Re: Backpacking rain jackets
I've never found a rain jacket that doesn't wet out.? I stick with cheaper rain jackets of no particular brand and use an umbrella.? It's been a game changer?for me. Phil
My husband and I are in the market for new backpacking rain jacket our last ones from Eastern Mountain Sports seems to be leaking where the pack straps rest. Anyone have suggestions for lightweight, preferably waterproof jacket with tips? I'm trying to avoid spending an arm and a leg for the one brand that is probably the best but not very lightweight.? We go back and forth between buying an expensive one and just continue to be willing to buy cheaper ones that will only last for a few seasons. Yes, it rains often will we back pack:-)
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Re: Backpacking rain jackets
My go-to suit is an EMS packable combination I boought over 10 years ago.? For a local leak like that, I just hit it with a good seam sealer.? I have treated the entire suit a couple of time, probably more than necessary. ?? I use TexSport polyurethane waterproofing and seam sealer for a lot of applications like this.?
? Gorilla makes a similar product, but I have not tried it.
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Re: Backpacking rain jackets
I've alternated between Outdoor Research Helium and Frogs Toggs rain suits over the years. The original OR Helium jacked eventually wore out and wetted out quickly even after I tried unsuccessfully to apply a new DWR coating. The company replaced it under warranty and I still have the replacement and it performs reasonably well but still wets out if there's strong and steady rain for a long time. The Frog Toggs, in contrast, do not seem to lose their effectiveness but part of the reason is that they fail in other ways before the coating degrades. They are very fragile and the looks and feel is poor. But they cost $20-25, so they are effectively disposable rainwear. ?Although disposable, they can last a full thru hike. I took Frogg Toggs on the Colorado Trail in 2014 and although both the pants and the jacket had a lot of duct tape by the end of the four week hike, they were still usable when I threw them away, and it rained almost every day on that trip.
If I was in the market for a new jacket today, I'd seriously consider the zPacks Vertice rain jacket. I have the zPacks rain pants and they are super lightweight and I like the feel of it and how it fits. But the zPacks Vertice rain jacket is not cheap at $299. That's like ten+ Frogg Toggs Rain suits!
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Re: Backpacking rain jackets
I like my Enlightened Equipment VISP.? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of K Goppert Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 1:58 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [JMT-groups.io] Backpacking rain jackets ? My husband and I are in the market for new backpacking rain jacket our last ones from Eastern Mountain Sports seems to be leaking where the pack straps rest. Anyone have suggestions for lightweight, preferably waterproof jacket with tips? I'm trying to avoid spending an arm and a leg for the one brand that is probably the best but not very lightweight.? We go back and forth between buying an expensive one and just continue to be willing to buy cheaper ones that will only last for a few seasons. Yes, it rains often will we back pack:-)
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My husband and I are in the market for new backpacking rain jacket our last ones from Eastern Mountain Sports seems to be leaking where the pack straps rest. Anyone have suggestions for lightweight, preferably waterproof jacket with tips? I'm trying to avoid spending an arm and a leg for the one brand that is probably the best but not very lightweight.? We go back and forth between buying an expensive one and just continue to be willing to buy cheaper ones that will only last for a few seasons. Yes, it rains often will we back pack:-)
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Bears Ears pack from Nunatak
#gear
I bought a "Bears Ears" pack from Nunatak (nunatakusa.com) and I'm impressed with it.? It's reasonably light -- 27 oz but can be stripped to 25 oz.??
It's designed to carry a bear can on the OUTSIDE.? It has 35 liters of space in the main pack which is gigantic.? It also has a huge wrap-around pocket.? The bottle holder is the best I've seen -- and I've tried plenty!? You don't need to be a contortionist to get the bottle out.? It is rated for 35 pounds.? It is sturdy - unlike many ultralight packs.
I put my Bearikade Expedition on it, loaded it up with some weight and did a 5 mile hike and it was GREAT!? My main concern was that the can would dig into my back or flop around.? Not at all.? It was held very solidly about 4" away from my back.
I absolutely hate trying to cram gear into a rectangular pack around a huge cylindrical bear can taking up most of the pack space.?
Another useful application is putting waterproof food inside the pack and turning the bearcan into your "sanctum santorum" (cf: Colin Fletcher) while hiking -- i.e. all your down, electronics, etc.
