Re: A question about pass strategy for late season
I know it's a natural tendency and the guide books, noted destinations and established campsites heavily favor lakes, but consider going beyond the lakes to a higher location.?? When it's possible to find a campsite, ridges often are more comfortable than the lake basins.? Usually there are far fewer mosquitoes, it's warmer in the morning and less dewfall on your tent.
It may require taking on water prior to the camp, but often you can find a streamlet nearby.??
Clearly, you want to avoid exposed areas if the weather is threatening.? Also, if there are not established campsites, all usual LNT guidance can make it more of a challenge.
Yes, but sometimes I would like to camp in a lake area that may be more than half days away from the next pass. Let's see, I believe what really matters is the situation in the wilderness at the moment.
Thanks.
On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 7:05?AM Byron Nevins via <byron.nevins= [email protected]> wrote: I adore camping just below a pass.? Which usually is 10-11,000'.? It's so nice up there.??
But, mainly, hitting that pass first thing in the morning is almost effortless compared to tackling it at the end of the day.
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Re: A question about pass strategy for late season
Yes, but sometimes I would like to camp in a lake area that may be more than half days away from the next pass. Let's see, I believe what really matters is the situation in the wilderness at the moment.
Thanks.
On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 7:05?AM Byron Nevins via <byron.nevins= [email protected]> wrote: I adore camping just below a pass.? Which usually is 10-11,000'.? It's so nice up there.??
But, mainly, hitting that pass first thing in the morning is almost effortless compared to tackling it at the end of the day.
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Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at
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Re: A question about pass strategy for late season
I adore camping just below a pass.? Which usually is 10-11,000'.? It's so nice up there.??
But, mainly, hitting that pass first thing in the morning is almost effortless compared to tackling it at the end of the day.
-- Byron NevinsLead Moderator of JMT at groups.io
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Re: A question about pass strategy for late season
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On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 07:06 Tom Kennefick via <tomkennefick= [email protected]> wrote: No Problem. Crossing a pass ?alone late in the day is a cool experience.?
I¡¯m planning our SOBO trip from Aug 23-Sept 15. The wisdom says that one¡¯d better climb over passes in the morning. I understand that this strategy is for taking advantage of better snow conditions in the morning and avoiding afternoon storms. However this strategy also makes my daily itinerary planning less flexible, like always camping before a pass (at least for big ones).? Do you think in our hiking window of 8/23-9/15, afternoon storms still a concern (I know snow should be out of the equation by that time)?
I had experience of climbing over Forester in a late June day, but that was a dry year.
Thanks in advance for your input.
Happy trails!
Jingbo?
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Re: A question about pass strategy for late season
Yes, plan is made for break :-) Thanks!
I like to get the climb out of the way early.? That said plans are great but it all kinda goes out the window when you do the trip. ? the magic of it.? Enjoy !Sent from my iPad ?
I¡¯m planning our SOBO trip from Aug 23-Sept 15. The wisdom says that one¡¯d better climb over passes in the morning. I understand that this strategy is for taking advantage of better snow conditions in the morning and avoiding afternoon storms. However this strategy also makes my daily itinerary planning less flexible, like always camping before a pass (at least for big ones).? Do you think in our hiking window of 8/23-9/15, afternoon storms still a concern (I know snow should be out of the equation by that time)?
I had experience of climbing over Forester in a late June day, but that was a dry year.
Thanks in advance for your input.
Happy trails!
Jingbo?
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Re: A question about pass strategy for late season
Thank you, that makes great sense!
On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 00:13 Lange Jorstad via <langejorstad= [email protected]> wrote: Couldn¡¯t say storms are *not* a concern at that time of year, but neither does it storm every afternoon in the peak season. Plan your hike the way you want to plan it, and you can make a call on the day regarding afternoon weather for a pass crossing.? I¡¯m planning our SOBO trip from Aug 23-Sept 15. The wisdom says that one¡¯d better climb over passes in the morning. I understand that this strategy is for taking advantage of better snow conditions in the morning and avoiding afternoon storms. However this strategy also makes my daily itinerary planning less flexible, like always camping before a pass (at least for big ones).? Do you think in our hiking window of 8/23-9/15, afternoon storms still a concern (I know snow should be out of the equation by that time)?
I had experience of climbing over Forester in a late June day, but that was a dry year.
Thanks in advance for your input.
Happy trails!
Jingbo?
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Re: A question about pass strategy for late season
Couldn¡¯t say storms are *not* a concern at that time of year, but neither does it storm every afternoon in the peak season. Plan your hike the way you want to plan it, and you can make a call on the day regarding afternoon weather for a pass crossing.?
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On 9 Jun 2024, at 12:01?AM, Jingbo Ni <jnistargazer@...> wrote:
? I¡¯m planning our SOBO trip from Aug 23-Sept 15. The wisdom says that one¡¯d better climb over passes in the morning. I understand that this strategy is for taking advantage of better snow conditions in the morning and avoiding afternoon storms. However this strategy also makes my daily itinerary planning less flexible, like always camping before a pass (at least for big ones).? Do you think in our hiking window of 8/23-9/15, afternoon storms still a concern (I know snow should be out of the equation by that time)?
I had experience of climbing over Forester in a late June day, but that was a dry year.
Thanks in advance for your input.
Happy trails!
Jingbo?
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Friday or Sunday entry at Bishop Pass South Lake
I am planning a trip from Bishop Pass to Kearsarge Pass starting either Friday, September 6 or Sunday, September 8.? I'm thinking I would have better odds of getting a permit on the Sunday start date.? ?I'll be applying for the permit 2 weeks before.? Has anyone had experience getting permits for Bishop Pass???
