Hello Everyone!??

My story is a long one, so pack a lunch!??

Let me start out by saying I have DNA tested and am on the following platforms:?

Ancestry - CynthiaDriscoll

23&Me - Cynthi Hall

MyHeritage - Cynthi Driscoll

FTDNA - Cynthia Hall (married: Driscoll)

GEDmatch: T753922 and my Paternal only kit is PT753922P1

I have a cousin who has (fully) yDNA tested through FTDNA and our Hall Haplogroup is: R-YP6368 (R-M269 - S424 - Z29552 - Little Scots Cluster, Otterburn, Northumberland, England). We descend from a Scottish Border Reiver Family.? We are in FTDNA Hall Project Group: 019a2
(See FTDNA Hall Project:??

Thanks to another cousin, we have a potential mtDNA Haplogroup for William's mother (through William's sister's descendants), which is: U4b1b1.

Now that I have laid that out, I'll preface this next bit of info by saying 90-95% of Trees found across all platforms in regard to William Hall are wrong.? This is due to several issues.

The first being attributed to a man named George von Kromer who purchased a cabin back in the 1930s and wrote a booklet about the cabin and family who (allegedly) owned it.? This is a man who had no ties to the Hall family by either blood or marriage.? His story, titled, "History of the Cabin-Fort", was published in booklet form in the late 30s. A slightly edited version is contained in the book, "Places Near the Mountains," by Helen R Prillaman.

This story, by Kromer, has not one ounce of truth. Nor does it give any citations or documents to confirm any of the information.? The man took great liberties with the diaries of George Washington and added narrative to bolster his story.

The Hall family that Kromer uses for the backstory is of a William Hall who was born c1701 and died in 1772. His will was filed, in what was then, Botetourt County.? When this William came to Virginia, the land he purchased was in the bounds of Augusta County on a place called Whistle Creek, which is very near present-day Lexington VA.? This area went through a few county changes.? From Orange County, to Augusta, for a short time to Botetourt, and finally to present-day Rockbridge Co VA.

William just happened to die when his land was contained in the bounds of Botetourt Co VA and this is where his Last Will was filed.? His wife was Jean, and they had the following children: William Hall (c1729), Andrew Hall (c1731), Isabel Hall (c1735), Agnes Hall (c1737), [Captain] James Hall (c1739), John Hall (bef 1740), and Nathaniel Hall (bef 1740).

Kromer implied in his booklet that my William Hall (c1794-1849) descended from the above William Hall (c1701-1772) but he never explained how. Besides the addition of words to Washington's diaries, Kromer also inserted a few words into William's (c1701-1772) last Will & Testament to improve his farce.

Thanks to the yDNA testing we have been able to prove what I've known for the last 35 years that we are not related to the William (& Jean) Hall family of what eventually became Rockbridge.? Their Haplogroup is: I-M223 and they are listed in FTDNA Hall Project in Family Group 023a.? As I am sure you realize, the haplogroups of the 2 families are not compatible and therefore these 2 families are not related to each other.

As fortunate as we are to have our Haplogroup, it has not helped us to advance our lineage - as my cousins closest yDNA match has a genetic distance of 6.

The only immediate family of William's that we know of is his sister, Keziah. She was married in Catawba (then in Montgomery Co VA, now Roanoke Co VA) in 1817 to Samuel Ballard Cummins. Samuel & Keziah immediately went westward landing in Sullivan Co IN.? Several of us have DNA connections to some of the descendants of Keziah.

It would appear that William & his sister, Keziah, were raised by a man named William Ledgerwood.?

William Ledgerwood was a son of John Ledgerwood (mother unknown), who was born between 1764-1765 (per census records).? William didn't marry until 1813. John Ledgerwood, his father, died in late 1805 or very early 1806 and William seems to have become the Head of the Family.

Using the 1810 census, I have filled in names of who appears to be in the household - using later census records, Wills, and other documents pertinent to the family:

Name: Wm Ledgerwood??

Home in 1810: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia

White Males - 10 - 15: 1 [William HALL]

White Males - 26 - 44 : 1 [William Ledgerwood]

White Females - 10 - 15: 2 [Nancy (d/o unmarried sister Margaret) & Keziah HALL]

White Females - 26 - 44: 3 [Rebecca, Margaret (<-sisters) & Isabella <- niece, d/o unmarried sister Mary]

White Females - 45 & over : 1 [Mary Ledgerwood <-sister]

Household Members Under 16: 3

Household Members Over 25: 5

Household Members: 8

Source Citation:? Year: 1810; Census Place: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia; Roll: 70; Page: 647; Image: 96; FHL Film: 0181430

Source Info:? 1810 US Federal Census. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.

