Re: Confused RE: How to re-image the Quadra

#130

The simplified and sanitized version is that some company in China
pirated the FTDI chipset in the cable, and flooded the market with
cheap counterfeit knock-offs, which were adopted by all the
beancounter-managed companies that used FTDI features.  Predictably,
FTDI took umbrage and "bricked" the counterfeits.  I'm not familiar
with the technical details of how this was done, but all the knockoff
cables suddenly became useful only as bungee cords, except that they
didn't stretch very well.

My personal stake in this -- I bought a cheap Chinese handi-talkie
intended as a new-ham freebie "welcome to our brotherhood" giveaway.
This was just after the bricking occurred but before it became common
knowledge.  The HT came with a counterfeit-chip programming cable,
branded with the HT company logo.  As it happens, this HT had a
"feature" that made programming it through the front panel nearly
impossible from a usability standpoint, but it didn't really matter
because it wouldn't save the programming when the HT was turned off.

The US vendor that supplied the HT was the sole authorized US
distributor for the brand, and I was in personal contact with the
owner, CEO, and chief bottle-washer about the fact that the original
cable wouldn't program my radio.   His "fix"?  He personally sent me a
new replacement cable with the company logo that was supposed to have
a genuine FTDI chip.  He knew about the counterfeit FTDI chip problem
almost from Day One.  The diabolic part for me was that the
counterfeit cables appeared to work perfectly until it was time to hit
"save".

His fix?  Well, not so much of a fix.   The new cable worked exactly
like the old fix.

Ultimately I bought a Kenwood cable, which worked perfectly and solved
the problem instantly.  It cost almost as much as the cheap Chinese
HT, NOT counting the months of my wasted time that I'll never get
back.

Now I'm left with an HT I've never used and never will use, because
the affair was too distasteful in too many respects.  I also have two
cables with counterfeit FTDI chips.  The sole bright side is that I
have a cable with a genuine FTDI chip -- that works with the old
drivers as well as with the new drivers, as do all the genuine FTDI
cables, as far as I've seen.

So as far as I can tell, this never was a driver issue, except that
perhaps the drivers were part of the highly successful "bricking"
exploit, or else now somebody has implemented an FTDI client that's
not fully compliant with all of FTDI's API.

If I've got any of this wrong, or if anybody can add information to
the party (especially how FTDI bricked the counterfeit chips), please
speak up promptly.

73
Jim N6OTQ

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On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 11:54 AM Andrew <averacpa@...> wrote:

I am afraid I am not aware of that.

 I do know that my cable works with Chirp on Windows 10, so the issue is with finding the right driver (and proper install) to work.

Re: Confused RE: How to re-image the Quadra

#129

I am afraid I am not aware of that.

 I do know that my cable works with Chirp on Windows 10, so the issue is with finding the right driver (and proper install) to work.

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On Nov 27, 2022, at 11:59, Jim Strohm <jim.strohm@...> wrote:

?Andrew,

I trust you are aware of the FTDI chip and cabe scandal / fiasco of
several years back.  As I recall from those times of trouble, only
Kenwood-branded cables could be relied upon to work reliably.  I have
my own personal story about this subject, but it's probably
inappropriate for this forum.

73
Jim N6OTQ


On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 10:25 AM Andrew <averacpa@...> wrote:

As a suggestion, is it possible to include the FTDI drivers for CHIRP?

Have two HT (Baofeng and Yaesu FT-60).  The cable for the Baofeng works without any issue, but being new to LINUX, I am having difficulty trying to get the FTDI cable for the Yaesu to work.  Trying to install Linux D2XX drivers from the www.ftdichip.com site but have not been successful.  Maybe missing several steps in coding.

Andrew

Re: Confused RE: How to re-image the Quadra

#128

Andrew,

I trust you are aware of the FTDI chip and cabe scandal / fiasco of
several years back.  As I recall from those times of trouble, only
Kenwood-branded cables could be relied upon to work reliably.  I have
my own personal story about this subject, but it's probably
inappropriate for this forum.