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Re: A question about pass strategy for late season
I like to get the climb out of the way early. ?That said plans are great but it all kinda goes out the window when you do the trip. ? the magic of it.? Enjoy !Sent from my iPad
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On Jun 8, 2024, at 10:01?AM, Jingbo Ni <jnistargazer@...> wrote:
? I¡¯m planning our SOBO trip from Aug 23-Sept 15. The wisdom says that one¡¯d better climb over passes in the morning. I understand that this strategy is for taking advantage of better snow conditions in the morning and avoiding afternoon storms. However this strategy also makes my daily itinerary planning less flexible, like always camping before a pass (at least for big ones).? Do you think in our hiking window of 8/23-9/15, afternoon storms still a concern (I know snow should be out of the equation by that time)?
I had experience of climbing over Forester in a late June day, but that was a dry year.
Thanks in advance for your input.
Happy trails!
Jingbo?
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Re: A question about pass strategy for late season
No Problem. Crossing a pass ?alone late in the day is a cool experience.?
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On Jun 8, 2024, at 7:00 AM, Jingbo Ni <jnistargazer@...> wrote:
I¡¯m planning our SOBO trip from Aug 23-Sept 15. The wisdom says that one¡¯d better climb over passes in the morning. I understand that this strategy is for taking advantage of better snow conditions in the morning and avoiding afternoon storms. However this strategy also makes my daily itinerary planning less flexible, like always camping before a pass (at least for big ones).? Do you think in our hiking window of 8/23-9/15, afternoon storms still a concern (I know snow should be out of the equation by that time)?
I had experience of climbing over Forester in a late June day, but that was a dry year.
Thanks in advance for your input.
Happy trails!
Jingbo?
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A question about pass strategy for late season
I¡¯m planning our SOBO trip from Aug 23-Sept 15. The wisdom says that one¡¯d better climb over passes in the morning. I understand that this strategy is for taking advantage of better snow conditions in the morning and avoiding afternoon storms. However this strategy also makes my daily itinerary planning less flexible, like always camping before a pass (at least for big ones).? Do you think in our hiking window of 8/23-9/15, afternoon storms still a concern (I know snow should be out of the equation by that time)?
I had experience of climbing over Forester in a late June day, but that was a dry year.
Thanks in advance for your input.
Happy trails!
Jingbo?
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Re: Final word on winter snow?
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Re: Final word on winter snow?
It looks like the runoff is far ahead of average, especially in the South, where it is shown at early July level.? From this, might we expect that SOuth San Joaquin ford to be doable sooner than previously expected?
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Re: Final word on winter snow?
I¡¯ll try to attach some images of snowpack records I track along the JMT for the FB groups (the first ones are snowpack, the last three are river flow - locations shown on the first map):
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On 6 Jun 2024, at 3:33?PM, Curt Kinchen <ptcurt@...> wrote:
? Here are the latest plots.? It was essentially a normal year for snowpack, if there is such a thing in California.? Average is probably a more accurate term.? However, it appears the melt is ahead of average.
<17176503711807193068274149269279.png> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024, 5:25?PM judithsmcguire via <judithsmcguire= [email protected]> wrote: So was this a big snow winter, average, or low snow winter?? I know there are folks on this group who monitor snow levels.
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Judy McGuire
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Re: Final word on winter snow?
Here are the latest plots.? It was essentially a normal year for snowpack, if there is such a thing in California.? Average is probably a more accurate term.? However, it appears the melt is ahead of average.
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024, 5:25?PM judithsmcguire via <judithsmcguire= [email protected]> wrote: So was this a big snow winter, average, or low snow winter?? I know there are folks on this group who monitor snow levels.
Thanks
Judy McGuire
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Re: Final word on winter snow?
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 05:25 PM, judithsmcguire wrote:
So was this a big snow winter, average, or low snow winter??
Close to average on the yearly totals.? The spring melt-off has been faster than normal though.? For more detail, see . To interpret this, "North" means (roughly) everything north of Tahoe, including that part of the Sierra Nevada, the California Cascades (Lassen and Shasta), and the Klamath Range.? "Central" means Tahoe to Yosemite.? "South" means everything south of Yosemite.
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Final word on winter snow?
So was this a big snow winter, average, or low snow winter?? I know there are folks on this group who monitor snow levels.
Thanks
Judy McGuire
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Re: Mt Whitney west side switchbacks in mid-July this year and best guesses for JMT NOBO conditions in July-August.
PCTers are summitting Whitney already.? In a month you should be pretty safe.
I recently posted a video on the Facebook group about crossing the San Joaquin, supplied by some PCTers I met at VVR last week. They forded it already, although it was sketchy. Basically there is a large log that spans most of the river, but they had to wade into slow moving chest deep water to get to the log. The water moving under the log was very swift.? But in a month there should be slower water and other opportunities.? That was one group of hikers.? Other groups used the official detour and did the "up and over" route.
Rob
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Re: Mt Whitney west side switchbacks in mid-July this year and best guesses for JMT NOBO conditions in July-August.
I think it's very optimistic to think the river will be fordable in mid July. Late August or September maybe. Please be safe.? Inga
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Re: Mt Whitney west side switchbacks in mid-July this year and best guesses for JMT NOBO conditions in July-August.
On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 12:02 PM, Henning Rech wrote:
I am on the PCT this year, just now in Ridgecrest for a town day and will be back on trail at Walker Pass tomorrow. Whitney in 2nd week of June, can tell you more when I'll be in Bishop.
Thanks, any first hand info will be greatly appreciated. Good luck!
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