Original data: 3rd Census of the US 1810. Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, DC.

Wm Ledgerwood & Wm Hall signed consent for Keziah's 1817 marriage to Cummins.?

Why was an unmarried Wm Ledgerwood raising these 2 Hall children?? We have no idea, only speculation that: 1) their parents were near neighbors (sometime after 1800 but before 1810) and died; 2) the Hall children were left in Ledgerwood's care until the family could settle elsewhere - either dying elsewhere or (for some other reason) never returning for, or sending for, William & Keziah.

Another theory is that in the travels of John Ledgerwood & William Ledgerwood, to Tennessee, to visit other children/siblings of John & Wm, they somehow "acquired" these Hall children. John's son, David, lived in Sevier County TN. Wm Ledgerwood would marry in 1813 in Greene Co TN to Sarah "Sally" Kindle - and would bring her back to Catawba (then Montgomery Co VA) to settle and begin their family.

Another possibility is that William & Keziah were somehow related to the Ledgerwood's

In 1820, William Hall married Wm Ledgerwood's niece, Nancy Ledgerwood. Nancy was the daughter of the unmarried Margaret Ledgerwood and a sister of William Ledgerwood.??

Some online trees use conjecture following Kromer's story.? Some trees? are just simply made up names to fill in the gaps - with no sources or documentation.?

Some folks have perverted William Hall's (c1794-1849) Last Will to give him an initial "J" for denoting his first name - and some have further taken that "J" to be "James".? They have done this by the first line of his Will - as follows: "I William Hall, senr."? They think the first letter "I" is a "J".

Never was William Hall identified in any documents as having a first initial or name other than William.? Also, he is never identified with a middle initial/name.

Some trees show William's parents as Allen Hall & Matilda Ledgerwood. James Hall was William & Nancy Ledgerwood Hall's son, and he married Matilda McKenry.??

Besides making atDNA connections to Hall cousins, in using ThruLines we are showing matches to descendants of Keziah's through the "Unknown Father & Mother" of Wm & Keziah.? What my cousins and I have noticed is that there are no other DNA connections showing to any other siblings.

Also, the DNA matches that we have been able to link to (with solid confirmation) seemingly do not go beyond Wm Hall.? This leads us to a potential theory that William (c1794-1849) Hall's parents were possibly immigrants who didn't survive long after arriving in this country and that possibly the parents and any other siblings (if there were any) of Wm & Keziah died also.

Of course, there were other Hall families in the area, and I have researched them to the best of my ability (over the last 30-35 years) but thanks to yDNA (and traditional genealogy) most have been ruled out as being related. There are still a few Hall families that haven't been confirmed with yDNA - so there is still always hope - but getting others to test isn't easy. (Too many people are easily duped by ignorant conspiracy theories).

Through some (shared) DNA matches, I believe it is possible that William Hall's mother (or grandmother) could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.? On the other hand, with William's wife's unknown paternity, her father could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman. Also, there is the potential of not knowing John Ledgerwood's wife - she may have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.

If anyone here is able (and interested) in helping to solve my Hall family mystery, I'd gladly accept your assistance!

Grace Upshaw - I think you for the fine job of narrowing down your Hall's and wish everyone were so diligent.

I have a paper trail of my Hall's from Ireland to Philadelphia, to Dolphin Co, PA, to Statesville, NC by 1750.? All but 1 of their 10 children were born in PA.? Then my Robert, a Presbyterian minister (from PA Presbyterian His Soc) move to Pendleton, SC.? Had to quit the ministry due to ill health.? He visited Greenville, TN to improve his health, but died there.? He left a will naming his 2 children were already born, but mentions an expected child.? The family then moves to Laurens Co, SC, then to Fayette Co, GA, but they changed professions from Presbyterain?ministers to millers which continues to almost 1940.

Yet, I find fewl DNA matches.? ?The original settlers in PA were James Hall and Prudence Roddy.

