation where there may be obstacles. From there either directly to a ground station or, if you are on a quite remote location like on the sea far away from land, via other Iridium satelltes to the ground station. - From there to the GEOS center, who inform then local authorities about the incident.
?
The GEOS center may need some time to access the situation, by calling your emergency phone # to find out if you are really out somewhere and the SOS is legit and not a malfunction, and ask back via inReach to you for details of the emergency.
?
Delay in the technical communication may happen if your location has a good part of the sky blocked. My experience stems from normal messaging, not SOS. My?mini 1 has a pretty bad GPS receiver so that it happens quite often that it cannot determine its?location, while my?phone can; the mini 2 is said to have much better GPS reception. No location information means?no SOS (other messages can be sent without location information if you choose). It may also happen that the path to the Iridium satellite is blocked; think about a deep valley, dense tree coverage, ... - on a typical hike in the Sierra sending tracking information every ten minutes it may typically happen more than once a day that a tracking point cannot be sent because of such reason.
?
Under favourable conditions a message goes out within seconds; but it may also need an hour sometimes, in the evening in the tent between trees in a valley.
?
Henning
?
Gesendet:?Freitag, 23. August 2024 um 05:41 Uhr
Von:?"Peter Klein via groups.io" <pklein95014@...>
An:[email protected]
Betreff:?[JMT-groups.io] GPS SOS routing and delay
This isn't strictly JMT-related, but hopefully acceptable anyway.
?
I was reading an article about a Death Valley employee who went for a hike,
had some route confusion, ran out of water and had to SOS on his Garmin.
Excerpt below.? My question is, what is the routing of an SOS to explain
why it was 1:40 between pushing the button and the cognizant NPS et al
receiving the message???
?
I read another article about the hiking group that found the remains of
Julian Sands on Mt. Baldy.? They hit the SOS button and had a response?
in 8 mins. (which I thought was pretty amazing).
?
The DV excerpt:
?
"By 4:30 p.m., his water bottle was empty, and “heat and dehydration caught up with
him,” officials said in the news release. That’s when he fainted and fell.
“After an unknown period of time, he woke up bruised and realized it was time to
call for a rescue,” the news release read, noting he used the SOS function on his
Garmin tracking device at around 6 p.m. to get help.
NPS rangers and the Inyo County Sheriff’s Office received the call at 7:40 p.m."
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GPS SOS routing and delay
This isn't strictly JMT-related, but hopefully acceptable anyway.
?
I was reading an article about a Death Valley employee who went for a hike,
had some route confusion, ran out of water and had to SOS on his Garmin.
Excerpt below.? My question is, what is the routing of an SOS to explain
why it was 1:40 between pushing the button and the cognizant NPS et al
receiving the message???
?
I read another article about the hiking group that found the remains of
Julian Sands on Mt. Baldy.? They hit the SOS button and had a response?
in 8 mins. (which I thought was pretty amazing).
?
The DV excerpt:
?
"By 4:30 p.m., his water bottle was empty, and “heat and dehydration caught up with
him,” officials said in the news release. That’s when he fainted and fell.
“After an unknown period of time, he woke up bruised and realized it was time to
call for a rescue,” the news release read, noting he used the SOS function on his
Garmin tracking device at around 6 p.m. to get help.
NPS rangers and the Inyo County Sheriff’s Office received the call at 7:40 p.m."
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In the Sierra, eg. on the JMT, where a bear can as advisable or required,
I have been very?happy?with the Nunatak Bears Ears, which is pretty unusual in that it's made to have a bear can attached outside and below the pack. I use Bearikades with it.
I got one of the original ones, and my only complaint was that when carrying a lot of weight (e.g. week of food) the fact that it was frameless was an issue.
...subsequently I now also have the "framed" version, which has load-lifters. It weighs more but definitely carries heavier loads (30 lbs+) better.
Big fan of these. I appreciate being able to get into the can, and pack/unpack the rest of my kit, without getting the can in/out of a pack. The way it straps in it's very easy to loosen a couple straps and pull the can free—I like to use the Bearikades?as as a table!
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I see they now come in more than black as well! And I think my only wish-list item was?integrated?belt pouches. But I added one myself to both packs, so all good... and I see that is now an option as well!
But it may take some time to get one and they're pretty spendy...
