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Taming a VFO - HT46


 
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The VFO in my newest HT46 has excessive drift. In standby mode it will drift about 1KHz in the first 15 minutes and then go another 600Hz in the following hour. The VFO drifts downward in frequency so it appears as though the capacitance in the tuned circuit needs more NEGATIVE temperature coefficient. It has a 10pfN750 and an 82pfN80 capacitor for compensation but they aren’t quite doing the job.

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Following some work by W7ZOI I have experimented with some different series combinations of N750 and NP0 capacitors in place of the 10pfN750. I have reduced the drift to about 10Hz/C but the series combination that produced that adds too much total capacitance to the circuit so it is not a solution. Experimental results and a few calculations would indicate I need a 10pfN1285 capacitor but of course that will be difficult to achieve.

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What bothers me about all this is that I have two other VFOs of this design - one in an SX146 receiver and the other in an old beat up and abused HT46. Both those VFOs have negligible drift. I have checked and re-checked the components in the offending VFO and I have compared them to what is in the well behaved HT46. Hopefully someone has experience with this or knows about a common cause for such behavior. 73 – Jerry – W0PWE

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The big offenders in the 46 VFO are C84 10pf N750, C85 82pf N80, C86 100pf NPO, C87 47pf NPO and C89 82pf NPO. These 5 capacitors are all 20 years past their useful life. I would replace all 5. You can start looking at Surplus Sales of Nebraska.

Once you get the VFO calmed down you may want to download a modernized alignment procedure at:

Good luck with project.

Walt Cates, WD0GOF
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of W0PWE via groups.io <j.b.hall@...>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2024 12:17 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [HallicraftersRadios] Taming a VFO - HT46
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The VFO in my newest HT46 has excessive drift. In standby mode it will drift about 1KHz in the first 15 minutes and then go another 600Hz in the following hour. The VFO drifts downward in frequency so it appears as though the capacitance in the tuned circuit needs more NEGATIVE temperature coefficient. It has a 10pfN750 and an 82pfN80 capacitor for compensation but they aren’t quite doing the job.

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Following some work by W7ZOI I have experimented with some different series combinations of N750 and NP0 capacitors in place of the 10pfN750. I have reduced the drift to about 10Hz/C but the series combination that produced that adds too much total capacitance to the circuit so it is not a solution. Experimental results and a few calculations would indicate I need a 10pfN1285 capacitor but of course that will be difficult to achieve.

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What bothers me about all this is that I have two other VFOs of this design - one in an SX146 receiver and the other in an old beat up and abused HT46. Both those VFOs have negligible drift. I have checked and re-checked the components in the offending VFO and I have compared them to what is in the well behaved HT46. Hopefully someone has experience with this or knows about a common cause for such behavior. 73 – Jerry – W0PWE

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Jerry,

I looked up some of my old repair tickets from the 90's. I found some other things you may try. Chassis corrosion and grounding were problems on several tickets.?

Remove the mounting screws of C83 one at a time, clean the chassis around the hole and give the hole and screw a shot of DeOxit, insure there is a star lock washer under each screw.

Remove the mounting nut on L24, clean the chassis, L24 mounting surface and the retaining nut. There should also be a lock washer between the nut and the chassis.

That is all I have on the drift problem.?



Walt Cates, WD0GOF
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A majority of acceptance is not proof of correctness.



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of W0PWE via groups.io <j.b.hall@...>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2024 12:17 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [HallicraftersRadios] Taming a VFO - HT46
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The VFO in my newest HT46 has excessive drift. In standby mode it will drift about 1KHz in the first 15 minutes and then go another 600Hz in the following hour. The VFO drifts downward in frequency so it appears as though the capacitance in the tuned circuit needs more NEGATIVE temperature coefficient. It has a 10pfN750 and an 82pfN80 capacitor for compensation but they aren’t quite doing the job.

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Following some work by W7ZOI I have experimented with some different series combinations of N750 and NP0 capacitors in place of the 10pfN750. I have reduced the drift to about 10Hz/C but the series combination that produced that adds too much total capacitance to the circuit so it is not a solution. Experimental results and a few calculations would indicate I need a 10pfN1285 capacitor but of course that will be difficult to achieve.

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What bothers me about all this is that I have two other VFOs of this design - one in an SX146 receiver and the other in an old beat up and abused HT46. Both those VFOs have negligible drift. I have checked and re-checked the components in the offending VFO and I have compared them to what is in the well behaved HT46. Hopefully someone has experience with this or knows about a common cause for such behavior. 73 – Jerry – W0PWE

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Thanks you Walt. I appreciate all your help. I will try to implement your suggestions tomorrow.?


 

It looks like the problem was one of those big offenders you mentioned Walt. Specifically C85 82pfN80. It measures 82pf but seems to have lost it's temperature compensation characteristics. Now the challenge is finding a replacement.?
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Surplus Sales of Nebraska seems to be the only supplier of tubular capacitors but they don't have much in that range. I considered trying a Class 1 disk ceramic but most of those are NP0 or N750. My junk box produced a 62pfN150 and I have been playing with a series and parallel NP0 to get in the ball park. That is pretty crude, not a permanent solution and I'm still not where I need to be with the drift problem. Back to googling "dogbone" "tubular ceramic" "temperature compensating capacitor" etc.?


 
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I have found that 82pf N80 difficult to find also. I have successfully used an 82pf N30 as a replacement.
I have a couple left. If you have no luck finding?an N80 shoot me an email at cateswa at msn dot com.




Walt Cates, WD0GOF
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A majority of acceptance is not proof of correctness.



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of W0PWE via groups.io <j.b.hall@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 9:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] Taming a VFO - HT46
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It looks like the problem was one of those big offenders you mentioned Walt. Specifically C85 82pfN80. It measures 82pf but seems to have lost it's temperature compensation characteristics. Now the challenge is finding a replacement.?
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Surplus Sales of Nebraska seems to be the only supplier of tubular capacitors but they don't have much in that range. I considered trying a Class 1 disk ceramic but most of those are NP0 or N750. My junk box produced a 62pfN150 and I have been playing with a series and parallel NP0 to get in the ball park. That is pretty crude, not a permanent solution and I'm still not where I need to be with the drift problem. Back to googling "dogbone" "tubular ceramic" "temperature compensating capacitor" etc.?


 
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Jerry,

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I found a 82pF, N080 capacitor in my parts “inventory”, it seems to be NOS, but it test at 92pF.

See attached.

If ever you may need it, just send me your mail address, in case that Canada Post strike ends soon enough…

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73, Jacques, VE2JFE in Montreal

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It looks like the problem was one of those big offenders you mentioned Walt. Specifically C85 82pfN80. It measures 82pf but seems to have lost it's temperature compensation characteristics. Now the challenge is finding a replacement.??

Surplus Sales of Nebraska seems to be the only supplier of tubular capacitors but they don't have much in that range. I considered trying a Class 1 disk ceramic but most of those are NP0 or N750. My junk box produced a 62pfN150 and I have been playing with a series and parallel NP0 to get in the ball park. That is pretty crude, not a permanent solution and I'm still not where I need to be with the drift problem. Back to googling "dogbone" "tubular ceramic" "temperature compensating capacitor" etc.?


 

Walt and Jacques - Thanks for your kind offers. It is nice to know I have options. For now the series capacitor combo that I have been tweaking is adequate. Drift is much better than before. So I am going to move on the the pulling or chirp problem. If I can get that solved I may come back and ask you guys for a capacitor.?
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For a transmitter that is so clean and pretty this little bugger sure has some challenging problems inside. 73 - Jerry