Re: Good resource for PCT section hike
From the CalFire Incident map it looks like the only portion of
the PCT which was affected by the fire is from Hwy 50 to Echo
Chalet. The south side of Echo lake was burned, but not the North
side on which the PCT traverses. Who knows what it will look like
when the snow melts.
Being from Sacramento I have hiked that area since I was a Boy
Scout. I hiked from Echo lake to Donner pass (Hwy 80) last year in
mid June and the last section was dry. It was strange to see some
of the streams already dry so early in June.
Hwy 88 (Carson Pass) to Hwy 50 (Echo Summit) on the PCT is a nice
day hike. I plan on doing the round trip from 88 to Ebbetts pass
and back as a shake down for the JMT early in June. It's not
spectacular country, but it's miles.
On 3/29/2022 12:44 PM, Derek Koonce
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I thought the Caldor fire got more of the PCT. Glad I thought
wrong. Great map resource.
Two Dogs
On 3/29/2022 08:44, WanderingJim
wrote:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 09:28 PM, Derek Koonce wrote:
Anything along the PCT near Highway 50 may be
restricted due to the Caldor fire last year. It wiped out a
huge swath of the wilderness from Hwy 88 to Hwy 50.
Yeah, that's been one of my concerns too.
As of Feb 9th, PCTA is showing that section as open:
Hard to say how nice it'll be to hike through.
Might not know the true status until the snow melts out and
people get some eyeballs on the damage.
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Re: Good resource for PCT section hike
I thought the Caldor fire got more of the PCT. Glad I thought
wrong. Great map resource.
Two Dogs
On 3/29/2022 08:44, WanderingJim wrote:
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On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 09:28 PM, Derek Koonce wrote:
Anything along the PCT near Highway 50 may be
restricted due to the Caldor fire last year. It wiped out a huge
swath of the wilderness from Hwy 88 to Hwy 50.
Yeah, that's been one of my concerns too.
As of Feb 9th, PCTA is showing that section as open:
Hard to say how nice it'll be to hike through.
Might not know the true status until the snow melts out and people
get some eyeballs on the damage.
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Re: Good resource for PCT section hike
On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 09:28 PM, Derek Koonce wrote:
Anything along the PCT near Highway 50 may be restricted due to the Caldor fire last year. It wiped out a huge swath of the wilderness from Hwy 88 to Hwy 50.
Yeah, that's been one of my concerns too. As of Feb 9th, PCTA is showing that section as open: Hard to say how nice it'll be to hike through. Might not know the true status until the snow melts out and people get some eyeballs on the damage.
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Re: Good resource for PCT section hike
Jim,
As you know I used to be the lead moderator for the JMT Yahoo Group for many years.? ?Since then I've focused on Sierra North.? I have a Facebook group of 2.4K members Sierra North PCT Section Hikers.
Lots of good information there.? Many good admins too.
I've hiked Sierra North three times now.? Will be doing it again this summer.
As you get older (I'm 72 now), it is much gentler on the body to hike that section.? North of Sonora Pass, you can use the Ursack bag (approved in Desolation Wilderness and Lassen NP and all points in between).
Lizzy Wenks, if my memory?serves me right, asserts the Sierra extends up to Old Station CA (which is just above Lassen NP).? Yes, the Cascades and the Sierra overlap for quite a few miles, so you'll read some places where the Cascade range starts south of that, but that does not mean the Sierra extends up that far.? In any event, our group covers up that far and we don't care if people talk about hiking North of that section.? I've hiked all the way up to (but not all contiguous miles) Crater Lake NP.? Two years ago the fires were so bad, we had to travel up that far to get away from the fires.
Roleigh
ps.? There is another Facebook group worthwhile too.?? Our group is older and more forcused?on the mileage from Tuolumne Meadows to Old Station though.