Aaron
On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 8:44?AM Tom Kennefick via <tomkennefick= [email protected]> wrote: That’s the trouble with packs.? You really never know how they feel until you use them on a multi day trip On Aug 22, 2024, at 8:23?AM, Ian Goldsmith <ian@...> wrote:
?Both of my daughters have the REI Flash packs and really like them.? They are tough and hold up well, have plenty of external capacity for organizing things, and have enough adjustment that they fit both of them with quite different physiques.
I use ZPacks, I have an ArcHaul 60 and an Arc Haul Ultra 40.? I can put my Bearikade Expedition inside the 60, and like the 40 because it can do double duty as a day pack, or can handle the bear can on the outside as an alternative to the 60.? The ZPacks packs fit me well, and I find them comfortable.? As Inga said, different packs fit different people.
Ian
I've used the REI Flash, ZPacks and GG Mariposa. The Mariposa is my favorite and carries loads really well, even when overloaded. It has more capacity than I need which is helpful when I was guiding groups. I sometimes had to take weight off an ill or injured hiker so my pack might have been 5-10 pounds heavier and never felt it. I could easily carry 35 lbs. The Flash was also comfortable. I never could get my ZPacks to be comfortable.? Our bodies are all different shapes and sizes so there's no one pack that is right for everyone.?
Inga
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On Aug 22, 2024, at 8:23?AM, Ian Goldsmith <ian@...> wrote:
? Both of my daughters have the REI Flash packs and really like them. ?They are tough and hold up well, have plenty of external capacity for organizing things, and have enough adjustment that they fit both of them with quite different physiques.
I use ZPacks, I have an ArcHaul 60 and an Arc Haul Ultra 40. ?I can put my Bearikade Expedition inside the 60, and like the 40 because it can do double duty as a day pack, or can handle the bear can on the outside as an alternative to the 60. ?The ZPacks packs fit me well, and I find them comfortable. ?As Inga said, different packs fit different people.
Ian On Aug 22, 2024, at 7:57?AM, Inga via groups.io <ingasadventures@...> wrote:
I've used the REI Flash, ZPacks and GG Mariposa. The Mariposa is my favorite and carries loads really well, even when overloaded. It has more capacity than I need which is helpful when I was guiding groups. I sometimes had to take weight off an ill or injured hiker so my pack might have been 5-10 pounds heavier and never felt it. I could easily carry 35 lbs. The Flash was also comfortable. I never could get my ZPacks to be comfortable.? Our bodies are all different shapes and sizes so there's no one pack that is right for everyone.?
Inga
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Both of my daughters have the REI Flash packs and really like them. ?They are tough and hold up well, have plenty of external capacity for organizing things, and have enough adjustment that they fit both of them with quite different physiques.
I use ZPacks, I have an ArcHaul 60 and an Arc Haul Ultra 40. ?I can put my Bearikade Expedition inside the 60, and like the 40 because it can do double duty as a day pack, or can handle the bear can on the outside as an alternative to the 60. ?The ZPacks packs fit me well, and I find them comfortable. ?As Inga said, different packs fit different people.
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On Aug 22, 2024, at 7:57?AM, Inga via groups.io <ingasadventures@...> wrote:
I've used the REI Flash, ZPacks and GG Mariposa. The Mariposa is my favorite and carries loads really well, even when overloaded. It has more capacity than I need which is helpful when I was guiding groups. I sometimes had to take weight off an ill or injured hiker so my pack might have been 5-10 pounds heavier and never felt it. I could easily carry 35 lbs. The Flash was also comfortable. I never could get my ZPacks to be comfortable.? Our bodies are all different shapes and sizes so there's no one pack that is right for everyone.?
Inga
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I've used the REI Flash, ZPacks and GG Mariposa. The Mariposa is my favorite and carries loads really well, even when overloaded. It has more capacity than I need which is helpful when I was guiding groups. I sometimes had to take weight off an ill or injured hiker so my pack might have been 5-10 pounds heavier and never felt it. I could easily carry 35 lbs. The Flash was also comfortable. I never could get my ZPacks to be comfortable.? Our bodies are all different shapes and sizes so there's no one pack that is right for everyone.?
Inga
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There is a Facebook group called "I Need an Xmid!" which, presumably, is a used Xmid marketplace. I haven't joined (as I HAVE an Xmid!) but worth a look.
I think I recall hearing about the PVT harness. If I understand correctly, the frame attachment to the belt is supposed to allow the pack to "pivot" a bit to better match a normal walking gait.
