Re: Starting JMT at Bubb's Creek TH?
Your most welcome.? I have one more recommendation:? Just do it.? The trail is well worth all of the logistical and permitting complications.? Enjoy yourself and good luck.
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From: Christian M
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Thanks for all the replies! Very helpful. I will keep researching to figure out where best to start--and when.
Happy new year?
Christian?
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Re: Starting JMT at Bubb's Creek TH?
Thanks for all the replies! Very helpful. I will keep researching to figure out where best to start--and when.
Happy new year?
Christian?
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First off, I'm glad to see some activity on this group again.? I thought maybe I missed the memo!
I agree, the smoke/fire situation cancelled my trip last year in mid August so I'm aiming earlier this year.? That said, I will likely get permits for the 1st of August and then the 15th and cancel whichever makes sense once the snow conditions are settled.
I'm only doing a week and just a portion on the JMT.
On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 4:21 PM ravi_jmt2013 < ravi@...> wrote: Until last year, I would have suggested late August or September. But the fires closure ruined my plans and I no longer have confidence that the authorities won't simply close national forests throughout the state even if the fires are elsewhere.? So I am debating whether to plan something for earlier in August or perhaps even in July. I would prefer to avoid mosquitos and snow but I really need to get back this summer after not wanting to fly in 2020 due to covid and having the fires shut down the forest last year. ?
It is too early to know how the snow pack will look. The issue, however, is that permit reservations are made six months out so we cannot know what the snow situation will be like when we reserve permits..?
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Until last year, I would have suggested late August or September. But the fires closure ruined my plans and I no longer have confidence that the authorities won't simply close national forests throughout the state even if the fires are elsewhere. ?So I am debating whether to plan something for earlier in August or perhaps even in July. I would prefer to avoid mosquitos and snow but I really need to get back this summer after not wanting to fly in 2020 due to covid and having the fires shut down the forest last year. ?
It is too early to know how the snow pack will look. The issue, however, is that permit reservations are made six months out so we cannot know what the snow situation will be like when we reserve permits..?
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Re: Starting JMT at Bubb's Creek TH?
The originating agency should have a link to their recreation.gov
permit page on their wilderness permit page.
For the SEKI Bubbs Creek permit
I have found that Inga's Adventures site has the most current
discussion of JMT permitting.
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Frank
On 1/3/2022 7:26 AM, oschiopu6 wrote:
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Hi Marion..or someone,
I keep getting bounced back and forth between the
recreation.gov and nps websites...but can't find the form and
place to submit to the permit request.
Do you or someone have the actual link to those
pages....
Thanks...
You get your permit from the agency that
controls your chosen trailhead.? In your case that would be be
SEKI. (Sequoia Kings Canyon NP.? )When you apply you indicate
how many days on trail, what exit trailhead you plan to use,
and give an itinerary of your overnight stays.? Your permit is
valid in all the agencies you travel through, and your
overnight stops aren't a Rock solid thing.? If you meet a
ranger in the Backcountry who wants to check your permit, they
aren't going to nitpick.? If you are on your permitted trail
within your date window, you are golden.??
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Frank
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Hi Marion..or someone,
I keep getting bounced back and forth between the recreation.gov and nps websites...but can't find the form and place to submit to the permit request.
Do you or someone have the actual link to those pages....
Thanks...
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You get your permit from the agency that controls your chosen trailhead.? In your case that would be be SEKI. (Sequoia Kings Canyon NP.? )When you apply you indicate how many days on trail, what exit trailhead you plan to use, and give an itinerary
of your overnight stays.? Your permit is valid in all the agencies you travel through, and your overnight stops aren't a Rock solid thing.? If you meet a ranger in the Backcountry who wants to check your permit, they aren't going to nitpick.? If you are on
your permitted trail within your date window, you are golden.??
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Re: Starting JMT at Bubb's Creek TH?
I see that SEKI has moved wilderness permits to recreation.gov.
Bubbs Creek is one of the trailheads for the very popular Rae
Lakes Loop so it might not be easier to get a permit there. All
available permits for Bubbs Creek and Woods Creek were reserved
today for July 2, while there were still some Inyo permits that
access the JMT available when I looked this evening.
Inyo has a list of alternate JMT entry points at
. I
don't know if that is a full list of all possible JMT trailheads.
There are some Inyo permits that do NOT allow access to the
JMT/PCT.
Frank
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I am thinking of doing the JMT
in July 2022. I don't care too much about walking every
mile of the trail and so for ease of permitting I was
thinking of starting at Bubb's Creek Trailhead in
Sequoia-Kings Canyon. It's about 12 miles from the
trailhead to the JMT. I'd then head north.?
