keep in mind that Arcteryx has different models and people tend to think the most expensive one is the best, and it is if you are mountaineering but if you are hiking you need the lighter, often cheaper models (if they actually have any that year). I got my Beta SL on 50% off and it¡¯s a pretty amazing jacket. Having said that, I still would only take it when the weather is very likely to be nasty/fringe and I¡¯ll take my lighter, easier to pack, Marmot Precip or Frogg Toggs when problem weather isn¡¯t as likely. I almost always carry my Patagonia Wind Jacket these days too as it works in alot of conditions/situations. One of my favourite pieces of gear.