I heard a review of this frame system (which I think is new to GG, but has some older roots), can't recall by whom unfortunately, and I think the result was that it felt a little strange at first but was comfortable, but couldn't tell if it was really a big improvement on a standard frame. Anyway, I guess something to consider in terms of a 40% discount on the previous frame style.
On Thursday 22 August 2024 at 09:04:38 am AEST, chayaj via groups.io <chayaj@...> wrote:
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@Lange, I had seen the clearance Mariposas. ?The new Mariposa apparently has a new frame (PVT). ? I do not know too much about PVT, so if anybody does know what that does, I would love to know.
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Also, where do people advertise if they are selling Durston tents or Bearikades? ?Those do not seem to be craigslist type items.
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The REI Flash 55 at 30% off is very tempting; thanks for the heads-up. ?
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I *WISH* I could get down to 25 lbs, but that is unlikely, especially for a 7-8 day trip, which is what I am looking at, unless I want to resupply all the time. ?I was looking at the Mariposa over the ULA Circuit because the Mariposa is supposed to have better padding.
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Also - you can look on Facebook for the groups "Backpacking Gear?Flea Market", "USA - Backpacking Gear Flea Market for Women", and "I need an X-Mid" Have a great trip. Martha ? ???Martha Gilmore, PhD, CGP (She/Her) ? ? ?Licensed Psychologist PSY10451 ? ? ? ? ? ?Certified Group Psychotherapist? ?? ? ? ?American Group Psychotherapy Association - Life Fellow ? ? ? ? ? ?1621 Oak Ave, Ste. B ? ? ? Davis, CA 95616 ? ? ? 530-757-6861 ? ? ?? ?Learn more about AGPA at National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 988 Please consider the environment before printing this email. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail or any of its attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sending individual by e-mail and permanently delete the original e-mail and attachment(s) from your computer system. Thank you for your cooperation. Please note: I try to check my emails regularly; however, I may not be able to respond to your message immediately. If you have an emergency, please call or text the crisis hotline at 988.
On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 5:33?PM Quinton Shaw via <quintonlshaw= [email protected]> wrote: I've had success with the Mariposa at 36 pounds.? Half was water and food for 7 days.? The key is to put all the weight on the hip belt.? The top of the pack straps only touch the front of my shoulders. I've read great things about the Flash and my friend loves the ULA circuit.? It's a little heavier, but I agree with another emailer that a good suspension system can be worth a little heavier pack.??
Osprey packs and the Mariposa were the most prevalent packs I saw on the JMT last week.
One more thing about the Mariposa is the removable back panel.? It's an awesome feature with helpful uses.? I replaced mine with a full length foldable 1/8 pad they started selling last year.? I recommend it for laying around camp, putting it in your camp chair for warmth and under your sleeping pad for extra r-value and protection from things that can cut or puncture an inflatable pad.? ?I also add a small zpacks sitpad in the lower part of the back panel to move a significant portion of the pack off my back for airflow.
Lastly, you can rent a bearikade from the manufacturer of you don't want to buy one.
Have a blast!
Quinton I had a larger Flash (65 I think) which worked well for me but I wanted something lighter.? I tried the Mariposa and found when I loaded it with about 30 pounds it felt like I was carrying a toddler with his arms around my neck - as in I was quite uncomfortable and felt strangled.? I ended up with the Zpacks archaul which I love and I carry around 35 pounds and even up to 40 comfortably. Martha ? ???Martha Gilmore, PhD, CGP (She/Her) ? ? ?Licensed Psychologist PSY10451 ? ? ? ? ? ?Certified Group Psychotherapist? ?? ? ? ?American Group Psychotherapy Association - Life Fellow ? ? ? ? ? ?1621 Oak Ave, Ste. B ? ? ? Davis, CA 95616 ? ? ? 530-757-6861 ? ? ?? ?Learn more about AGPA at National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 988 Please consider the environment before printing this email. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail or any of its attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sending individual by e-mail and permanently delete the original e-mail and attachment(s) from your computer system. Thank you for your cooperation. Please note: I try to check my emails regularly; however, I may not be able to respond to your message immediately. If you have an emergency, please call or text the crisis hotline at 988.
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@Lange, I had seen the clearance Mariposas.? The new Mariposa apparently has a new frame (PVT). ? I do not know too much about PVT, so if anybody does know what that does, I would love to know.
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Also, where do people advertise if they are selling Durston tents or Bearikades?? Those do not seem to be craigslist type items.
