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HA-1 T.O. Keyer socket gnds


 

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I have seen center post to ground as high as 150 ohms. It only takes 3 to 5 ohms to start causing problems with speed and weight. It has the biggest effect on the timing capacitors.


Walt Cates, WD0GOF
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Floyd - K8AC via groups.io <floydsense@...>
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2025 2:41 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] HA-1 T.O. Keyer
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Very good, Walt.? Glad to see you point out the problem with the tube socket grounds.? Years ago my HA-1 became erratic - code elements missing or the wrong length.? It took me many days before I discovered a faulty ground at a tube socket - it looked perfect but must have had a high resistance.??
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73, Floyd - K8AC


 

Chassis grounds that use rivets is an ongoing problem.? Whenever there is a weird problem, like an alignment issue, I routinely solder the tube socket ground terminals and other ground tie points to the chassis as a first effort to resolve the problem.? This saves a lot of troubleshooting time and is good excuse to keep that old American Beauty 100 watt soldering iron in the toolbox.
Jim
Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy


On Friday, May 2, 2025 at 04:51:11 PM CDT, waltcates via groups.io <cateswa@...> wrote:


I have seen center post to ground as high as 150 ohms. It only takes 3 to 5 ohms to start causing problems with speed and weight. It has the biggest effect on the timing capacitors.


Walt Cates, WD0GOF
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A majority of acceptance is not proof of correctness.



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Floyd - K8AC via groups.io <floydsense@...>
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2025 2:41 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] HA-1 T.O. Keyer
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Very good, Walt.? Glad to see you point out the problem with the tube socket grounds.? Years ago my HA-1 became erratic - code elements missing or the wrong length.? It took me many days before I discovered a faulty ground at a tube socket - it looked perfect but must have had a high resistance.??
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73, Floyd - K8AC


 

Yes!? I have even wondered if soldering socket ground terminals to the chassis is enough to ensure good performance.? Solder is not the perfect conductor, and does not have the best strength or immunity to fracturing over time.? I have read several times that it is a "best practice" to wire every point directly to a common ground return on the chassis, but have never seen it done in practice, except maybe in some Collins equipment.

John

On Saturday, May 3, 2025 at 10:40:58 AM CDT, Jim Whartenby via groups.io <old_radio@...> wrote:


Chassis grounds that use rivets is an ongoing problem.? Whenever there is a weird problem, like an alignment issue, I routinely solder the tube socket ground terminals and other ground tie points to the chassis as a first effort to resolve the problem.? This saves a lot of troubleshooting time and is good excuse to keep that old American Beauty 100 watt soldering iron in the toolbox.
Jim
Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy


On Friday, May 2, 2025 at 04:51:11 PM CDT, waltcates via groups.io <cateswa@...> wrote:


I have seen center post to ground as high as 150 ohms. It only takes 3 to 5 ohms to start causing problems with speed and weight. It has the biggest effect on the timing capacitors.


Walt Cates, WD0GOF
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A majority of acceptance is not proof of correctness.



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Floyd - K8AC via groups.io <floydsense@...>
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2025 2:41 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] HA-1 T.O. Keyer
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Very good, Walt.? Glad to see you point out the problem with the tube socket grounds.? Years ago my HA-1 became erratic - code elements missing or the wrong length.? It took me many days before I discovered a faulty ground at a tube socket - it looked perfect but must have had a high resistance.??
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73, Floyd - K8AC


 

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On 5/4/25 2:31 AM, haywireman via groups.io wrote:
I have read several times that it is a "best practice" to wire every point directly to a common ground return on the chassis

Hey John,? That's a very common practice in audio gear, naturally, to avoid ground loops.

73
Don N9OO


 

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Don, John, ???does the “common ground return” mean any old connection to a “ground wire” scheme, or is it a specifically designed wiring scheme ?

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Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2025 8:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] HA-1 T.O. Keyer socket gnds

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On 5/4/25 2:31 AM, haywireman via groups.io wrote:

I have read several times that it is a "best practice" to wire every point directly to a common ground return on the chassis


Hey John,? That's a very common practice in audio gear, naturally, to avoid ground loops.


73
Don N9OO

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We sometimes forget that a chassis is often a high-current AC conductor, sometimes carrying several amps of tube heater current.? To Don’s comment, bonding to a single common chassis point often reduces or eliminates induced hum and buzz.?

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Someone mentioned using balanced heaters and a hum control balancing pot.? That’s excellent advice, but during production, manufacturers would typically wire the heater bus first, then overlay additional wiring like laced cable harnesses.? In many transceivers with dense wiring practices, it’s a real challenge to replace heater wiring with a twisted pair without disrupting components and existing wire runs, even if attempting an overlay.? I once tried to balance a Collins KWM-2A’s heather string but gave up: a point was reached where collateral damage started to occur owing to under-chassis packaging density.?

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On a positive note, I replaced the AF amps in my Drake R-4B and R-4C receivers.? The goal was to get hum/buzz down to zero with the AF control wide open.? With a screwdriver connected to the AF amp’s ground lead, I wiped across the chassis in search of the lowest hum/buzz level.? I found several points that met this criteria.? Once found, a hole was drilled in the chassis and a solder lug added for the ground connection. ?At these points, AC heater ground current is minimal, sometimes cancelling altogether.?

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Paul, W9AC

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Don Buska - The Radio Lab Works
Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2025 8:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] HA-1 T.O. Keyer socket gnds

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On 5/4/25 2:31 AM, haywireman via groups.io wrote:

I have read several times that it is a "best practice" to wire every point directly to a common ground return on the chassis


Hey John,? That's a very common practice in audio gear, naturally, to avoid ground loops.


73
Don N9OO


 

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On 5/4/25 12:34 PM, Paul Christensen via groups.io wrote:
On a positive note, I replaced the AF amps in my Drake R-4B and R-4C receivers.? The goal was to get hum/buzz down to zero with the AF control wide open.? With a screwdriver connected to the AF amp’s ground lead, I wiped across the chassis in search of the lowest hum/buzz level.? I found several points that met this criteria.? Once found, a hole was drilled in the chassis and a solder lug added for the ground connection. ?At these points, AC heater ground current is minimal, sometimes cancelling altogether.?

Thanks Paul.? That screw driver wipe technique is something I will need to remember.? I also do a fair amount of old stereo restoration and your technique will sure come in useful.

73
Don N9OO