On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 3:32?PM Grace Upshaw <graceu6225@...> wrote:

Hello! I am getting back, in a very small way , into my genealogy files and have?looked?at the DNA chart where I see we are not in the same family group, my family being?#11. My Benjamin is still a lonesome single man. I would love to find his mother and others related to him. In the future?I will? communicate with you?if I find the lost family or find any clues for your mission...every little bit helps! Thanks for the info I gleaned from your email. Grace Hall Upshaw

omy?family history to a certain

On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 2:11?AM i2luvlucy@... via <i2luvlucy=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Everyone!??

My story is a long one, so pack a lunch!??

Let me start out by saying I have DNA tested and am on the following platforms:?

Ancestry - CynthiaDriscoll

23&Me - Cynthi Hall

MyHeritage - Cynthi Driscoll

FTDNA - Cynthia Hall (married: Driscoll)

GEDmatch: T753922 and my Paternal only kit is PT753922P1

I have a cousin who has (fully) yDNA tested through FTDNA and our Hall Haplogroup is: R-YP6368 (R-M269 - S424 - Z29552 - Little Scots Cluster, Otterburn, Northumberland, England). We descend from a Scottish Border Reiver Family.? We are in FTDNA Hall Project Group: 019a2
(See FTDNA Hall Project:??

Thanks to another cousin, we have a potential mtDNA Haplogroup for William's mother (through William's sister's descendants), which is: U4b1b1.

Now that I have laid that out, I'll preface this next bit of info by saying 90-95% of Trees found across all platforms in regard to William Hall are wrong.? This is due to several issues.

The first being attributed to a man named George von Kromer who purchased a cabin back in the 1930s and wrote a booklet about the cabin and family who (allegedly) owned it.? This is a man who had no ties to the Hall family by either blood or marriage.? His story, titled, "History of the Cabin-Fort", was published in booklet form in the late 30s. A slightly edited version is contained in the book, "Places Near the Mountains," by Helen R Prillaman.

This story, by Kromer, has not one ounce of truth. Nor does it give any citations or documents to confirm any of the information.? The man took great liberties with the diaries of George Washington and added narrative to bolster his story.

The Hall family that Kromer uses for the backstory is of a William Hall who was born c1701 and died in 1772. His will was filed, in what was then, Botetourt County.? When this William came to Virginia, the land he purchased was in the bounds of Augusta County on a place called Whistle Creek, which is very near present-day Lexington VA.? This area went through a few county changes.? From Orange County, to Augusta, for a short time to Botetourt, and finally to present-day Rockbridge Co VA.

William just happened to die when his land was contained in the bounds of Botetourt Co VA and this is where his Last Will was filed.? His wife was Jean, and they had the following children: William Hall (c1729), Andrew Hall (c1731), Isabel Hall (c1735), Agnes Hall (c1737), [Captain] James Hall (c1739), John Hall (bef 1740), and Nathaniel Hall (bef 1740).

Kromer implied in his booklet that my William Hall (c1794-1849) descended from the above William Hall (c1701-1772) but he never explained how. Besides the addition of words to Washington's diaries, Kromer also inserted a few words into William's (c1701-1772) last Will & Testament to improve his farce.

Thanks to the yDNA testing we have been able to prove what I've known for the last 35 years that we are not related to the William (& Jean) Hall family of what eventually became Rockbridge.? Their Haplogroup is: I-M223 and they are listed in FTDNA Hall Project in Family Group 023a.? As I am sure you realize, the haplogroups of the 2 families are not compatible and therefore these 2 families are not related to each other.

As fortunate as we are to have our Haplogroup, it has not helped us to advance our lineage - as my cousins closest yDNA match has a genetic distance of 6.

The only immediate family of William's that we know of is his sister, Keziah. She was married in Catawba (then in Montgomery Co VA, now Roanoke Co VA) in 1817 to Samuel Ballard Cummins. Samuel & Keziah immediately went westward landing in Sullivan Co IN.? Several of us have DNA connections to some of the descendants of Keziah.

It would appear that William & his sister, Keziah, were raised by a man named William Ledgerwood.?

William Ledgerwood was a son of John Ledgerwood (mother unknown), who was born between 1764-1765 (per census records).? William didn't marry until 1813. John Ledgerwood, his father, died in late 1805 or very early 1806 and William seems to have become the Head of the Family.

Using the 1810 census, I have filled in names of who appears to be in the household - using later census records, Wills, and other documents pertinent to the family:

Name: Wm Ledgerwood??

