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Re: Alternatives to the Standard Entries

 

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Mono Pass in Yosemite. The over Parker and Koip Peak Pass to Alger Lakes?


On Mar 7, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Marion Davison <mardav@...> wrote:

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There is a Mono pass in Yosemite as well.

On Mar 7, 2022 6:10 PM, Peter Hirst <peter.p.hirst@...> wrote:
You mean Parker?? Or Mono (South) on the Inyo?


Re: Alternatives to the Standard Entries

 

There is a Mono pass in Yosemite as well.

On Mar 7, 2022 6:10 PM, Peter Hirst <peter.p.hirst@...> wrote:
You mean Parker?? Or Mono (South) on the Inyo?


Re: Alternatives to the Standard Entries

 

You mean Parker?? Or Mono (South) on the Inyo?


Re: Alternatives to the Standard Entries

 

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Same situation for me. ?Going over Mono Pass. ?Pretty excited about it. ?


On Mar 7, 2022, at 5:58 PM, Curt Kinchen <ptcurt@...> wrote:

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That was my plan A when I did the JMT.? I ended up with a walk up Donahue, but it was really nice having a solid plan months in advance.? My big concern was, as it was 2017, what the snow situation was, but I was able to get a first hand report from a ranger in advance.? The other concern is since you go over the pass the first day and it is high is how acclimated you are.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022, 5:52 PM Byron Nevins <byron.nevins@...> wrote:
I did the lottery with first choice Donahue Pass.? Of course I didn't get that.? But I DID get my second choice (first try) -- Mono/Parker Pass.? This is a pretty good alternative.? It parallels the JMT and then you can join it at Thousand Island Lake.? Worth trying...

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Re: Alternatives to the Standard Entries

 

That was my plan A when I did the JMT.? I ended up with a walk up Donahue, but it was really nice having a solid plan months in advance.? My big concern was, as it was 2017, what the snow situation was, but I was able to get a first hand report from a ranger in advance.? The other concern is since you go over the pass the first day and it is high is how acclimated you are.


On Mon, Mar 7, 2022, 5:52 PM Byron Nevins <byron.nevins@...> wrote:
I did the lottery with first choice Donahue Pass.? Of course I didn't get that.? But I DID get my second choice (first try) -- Mono/Parker Pass.? This is a pretty good alternative.? It parallels the JMT and then you can join it at Thousand Island Lake.? Worth trying...

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Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at


Re: Mt Williamson Motel in Independence CA

 

I second this. Same experience, just showing up at their door when I had to leave the trail after equipment failure.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 3:40 PM Byron Nevins <byron.nevins@...> wrote:
I can't recommend the Mt Williamson Motel enough.? I've already changed plans 3 times -- different dates, changed King to 2 queens, I want resupply, I don't want resupply, wait -- I DO want resupply.? And they handled every change cheerfully.? Highly recommended!??

This is the motel that will pick you up in Onion Valley, put you in a room, wash your clothes, feed you breakfast? and drop you back off at the trailhead.??

They even supply you with loaner clothes while yours are getting washed!

No - I'm not getting any perks for saying this.? I like Independence so much I got married there in 2020 at the courthouse (also recommended!)

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Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at


Re: Mt Williamson Motel in Independence CA

 

Pretty dramatic backdrop of the Eastern Sierra for a wedding in Independence!

I also had a nice stay when Strider was running the hotel, and would definitely return, very accommodating for hikers.?

I even crossed paths with Roleigh there on his way to one of his long walks.

Regards,
Lange


On Tuesday, 8 March 2022, 10:40:30 am AEDT, Byron Nevins <byron.nevins@...> wrote:


I can't recommend the Mt Williamson Motel enough.? I've already changed plans 3 times -- different dates, changed King to 2 queens, I want resupply, I don't want resupply, wait -- I DO want resupply.? And they handled every change cheerfully.? Highly recommended!??

This is the motel that will pick you up in Onion Valley, put you in a room, wash your clothes, feed you breakfast? and drop you back off at the trailhead.??

They even supply you with loaner clothes while yours are getting washed!

No - I'm not getting any perks for saying this.? I like Independence so much I got married there in 2020 at the courthouse (also recommended!)

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Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at groups.io


Re: Mt Williamson Motel in Independence CA

 

I had a wonderful stay at Mt. Williamson in Aug, 2021. Everyone was helpful and kind and yes, the breakfast was delicious.?
Melinda

Melinda Mingus, MD
Integrative Pain Medicine
Board Certified Anesthesiology and Pain Medicine
Diplomate in Mountain Medicine DiMM
NSP Eastern Division Safety Team Supervisor
NSP CT Region Medical Advisor
646-522-1451




On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 6:40 PM Byron Nevins <byron.nevins@...> wrote:
I can't recommend the Mt Williamson Motel enough.? I've already changed plans 3 times -- different dates, changed King to 2 queens, I want resupply, I don't want resupply, wait -- I DO want resupply.? And they handled every change cheerfully.? Highly recommended!??

This is the motel that will pick you up in Onion Valley, put you in a room, wash your clothes, feed you breakfast? and drop you back off at the trailhead.??