$330
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Byron Nevins
Lead Moderator of JMT at groups.io
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Re: Permits for Kennedy Meadows entrance northbound
#permits
As others have said, KM is a non-quota trailhead.? Permit via Inyo two weeks before your start.? I also recall there was a member or two here that hiked the JMT starting at KM last year.? You might search through the posts.?
We did that section last May (Cottonwood Lakes, New Army, SOBO to Kennedy Meadows).? Just be aware, water is a challenge south of Cottonwood Pass and the severe drought makes it even worse.? Many of the seasonal streams where already dry last May.? The PCT water report was helpful for planning on how much water to carry between reliable sources.? Here is a link to a map I made of water sources for that hike:?https://caltopo.com/m/RM05?
JP
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I also have?the UGQ Bandit @10 deg F with no extra fill but I did get the 950fp down.? It has worked well on the JMT and last year along the northern section?of the CDT.? I rarely have used a strap for my NeoAir XLite and have only experienced a few nights of sleeping cold.? It's part of the outdoor experience.? I do wear a merino wool hoodie when I sleep and just pull the hood over my head.? I gave up on wearing a wool beanie since it seemed I was waking up to pull it back on my head.? I'm starting the PCT in three weeks and will continue with my current sleep system.? I have three other 'bags' that take up space at home now.? I am planning on getting rid of them since I am a committed?quilt user.?
Phil
Sleep system is one of my comforts.? I am willing to carry more weight to have restful sleep.? On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 7:38 PM Rick < rick@...> wrote:
I have a UGQ Bandit 20 degree top quilt which I use with a Nemo
Tensor. I am a stomach sleeper and have actually slept quite
comfortably at 20 degrees. (and I am also a "cold" sleeper.) I
cannot use a sleeping bag because they are too confining. On more
temperate nights I like to stick my feet out of the "covers" and
quilts make this easy.
My backpacking experiences started years without a pad, just a
ground cloth, even in the High Sierras. I am older now with tired
bones and I have grown use to sleeping in comfort. I love my quilt
and my Tensor.
On 3/16/2022 4:14 PM, Mike B wrote:
I too have both quilts and bags. I am a side /
stomach sleeper that moves a fair amount and I sleep cold. I use
a bag when temps are below freezing and use a quilt otherwise.
Being a cold and mobile sleeper my pad is always insulated and
my sleep clothes are wool base layers and I wear a hat always. I
also use bags / quilts that are rated below anticipated temps.
Temps in the 40’s would be a 10 or 15 degree quilt, temps on the
30’s would be a 15 degree bag or I have used a 0 degree quilt
(still cold though), temps 0 to minus -5 would be a minus -20
bag. Anything colder then that and I start to wonder why I am
out. Lately I have started sleeping with my puffy jacket and I
have been warmer it seems to cut down on the drafts around my
shoulders. Hot water bottles help as well.?
Mike
I
have both a quilt and a sleeping bag. Several bags,
actually. The main advantage of the quilt is that it's
lighter. The secondary advantage is that it is less
confining.
The main disadvantage is that it is more prone to leak warm
air when you move around than a zipped up bag. And unless
your quilt has a hood or is extra long it's harder to keep
your head and face warm in really cold weather.
But in the context of the JMT, from June-September, it's
quilt all the way for me.
--
"The time is at hand when
you will have forgotten everything; and the time
is at hand when all will have forgotten you.
Always reflect that soon you will be no one, and
nowhere."
Marcus Aurelius
"The time is at hand when you will have forgotten everything; and the time is at hand when all will have forgotten you. Always reflect that soon you will be no one, and nowhere."
Marcus Aurelius
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On warm days, I use my bag open, like a quilt, but on cold days, I really appreciate being able to zip it up. I upgraded to a Versatile bag in Mammoth - which has the best zipper ever,
I got an envelope for my sleeping pad from the DownWorks in Santa Cruz, which gives me more room like a quilt, but it has zippers on both sides, so I can choose to unzip 1 or both sides on warm days.
For me, on the JMT, I was cold my first week from TM to Mammoth with a 20 degree synthetic bag. This was the end of August — and it got colder as I went up in elevation further south. I was very glad that I got a new down bag in Mammoth - even though it cost me a small fortune, even on sale.
Linda Selover
Stormy2007@...
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Sleep system is one of my comforts.? I am willing to carry more weight to have restful sleep.
Me too! But I don't see any reason to carry more than enough. I also want to be happy when I'm walking. You have to figure out what you need to be happy, it's not a one-size-fits-all question.