Home in 1810: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia

White Males - 10 - 15: 1 [William HALL]

White Males - 26 - 44 : 1 [William Ledgerwood]

White Females - 10 - 15: 2 [Nancy (d/o unmarried sister Margaret) & Keziah HALL]

White Females - 26 - 44: 3 [Rebecca, Margaret (<-sisters) & Isabella <- niece, d/o unmarried sister Mary]

White Females - 45 & over : 1 [Mary Ledgerwood <-sister]

Household Members Under 16: 3

Household Members Over 25: 5

Household Members: 8

Source Citation:? Year: 1810; Census Place: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia; Roll: 70; Page: 647; Image: 96; FHL Film: 0181430

Source Info:? 1810 US Federal Census. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.

Original data: 3rd Census of the US 1810. Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, DC.

Wm Ledgerwood & Wm Hall signed consent for Keziah's 1817 marriage to Cummins.?

Why was an unmarried Wm Ledgerwood raising these 2 Hall children?? We have no idea, only speculation that: 1) their parents were near neighbors (sometime after 1800 but before 1810) and died; 2) the Hall children were left in Ledgerwood's care until the family could settle elsewhere - either dying elsewhere or (for some other reason) never returning for, or sending for, William & Keziah.

Another theory is that in the travels of John Ledgerwood & William Ledgerwood, to Tennessee, to visit other children/siblings of John & Wm, they somehow "acquired" these Hall children. John's son, David, lived in Sevier County TN. Wm Ledgerwood would marry in 1813 in Greene Co TN to Sarah "Sally" Kindle - and would bring her back to Catawba (then Montgomery Co VA) to settle and begin their family.

Another possibility is that William & Keziah were somehow related to the Ledgerwood's

In 1820, William Hall married Wm Ledgerwood's niece, Nancy Ledgerwood. Nancy was the daughter of the unmarried Margaret Ledgerwood and a sister of William Ledgerwood.??

Some online trees use conjecture following Kromer's story.? Some trees? are just simply made up names to fill in the gaps - with no sources or documentation.?

Some folks have perverted William Hall's (c1794-1849) Last Will to give him an initial "J" for denoting his first name - and some have further taken that "J" to be "James".? They have done this by the first line of his Will - as follows: "I William Hall, senr."? They think the first letter "I" is a "J".

Never was William Hall identified in any documents as having a first initial or name other than William.? Also, he is never identified with a middle initial/name.

Some trees show William's parents as Allen Hall & Matilda Ledgerwood. James Hall was William & Nancy Ledgerwood Hall's son, and he married Matilda McKenry.??

Besides making atDNA connections to Hall cousins, in using ThruLines we are showing matches to descendants of Keziah's through the "Unknown Father & Mother" of Wm & Keziah.? What my cousins and I have noticed is that there are no other DNA connections showing to any other siblings.

Also, the DNA matches that we have been able to link to (with solid confirmation) seemingly do not go beyond Wm Hall.? This leads us to a potential theory that William (c1794-1849) Hall's parents were possibly immigrants who didn't survive long after arriving in this country and that possibly the parents and any other siblings (if there were any) of Wm & Keziah died also.

Of course, there were other Hall families in the area, and I have researched them to the best of my ability (over the last 30-35 years) but thanks to yDNA (and traditional genealogy) most have been ruled out as being related. There are still a few Hall families that haven't been confirmed with yDNA - so there is still always hope - but getting others to test isn't easy. (Too many people are easily duped by ignorant conspiracy theories).

Through some (shared) DNA matches, I believe it is possible that William Hall's mother (or grandmother) could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.? On the other hand, with William's wife's unknown paternity, her father could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman. Also, there is the potential of not knowing John Ledgerwood's wife - she may have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.

If anyone here is able (and interested) in helping to solve my Hall family mystery, I'd gladly accept your assistance!

Hello! I am getting back, in a very small way , into my genealogy files and have?looked?at the DNA chart where I see we are not in the same family group, my family being?#11. My Benjamin is still a lonesome single man. I would love to find his mother and others related to him. In the future?I will? communicate with you?if I find the lost family or find any clues for your mission...every little bit helps! Thanks for the info I gleaned from your email. Grace Hall Upshaw

omy?family history to a certain

On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 2:11?AM i2luvlucy@... via <i2luvlucy=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Everyone!??

My story is a long one, so pack a lunch!??

Let me start out by saying I have DNA tested and am on the following platforms:?