pss.? Not too many people know there are two Kennedy Meadows along the PCT.? KM north is near Sonora Pass.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 9:22 PM WanderingJim <jimjmt2020@...> wrote:
I have been thinking about and researching this July 2nd NOBO PCT section hike as far as Highway I-80. 3+ weeks. The dry winter has me pretty sure July 2nd from TM won't be a problem this year. But I just got a July 25th permit from Whitney Portal in the lottery. That would likely be for a NOBO JMT trek. 3 weeks going from Tuolumne Meadows to Highway I-80 and then hightailing it down south to do the JMT NOBO trek would be an impressive feat for me (and probably impossible). Likewise, 6 weeks from Whitney to i-80 would be pretty hard for me. I could shorten the PCT section hike to 2 weeks and stop at Echo Summit, spend a week recovering from that (maybe doing some work  ), and then doing the JMT NOBO. I could always do the Desolation Wilderness to I-80 hike separately in the future since the start and exit are pretty easy to access. That's pretty aggressive for me, but I may be able to survive it and convince my boss for the time off. Alternately, I can do the 3 weeks PCT section hike, then do Shepherds Pass (Williamson, Tyndall, Whitney, Muir (and maybe Russell)) mid-August. A little less extreme. For those who've done that Tuolumne Meadows to I-80 part of the PCT and the JMT: Do have any opinions on which is the better hike? Granted, I did the JMT SOBO two years ago, so the scenery will be very familiar (although backward :) ), so the PCT section hike would be all new (mostly).
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Re: Good resource for PCT section hike
Anything along the PCT near Highway 50 may be restricted due to
the Caldor fire last year. It wiped out a huge swath of the
wilderness from Hwy 88 to Hwy 50.
I have been looking for dog friendly areas for a short hike in
the next two weeks with not much luck for this time of year -
trying to keep it below 4500 feet (above 4500 is potential lots of
snow) and above 3000 feet (below 3000 is tick area). Also avoiding
the fire damaged areas as well.
Two Dogs
On 3/28/2022 21:22, WanderingJim wrote:
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I have been thinking about and researching this
July 2nd NOBO PCT section hike as far as Highway I-80. 3+ weeks.
The dry winter has me pretty sure July 2nd from TM won't be a
problem this year.
But I just got a July 25th permit from Whitney Portal in the
lottery. That would likely be for a NOBO JMT trek.
3 weeks going from Tuolumne Meadows to Highway I-80 and then
hightailing it down south to do the JMT NOBO trek would be an
impressive feat for me (and probably impossible). Likewise, 6
weeks from Whitney to i-80 would be pretty hard for me.
I could shorten the PCT section hike to 2 weeks and stop at Echo
Summit, spend a week recovering from that (maybe doing some work
),
and then doing the JMT NOBO. I could always do the Desolation
Wilderness to I-80 hike separately in the future since the start
and exit are pretty easy to access. That's pretty aggressive for
me, but I may be able to survive it and convince my boss for the
time off.
Alternately, I can do the 3 weeks PCT section hike, then do
Shepherds Pass (Williamson, Tyndall, Whitney, Muir (and maybe
Russell)) mid-August. A little less extreme.
For those who've done that Tuolumne Meadows to I-80 part of the
PCT and the JMT: Do have any opinions on which is the better
hike? Granted, I did the JMT SOBO two years ago, so the scenery
will be very familiar (although backward :) ), so the PCT
section hike would be all new (mostly).
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Re: Good resource for PCT section hike
I have been thinking about and researching this July 2nd NOBO PCT section hike as far as Highway I-80. 3+ weeks. The dry winter has me pretty sure July 2nd from TM won't be a problem this year. But I just got a July 25th permit from Whitney Portal in the lottery. That would likely be for a NOBO JMT trek. 3 weeks going from Tuolumne Meadows to Highway I-80 and then hightailing it down south to do the JMT NOBO trek would be an impressive feat for me (and probably impossible). Likewise, 6 weeks from Whitney to i-80 would be pretty hard for me. I could shorten the PCT section hike to 2 weeks and stop at Echo Summit, spend a week recovering from that (maybe doing some work ), and then doing the JMT NOBO. I could always do the Desolation Wilderness to I-80 hike separately in the future since the start and exit are pretty easy to access. That's pretty aggressive for me, but I may be able to survive it and convince my boss for the time off. Alternately, I can do the 3 weeks PCT section hike, then do Shepherds Pass (Williamson, Tyndall, Whitney, Muir (and maybe Russell)) mid-August. A little less extreme. For those who've done that Tuolumne Meadows to I-80 part of the PCT and the JMT: Do have any opinions on which is the better hike? Granted, I did the JMT SOBO two years ago, so the scenery will be very familiar (although backward :) ), so the PCT section hike would be all new (mostly).
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Re: Wondering if it is possible to use a Happy Isles to Illilouette wilderness permit to access Tuolumne Meadows?
That was one of the camps I was considering when I was going to use this permit approach.?
The other was up on one of the ridgelines immediately to the north - someone on High Sierra Topix had a post about it - quite an airy perch but wide enough for a tent, and of course dramatic, expansive views. But would have been quite a hike up to the ridgeline!