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My Revelation Enlightened Equipment zero degree quilt has no hood and I have used it in the Sierra for two years on small backpacking trips as well as the JMT twice. There have only been a few times that I decided to sleep in my down puffer jacket that has
a hood. Occasionally I will wear a light beanie. The side with clasps usually goes underneath me as I sleep since it doesn’t zip. I’m tiny and get cold easily and yet have never been uncomfortable in my quilt.?
Heather McCoy
@mermaidlovesmountains
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On Mar 16, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Charlene Jensen <Thepowerofyes@...> wrote:
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When sleeping in cooler weather, I also wear a wool or alpaca beanie and recently started using down socks/ booties under my quilt. The pair is well-worth the extra 2 oz to me. I’m wondering about others’ experiences with down hoods/ balaclavas
for use with either quilts or sleeping bags that don’t have hoods?
18oz quilt with NeoAir inside bivy (bug bivy in season). ?Extended temp range comfortably to 20 degrees using hooded puffy, insulated pants and down booties. ?This gives me summer and three season options and allows me to drop weight
easily. ?I am also too active a sleeper for a sleeping bag.
On Mar 16, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Rick <rick@...> wrote:
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I have a UGQ Bandit 20 degree top quilt which I use with a Nemo Tensor. I am a stomach sleeper and have actually slept quite comfortably at 20 degrees. (and I am also a "cold" sleeper.) I cannot use a sleeping bag because they are too confining.
On more temperate nights I like to stick my feet out of the "covers" and quilts make this easy.
My backpacking experiences started years without a pad, just a ground cloth, even in the High Sierras. I am older now with tired bones and I have grown use to sleeping in comfort. I love my quilt and my Tensor.
On 3/16/2022 4:14 PM, Mike B wrote:
I too have both quilts and bags. I am a side / stomach sleeper that moves a fair amount and I sleep cold. I use a bag when temps are below freezing and use a quilt otherwise. Being a cold and mobile sleeper my pad is always insulated
and my sleep clothes are wool base layers and I wear a hat always. I also use bags / quilts that are rated below anticipated temps. Temps in the 40’s would be a 10 or 15 degree quilt, temps on the 30’s would be a 15 degree bag or I have used a 0 degree quilt
(still cold though), temps 0 to minus -5 would be a minus -20 bag. Anything colder then that and I start to wonder why I am out. Lately I have started sleeping with my puffy jacket and I have been warmer it seems to cut down on the drafts around my shoulders.
Hot water bottles help as well.?
Mike
I have both a quilt and a sleeping bag. Several bags, actually. The main advantage of the quilt is that it's lighter. The secondary advantage is that it is less confining.
The main disadvantage is that it is more prone to leak warm air when you move around than a zipped up bag. And unless your quilt has a hood or is extra long it's harder to keep your head and face warm in really cold weather.
But in the context of the JMT, from June-September, it's quilt all the way for me.
--
"The time is at hand when you will have forgotten everything; and the time is at hand when all will have forgotten you. Always reflect that soon you will be no one, and nowhere."
Marcus Aurelius
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Sleep system is one of my comforts.? I am willing to carry more weight to have restful sleep.? On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 7:38 PM Rick < rick@...> wrote:
I have a UGQ Bandit 20 degree top quilt which I use with a Nemo
Tensor. I am a stomach sleeper and have actually slept quite
comfortably at 20 degrees. (and I am also a "cold" sleeper.) I
cannot use a sleeping bag because they are too confining. On more
temperate nights I like to stick my feet out of the "covers" and
quilts make this easy.
My backpacking experiences started years without a pad, just a
ground cloth, even in the High Sierras. I am older now with tired
bones and I have grown use to sleeping in comfort. I love my quilt
and my Tensor.
On 3/16/2022 4:14 PM, Mike B wrote:
I too have both quilts and bags. I am a side /
stomach sleeper that moves a fair amount and I sleep cold. I use
a bag when temps are below freezing and use a quilt otherwise.
Being a cold and mobile sleeper my pad is always insulated and
my sleep clothes are wool base layers and I wear a hat always. I
also use bags / quilts that are rated below anticipated temps.
Temps in the 40’s would be a 10 or 15 degree quilt, temps on the
30’s would be a 15 degree bag or I have used a 0 degree quilt
(still cold though), temps 0 to minus -5 would be a minus -20
bag. Anything colder then that and I start to wonder why I am
out. Lately I have started sleeping with my puffy jacket and I
have been warmer it seems to cut down on the drafts around my
shoulders. Hot water bottles help as well.?