73
Jim N6OTQ

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On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 10:25 AM Andrew <averacpa@...> wrote:

As a suggestion, is it possible to include the FTDI drivers for CHIRP?

Have two HT (Baofeng and Yaesu FT-60).  The cable for the Baofeng works without any issue, but being new to LINUX, I am having difficulty trying to get the FTDI cable for the Yaesu to work.  Trying to install Linux D2XX drivers from the www.ftdichip.com site but have not been successful.  Maybe missing several steps in coding.

Andrew

Re: Confused RE: How to re-image the Quadra

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As a suggestion, is it possible to include the FTDI drivers for CHIRP? ?

Have two HT (Baofeng and Yaesu FT-60). ?The cable for the Baofeng works without any issue, but being new to LINUX, I am having difficulty trying to get the FTDI cable for the Yaesu to work. ?Trying to install Linux D2XX drivers from the ?site but have not been successful. ?Maybe missing several steps in coding.

Andrew

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On Nov 26, 2022, at 9:17 PM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

Terry,

Glad you figured it out.

This initial image is only a?beta. It comes with its own shortcomings and pitfalls.

I literally built it as an (almost) all-nighter. I'm surprised it functions as well as it does, actually, considering the amount of QA which went into it.

The next version will be much more polished.

73,

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 8:53 PM ve3ega <ve3ega@...> wrote:
Dave, has Dennis pointed out its the simplest of things that confuse us!
My personal 'Gotchya' was exactly the same as Dennis's - I kept looking at the Quadra Log In Box and entering the password 'raspberry' many times and wondering what I had done wrong!
eventually, my mouse hovered above the letters Pi (which I thought was just background!) and "VOILA" a HamPi log in!!

"The rest, they say is history" (at least on my part - and I'm only 2 Days into this 'Ham's-dream' software suite!)

Thanks Dave for such a 'beautiful thing'..

73

Terry

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Re: wsjtx install trickery

#126

Dale, thanks to your contribution and another's, we have enough for the first month, and are halfway to the second month.

Groups.io has enabled the Files section and the Wiki section.

Btw, I should probably not try to run/moderate the group all by myself... Even I get sick, go on vacation, whatever...

Who wants to volunteer to moderate the group? Please send me a private message.

Thanks and 73,

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Re: Confused RE: How to re-image the Quadra

#125

Don't worry, I had the same issue when I first loaded.?

73

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On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 10:37 AM KK0DJ <deejay52@...> wrote:

ARGGGHHHH... it was way too simple of a fix - just select the "pi" user instead of the "quadra" user and a different environment (HamPi for Quadra) comes up.? Sometimes the simplest things can confuse!? No help needed now!
THanks
73
Dennis
KK0DJ

Re: wsjtx install trickery

#124

IIRC, once you go above 100 members, you have to go premium anyway.? Here's my $20 for the first month :-). I'm sure you won't have any problems getting the remaining $200 for this year.?

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On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 8:21 PM Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

Here's what Groups.io charges to upgrade from Free (basic) to Premium Plan,,, It's $20 a month or $220/year.

Premium Plan
Additional Features
Polls, Calendar, Chat, Member Directory, Integrations, Photos, Files, Database, Wiki
Subgroups
30GB Attachment Storage
Directly Add Members
RSVPs for events
Increased File and Photo Size Limits
Monthly Pricing:?$20/month for up to 500 members, with each additional member $0.04/month
Yearly Pricing:?$220/year for up to 500 members, with each additional member $0.44/year

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 9:16 PM Dave Slotter, W3DJS via <slotter=[email protected]> wrote:
Unfortunately, Dale, activating files means I have to pay a monthly fee to Groups.io.

