You aren’t allowed to camp at the trailhead. There is car camping at Saddlebag lake. That’s just a few miles down 120 toward Lee Vining. I think there are other sights along 120 as well.
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Hi,
After 2 years of trip cancellations due to COVID, I am very grateful to have a permit leaving from Tuolumne Meadows in late June this year. The Tuolumne Meadows campsite is closed for renovation this year. Is it allowed to camp at the trail head the night before a backpack trip, and if not appreciate any recommendations on where to camp/stay for someone without a car and wanting to get a reasonably early start.
Geraldine.
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Re: New Yosemite walk-up permit procedure
It was a long time ago, but in August 2013, there were a lot of unclaimed HI permits when I showed up to pick up my GP permit around 2 pm on a weekday afternoon. I was amazed that I could switch to the “golden ticket” of Happy Isles to Whitney Portal.?
Due to the economics of permits being low cost (something I support), the unfortunate side effect is that I’m sure many go unclaimed.?
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Re: New Yosemite walk-up permit procedure
Overlapping permits were possible when I reserved on February 18. I reserved a permit but then saw a better one which I jumped on and reserved. The system allowed both. Of course, I promptly cancelled the one I wasn’t going to use.
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Re: New Yosemite walk-up permit procedure
I made the same statement recently about no overlaps, and I was told by several posters that that is no longer the case.??
On Feb 25, 2022 6:41 PM, Carol B <caroleb2@...> wrote: one of the features of Rec.gov is that it doesn’t let you hold 2 permits with overlapping dates so hopefully they’ll make people update/report but maybe they’ll just go old style on the walkups and miss that feature
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Re: New Yosemite walk-up permit procedure
one of the features of Rec.gov is that it doesn’t let you hold 2 permits with overlapping dates so hopefully they’ll make people update/report but maybe they’ll just go old style on the walkups and miss that feature
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Re: New Yosemite walk-up permit procedure
I have to imagine that in addition to on-the-day walk ups for any *unreserved* permits, they would also release any reserved but *unclaimed* permits? I.e. reserved permits that are not picked up by 10am on the start date? Not sure how many reservations go unclaimed, but that’s how I got my 2017 permit out of HI. Seems like that would be the fate of permits where someone gets a better date and never bothers to release the first one.
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On 26 Feb 2022, at 8:35 am, Frank <frankdpct@...> wrote:
?Yosemite has changed the walk-up permit procedure for 2022. They will be available on-line 7 to 3 days before start. Remaining permits will be available only on the start date, NOT the day before. You will new to have a park reservation or arrive before 6 AM to enter the park.
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New Yosemite walk-up permit procedure
Yosemite has changed the walk-up permit procedure for 2022. They will be available on-line 7 to 3 days before start. Remaining permits will be available only on the start date, NOT the day before. You will new to have a park reservation or arrive before 6 AM to enter the park.
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Re: Organized multi-group files with a Calories per ounce teaser
#food
Oops, right your are : I meant BV 500.? have edited. Thanks for the catch.
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Re: Organized multi-group files with a Calories per ounce teaser
#food
Hi Peter,
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12 days of food in a BV450 (440 cuin.): this sounds very challenging to me. OK, filled with olive oil, one reaches more than 55.000 kcal (>4500/day). - Which kind of real food did you use, and do you have an idea, how many calories?
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Very good point and often overlooked.? There are a couple techniques that address this topic of bulk density.
Reduce packaging:? at last possible stage before going in the bearbox, transfer foods to the lightest, lowest bulk package that will stand up to the rest of the journey:? commercial packaging to freezer bags to storage ziplocks to sandwich bags.? There are also pint ziplocs available that fit? the typical single dehy meal a lot better than the more common quarts.?
Put the big rocks in first:? Understand particle buyancy.? In any mix, such as rice/meat/veggies/sauce/sugar/powder, a homgeneous mix will take up the least volume, but if it is? allowed to shake, the different particle sizes will tend to separate, with the largest chunks floating to the top.? You can demonstrate this principle, called particle buoyancy or the Brazil nut effect, with a bag of trail mix or granola.? Fill a bag half full, and holding just by the top, shake or agitate it gently.? In very short order, you will see the various ingredients separate by particle size.? This separation increases volume significantly.? Re-homogenizes such mixes just before cramming them into the bear container.? Note: you can alsu use particle bouyancy ro rehydrate by cold soaking the tough stuff longer. ? Meat in particualr generall is tougher to rehydrate than say rice, or veggies.? If you make the meat in say a chicken curry the largst chunks, before cold soaking, separate the layers in the mix by agitating the bad for a minute or two, then transfer the top layer to the cold soak container.? Do the rest of it later, or not at all, to save the amount of water you have to carry while cold soaking.