Mike
I
have both a quilt and a sleeping bag. Several bags,
actually. The main advantage of the quilt is that it's
lighter. The secondary advantage is that it is less
confining.
The main disadvantage is that it is more prone to leak warm
air when you move around than a zipped up bag. And unless
your quilt has a hood or is extra long it's harder to keep
your head and face warm in really cold weather.
But in the context of the JMT, from June-September, it's
quilt all the way for me.
--
"The time is at hand when
you will have forgotten everything; and the time
is at hand when all will have forgotten you.
Always reflect that soon you will be no one, and
nowhere."
Marcus Aurelius
-- "The time is at hand when you will have forgotten everything; and the time is at hand when all will have forgotten you. Always reflect that soon you will be no one, and nowhere."
Marcus Aurelius
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I’ve bought a quilt but haven’t had the chance to try it yet. One thing I plan to keep using is my down hood that keeps my head and neck warm and moves with me as I toss and turn - unlike my sleeping bag hood.? Martha?
On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:38 PM Rick < rick@...> wrote:
I have a UGQ Bandit 20 degree top quilt which I use with a Nemo
Tensor. I am a stomach sleeper and have actually slept quite
comfortably at 20 degrees. (and I am also a "cold" sleeper.) I
cannot use a sleeping bag because they are too confining. On more
temperate nights I like to stick my feet out of the "covers" and
quilts make this easy.
My backpacking experiences started years without a pad, just a
ground cloth, even in the High Sierras. I am older now with tired
bones and I have grown use to sleeping in comfort. I love my quilt
and my Tensor.
On 3/16/2022 4:14 PM, Mike B wrote:
I too have both quilts and bags. I am a side /
stomach sleeper that moves a fair amount and I sleep cold. I use
a bag when temps are below freezing and use a quilt otherwise.
Being a cold and mobile sleeper my pad is always insulated and
my sleep clothes are wool base layers and I wear a hat always. I
also use bags / quilts that are rated below anticipated temps.
Temps in the 40’s would be a 10 or 15 degree quilt, temps on the
30’s would be a 15 degree bag or I have used a 0 degree quilt
(still cold though), temps 0 to minus -5 would be a minus -20
bag. Anything colder then that and I start to wonder why I am
out. Lately I have started sleeping with my puffy jacket and I
have been warmer it seems to cut down on the drafts around my
shoulders. Hot water bottles help as well.?
Mike
I
have both a quilt and a sleeping bag. Several bags,
actually. The main advantage of the quilt is that it's
lighter. The secondary advantage is that it is less
confining.
The main disadvantage is that it is more prone to leak warm
air when you move around than a zipped up bag. And unless
your quilt has a hood or is extra long it's harder to keep
your head and face warm in really cold weather.
But in the context of the JMT, from June-September, it's
quilt all the way for me.
--
"The time is at hand when
you will have forgotten everything; and the time
is at hand when all will have forgotten you.
Always reflect that soon you will be no one, and
nowhere."
Marcus Aurelius
-- Martha Gilmore, PhD, CGP, FAGPA
. Please excuse brevity and typographical errors.
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When sleeping in cooler weather, I also wear a wool or alpaca beanie and recently started using down socks/ booties under my quilt. The pair is well-worth the extra 2 oz to me. I’m wondering about others’ experiences with down hoods/ balaclavas for use with either quilts or sleeping bags that don’t have hoods?
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18oz quilt with NeoAir inside bivy (bug bivy in season). ?Extended temp range comfortably to 20 degrees using hooded puffy, insulated pants and down booties. ?This gives me summer and three season options and allows me to drop weight easily. ?I am also too active a sleeper for a sleeping bag. On Mar 16, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Rick <rick@...> wrote:
?
I have a UGQ Bandit 20 degree top quilt which I use with a Nemo
Tensor. I am a stomach sleeper and have actually slept quite
comfortably at 20 degrees. (and I am also a "cold" sleeper.) I
cannot use a sleeping bag because they are too confining. On more
temperate nights I like to stick my feet out of the "covers" and
quilts make this easy.
My backpacking experiences started years without a pad, just a
ground cloth, even in the High Sierras. I am older now with tired
bones and I have grown use to sleeping in comfort. I love my quilt
and my Tensor.