Ancestry - CynthiaDriscoll

23&Me - Cynthi Hall

MyHeritage - Cynthi Driscoll

FTDNA - Cynthia Hall (married: Driscoll)

GEDmatch: T753922 and my Paternal only kit is PT753922P1

I have a cousin who has (fully) yDNA tested through FTDNA and our Hall Haplogroup is: R-YP6368 (R-M269 - S424 - Z29552 - Little Scots Cluster, Otterburn, Northumberland, England). We descend from a Scottish Border Reiver Family.? We are in FTDNA Hall Project Group: 019a2
(See FTDNA Hall Project:??

Thanks to another cousin, we have a potential mtDNA Haplogroup for William's mother (through William's sister's descendants), which is: U4b1b1.

Now that I have laid that out, I'll preface this next bit of info by saying 90-95% of Trees found across all platforms in regard to William Hall are wrong.? This is due to several issues.

The first being attributed to a man named George von Kromer who purchased a cabin back in the 1930s and wrote a booklet about the cabin and family who (allegedly) owned it.? This is a man who had no ties to the Hall family by either blood or marriage.? His story, titled, "History of the Cabin-Fort", was published in booklet form in the late 30s. A slightly edited version is contained in the book, "Places Near the Mountains," by Helen R Prillaman.

This story, by Kromer, has not one ounce of truth. Nor does it give any citations or documents to confirm any of the information.? The man took great liberties with the diaries of George Washington and added narrative to bolster his story.

The Hall family that Kromer uses for the backstory is of a William Hall who was born c1701 and died in 1772. His will was filed, in what was then, Botetourt County.? When this William came to Virginia, the land he purchased was in the bounds of Augusta County on a place called Whistle Creek, which is very near present-day Lexington VA.? This area went through a few county changes.? From Orange County, to Augusta, for a short time to Botetourt, and finally to present-day Rockbridge Co VA.

William just happened to die when his land was contained in the bounds of Botetourt Co VA and this is where his Last Will was filed.? His wife was Jean, and they had the following children: William Hall (c1729), Andrew Hall (c1731), Isabel Hall (c1735), Agnes Hall (c1737), [Captain] James Hall (c1739), John Hall (bef 1740), and Nathaniel Hall (bef 1740).

Kromer implied in his booklet that my William Hall (c1794-1849) descended from the above William Hall (c1701-1772) but he never explained how. Besides the addition of words to Washington's diaries, Kromer also inserted a few words into William's (c1701-1772) last Will & Testament to improve his farce.

Thanks to the yDNA testing we have been able to prove what I've known for the last 35 years that we are not related to the William (& Jean) Hall family of what eventually became Rockbridge.? Their Haplogroup is: I-M223 and they are listed in FTDNA Hall Project in Family Group 023a.? As I am sure you realize, the haplogroups of the 2 families are not compatible and therefore these 2 families are not related to each other.

As fortunate as we are to have our Haplogroup, it has not helped us to advance our lineage - as my cousins closest yDNA match has a genetic distance of 6.

The only immediate family of William's that we know of is his sister, Keziah. She was married in Catawba (then in Montgomery Co VA, now Roanoke Co VA) in 1817 to Samuel Ballard Cummins. Samuel & Keziah immediately went westward landing in Sullivan Co IN.? Several of us have DNA connections to some of the descendants of Keziah.

It would appear that William & his sister, Keziah, were raised by a man named William Ledgerwood.?

William Ledgerwood was a son of John Ledgerwood (mother unknown), who was born between 1764-1765 (per census records).? William didn't marry until 1813. John Ledgerwood, his father, died in late 1805 or very early 1806 and William seems to have become the Head of the Family.

Using the 1810 census, I have filled in names of who appears to be in the household - using later census records, Wills, and other documents pertinent to the family:

Name: Wm Ledgerwood??

Home in 1810: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia

White Males - 10 - 15: 1 [William HALL]

White Males - 26 - 44 : 1 [William Ledgerwood]

White Females - 10 - 15: 2 [Nancy (d/o unmarried sister Margaret) & Keziah HALL]

White Females - 26 - 44: 3 [Rebecca, Margaret (<-sisters) & Isabella <- niece, d/o unmarried sister Mary]

White Females - 45 & over : 1 [Mary Ledgerwood <-sister]

Household Members Under 16: 3

Household Members Over 25: 5

Household Members: 8

Source Citation:? Year: 1810; Census Place: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia; Roll: 70; Page: 647; Image: 96; FHL Film: 0181430

Source Info:? 1810 US Federal Census. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.

Original data: 3rd Census of the US 1810. Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, DC.