My question and forgive me if
the answer is obvious and I should have figured out on my
own: Can one simply start the JMT wherever they wish if
they can get a permit? I understand why it's so difficult
to get permits at the northern and southern ends, but I
wonder if Bubb's Creek is easier? Once I get that permit
can I just head east and then north with no further
worries about permits?
Thanks and please let me know
if my question is not clear.
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Frank
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Excellent advice by Marion.? Right now there is a ton of snow at lower elevations from Lee Vining to Tom¡¯s Place, but if the snow tap turns off in the next three months, the December snow could be a memory in July even in the passes. This
December was an anomaly snow wise as even the last big snow year in 2019 was pretty much snowless in December 2018.? To be safe, apply for a permit starting from an Inyo TH for an early to Mid August start and you can always change later on.? As far as starting
in Yosemite, my understanding is that you can no longer get a DP exit permit if you are starting from either Glacier or Sunrise (perhaps Lyell?) and also with an exit permit you can¡¯t camp in LYV on the first night but must camp after the Clouds Rest cutoff,
but Inga can confirm this.? Good luck.
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From: Marion Davison
Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 2:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [JMT-groups.io] JMT suggestions #permits
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Here is what I would do.
1.? Watch how the snow year shapes up.? In a big snow year, I would hike
the JMT beginning in early to mid August.? In a regular snow year, I
might start around July 20.? In a low snow year I might start about July
10.? Right now it is too soon to tell how the snow year will shape up.
All this early snow/rain is a big anomaly.? My goal is to avoid a lot of
postholing, or drowning in a creek crossing, or being eaten alive by
mosquitoes.? So I like to wait until the snow has melted, the creeks
have calmed down, and the big moskie bloom has subsided.
2.? I would get a northbound permit starting from Cottonwood Pass or
Cottonwood Lakes.? I would camp at Crabtree and dayhike the summit of
Whitney, in order to get the "full trail experience".
3.? The permit process for Yosemite got a major revamp this year so I
couldn't tell you anything about that. I hope it is an improvement.
4.? The permit process for Inyo has been much the same for many years,
and I have always gotten the permit I wanted.? I guess I have been very
lucky. I typically get my permit 6 months in advance, which would
usually be late February.? But if conditions change I may drop it and
pick up a different permit for a different date or trailhead.
Disclaimer:
I hiked the JMT nobo in 1996, starting at Camp Whitsett in Johnsondale.
I hiked the JMT sobo in 1999, starting at Leavitt Meadow near Sonora
Pass.? Since then I have hiked segments every year, always starting from
the east side, so I have gotten all my permits from Inyo.
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Re: Starting JMT at Bubb's Creek TH?
Actually, you only need a Whitney exit permit if your hike originates in the Inyo.? Also there isn¡¯t a separate Whitney Portal permit; if available, it is a part of your general wilderness permit.? There is also no separate exit permit
for Donahue Pass, but it is part of the general permit (again if available).
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Christian:? as far as your question, the answer is yes.? Subject to availability, you can start the JMT on any trail head that leads to it.? We started at Rush Creek and walk to the JMT and then North to Happy Isle where we picked up our
car and drove back to June Lake and started south to Whitney again from Rush Creek Trail Head.? Along the way, we met hikers who had started at various points along the trail and while most of them started on east side THs, we did meet a number of people who
had started from westside THs, particularly after the Inyo closed due to the fire situation.
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Where ever you do start, it will knock your socks off.? This was our third year trying the trail and it never got boring. ?
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Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 8:37 PM
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You can pretty much do what you want once you¡¯re in, with two exceptions, neither of which would apply to you starting at Bubbs and going North. ?The exceptions are:
1 - exiting Whitney Portal - you need an explicit permit for this
2 - exiting Yosemite via Donahue pass going Southbound - you need an explicit permit for this too
Ian
On Jan 2, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Christian M <christian.w.mcmillen@...> wrote:
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I am thinking of doing the JMT in July 2022. I don't care too much about walking every mile of the trail and so for ease of permitting I was thinking of starting at Bubb's Creek Trailhead in Sequoia-Kings Canyon.
It's about 12 miles from the trailhead to the JMT. I'd then head north.?
My question and forgive me if the answer is obvious and I should have figured out on my own: Can one simply start the JMT wherever they wish if they can get a permit? I understand why it's so difficult to get
permits at the northern and southern ends, but I wonder if Bubb's Creek is easier? Once I get that permit can I just head east and then north with no further worries about permits?