On 3/16/2022 4:14 PM, Mike B wrote:
I too have both quilts and bags. I am a side /
stomach sleeper that moves a fair amount and I sleep cold. I use
a bag when temps are below freezing and use a quilt otherwise.
Being a cold and mobile sleeper my pad is always insulated and
my sleep clothes are wool base layers and I wear a hat always. I
also use bags / quilts that are rated below anticipated temps.
Temps in the 40’s would be a 10 or 15 degree quilt, temps on the
30’s would be a 15 degree bag or I have used a 0 degree quilt
(still cold though), temps 0 to minus -5 would be a minus -20
bag. Anything colder then that and I start to wonder why I am
out. Lately I have started sleeping with my puffy jacket and I
have been warmer it seems to cut down on the drafts around my
shoulders. Hot water bottles help as well.?
Mike
I
have both a quilt and a sleeping bag. Several bags,
actually. The main advantage of the quilt is that it's
lighter. The secondary advantage is that it is less
confining.
The main disadvantage is that it is more prone to leak warm
air when you move around than a zipped up bag. And unless
your quilt has a hood or is extra long it's harder to keep
your head and face warm in really cold weather.
But in the context of the JMT, from June-September, it's
quilt all the way for me.
--
"The time is at hand when
you will have forgotten everything; and the time
is at hand when all will have forgotten you.
Always reflect that soon you will be no one, and
nowhere."
Marcus Aurelius
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18oz quilt with NeoAir inside bivy (bug bivy in season). ?Extended temp range comfortably to 20 degrees using hooded puffy, insulated pants and down booties. ?This gives me summer and three season options and allows me to drop weight easily. ?I am also too active a sleeper for a sleeping bag.
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On Mar 16, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Rick <rick@...> wrote:
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I have a UGQ Bandit 20 degree top quilt which I use with a Nemo
Tensor. I am a stomach sleeper and have actually slept quite
comfortably at 20 degrees. (and I am also a "cold" sleeper.) I
cannot use a sleeping bag because they are too confining. On more
temperate nights I like to stick my feet out of the "covers" and
quilts make this easy.
My backpacking experiences started years without a pad, just a
ground cloth, even in the High Sierras. I am older now with tired
bones and I have grown use to sleeping in comfort. I love my quilt
and my Tensor.
On 3/16/2022 4:14 PM, Mike B wrote:
I too have both quilts and bags. I am a side /
stomach sleeper that moves a fair amount and I sleep cold. I use
a bag when temps are below freezing and use a quilt otherwise.
Being a cold and mobile sleeper my pad is always insulated and
my sleep clothes are wool base layers and I wear a hat always. I
also use bags / quilts that are rated below anticipated temps.
Temps in the 40’s would be a 10 or 15 degree quilt, temps on the
30’s would be a 15 degree bag or I have used a 0 degree quilt
(still cold though), temps 0 to minus -5 would be a minus -20
bag. Anything colder then that and I start to wonder why I am
out. Lately I have started sleeping with my puffy jacket and I
have been warmer it seems to cut down on the drafts around my
shoulders. Hot water bottles help as well.?
Mike
I
have both a quilt and a sleeping bag. Several bags,
actually. The main advantage of the quilt is that it's
lighter. The secondary advantage is that it is less
confining.
The main disadvantage is that it is more prone to leak warm
air when you move around than a zipped up bag. And unless
your quilt has a hood or is extra long it's harder to keep
your head and face warm in really cold weather.
But in the context of the JMT, from June-September, it's
quilt all the way for me.
--
"The time is at hand when
you will have forgotten everything; and the time
is at hand when all will have forgotten you.
Always reflect that soon you will be no one, and
nowhere."
Marcus Aurelius
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When sleeping in cooler weather, I also wear a wool or alpaca beanie and recently started using down socks/ booties under my quilt. The pair is well-worth the extra 2 oz to me. I’m wondering about others’ experiences with down hoods/ balaclavas for use with either quilts or sleeping bags that don’t have hoods?
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On Mar 16, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Rick < rick@...> wrote:
I have a UGQ Bandit 20 degree top quilt which I use with a Nemo
Tensor. I am a stomach sleeper and have actually slept quite
comfortably at 20 degrees. (and I am also a "cold" sleeper.) I
cannot use a sleeping bag because they are too confining. On more
temperate nights I like to stick my feet out of the "covers" and
quilts make this easy.