On Tuesday, 29 March 2022, 12:41:52 pm AEDT, WanderingJim <jimjmt2020@...> wrote:
Here's the camp I mentioned above at 37.69329, -119.53328:
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[url=https://flic.kr/p/29WScQ3][img]https://live.staticflickr.com/940/43940432862_93ac82d181_6k.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=https://flic.kr/p/MTCyLG][img]https://live.staticflickr.com/1831/30120330128_f955e42146_5k.jpg[/img][/url]
(I can't promise these sunset colors of course :) )
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Re: Wondering if it is possible to use a Happy Isles to Illilouette wilderness permit to access Tuolumne Meadows?
Here's the camp I mentioned above at 37.69329, -119.53328:
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[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/940/43940432862_93ac82d181_6k.jpg[/img]
[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/1831/30120330128_f955e42146_5k.jpg[/img]
(I can't promise these sunset colors of course :) )
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Re: Why this is my favorite group still
Hi John ¡sorry about that I realized after the fact!!?
Thanks for allowing me to be a part of the discussion group ¡the info I gleamed from everyone has been invaluable!!
Thanks to their deep knowledge base ¡I¡¯m able to put together a full JMT hike Happy Isles to Illilouette to Tuolumne Meadows ¡where I can pickup my permit Lyell Canyon Donahue Pass eligible!!
Kind Regards,
Bill
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On Mar 28, 2022, at 11:39 AM, John Ladd <johnladd@...> wrote:
?(You really should post a pdf of the article though, John)
My reporter friends -- some members of this group -- like to get paid and tell me that they would not appreciate it. I will soon post a rewrite and elaboration of the article isth care to use my own language to stay well away from legal or ethical boundaries. E.g. I can just quote what I said to Greg (included in the article or not), what Lizzy Wenk or Sue Spano said, etc. That's not the Chronicle's right to copyright.
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1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA? 94114-3707
415-648-9279
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Re: Wondering if it is possible to use a Happy Isles to Illilouette wilderness permit to access Tuolumne Meadows?
That makes a lot of sense, and is what I assumed they were referring to with the ¡°from one trailhead to another trailhead¡± language, which is one of the cardinal sins of wilderness permits. It would have been pretty strange to specifically prohibit ¡°out and back¡± hikes.
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On 29 Mar 2022, at 4:25 am, Peter Hirst <peter.p.hirst@...> wrote:
? I believe that "backtrack" sentence from the Trailheads map may be the single most poorly written and misinterpreted? statement in all of the Parks posted information on permits and trailheads.? I have puzzled over it for years, and looked into it a number of times, and have determined to my own satisfaction that it does not have anything to do with where you can hike to on trail, in wilderness, after your first night on the trail.
I first noticed it when I was iin a fairly lengthy correspondence with Ed Dunlavey, at the time the chief Wilderness administrator for the park, about the then-newly proposed Donohue quota*.? In looking over that proposed rule, I had stumbled across this "backtracking" language and was puzzled by its odd wording.? I'll spare everyone the grammatical details for the moment, but if you think about it, the modifying phrases "from one trailhead to another", "on any night"? and "either partially or fully" really do not add anything to the meaning of the statement.?
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les that is revised at least yearlySO I dug further, looking for an interpretation, or reiteration somewhere in the permit literature.? I determined that it appears nowhere else.? SInce at least 2015, I have not seen it or anything like it in any permit application page, on any permit, in any statement anywhere in the process of getting or learning about Yosemite wilderness permits.? Most importantly, neither this statement nor anything like it appears in the Superintendents' Compendium, the book of actual rules that is revised annually, and is where a rule actually is made a rule.? If the back tracking rule is actually a rule, violation of which actually has consequences, I wondered why in all the various statements of of rules, conditions and requirements you go through in the permit process, it appears only on this map that many people, including rangers, are not even aware of?
? So I raised it with Ed, and he literally did not know what I was talking about.? He was not aware or either the specific quote from the Trailheads map, nor any rule involving "backtracking" but explained that once a hiker has complied with the first night camp requirements, "We don't tell anyone where they can and can't hike to or camp in wilderness".?
Since that time, I have asked a few rangers about it, and until recently, none of them were familiar with the specific entry, although all referred to the lines and arrows? on the trailheads map, but all said the same thing: once you comply with that first nights camp location, you can go anywhere you can get to on any trail in wilderness.?