If all this sounds like a lot of time and effort, dont worry: it isn't, it takes a lot longer to explain that to actually do, once you have experimented with it a bit.? Using these techinques, I have ha 12 days food in a BV 450, and 16 in a Bearikade. On both of those trips, I had feed laft over to give a way, with a dyas' worth left in the container at the end of the stretch.?
Lat in first out:? a sorollary of big rocks first, tray to pack as much as possible in reverse order of expected use: the less the load is disturbed - especially for the first few days of the trip - the more you can get in the box
Pack the cylinder like a cheap cigarette.? Once the final load is almost complete, close the canister and pack it by thming it repeadedly on its ottom, essetially dropping it repeatedly on a hard flat, slightly padded suface, say a solid but carpeted floor, or a doormat on a patio.? Like packing cigarettes () only healthier.? I get at least an extra day this way
High fat diet:? not only are fats more calorie dense, they are denser by bulk than most dried food, which tends to be highly porous.? I pack a lot of dishes that call for certain fats, mainly butter or olive oil. I always carry these in bulk, now using breast milk or flask bags, and add them separately when prepping a meal,preferably after cold soaking.? THis also saves fuel, btw, as fat tends to inhibit rehydrating, so if it added after soaking, it will take less heat in the water to prepare whatever mix it is going into.? Even sugars can be carried to better advantage as syrups than as granulated.? Dry granulated sugar has a lot of air between granules, which can be eliminated by just a little bit of water, which collapses the individual granules in forming syrup (or honey).? Heavy syrups like honey, have surprisingly little water content, so a very little sacrifice in weight efficiency can produce improved use of space.?
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Re: Organized multi-group files with a Calories per ounce teaser
#food
This is a bear can master class! ?Well done! ??
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On Feb 24, 2022, at 1:46 PM, Peter Hirst <peter.p.hirst@...> wrote:
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Very good point and often overlooked.? There are a couple techniques that address this topic of bulk density.
Reduce packaging:? at last possible stage before going in the bearbox, transfer foods to the lightest, lowest bulk package that will stand up to the rest of the journey:? commercial packaging to freezer bags to storage ziplocks to sandwich bags.? There are also pint ziplocs available that fit? the typical single dehy meal a lot better than the more common quarts.?
Put the big rocks in first:? Understand particle buyancy.? In any mix, such as rice/meat/veggies/sauce/sugar/powder, a homgeneous mix will take up the least volume, but if it is? allowed to shake, the different particle sizes will tend to separate, with the largest chunks floating to the top.? You can demonstrate this principle, called particle buoyancy or the Brazil nut effect, with a bag of trail mix or granola.? Fill a bag half full, and holding just by the top, shake or agitate it gently.? In very short order, you will see the various ingredients separate by particle size.? This separation increases volume significantly.? Re-homogenizes such mixes just before cramming them into the bear container.? Note: you can alsu use particle bouyancy ro rehydrate by cold soaking the tough stuff longer. ? Meat in particualr generall is tougher to rehydrate than say rice, or veggies.? If you make the meat in say a chicken curry the largst chunks, before cold soaking, separate the layers in the mix by agitating the bad for a minute or two, then transfer the top layer to the cold soak container.? Do the rest of it later, or not at all, to save the amount of water you have to carry while cold soaking.
If all this sounds like a lot of time and effort, dont worry: it isn't, it takes a lot longer to explain that to actually do, once you have experimented with it a bit.? Using these techinques, I have ha 12 days food in a BV 450, and 16 in a Bearikade. On both of those trips, I had feed laft over to give a way, with a dyas' worth left in the container at the end of the stretch.?
Last in / first out:? a corollary of big rocks first:? tray to pack as much as possible in reverse order of expected use: the less the load is disturbed - especially for the first few days of the trip - the more you can get in the box in reverse order, the less you will agitate the rest of it and invoke a wicked corollary to Murphy's Law: The volume of any fixed load increases with each repacking.
Pack the cylinder like a cheap cigarette.? Once the final load is almost complete, close the canister and pack it by thumping it repeatedly on its bottom, essentially dropping it repeatedly on a hard, flat, slightly padded suface, say a solid but carpeted floor, or a doormat on a patio.? Like packing cigarettes () only healthier.? I get at least an extra day this way.