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The REI Flash 55 at 30% off is very tempting; thanks for the heads-up. ?
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I *WISH* I could get down to 25 lbs, but that is unlikely, especially for a 7-8 day trip, which is what I am looking at, unless I want to resupply all the time.? I was looking at the Mariposa over the ULA Circuit because the Mariposa is supposed to have better padding.
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CJ
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More questions about Yosemite area
Thanks for all the info about mosquito and wasp activity.? Now I have two more questions. ?We’re going from Virginia Lakes south through Tuolumne to Happy Isles in early September and have two questions. 1.? Does anyone have information on the?current availability of water in?Cold?Canyon (north of Glen Aulin). 2.? Can anyone share information or routes going cross country from Lower to Upper McCabe Lakes?
Any other information is welcome and appreciated. Hope everyone is having great trips and is prepared for cooler weather.? We had 50 mph wind gusts up near Carson Pass last Saturday!
Thanks, Martha
? ???Martha Gilmore, PhD, CGP (She/Her) ? ? ?Licensed Psychologist PSY10451 ? ? ? ? ? ?Certified Group Psychotherapist? ?? ? ? ?American Group Psychotherapy Association - Life Fellow ? ? ? ? ? ?1621 Oak Ave, Ste. B ? ? ? Davis, CA 95616 ? ? ? 530-757-6861 ? ? ?? ?Learn more about AGPA at National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 988 Please consider the environment before printing this email. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail or any of its attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sending individual by e-mail and permanently delete the original e-mail and attachment(s) from your computer system. Thank you for your cooperation. Please note: I try to check my emails regularly; however, I may not be able to respond to your message immediately. If you have an emergency, please call or text the crisis hotline at 988.
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I've had success with the Mariposa at 36 pounds.? Half was water and food for 7 days.? The key is to put all the weight on the hip belt.? The top of the pack straps only touch the front of my shoulders. I've read great things about the Flash and my friend loves the ULA circuit.? It's a little heavier, but I agree with another emailer that a good suspension system can be worth a little heavier pack.??
Osprey packs and the Mariposa were the most prevalent packs I saw on the JMT last week.
One more thing about the Mariposa is the removable back panel.? It's an awesome feature with helpful uses.? I replaced mine with a full length foldable 1/8 pad they started selling last year.? I recommend it for laying around camp, putting it in your camp chair for warmth and under your sleeping pad for extra r-value and protection from things that can cut or puncture an inflatable pad.? ?I also add a small zpacks sitpad in the lower part of the back panel to move a significant portion of the pack off my back for airflow.
Lastly, you can rent a bearikade from the manufacturer of you don't want to buy one.
Have a blast!
Quinton
I had a larger Flash (65 I think) which worked well for me but I wanted something lighter.? I tried the Mariposa and found when I loaded it with about 30 pounds it felt like I was carrying a toddler with his arms around my neck - as in I was quite uncomfortable and felt strangled.? I ended up with the Zpacks archaul which I love and I carry around 35 pounds and even up to 40 comfortably. Martha ? ???Martha Gilmore, PhD, CGP (She/Her) ? ? ?Licensed Psychologist PSY10451 ? ? ? ? ? ?Certified Group Psychotherapist? ?? ? ? ?American Group Psychotherapy Association - Life Fellow ? ? ? ? ? ?1621 Oak Ave, Ste. B ? ? ? Davis, CA 95616 ? ? ? 530-757-6861 ? ? ?? ?Learn more about AGPA at National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 988 Please consider the environment before printing this email. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail or any of its attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sending individual by e-mail and permanently delete the original e-mail and attachment(s) from your computer system. Thank you for your cooperation. Please note: I try to check my emails regularly; however, I may not be able to respond to your message immediately. If you have an emergency, please call or text the crisis hotline at 988.
[Edited Message Follows]
@Lange, I had seen the clearance Mariposas.? The new Mariposa apparently has a new frame (PVT). ? I do not know too much about PVT, so if anybody does know what that does, I would love to know.
?
Also, where do people advertise if they are selling Durston tents or Bearikades?? Those do not seem to be craigslist type items.
?
The REI Flash 55 at 30% off is very tempting; thanks for the heads-up. ?
?
I *WISH* I could get down to 25 lbs, but that is unlikely, especially for a 7-8 day trip, which is what I am looking at, unless I want to resupply all the time.? I was looking at the Mariposa over the ULA Circuit because the Mariposa is supposed to have better padding.
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CJ
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