Then, a couple of? weeks ago, in a conversation with a ranger at the Wilderness Center, I found one who knew exactly what I was talking about, and who took the time to look at the map with me and go over the paragraph word by word.? ANd guess what: the lights finally went on.
It turns out that the "backtrack" rule has nothing to do with where you can go on the trail in the wilderness.? "Backtracking" according to the ranger, means exiting wilderness from your starting trailhead after your first night and then reentering at another trailhead. ? Go ahead, reread this last sentence two or three times:? I had to have him repeat for me.? The example he gave was this:? You have a Mirror Lake permit to the Snow Creek Trail, but you really want to hike from Happy Isles.? You start out at Mirror Lake and? hike some of Snow Creek, camp legally for the night, but at some point you backtrack, part or all the way to Mirror Lake, exit the Wilderness,? and cut over to Happy Isles (yes there is a trail that connects the Valley Loop around Mirror with Happy Isles, bu tit is not in WIlderness) you then start up the Mist or JMT and Happy Isles to LYV.? Bzzzzzzt! You just voided your permit, but thank you for playing.?
Now, granted, there are a zillion ways that this rule could be stated better, but it fits leaving wilderness at one trailhead and reentering at another? a lot better than hiking back along a section of trail and taking off in another direction.? Just think of what that would prohibit.? Every side trip you can think of, including several I have done since and talked to rangers about, including two years ago, when on a Lyell non-Donohue Permit, I camped the first night at Lyell Base camp, second day hiked up and tagged Donohue Pass, camped at Lyell Headwaters,? and dropped back down to the Lyell Canyon trail - backtracking several miles to the Ireland Lake trail, then up to Vogelsang, Merced Lake, LYV Sunrise and exit at Cathedral Pass TH.? Went over it with a ranger to make sure I was OK tagging Donohue.? No Problem.including the backtrack, once I had passed that four mile arrow for the first camp.?
I don't see any meaningful difference in backtracking to LYV and then Sunrise or anywhere else on the HI/Illilouette permit.? But don't take my word for it:? its always well to inquire.? That can be done by simply putting in your HI/Ililouette/Sunrise/Tuolumne itinerary and see if you get pushback.? I don;t think you will, but because there is not always perfect transparency among rangers, and certaily less than perfect correspondence between the rules as written and as descibed on websites, YMMV.?
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That¡¯s fantastic to know ¡thanks to all of you for taking the time to explain your take on this!! I will feel 100% now leaving Happy Isles ¡.I think I stumbled into a group of ¡°Hiker Scholars Extraordinaire¡± here.
I¡¯ll report back after my Sobo JMT this August!
Cheers
Bill
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Re: Wondering if it is possible to use a Happy Isles to Illilouette wilderness permit to access Tuolumne Meadows?
I believe that "backtrack" sentence from the Trailheads map may be the single most poorly written and misinterpreted? statement in all of the Parks posted information on permits and trailheads.? I have puzzled over it for years, and looked into it a number of times, and have determined to my own satisfaction that it does not have anything to do with where you can hike to on trail, in wilderness, after your first night on the trail.
I first noticed it when I was iin a fairly lengthy correspondence with Ed Dunlavey, at the time the chief Wilderness administrator for the park, about the then-newly proposed Donohue quota*.? In looking over that proposed rule, I had stumbled across this "backtracking" language and was puzzled by its odd wording.? I'll spare everyone the grammatical details for the moment, but if you think about it, the modifying phrases "from one trailhead to another", "on any night"? and "either partially or fully" really do not add anything to the meaning of the statement.?
?
les that is revised at least yearlySO I dug further, looking for an interpretation, or reiteration somewhere in the permit literature.? I determined that it appears nowhere else.? SInce at least 2015, I have not seen it or anything like it in any permit application page, on any permit, in any statement anywhere in the process of getting or learning about Yosemite wilderness permits.? Most importantly, neither this statement nor anything like it appears in the Superintendents' Compendium, the book of actual rules that is revised annually, and is where a rule actually is made a rule.? If the back tracking rule is actually a rule, violation of which actually has consequences, I wondered why in all the various statements of of rules, conditions and requirements you go through in the permit process, it appears only on this map that many people, including rangers, are not even aware of?
? So I raised it with Ed, and he literally did not know what I was talking about.? He was not aware or either the specific quote from the Trailheads map, nor any rule involving "backtracking" but explained that once a hiker has complied with the first night camp requirements, "We don't tell anyone where they can and can't hike to or camp in wilderness".?