High fat diet:? not only are fats more calorie dense, they are denser by bulk than most dried food, which tends to be highly porous.? I pack a lot of dishes that call for certain fats, mainly butter or olive oil. I always carry these in bulk, now using breast milk or flask bags, and add them separately when prepping a meal,preferably after cold soaking.? THis also saves fuel, btw, as fat tends to inhibit rehydrating, so if it added after soaking, it will take less heat in the water to prepare whatever mix it is going into.? Even sugars can be carried to better advantage as syrups than as granulated.? Dry granulated sugar has a lot of air between granules, which can be eliminated by just a little bit of water, which collapses the individual granules in forming syrup (or honey).? Heavy syrups like honey, have surprisingly little water content, so a very little sacrifice in weight efficiency can produce improved use of space.?
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Mule resupplies at Charlotte Lake, Bubbs Creek or Vidette Meadow
#Resupply
Important links for those of you considering an on-trail resupply via mules at places like Charlotte Lake, Bubbs Creek and Vidette Meadow all roughly halfway between Muir trail Ranch and the typical southern trailheads.
Inga just posted information on a Facebook Group about the Bubbs and Vidette resupplies which I added to this cross-Group Drive folder:
For a Spreadsheet to find others to share cost of a mule, see links included in this document about resource sharing
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415-648-9279
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Re: Organized multi-group files with a Calories per ounce teaser
#food
I might suggest .? She has high calorie low volume meals that I have used and are really tasty. I have no connection to her other than being a satisfied customer. It does cost a small amount to get access to her recipes but the recipes all have calorie and nutrition counts and shopping lists built in. FWIW.?
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 3:39 PM steve herr via <groundhogsteve= [email protected]> wrote: While I certainly appreciate the effort put into the calories per ounce, south of MTR what we need is calories per cu. in. in order to pick foods that will provide the calories needed and fit in the bear canister without having to resupply before WP.
Steve
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Re: Organized multi-group files with a Calories per ounce teaser
#food
Very good point and often overlooked.? There are a couple techniques that address this topic of bulk density.
Reduce packaging:? at last possible stage before going in the bearbox, transfer foods to the lightest, lowest bulk package that will stand up to the rest of the journey:? commercial packaging to freezer bags to storage ziplocks to sandwich bags.? There are also pint ziplocs available that fit? the typical single dehy meal a lot better than the more common quarts.?
Put the big rocks in first:? Understand particle buyancy.? In any mix, such as rice/meat/veggies/sauce/sugar/powder, a homgeneous mix will take up the least volume, but if it is? allowed to shake, the different particle sizes will tend to separate, with the largest chunks floating to the top.? You can demonstrate this principle, called particle buoyancy or the Brazil nut effect, with a bag of trail mix or granola.? Fill a bag half full, and holding just by the top, shake or agitate it gently.? In very short order, you will see the various ingredients separate by particle size.? This separation increases volume significantly.? Re-homogenizes such mixes just before cramming them into the bear container.? Note: you can alsu use particle bouyancy ro rehydrate by cold soaking the tough stuff longer. ? Meat in particualr generall is tougher to rehydrate than say rice, or veggies.? If you make the meat in say a chicken curry the largst chunks, before cold soaking, separate the layers in the mix by agitating the bad for a minute or two, then transfer the top layer to the cold soak container.? Do the rest of it later, or not at all, to save the amount of water you have to carry while cold soaking.
If all this sounds like a lot of time and effort, dont worry: it isn't, it takes a lot longer to explain that to actually do, once you have experimented with it a bit.? Using these techinques, I have ha 12 days food in a BV 500, and 16 in a Bearikade. On both of those trips, I had feed laft over to give a way, with a dyas' worth left in the container at the end of the stretch.?
Last in / first out:? a corollary of big rocks first:? tray to pack as much as possible in reverse order of expected use: the less the load is disturbed - especially for the first few days of the trip - the more you can get in the box in reverse order, the less you will agitate the rest of it and invoke a wicked corollary to Murphy's Law: The volume of any fixed load increases with each repacking.
Pack the cylinder like a cheap cigarette.? Once the final load is almost complete, close the canister and pack it by thumping it repeatedly on its bottom, essentially dropping it repeatedly on a hard, flat, slightly padded suface, say a solid but carpeted floor, or a doormat on a patio.? Like packing cigarettes () only healthier.? I get at least an extra day this way.