Thanks and please let me know if my question is not clear.
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Marion¡¯s answer is much better than mine. ?Mine is accurate, but didn¡¯t tell you much. ?Marion¡¯s tells you what you need to know.
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On Jan 2, 2022, at 6:43 PM, Marion Davison <mardav@...> wrote:
? You get your permit from the agency that controls your chosen trailhead.? In your case that would be be SEKI. (Sequoia Kings Canyon NP.? )When you apply you indicate how many days on trail, what exit trailhead you plan to use, and give an itinerary of your overnight stays.? Your permit is valid in all the agencies you travel through, and your overnight stops aren't a Rock solid thing.? If you meet a ranger in the Backcountry who wants to check your permit, they aren't going to nitpick.? If you are on your permitted trail within your date window, you are golden.??
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You get your permit from the agency that controls your chosen trailhead.? In your case that would be be SEKI. (Sequoia Kings Canyon NP.? )When you apply you indicate how many days on trail, what exit trailhead you plan to use, and give an itinerary of your overnight stays.? Your permit is valid in all the agencies you travel through, and your overnight stops aren't a Rock solid thing.? If you meet a ranger in the Backcountry who wants to check your permit, they aren't going to nitpick.? If you are on your permitted trail within your date window, you are golden.??
On Jan 2, 2022 5:34 PM, Christian M <christian.w.mcmillen@...> wrote:
I am thinking of doing the JMT in July 2022. I don't care too much about walking every mile of the trail and so for ease of permitting I was thinking of starting at Bubb's Creek Trailhead in Sequoia-Kings Canyon. It's about 12 miles from the trailhead to the JMT. I'd then head north.?
My question and forgive me if the answer is obvious and I should have figured out on my own: Can one simply start the JMT wherever they wish if they can get a permit? I understand why it's so difficult to get permits at the northern and southern ends, but I wonder if Bubb's Creek is easier? Once I get that permit can I just head east and then north with no further worries about permits?
Thanks and please let me know if my question is not clear.
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Re: Starting JMT at Bubb's Creek TH?
You can pretty much do what you want once you¡¯re in, with two exceptions, neither of which would apply to you starting at Bubbs and going North. ?The exceptions are:
1 - exiting Whitney Portal - you need an explicit permit for this 2 - exiting Yosemite via Donahue pass going Southbound - you need an explicit permit for this too
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On Jan 2, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Christian M <christian.w.mcmillen@...> wrote:
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I am thinking of doing the JMT in July 2022. I don't care too much about walking every mile of the trail and so for ease of permitting I was thinking of starting at Bubb's Creek Trailhead in Sequoia-Kings Canyon. It's about 12 miles from the trailhead to the JMT. I'd then head north.?
My question and forgive me if the answer is obvious and I should have figured out on my own: Can one simply start the JMT wherever they wish if they can get a permit? I understand why it's so difficult to get permits at the northern and southern ends, but I wonder if Bubb's Creek is easier? Once I get that permit can I just head east and then north with no further worries about permits?
Thanks and please let me know if my question is not clear.
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Starting JMT at Bubb's Creek TH?
I am thinking of doing the JMT in July 2022. I don't care too much about walking every mile of the trail and so for ease of permitting I was thinking of starting at Bubb's Creek Trailhead in Sequoia-Kings Canyon. It's about 12 miles from the trailhead to the JMT. I'd then head north.?
My question and forgive me if the answer is obvious and I should have figured out on my own: Can one simply start the JMT wherever they wish if they can get a permit? I understand why it's so difficult to get permits at the northern and southern ends, but I wonder if Bubb's Creek is easier? Once I get that permit can I just head east and then north with no further worries about permits?
Thanks and please let me know if my question is not clear.
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FW: [JMT-groups.io] JMT suggestions
#permits
Just to add to the excellent (as always!) advise here¡
Two websites that I¡¯ve found helpful RE: Snow levels are the following:
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Right now, we anticipate playing the lottery for the end of August/beginning of September going SOBO.
Eric
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On Behalf Of John Girot
Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 1:27 PM
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Yes, excellent advice from Marion re: weather.?
I did the JMT in 2020. Started at Tuolumne Meadows(Lyell Canyon) in mid August and exited Whitney Portal in early September. I scored my permit through the Yosemite lottery. Probably helped that we didn¡¯t start
at Happy Isles. If you¡¯ve already explored Yosemite Valley and the surrounding areas you can increase your odds by skipping all that if you¡¯re heading southbound.