Since that time, I have asked a few rangers about it, and until recently, none of them were familiar with the specific entry, although all referred to the lines and arrows? on the trailheads map, but all said the same thing: once you comply with that first nights camp location, you can go anywhere you can get to on any trail in wilderness.?
Then, a couple of? weeks ago, in a conversation with a ranger at the Wilderness Center, I found one who knew exactly what I was talking about, and who took the time to look at the map with me and go over the paragraph word by word.? ANd guess what: the lights finally went on.
It turns out that the "backtrack" rule has nothing to do with where you can go on the trail in the wilderness.? "Backtracking" according to the ranger, means exiting wilderness from your starting trailhead after your first night and then reentering at another trailhead. ? Go ahead, reread this last sentence two or three times:? I had to have him repeat for me.? The example he gave was this:? You have a Mirror Lake permit to the Snow Creek Trail, but you really want to hike from Happy Isles.? You start out at Mirror Lake and? hike some of Snow Creek, camp legally for the night, but at some point you backtrack, part or all the way to Mirror Lake, exit the Wilderness,? and cut over to Happy Isles (yes there is a trail that connects the Valley Loop around Mirror with Happy Isles, bu tit is not in WIlderness) you then start up the Mist or JMT and Happy Isles to LYV.? Bzzzzzzt! You just voided your permit, but thank you for playing.?
Now, granted, there are a zillion ways that this rule could be stated better, but it fits leaving wilderness at one trailhead and reentering at another? a lot better than hiking back along a section of trail and taking off in another direction.? Just think of what that would prohibit.? Every side trip you can think of, including several I have done since and talked to rangers about, including two years ago, when on a Lyell non-Donohue Permit, I camped the first night at Lyell Base camp, second day hiked up and tagged Donohue Pass, camped at Lyell Headwaters,? and dropped back down to the Lyell Canyon trail - backtracking several miles to the Ireland Lake trail, then up to Vogelsang, Merced Lake, LYV Sunrise and exit at Cathedral Pass TH.? Went over it with a ranger to make sure I was OK tagging Donohue.? No Problem.including the backtrack, once I had passed that four mile arrow for the first camp.?
I don't see any meaningful difference in backtracking to LYV and then Sunrise or anywhere else on the HI/Illilouette permit.? But don't take my word for it:? its always well to inquire.? That can be done by simply putting in your HI/Ililouette/Sunrise/Tuolumne itinerary and see if you get pushback.? I don;t think you will, but because there is not always perfect transparency among rangers, and certaily less than perfect correspondence between the rules as written and as descibed on websites, YMMV.?
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Re: Wondering if it is possible to use a Happy Isles to Illilouette wilderness permit to access Tuolumne Meadows?
I think the comment
¡°Yeah I got same permit for Yosemite hike I was planning with my son. Found out you are not allowed to backtrack unless finishing your hike that day. Only way to connect back up to jmt is to go all the way around via red peak and Merced lake¡±
misses an important point. The rule
¡°±á¾±°ì±ð°ù²õ may not backtrack from one trailhead to another trailhead on any night of their trip (either partially or fully) unless exiting at their entry trailhead to end their wilderness trip¡±
specifies backtracking to a trailhead is what is forbidden.? I was plotting a route from Cathedral Lakes to the Pohono Trail, and realized there was no permissible place to camp near Illilouette Falls, even though that had a bunch of great scenic appeal. But to do the Falls, some backtracking would be necessary. As long as the campsites are in permitted areas, and the trip doesn't hit another trailhead, then no rule has been violated. Enjoy the hike!
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Re: Why this is my favorite group still
(You really should post a pdf of the article though, John)
My reporter friends -- some members of this group -- like to get paid and tell me that they would not appreciate it. I will soon post a rewrite and elaboration of the article isth care to use my own language to stay well away from legal or ethical boundaries. E.g. I can just quote what I said to Greg (included in the article or not), what Lizzy Wenk or Sue Spano said, etc. That's not the Chronicle's right to copyright.
--
John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA? 94114-3707
415-648-9279
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Re: Wondering if it is possible to use a Happy Isles to Illilouette wilderness permit to access Tuolumne Meadows?
On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 03:57 PM, <shubillpete@...> wrote:
Hello Yosemite Experts,?
I am just wondering if it is possible to use a Happy Isles to Illilouette Wilderness Permit to access Tuolumne Meadows??
Potential route would be:?