High fat diet:? not only are fats more calorie dense, they are denser by bulk than most dried food, which tends to be highly porous.? I pack a lot of dishes that call for certain fats, mainly butter or olive oil. I always carry these in bulk, now using breast milk or flask bags, and add them separately when prepping a meal,preferably after cold soaking.? THis also saves fuel, btw, as fat tends to inhibit rehydrating, so if it added after soaking, it will take less heat in the water to prepare whatever mix it is going into.? Even sugars can be carried to better advantage as syrups than as granulated.? Dry granulated sugar has a lot of air between granules, which can be eliminated by just a little bit of water, which collapses the individual granules in forming syrup (or honey).? Heavy syrups like honey, have surprisingly little water content, so a very little sacrifice in weight efficiency can produce improved use of space.?
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Re: Organized multi-group files with a Calories per ounce teaser
#food
While I certainly appreciate the effort put into the calories per ounce, south of MTR what we need is calories per cu. in. in order to pick foods that will provide the calories needed and fit in the bear canister without having to resupply before WP.
Steve
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Re: Organized multi-group files with a Calories per ounce teaser
#food
Thanks, I will look.
I have no clue why people use YouTube to lead into written resources. Sorry for my "grumpy old man" outburst but I couldn't help myself.
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On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 04:14 PM, Gene wrote:
John, if you haven't seen the work done by "GearSkeptic", he has put together some very comprehensive food nutrition tables for backpackers.
Links are below his YouTube video here: ?
Hiker Food Chart 2.0 (Updated and Upgraded)?
? -- John Curran Ladd1616 Castro StreetSan Francisco, CA? 94114-3707415-648-9279
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Re: The Elizabeth Wenk Shred resources collection - Access problem finally solved
Welcome. Also was happy to learn that there is someone older than me who is still putting on a pack and doing miles. ?Take care.
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On Feb 24, 2022, at 11:23 AM, John Ladd <johnladd@...> wrote:
?Thank you, Sam
Encouragement helps. A Windows Drive security update is making me spend days doing very boring work updating links. I'd rather get back to the pooled data analysis from the 2016-21 surveys, so it is frustrating to run into a problem that requires immediate
attention.
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 08:11 AM, Sam Molinari wrote:
John:? Thank you very much for putting that spread sheet together.? I know how much of your time its preparation must involve and I know everyone greatly appreciates your efforts this year and in years past. I really enjoyed reading everyone’s plans
and wish everyone good weather and great hiking. We are starting an AT thru hike on 3/10 so we won’t be in the Sierra until September and only have one trip planned this year-either a North Lake-South Lake Loop or Mono Pass/Parker Pass to ?Rush Creek via Thousand
Island? Lake.? Thanks again for your efforts.
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415-648-9279
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Thank you, Sam
Encouragement helps. A Windows Drive security update is making me spend days doing very boring work updating links. I'd rather get back to the pooled data analysis from the 2016-21 surveys, so it is frustrating to run into a problem that requires immediate attention.
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On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 08:11 AM, Sam Molinari wrote:
John:? Thank you very much for putting that spread sheet together.? I know how much of your time its preparation must involve and I know everyone greatly appreciates your efforts this year and in years past. I really enjoyed reading everyone’s plans and wish everyone good weather and great hiking. We are starting an AT thru hike on 3/10 so we won’t be in the Sierra until September and only have one trip planned this year-either a North Lake-South Lake Loop or Mono Pass/Parker Pass to ?Rush Creek via Thousand Island? Lake.? Thanks again for your efforts.
? -- John Curran Ladd1616 Castro StreetSan Francisco, CA? 94114-3707415-648-9279
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John:? Thank you very much for putting that spread sheet together.? I know how much of your time its preparation must involve and I know everyone greatly appreciates your efforts this year and in years past. I really enjoyed reading everyone’s
plans and wish everyone good weather and great hiking. We are starting an AT thru hike on 3/10 so we won’t be in the Sierra until September and only have one trip planned this year-either a North Lake-South Lake Loop or Mono Pass/Parker Pass to ?Rush Creek
via Thousand Island? Lake.? Thanks again for your efforts.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 8:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [JMT-groups.io] The Elizabeth Wenk Shred resources collection - Access problem finally solved
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I've finally fixed that need to ask for access problem -- annoying to our members and taking too much of my time.
Go to
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415-648-9279
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Re: Organized multi-group files with a Calories per ounce teaser
#food
John, if you haven't seen the work done by "GearSkeptic", he has put together some very comprehensive food nutrition tables for backpackers.
Links are below his YouTube video here: ?
Hiker Food Chart 2.0 (Updated and Upgraded)?
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