Wm Ledgerwood & Wm Hall signed consent for Keziah's 1817 marriage to Cummins.?

Why was an unmarried Wm Ledgerwood raising these 2 Hall children?? We have no idea, only speculation that: 1) their parents were near neighbors (sometime after 1800 but before 1810) and died; 2) the Hall children were left in Ledgerwood's care until the family could settle elsewhere - either dying elsewhere or (for some other reason) never returning for, or sending for, William & Keziah.

Another theory is that in the travels of John Ledgerwood & William Ledgerwood, to Tennessee, to visit other children/siblings of John & Wm, they somehow "acquired" these Hall children. John's son, David, lived in Sevier County TN. Wm Ledgerwood would marry in 1813 in Greene Co TN to Sarah "Sally" Kindle - and would bring her back to Catawba (then Montgomery Co VA) to settle and begin their family.

Another possibility is that William & Keziah were somehow related to the Ledgerwood's

In 1820, William Hall married Wm Ledgerwood's niece, Nancy Ledgerwood. Nancy was the daughter of the unmarried Margaret Ledgerwood and a sister of William Ledgerwood.??

Some online trees use conjecture following Kromer's story.? Some trees? are just simply made up names to fill in the gaps - with no sources or documentation.?

Some folks have perverted William Hall's (c1794-1849) Last Will to give him an initial "J" for denoting his first name - and some have further taken that "J" to be "James".? They have done this by the first line of his Will - as follows: "I William Hall, senr."? They think the first letter "I" is a "J".

Never was William Hall identified in any documents as having a first initial or name other than William.? Also, he is never identified with a middle initial/name.

Some trees show William's parents as Allen Hall & Matilda Ledgerwood. James Hall was William & Nancy Ledgerwood Hall's son, and he married Matilda McKenry.??

Besides making atDNA connections to Hall cousins, in using ThruLines we are showing matches to descendants of Keziah's through the "Unknown Father & Mother" of Wm & Keziah.? What my cousins and I have noticed is that there are no other DNA connections showing to any other siblings.

Also, the DNA matches that we have been able to link to (with solid confirmation) seemingly do not go beyond Wm Hall.? This leads us to a potential theory that William (c1794-1849) Hall's parents were possibly immigrants who didn't survive long after arriving in this country and that possibly the parents and any other siblings (if there were any) of Wm & Keziah died also.

Of course, there were other Hall families in the area, and I have researched them to the best of my ability (over the last 30-35 years) but thanks to yDNA (and traditional genealogy) most have been ruled out as being related. There are still a few Hall families that haven't been confirmed with yDNA - so there is still always hope - but getting others to test isn't easy. (Too many people are easily duped by ignorant conspiracy theories).

Through some (shared) DNA matches, I believe it is possible that William Hall's mother (or grandmother) could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.? On the other hand, with William's wife's unknown paternity, her father could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman. Also, there is the potential of not knowing John Ledgerwood's wife - she may have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.

If anyone here is able (and interested) in helping to solve my Hall family mystery, I'd gladly accept your assistance!

Hello Everyone!??

My story is a long one, so pack a lunch!??

Let me start out by saying I have DNA tested and am on the following platforms:?

Ancestry - CynthiaDriscoll

23&Me - Cynthi Hall

MyHeritage - Cynthi Driscoll

FTDNA - Cynthia Hall (married: Driscoll)

GEDmatch: T753922 and my Paternal only kit is PT753922P1

I have a cousin who has (fully) yDNA tested through FTDNA and our Hall Haplogroup is: R-YP6368 (R-M269 - S424 - Z29552 - Little Scots Cluster, Otterburn, Northumberland, England). We descend from a Scottish Border Reiver Family.? We are in FTDNA Hall Project Group: 019a2
(See FTDNA Hall Project:??

Thanks to another cousin, we have a potential mtDNA Haplogroup for William's mother (through William's sister's descendants), which is: U4b1b1.

Now that I have laid that out, I'll preface this next bit of info by saying 90-95% of Trees found across all platforms in regard to William Hall are wrong.? This is due to several issues.

The first being attributed to a man named George von Kromer who purchased a cabin back in the 1930s and wrote a booklet about the cabin and family who (allegedly) owned it.? This is a man who had no ties to the Hall family by either blood or marriage.? His story, titled, "History of the Cabin-Fort", was published in booklet form in the late 30s. A slightly edited version is contained in the book, "Places Near the Mountains," by Helen R Prillaman.