Another big consideration in recent years is wildfires. Might be worth it to just pack the microspikes, deal with some snow on the passes and decrease the likelihood of having to bail due to wildfires later in the season. Good luck!
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Great advice from Marion on snow considerations.? We've got lots now,
but the spigot could shut off in January, we could have a couple of hot
spells in late Spring, and the snowpack could be very different.? But?
mid-August thru September should be a safe bet for all the reasons
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On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 12:38 PM Marion Davison <mardav@...> wrote:
Here is what I would do.
1.? Watch how the snow year shapes up.? In a big snow year, I would hike
the JMT beginning in early to mid August.? In a regular snow year, I
might start around July 20.? In a low snow year I might start about July
10.? Right now it is too soon to tell how the snow year will shape up.
All this early snow/rain is a big anomaly.? My goal is to avoid a lot of
postholing, or drowning in a creek crossing, or being eaten alive by
mosquitoes.? So I like to wait until the snow has melted, the creeks
have calmed down, and the big moskie bloom has subsided.
2.? I would get a northbound permit starting from Cottonwood Pass or
Cottonwood Lakes.? I would camp at Crabtree and dayhike the summit of
Whitney, in order to get the "full trail experience".
3.? The permit process for Yosemite got a major revamp this year so I
couldn't tell you anything about that. I hope it is an improvement.
4.? The permit process for Inyo has been much the same for many years,
and I have always gotten the permit I wanted.? I guess I have been very
lucky. I typically get my permit 6 months in advance, which would
usually be late February.? But if conditions change I may drop it and
pick up a different permit for a different date or trailhead.
Disclaimer:
I hiked the JMT nobo in 1996, starting at Camp Whitsett in Johnsondale.
I hiked the JMT sobo in 1999, starting at Leavitt Meadow near Sonora
Pass.? Since then I have hiked segments every year, always starting from
the east side, so I have gotten all my permits from Inyo.
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Yes, excellent advice from Marion re: weather.?
I did the JMT in 2020. Started at Tuolumne Meadows(Lyell Canyon) in mid August and exited Whitney Portal in early September. I scored my permit through the Yosemite lottery. Probably helped that we didn¡¯t start at Happy Isles. If you¡¯ve already explored Yosemite Valley and the surrounding areas you can increase your odds by skipping all that if you¡¯re heading southbound.
Another big consideration in recent years is wildfires. Might be worth it to just pack the microspikes, deal with some snow on the passes and decrease the likelihood of having to bail due to wildfires later in the season. Good luck! John Girot
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On Jan 2, 2022, at 12:58 PM, Peter Klein <pklein95014@...> wrote:
? Great advice from Marion on snow considerations.? We've got lots now, but the spigot could shut off in January, we could have a couple of hot spells in late Spring, and the snowpack could be very different.? But? mid-August thru September should be a safe bet for all the reasons she mentions. On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 12:38 PM Marion Davison < mardav@...> wrote: Here is what I would do.
1.? Watch how the snow year shapes up.? In a big snow year, I would hike
the JMT beginning in early to mid August.? In a regular snow year, I
might start around July 20.? In a low snow year I might start about July
10.? Right now it is too soon to tell how the snow year will shape up.
All this early snow/rain is a big anomaly.? My goal is to avoid a lot of
postholing, or drowning in a creek crossing, or being eaten alive by
mosquitoes.? So I like to wait until the snow has melted, the creeks
have calmed down, and the big moskie bloom has subsided.
2.? I would get a northbound permit starting from Cottonwood Pass or
Cottonwood Lakes.? I would camp at Crabtree and dayhike the summit of
Whitney, in order to get the "full trail experience".
3.? The permit process for Yosemite got a major revamp this year so I
couldn't tell you anything about that. I hope it is an improvement.
4.? The permit process for Inyo has been much the same for many years,
and I have always gotten the permit I wanted.? I guess I have been very
lucky. I typically get my permit 6 months in advance, which would
usually be late February.? But if conditions change I may drop it and
pick up a different permit for a different date or trailhead.
Disclaimer:
I hiked the JMT nobo in 1996, starting at Camp Whitsett in Johnsondale.
I hiked the JMT sobo in 1999, starting at Leavitt Meadow near Sonora
Pass.? Since then I have hiked segments every year, always starting from
the east side, so I have gotten all my permits from Inyo.
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Great advice from Marion on snow considerations.? We've got lots now, but the spigot could shut off in January, we could have a couple of hot spells in late Spring, and the snowpack could be very different.? But? mid-August thru September should be a safe bet for all the reasons she mentions.