They even supply you with loaner clothes while yours are getting washed!

No - I'm not getting any perks for saying this.? I like Independence so much I got married there in 2020 at the courthouse (also recommended!)

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Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at


Alternatives to the Standard Entries

 

I did the lottery with first choice Donahue Pass.? Of course I didn't get that.? But I DID get my second choice (first try) -- Mono/Parker Pass.? This is a pretty good alternative.? It parallels the JMT and then you can join it at Thousand Island Lake.? Worth trying...

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Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at groups.io


Re: Mt Williamson Motel in Independence CA

 

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Thank you for that good word Byron. Also an amazing free famous breakfast is included before we take you back up on the trail????Lauralyn
Owner, Mt. Williamson Motel and Basecamp.


On Mar 7, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Danakir2002 via groups.io <Danakir2002@...> wrote:

?The best experience !!?

Sent from DKL


On Mar 7, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Byron Nevins <byron.nevins@...> wrote:

?I can't recommend the Mt Williamson Motel enough.? I've already changed plans 3 times -- different dates, changed King to 2 queens, I want resupply, I don't want resupply, wait -- I DO want resupply.? And they handled every change cheerfully.? Highly recommended!??

This is the motel that will pick you up in Onion Valley, put you in a room, wash your clothes, feed you breakfast? and drop you back off at the trailhead.??

They even supply you with loaner clothes while yours are getting washed!

No - I'm not getting any perks for saying this.? I like Independence so much I got married there in 2020 at the courthouse (also recommended!)

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Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at groups.io


Re: Mt Williamson Motel in Independence CA

 

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The best experience !!?

Sent from DKL


On Mar 7, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Byron Nevins <byron.nevins@...> wrote:

?I can't recommend the Mt Williamson Motel enough.? I've already changed plans 3 times -- different dates, changed King to 2 queens, I want resupply, I don't want resupply, wait -- I DO want resupply.? And they handled every change cheerfully.? Highly recommended!??

This is the motel that will pick you up in Onion Valley, put you in a room, wash your clothes, feed you breakfast? and drop you back off at the trailhead.??

They even supply you with loaner clothes while yours are getting washed!

No - I'm not getting any perks for saying this.? I like Independence so much I got married there in 2020 at the courthouse (also recommended!)

--
Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at groups.io


Mt Williamson Motel in Independence CA

 

I can't recommend the Mt Williamson Motel enough.? I've already changed plans 3 times -- different dates, changed King to 2 queens, I want resupply, I don't want resupply, wait -- I DO want resupply.? And they handled every change cheerfully.? Highly recommended!??

This is the motel that will pick you up in Onion Valley, put you in a room, wash your clothes, feed you breakfast? and drop you back off at the trailhead.??

They even supply you with loaner clothes while yours are getting washed!

No - I'm not getting any perks for saying this.? I like Independence so much I got married there in 2020 at the courthouse (also recommended!)

--
Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at groups.io


#JMTsurvey - year-to-year problem variability #JMTsurvey

 

Year-to-year problem variability graphics:


See the Google Drive Folder?

Future related graphics will go there as well

These bar graphs display the year-to-year variability in the percentage of respondents who considered a problem as at least significant (rated 3-5 on a 5-point scale). They focus on issues where problem severity is sufficiently variable year-to-year to make the comparisons. We plan to add 2014 and 2015 to these 2016-21 graphs once the earlier data is converted to the structure used in 2016 etc. Graphics prepared by Matt Bromley, survey by John Ladd.

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Some of these problems are also variable dependent on the month of entry. E.g. stream crossings will be more difficult in June than in August. We plan to address entry date issues soon.

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These charts generally ignore hikers who reported a problem as less than significant (ratings 1-2 on the 5-point scale).?

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Mosquitos: Note how much survey-reported mosquito problems vary year-to-year. In the high snow years -- especially 2017 and 2019 -- many more hikers (over 30%) found that mosquito problems were significant, while in the very dry 2020 and 2021 very few did (under 10%). Note especially the really dramatic difference in hikers who rated the problem as severe (5).

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Stream crossings: 2017 and 2019 were our recent high snowpack years. In the low snowpack years, the relatively few hikers reporting significant problems presumably hiked? either early in the year (mostly June) or encountered streams after a heavy rainfall.


Rain, hail or falling snow. This is quite variable by year. 2014 and 2015 (to be added later) had a lot of multi-day and multi-night rain. First late-season snow tends to be about Sept 20, usually light, but quite heavy in 2017. But snow can fall any time. See . Hail tends to accompany afternoon thunderstorms. The survey did not ask people to distinguish between the three forms of precipitation.



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Re: mountaineducation

 

There's this website --??that also has meetups and a podcast. Ned was a recent guest and presented a few sessions on safety. I suspect that if you contact the people running this site, they would know how to get in touch with Ned. Here are all the podcasts:

https://www.thru-r.com/podcast

Although I have never taken one of his courses, I have benefited greatly from Ned's vast experience on mountain safety over the years, especially when I encountered an unexpected late season storm in May 2015, and I recommend listening or reading whatever he has to say.