My backpacking experiences started years without a pad, just a
ground cloth, even in the High Sierras. I am older now with tired
bones and I have grown use to sleeping in comfort. I love my quilt
and my Tensor.
On 3/16/2022 4:14 PM, Mike B wrote:
I too have both quilts and bags. I am a side /
stomach sleeper that moves a fair amount and I sleep cold. I use
a bag when temps are below freezing and use a quilt otherwise.
Being a cold and mobile sleeper my pad is always insulated and
my sleep clothes are wool base layers and I wear a hat always. I
also use bags / quilts that are rated below anticipated temps.
Temps in the 40’s would be a 10 or 15 degree quilt, temps on the
30’s would be a 15 degree bag or I have used a 0 degree quilt
(still cold though), temps 0 to minus -5 would be a minus -20
bag. Anything colder then that and I start to wonder why I am
out. Lately I have started sleeping with my puffy jacket and I
have been warmer it seems to cut down on the drafts around my
shoulders. Hot water bottles help as well.?
Mike
I
have both a quilt and a sleeping bag. Several bags,
actually. The main advantage of the quilt is that it's
lighter. The secondary advantage is that it is less
confining.
The main disadvantage is that it is more prone to leak warm
air when you move around than a zipped up bag. And unless
your quilt has a hood or is extra long it's harder to keep
your head and face warm in really cold weather.
But in the context of the JMT, from June-September, it's
quilt all the way for me.
--
"The time is at hand when
you will have forgotten everything; and the time
is at hand when all will have forgotten you.
Always reflect that soon you will be no one, and
nowhere."
Marcus Aurelius
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I have a UGQ Bandit 20 degree top quilt which I use with a Nemo
Tensor. I am a stomach sleeper and have actually slept quite
comfortably at 20 degrees. (and I am also a "cold" sleeper.) I
cannot use a sleeping bag because they are too confining. On more
temperate nights I like to stick my feet out of the "covers" and
quilts make this easy.
My backpacking experiences started years without a pad, just a
ground cloth, even in the High Sierras. I am older now with tired
bones and I have grown use to sleeping in comfort. I love my quilt
and my Tensor.
On 3/16/2022 4:14 PM, Mike B wrote:
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I too have both quilts and bags. I am a side /
stomach sleeper that moves a fair amount and I sleep cold. I use
a bag when temps are below freezing and use a quilt otherwise.
Being a cold and mobile sleeper my pad is always insulated and
my sleep clothes are wool base layers and I wear a hat always. I
also use bags / quilts that are rated below anticipated temps.
Temps in the 40’s would be a 10 or 15 degree quilt, temps on the
30’s would be a 15 degree bag or I have used a 0 degree quilt
(still cold though), temps 0 to minus -5 would be a minus -20
bag. Anything colder then that and I start to wonder why I am
out. Lately I have started sleeping with my puffy jacket and I
have been warmer it seems to cut down on the drafts around my
shoulders. Hot water bottles help as well.?
Mike
I
have both a quilt and a sleeping bag. Several bags,
actually. The main advantage of the quilt is that it's
lighter. The secondary advantage is that it is less
confining.
The main disadvantage is that it is more prone to leak warm
air when you move around than a zipped up bag. And unless
your quilt has a hood or is extra long it's harder to keep
your head and face warm in really cold weather.
But in the context of the JMT, from June-September, it's
quilt all the way for me.
--
"The time is at hand when
you will have forgotten everything; and the time
is at hand when all will have forgotten you.
Always reflect that soon you will be no one, and
nowhere."
Marcus Aurelius
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I too have both quilts and bags. I am a side / stomach sleeper that moves a fair amount and I sleep cold. I use a bag when temps are below freezing and use a quilt otherwise. Being a cold and mobile sleeper my pad is always insulated and my sleep clothes are wool base layers and I wear a hat always. I also use bags / quilts that are rated below anticipated temps. Temps in the 40’s would be a 10 or 15 degree quilt, temps on the 30’s would be a 15 degree bag or I have used a 0 degree quilt (still cold though), temps 0 to minus -5 would be a minus -20 bag. Anything colder then that and I start to wonder why I am out. Lately I have started sleeping with my puffy jacket and I have been warmer it seems to cut down on the drafts around my shoulders. Hot water bottles help as well.?
Mike
I have both a quilt and a sleeping bag. Several bags, actually. The main advantage of the quilt is that it's lighter. The secondary advantage is that it is less confining.