This story, by Kromer, has not one ounce of truth. Nor does it give any citations or documents to confirm any of the information.? The man took great liberties with the diaries of George Washington and added narrative to bolster his story.

The Hall family that Kromer uses for the backstory is of a William Hall who was born c1701 and died in 1772. His will was filed, in what was then, Botetourt County.? When this William came to Virginia, the land he purchased was in the bounds of Augusta County on a place called Whistle Creek, which is very near present-day Lexington VA.? This area went through a few county changes.? From Orange County, to Augusta, for a short time to Botetourt, and finally to present-day Rockbridge Co VA.

William just happened to die when his land was contained in the bounds of Botetourt Co VA and this is where his Last Will was filed.? His wife was Jean, and they had the following children: William Hall (c1729), Andrew Hall (c1731), Isabel Hall (c1735), Agnes Hall (c1737), [Captain] James Hall (c1739), John Hall (bef 1740), and Nathaniel Hall (bef 1740).

Kromer implied in his booklet that my William Hall (c1794-1849) descended from the above William Hall (c1701-1772) but he never explained how. Besides the addition of words to Washington's diaries, Kromer also inserted a few words into William's (c1701-1772) last Will & Testament to improve his farce.

Thanks to the yDNA testing we have been able to prove what I've known for the last 35 years that we are not related to the William (& Jean) Hall family of what eventually became Rockbridge.? Their Haplogroup is: I-M223 and they are listed in FTDNA Hall Project in Family Group 023a.? As I am sure you realize, the haplogroups of the 2 families are not compatible and therefore these 2 families are not related to each other.

As fortunate as we are to have our Haplogroup, it has not helped us to advance our lineage - as my cousins closest yDNA match has a genetic distance of 6.

The only immediate family of William's that we know of is his sister, Keziah. She was married in Catawba (then in Montgomery Co VA, now Roanoke Co VA) in 1817 to Samuel Ballard Cummins. Samuel & Keziah immediately went westward landing in Sullivan Co IN.? Several of us have DNA connections to some of the descendants of Keziah.

It would appear that William & his sister, Keziah, were raised by a man named William Ledgerwood.?

William Ledgerwood was a son of John Ledgerwood (mother unknown), who was born between 1764-1765 (per census records).? William didn't marry until 1813. John Ledgerwood, his father, died in late 1805 or very early 1806 and William seems to have become the Head of the Family.

Using the 1810 census, I have filled in names of who appears to be in the household - using later census records, Wills, and other documents pertinent to the family:

Name: Wm Ledgerwood??

Home in 1810: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia

White Males - 10 - 15: 1 [William HALL]

White Males - 26 - 44 : 1 [William Ledgerwood]

White Females - 10 - 15: 2 [Nancy (d/o unmarried sister Margaret) & Keziah HALL]

White Females - 26 - 44: 3 [Rebecca, Margaret (<-sisters) & Isabella <- niece, d/o unmarried sister Mary]

White Females - 45 & over : 1 [Mary Ledgerwood <-sister]

Household Members Under 16: 3

Household Members Over 25: 5

Household Members: 8

Source Citation:? Year: 1810; Census Place: Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia; Roll: 70; Page: 647; Image: 96; FHL Film: 0181430

Source Info:? 1810 US Federal Census. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.

Original data: 3rd Census of the US 1810. Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, DC.

Wm Ledgerwood & Wm Hall signed consent for Keziah's 1817 marriage to Cummins.?

Why was an unmarried Wm Ledgerwood raising these 2 Hall children?? We have no idea, only speculation that: 1) their parents were near neighbors (sometime after 1800 but before 1810) and died; 2) the Hall children were left in Ledgerwood's care until the family could settle elsewhere - either dying elsewhere or (for some other reason) never returning for, or sending for, William & Keziah.

Another theory is that in the travels of John Ledgerwood & William Ledgerwood, to Tennessee, to visit other children/siblings of John & Wm, they somehow "acquired" these Hall children. John's son, David, lived in Sevier County TN. Wm Ledgerwood would marry in 1813 in Greene Co TN to Sarah "Sally" Kindle - and would bring her back to Catawba (then Montgomery Co VA) to settle and begin their family.

Another possibility is that William & Keziah were somehow related to the Ledgerwood's

In 1820, William Hall married Wm Ledgerwood's niece, Nancy Ledgerwood. Nancy was the daughter of the unmarried Margaret Ledgerwood and a sister of William Ledgerwood.??