Re: mountaineducation

 

Thanks all!
..unfortunately that doesn¡¯t help since I abandoned Facebook several data leaks ago ;-)


Failed to get a permit? One way to look for a hiking partner holding an extra permit #JMTsurvey #Conditions #Conditons #Fire #food

 
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[Edited] One tactic if you have not snagged permit: see if someone with a permit who wants a hiking companion (and has space on his/her permit). You can look for them in the SoBo and NoBo Trip Plan Google Sheet shared among the four major JMT groups. There is a column where some people have indicated that they would like (or consider) a hiking partner. It is best to split the permit when the permit-holder picks it up which allows yo both the option to either hike together or separate [but see correction below]. To find it, see Folder 7 in https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2fotO9uESMFZlNadHoxUUtnZHM?resourcekey=0-BY8Opzm5T4cT4TTkJiIJ_w&usp=sharing You can also browse for other resources in the same Drive folder.

Inga Aksamit, our local permit expert, tells me that "unfortunately, Yosemite can't do this anymore after the change to recreation. Gov and Inyo never did allow it." So you would have to hike together.

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John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA? 94114-3707
415-648-9279


Re: Snow info #Conditons

 

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Thanks Lange. This should be very useful to watch. I would definitely be interested as we start the month of May. If we keep a low snow year similar to 2015, end of May may be a good time to get some in on the trail.

Two Dogs
On 3/5/2022 20:26, Lange Jorstad via groups.io wrote:

Hello hikers,

John Ladd asked if I could figure out a way to share the snow graphs I have been posting monthly to the JMT Facebook groups. Some of you may see these already in FB, but not everyone in this group uses FB so this is just casting the net a little wider. The graphs are simply plots of "snow water equivalent" data from the snow sensors closest to the JMT, with data from 2015 (for the historical minimum) and then 2017-2022. The data are downloaded from the California Data Exchange Center website, which makes certain data publicly available for download (since, in essence, it is paid for by public funds). Anyone is free to explore the data directly on the website; the snow info is available here:?.?

Hence, I added a folder to the group files called "Snow" (sorry moderators if this was overstepping, not sure what the rules are about this!). To this folder I added three pdf files:
  1. Sensor map: A snow sensor location map relative to the JMT
  2. Snow graph guidance: Basic instructions and background information about the data source and type
  3. The most recent snow graphs - my intention is to just replace this one whenever I update them, as each iteration just updates the previous version.
The years of data presented in the graphs include the lowest and two of the biggest snow years on record, and various iterations in between. There are lots of web-based tools out there for estimating snow conditions on or near the trail (or more broadly across the Sierra). For example, Postholer models on-trail snowpack estimates for the PCT, which of course covers the JMT. I don't "model" the data, I just download it raw and graph it. If you want an independent check of the SWE data, John Dittli has recommended comparing to the "snow course" data, which are physical measurements of SWE and snowpack depth, made once per month, available here:?.?

I'll drop a note whenever an updated version of the graphs is available.?

Kind regards,
Lange


Re: Snow info #Conditons

 

The easiest way to find Lange's Snow folder is to use this link

/g/JMT/files/Snow

worth bookmarking

Thanks. Lange

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John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA? 94114-3707
415-648-9279


Snow info #Conditons

 

Hello hikers,

John Ladd asked if I could figure out a way to share the snow graphs I have been posting monthly to the JMT Facebook groups. Some of you may see these already in FB, but not everyone in this group uses FB so this is just casting the net a little wider. The graphs are simply plots of "snow water equivalent" data from the snow sensors closest to the JMT, with data from 2015 (for the historical minimum) and then 2017-2022. The data are downloaded from the California Data Exchange Center website, which makes certain data publicly available for download (since, in essence, it is paid for by public funds). Anyone is free to explore the data directly on the website; the snow info is available here:?.?

Hence, I added a folder to the group files called "Snow" (sorry moderators if this was overstepping, not sure what the rules are about this!). To this folder I added three pdf files:
  1. Sensor map: A snow sensor location map relative to the JMT
  2. Snow graph guidance: Basic instructions and background information about the data source and type
  3. The most recent snow graphs - my intention is to just replace this one whenever I update them, as each iteration just updates the previous version.
The years of data presented in the graphs include the lowest and two of the biggest snow years on record, and various iterations in between. There are lots of web-based tools out there for estimating snow conditions on or near the trail (or more broadly across the Sierra). For example, Postholer models on-trail snowpack estimates for the PCT, which of course covers the JMT. I don't "model" the data, I just download it raw and graph it. If you want an independent check of the SWE data, John Dittli has recommended comparing to the "snow course" data, which are physical measurements of SWE and snowpack depth, made once per month, available here:?.?

I'll drop a note whenever an updated version of the graphs is available.?

Kind regards,
Lange


Re: mountaineducation

 

See also Ned's personal FB page



He has been posting things there

You can Friend and Follow him, which makes it more likely you will keep abreast of new posts.

He seems to accept friendship requests freely. I was surprised to notice that he and I share over 300 mutual friends




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John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA? 94114-3707
415-648-9279