I have no budget. However, I just added a button for sponsoring the group financially -- it is at?/g/Inovato-Quadra-4-HamRadio

If someone could do that, we could have a files section.

-Dave

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 9:13 PM Dale Hardin KS4NS <joe.dale.hardin@...> wrote:
If the group owner will activate files, you could post your info there.? Otherwise, just post to group.? I, for one, need this info.? Dale ks4ns

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Re: wsjtx install trickery

#123

Here's what Groups.io charges to upgrade from Free (basic) to Premium Plan,,, It's $20 a month or $220/year.

Premium Plan

Additional Features

Polls, Calendar, Chat, Member Directory, Integrations, Photos, Files, Database, Wiki
Subgroups
30GB Attachment Storage
Directly Add Members
RSVPs for events
Increased File and Photo Size Limits
Monthly Pricing:?$20/month for up to 500 members, with each additional member $0.04/month
Yearly Pricing:?$220/year for up to 500 members, with each additional member $0.44/year

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On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 9:16 PM Dave Slotter, W3DJS via <slotter=[email protected]> wrote:

Unfortunately, Dale, activating files means I have to pay a monthly fee to Groups.io.

I have no budget. However, I just added a button for sponsoring the group financially -- it is at?/g/Inovato-Quadra-4-HamRadio

If someone could do that, we could have a files section.

-Dave

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 9:13 PM Dale Hardin KS4NS <joe.dale.hardin@...> wrote:
If the group owner will activate files, you could post your info there.? Otherwise, just post to group.? I, for one, need this info.? Dale ks4ns

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Re: Confused RE: How to re-image the Quadra

#122

Terry,

Glad you figured it out.

This initial image is only a beta. It comes with its own shortcomings and pitfalls.

I literally built it as an (almost) all-nighter. I'm surprised it functions as well as it does, actually, considering the amount of QA which went into it.

The next version will be much more polished.

73,

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On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 8:53 PM ve3ega <ve3ega@...> wrote:

Dave, has Dennis pointed out its the simplest of things that confuse us!
My personal 'Gotchya' was exactly the same as Dennis's - I kept looking at the Quadra Log In Box and entering the password 'raspberry' many times and wondering what I had done wrong!
eventually, my mouse hovered above the letters Pi (which I thought was just background!) and "VOILA" a HamPi log in!!

"The rest, they say is history" (at least on my part - and I'm only 2 Days into this 'Ham's-dream' software suite!)

Thanks Dave for such a 'beautiful thing'..

73

Terry

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Re: wsjtx install trickery

#121

Unfortunately, Dale, activating files means I have to pay a monthly fee to Groups.io.

I have no budget. However, I just added a button for sponsoring the group financially -- it is at?/g/Inovato-Quadra-4-HamRadio

If someone could do that, we could have a files section.

-Dave

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On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 9:13 PM Dale Hardin KS4NS <joe.dale.hardin@...> wrote:

If the group owner will activate files, you could post your info there.? Otherwise, just post to group.? I, for one, need this info.? Dale ks4ns

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Re: wsjtx install trickery

#120

If the group owner will activate files, you could post your info there.? Otherwise, just post to group.? I, for one, need this info.? Dale ks4ns

Re: wsjtx install trickery

ve3ega

#119

afterthought... If anyone is struggling and needs WSJT-X settings for "QRPLabs QDX"
let me know here...

Re: wsjtx install trickery

ve3ega

#118
Edited

Dave,

I will indeed try this soon, THANK YOU!!! but to be honest, YOU have spoiled me right now with HamIQ/HamPi..
Once I figured out how to get it on to Quadra - everything I need is now there!

(Like a kid in a Candy-Store)
?
I even 'Sing in the Shower' again!

Thanks for the 'Early Christmas Present'

73

Terry

Re: Confused RE: How to re-image the Quadra

ve3ega

#117

Dave, has Dennis pointed out its the simplest of things that confuse us!
My personal 'Gotchya' was exactly the same as Dennis's - I kept looking at the Quadra Log In Box and entering the password 'raspberry' many times and wondering what I had done wrong!
eventually, my mouse hovered above the letters Pi (which I thought was just background!) and "VOILA" a HamPi log in!!