The main disadvantage is that it is more prone to leak warm air when you move around than a zipped up bag. And unless your quilt has a hood or is extra long it's harder to keep your head and face warm in really cold weather.
But in the context of the JMT, from June-September, it's quilt all the way for me.
-- "The time is at hand when you will have forgotten everything; and the time is at hand when all will have forgotten you. Always reflect that soon you will be no one, and nowhere."
Marcus Aurelius
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KG has some helpful info. on their blog about quilts, including those of their Elite line which they say provide “the comfort and weight of a quilt with mummy-style performance”. (And no, I really don’t rep for them - just love my Flex!)
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I chose the 900 fill power hyperdry goose down and didn’t opt for overfill…but I thought about it. Their quilts can be returned within 30 days but not if they’ve been customized. I haven't experienced any issues with the down shifting. It has baffling throughout, though, so you certainly could manually move the down to wherever you want it most. The quilts come with a snap and drawstring at the top (draft collar) and at the bottom which I really like. It’s said that KG’s temperature ratings are pretty true to the degree stated, but I haven't taken my quilt below it’s stated comfort threshold yet to verify that.?
I've heard great reviews about Katabatic quilts!? One complaint of some quilt brands I've heard is the shifting of the down stuffing resulting in cold spots.? The Katabatic Flex has the option of adding an ounce or two of overfill -- thus reducing the shifting and adding just a few degrees to the rating.? Any thoughts on either cold spots or overfill?
This would be my first quilt and I want to get it right the first time!? Thanks.
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 01:11:20 PM PDT, Charlene Jensen < thepowerofyes@...> wrote:
I'm a rotisserie sleeper and have always felt restricted and even claustrophobic in sleeping bags. My Katabatic Gear quilt is a godsend. It has the usual cord system for use with a sleeping pad and it also came with a set of webbing straps to thread thru elastic loops for use without a sleeping pad. The closed overstuffed foot box can be fully opened on warm nights and it's lightweight. I watched an outdoor video series way back where the host talked about 'smoothing it' (vs. 'roughing it') and, imho, this quilt nails it. ?
Thanks Fred
I have both a quilt and a sleeping bag. Several bags, actually. The main advantage of the quilt is that it's lighter. The secondary advantage is that it is less confining.
The main disadvantage is that it is more prone to leak warm air when you move around than a zipped up bag. And unless your quilt has a hood or is extra long it's harder to keep your head and face warm in really cold weather.
But in the context of the JMT, from June-September, it's quilt all the way for me.
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I chose the 900 fill power hyperdry goose down and didn’t opt for overfill…but I thought about it. Their quilts can be returned within 30 days but not if they’ve been customized. I haven't experienced any issues with the down shifting. It has baffling throughout, though, so you certainly could manually move the down to wherever you want it most. The quilts come with a snap and drawstring at the top (draft collar) and at the bottom which I really like. It’s said that KG’s temperature ratings are pretty true to the degree stated, but I haven't taken my quilt below it’s stated comfort threshold yet to verify that.?
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I've heard great reviews about Katabatic quilts!? One complaint of some quilt brands I've heard is the shifting of the down stuffing resulting in cold spots.? The Katabatic Flex has the option of adding an ounce or two of overfill -- thus reducing the shifting and adding just a few degrees to the rating.? Any thoughts on either cold spots or overfill?
This would be my first quilt and I want to get it right the first time!? Thanks.
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 01:11:20 PM PDT, Charlene Jensen < thepowerofyes@...> wrote:
I'm a rotisserie sleeper and have always felt restricted and even claustrophobic in sleeping bags. My Katabatic Gear quilt is a godsend. It has the usual cord system for use with a sleeping pad and it also came with a set of webbing straps to thread thru elastic loops for use without a sleeping pad. The closed overstuffed foot box can be fully opened on warm nights and it's lightweight. I watched an outdoor video series way back where the host talked about 'smoothing it' (vs. 'roughing it') and, imho, this quilt nails it. ?
Thanks Fred
I have both a quilt and a sleeping bag. Several bags, actually. The main advantage of the quilt is that it's lighter. The secondary advantage is that it is less confining.
The main disadvantage is that it is more prone to leak warm air when you move around than a zipped up bag. And unless your quilt has a hood or is extra long it's harder to keep your head and face warm in really cold weather.
But in the context of the JMT, from June-September, it's quilt all the way for me.
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