On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 12:38 PM Marion Davison < mardav@...> wrote: Here is what I would do.
1.? Watch how the snow year shapes up.? In a big snow year, I would hike
the JMT beginning in early to mid August.? In a regular snow year, I
might start around July 20.? In a low snow year I might start about July
10.? Right now it is too soon to tell how the snow year will shape up.
All this early snow/rain is a big anomaly.? My goal is to avoid a lot of
postholing, or drowning in a creek crossing, or being eaten alive by
mosquitoes.? So I like to wait until the snow has melted, the creeks
have calmed down, and the big moskie bloom has subsided.
2.? I would get a northbound permit starting from Cottonwood Pass or
Cottonwood Lakes.? I would camp at Crabtree and dayhike the summit of
Whitney, in order to get the "full trail experience".
3.? The permit process for Yosemite got a major revamp this year so I
couldn't tell you anything about that. I hope it is an improvement.
4.? The permit process for Inyo has been much the same for many years,
and I have always gotten the permit I wanted.? I guess I have been very
lucky. I typically get my permit 6 months in advance, which would
usually be late February.? But if conditions change I may drop it and
pick up a different permit for a different date or trailhead.
Disclaimer:
I hiked the JMT nobo in 1996, starting at Camp Whitsett in Johnsondale.
I hiked the JMT sobo in 1999, starting at Leavitt Meadow near Sonora
Pass.? Since then I have hiked segments every year, always starting from
the east side, so I have gotten all my permits from Inyo.
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Here is what I would do.
1. Watch how the snow year shapes up. In a big snow year, I would hike the JMT beginning in early to mid August. In a regular snow year, I might start around July 20. In a low snow year I might start about July 10. Right now it is too soon to tell how the snow year will shape up. All this early snow/rain is a big anomaly. My goal is to avoid a lot of postholing, or drowning in a creek crossing, or being eaten alive by mosquitoes. So I like to wait until the snow has melted, the creeks have calmed down, and the big moskie bloom has subsided.
2. I would get a northbound permit starting from Cottonwood Pass or Cottonwood Lakes. I would camp at Crabtree and dayhike the summit of Whitney, in order to get the "full trail experience".
3. The permit process for Yosemite got a major revamp this year so I couldn't tell you anything about that. I hope it is an improvement.
4. The permit process for Inyo has been much the same for many years, and I have always gotten the permit I wanted. I guess I have been very lucky. I typically get my permit 6 months in advance, which would usually be late February. But if conditions change I may drop it and pick up a different permit for a different date or trailhead.
Disclaimer:
I hiked the JMT nobo in 1996, starting at Camp Whitsett in Johnsondale.
I hiked the JMT sobo in 1999, starting at Leavitt Meadow near Sonora Pass. Since then I have hiked segments every year, always starting from the east side, so I have gotten all my permits from Inyo.
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Looking for some advice on the best way to get a JMT permit, from someone who has gotten one since COVID. Anyone with suggestions as far as dates to shoot for would be welcome to. A lot of snow has been falling so far this winter and the only years I have made it far into the high country, since I was a kid, have been light-medium snow years. Thank you everyone!
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Over the past couple of years, like many of you, I had extra time on my hands. I intended to backpack in the Sierras (or elsewhere), had some of my plans thwarted by COVID, and had unrequited backpacking anticipation.
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I decided to channel my energies into writing a book. Many of my favorite books are ¡°outdoor/environmental¡± mysteries. Unfortunately, none of my favorite authors highlight backpackers and backpacking, so I decided to write a mystery book involving a backpacker. Such was the genesis of?Leave No Trace.
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I wrote?Leave No Trace?with many of my backpacking experiences and memories in mind. I hope that when you read it, you will also remember being in special places (I was there!) or recall your experiences and sensations. There are twists and turns that will be familiar to a backpacker. I also hope that you¡¯ll appreciate the graphics!
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And, from now until December 10th, 20% of all profits from book sales will be donated to the Yosemite Conservancy. So, you can relive your backpacking trips, vicariously experience a new one, and help Yosemite!
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The image below is a link to the book¡¯s availability on Amazon:
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Thank you,
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Re: Tuolumne Master Plan Info, as promised
There¡¯s sort of a reason why the ROD might be a scan.? The ROD is the legal enabling document for the whole plan, and the signatures are a legal part of the document.
Good point, but I'm not sure the legally version needs to be the one posted. An addendum could always say something like "The officially signed copy is on file at the National Archive".
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