"The rest, they say is history" (at least on my part - and I'm only 2 Days into this 'Ham's-dream' software suite!)

Thanks Dave for such a 'beautiful thing'..

73

Terry

Re: DXSpider #logon

#116

That poster was misinformed. However, I do not know much about DXSpyder.... It is a very old program, but one which looks like it still works well -- as long as one knows what they're doing with it.

73,

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On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 7:27 PM Don--AE4DW <AE4DW.Don@...> wrote:

I stand corrected. I had read a couple posts somewhere that the DXSpyder access was totally off limits.

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Re: DXSpider #logon

Don--AE4DW

#115

I stand corrected. I had read a couple posts somewhere that the DXSpyder access was totally off limits.

Re: DXSpider #logon

#114

DXSpyder Sysop account is for administering the DXSpyder software... It's actually quite old?software -- it runs off of *gasp* ... Perl!

You are not supposed to log in as the sysop account directly. You need to sudo into it from the pi login (or whatever login you are using):

This will get you in:

Open a terminal and type:

sudo -i -u sysop

Also, the HamPi wiki has some?documentation here:?

Hope this helps.

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On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 11:52 AM Don--AE4DW <AE4DW.Don@...> wrote:

I was wondering the same when I saw it, and based on some older posts I found in the Ham-Pi group, its not for our access.

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Re: Confused RE: How to re-image the Quadra

#113

I'm working on a more clear and intuitive login for the next version of HamIQ. I took a lot of shortcuts and accumulated a bunch of "technical debt" while rushing through the first image... That's why it's beta. :-)

73,

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On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 1:37 PM KK0DJ <deejay52@...> wrote:

ARGGGHHHH... it was way too simple of a fix - just select the "pi" user instead of the "quadra" user and a different environment (HamPi for Quadra) comes up.? Sometimes the simplest things can confuse!? No help needed now!
THanks
73
Dennis
KK0DJ

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Re: Password won’t change

#112

Paul,

Glad you've gotten it figured out. Linux does have a learning curve attached to it, but I guarantee you, if you persist?and hang in there, the rewards will be more than enough!

Also, this is a safe place to ask any and all Inovato Quadra questions.

73,

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On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 11:39 AM K2DB Paul Mackanos <paul.mackanos@...> wrote:

never mind, i was too impatient.
Paul K2DB

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 11:18 AM K2DB Paul Mackanos via <paul.mackanos=[email protected]> wrote:
I did what it said, and it won’t change the password. The instructions are rather ambiguous, ?it doesn’t say whether to enter the password twice and hit enter or just run it together or whatever can anybody help me?
Paul K2DB

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Re: wsjtx install trickery

#111

Terry,

Try running this script on your Quadra to just install WSJT-X.

Let me know if that works for you.

73,

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On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 10:21 PM ve3ega <ve3ega@...> wrote:

Dave,

It seems, from all accounts Dave that you know your way around the Raspberry Pi and now Quadra really well.

I have a newbie question: Is it possible to create a bootable WSJT-X SD Card that will work simply by inserting it into the Qadro and powering up - while retaining the Quadra OS when removed?

Like many, I don't need fldigi, clocks, loggers, Calculators and other stuff that may well 'choke' the feeble CPU and RAM of the Quadra.

I simply have an application specific need for my Quadra..

WSJT-X

I know WSJT-X works flawlessly under Linux Mint (for example) I have it installed as a dual-boot on Toshiba and Acer mini notebooks but I don't
know my way around the Quadra OS enough to persevere or give up and try to flash another OD that is more mainstream?

Any suggestions would be welcome?

In other words is a LOT of work still needed to accomplish this?

73

Terry

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