Day 1 - Happy Isles to Panorama Trail Junction to the first permissible campsite on the trail that hugs the west side of Mt Starr King (the Yosemite TH map shows that this route is permissible for the Happy Isles - Illilouette permit)?
Day 2 - Backtrack the Mt Starr King trail to JMT, then proceed up to Cathedral Lakes.?
Day 3 - Cathedral Lakes to TM, and pick up my next permit at TM.?
I have a Lyell Canyon (Donoghue Pass Eligible) JMT permit, so this would basically be a work around for covering the HI to TM leg.?
Someone on another forum suggested that I might be potentially be in violation of my HI to Illilouette permit if I backtracked to the JMT after the first night.?
My understanding was that as long as you enter the correct TH and sleep in the correct first night location, the rest of the trip is fair game on any route (with the exception of "special conditions" routes, such as the Donohue Pass quota system for JMT permits).?
I would be grateful for any insight!
Thanks to all for the great advice and campsite photos ¡it¡¯s invaluable info for me as there was very little specific info & trail reports about getting to the?Illilouette campsites!! I know the mileage from HI to the JMT Panorama Trail Junction. ?How many miles would you say it is from that junction to the? Illilouette campsites?
Also ¡when I asked the Reddit JMT group the same question ¡they said the following:
Comment:
¡°Check out??- do a search on backtrack or "back track" to find it. I remember seeing a post last month about the same Illilouette back to LYV/JMT and somebody cited the sentence from NPS or Yosemite Conservancy () about it being against the rules. If you really want the JMT then look for a cancellation or try to snag the walkup¡± . It's also a note on the map at??
which states:?
¡°±á¾±°ì±ð°ù²õ may not backtrack from one trailhead to another trailhead on any night of their trip (either partially or fully) unless exiting at their entry trailhead to end their wilderness trip¡±
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Comment:
¡°Yeah I got same permit for Yosemite hike I was planning with my son .found out you are not allowed to backtrack unless finishing your hike that day .only way to connect back up to jmt is to go all the way around via red peak and Merced lake¡±
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Re: Wondering if it is possible to use a Happy Isles to Illilouette wilderness permit to access Tuolumne Meadows?
You can just go camp to Illilouette Creek, it is a great little river beach to spend the night. Then it is a short hike to Nevada falls and LYV.?
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Re: Wondering if it is possible to use a Happy Isles to Illilouette wilderness permit to access Tuolumne Meadows?
So, at the trail junction where you need to keep to the left, it is all chaparral. The first place that is open enough for camping is at the red circle. the white part in the circle is an? open spot with some granite slabs.
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Re: Wondering if it is possible to use a Happy Isles to Illilouette wilderness permit to access Tuolumne Meadows?
Thanks everyone for your advice I really appreciate it. ?
If i¡¯m seeing this correctly ¡I need to hike about 1 mile on the Panorama Trail¡ Then make a left onto a spur trail and hike approximately one more mile until I¡¯m allowed to look for established campsites.
Yosemite¡®s published map has a orange arrow ¡I can¡¯t find the name of the spur trail but it looks like I need to follow it until I cross a brook ¡then I should be good to go to find a established campsite!
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Re: Bears Ears pack from Nunatak
#gear
It doesn't work for everyone, like one would expect. Currently we are aware of a 7% return/resell rate.
There's a framed version ready to go, but we are too busy to list it. It could, however, be handed out in limited numbers to interested parties. See a collage here:??Ask for more info, if it looks okay to you.
Most of our experienced long running testers notice a small increase in comfort at peak loads with the framed vs frameless, but at the cost of almost 10 ounces most concluded it was not worth it.?
Contrary to what you allude to, the low center of gravity almost makes frames superfluous. It's like a giant fanny pack with a super beefy hipbelt and suspenders. Remember Wingnut? Kinda building on that concept.
That's the unique aspect of this, and only becomes clear when trying it, but to achieve success?one needs not going too small in torso length. The shoulder straps cannot follow the curvature of the shoulders down the back more than a short distance before undue cinching is needed to prevent a backwards pivot of the pack. But this is a well know fit aspect of popular packs with very supportive hipbelts but no load lifters, such as HMG.
The sizing, for this reason, jumps in only 1.5" increments, probably the closest you can find in a production pack.?
The framed Bears Ears is far more forgiving, thus only projected in three sizes. I am 6'1", 21" torso, 175lbs, 34 inseam and can use both the M/L and L/XL. This makes it much less tricky to sell - the hard part only trying to convince our weight weenie customer base to eat the 10 ounces.
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