Some online trees use conjecture following Kromer's story.? Some trees? are just simply made up names to fill in the gaps - with no sources or documentation.?

Some folks have perverted William Hall's (c1794-1849) Last Will to give him an initial "J" for denoting his first name - and some have further taken that "J" to be "James".? They have done this by the first line of his Will - as follows: "I William Hall, senr."? They think the first letter "I" is a "J".

Never was William Hall identified in any documents as having a first initial or name other than William.? Also, he is never identified with a middle initial/name.

Some trees show William's parents as Allen Hall & Matilda Ledgerwood. James Hall was William & Nancy Ledgerwood Hall's son, and he married Matilda McKenry.??

Besides making atDNA connections to Hall cousins, in using ThruLines we are showing matches to descendants of Keziah's through the "Unknown Father & Mother" of Wm & Keziah.? What my cousins and I have noticed is that there are no other DNA connections showing to any other siblings.

Also, the DNA matches that we have been able to link to (with solid confirmation) seemingly do not go beyond Wm Hall.? This leads us to a potential theory that William (c1794-1849) Hall's parents were possibly immigrants who didn't survive long after arriving in this country and that possibly the parents and any other siblings (if there were any) of Wm & Keziah died also.

Of course, there were other Hall families in the area, and I have researched them to the best of my ability (over the last 30-35 years) but thanks to yDNA (and traditional genealogy) most have been ruled out as being related. There are still a few Hall families that haven't been confirmed with yDNA - so there is still always hope - but getting others to test isn't easy. (Too many people are easily duped by ignorant conspiracy theories).

Through some (shared) DNA matches, I believe it is possible that William Hall's mother (or grandmother) could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.? On the other hand, with William's wife's unknown paternity, her father could have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman. Also, there is the potential of not knowing John Ledgerwood's wife - she may have been a Wright, Elmore, or Huffman.

If anyone here is able (and interested) in helping to solve my Hall family mystery, I'd gladly accept your assistance!

Hello, Extended Hall Family!

Would any of you be on GedMatch?? My family tree has at least two Hall lines. One is Hudson River/Oblong/Southeast, and the other is southerly.?

Thank you,

Janet Hall Schempf
Southeast Alaska, USA

Hello, Extended Hall Family!

Would any of you be on GedMatch?? My family tree has at least two Hall lines. One is Hudson River/Oblong/Southeast, and the other is southerly.?

Thank you,

Janet Hall Schempf
Southeast Alaska, USA

My great-great-grandfather was James Hall who was born about 1800 in North Carolina. He was in Grant County, Indiana, as of 1831 when her married Rachel Moorman. The 1850 census of Grant County, IN, is the only indication of his birthplace, although his children who were alive in 1880 claim that their father was born in North Carolina. James died about 1855. His children were named in a guardianship record in Grant County. It agrees with the names of his household members on the 1850 census.?

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I don't know for certain who James's parents were although I strongly suspect that they were William Hall and Mary Hiatt who were married in Guilford County, North Carolina, in 1785. Unfortunately, no probate record appears to exist for the settlement of William's estate. Tax records and land records show that he owned land in Stokes County, NC.?

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My DNA matches indicate a relationship to descendants of individuals who I believe were William's children but I have no firm evidence.

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Lorraine Hall Keith

In a message dated 9/23/2023 9:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, touchingheartts@... writes:

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I started?this group after Ancestry shut down the Rootsweb lists. I am not sure but I think we must have talked at some point because you were in this group.

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Thanks,

Charlotte Miller

On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 11:53?AM Melvin George via <mrgeorge=[email protected]> wrote:

Refresh my memory.? Have we communicated before?? I am a Hall descendent.

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On Sep 22, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Charlotte Miller via <charlotteannemlr=[email protected]> wrote:

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I am sorry that I have not been working on genealogy for so long. I am going to start working on it more now.?

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Thank you so much for staying in the group!

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Please tell us who you are researching and a little bit about yourself!

Love,

Charlotte Miller

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Refresh my memory.? Have we communicated before?? I am a Hall descendent.

On Sep 22, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Charlotte Miller via <charlotteannemlr=[email protected]> wrote:

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Hello everyone,

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I am sorry that I have not been working on genealogy for so long. I am going to start working on it more now.?

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Thank you so much for staying in the group!

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Please tell us who you are researching and a little bit about yourself!

Love,

Charlotte Miller

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Ok, thank you Judy.

Love,

Charlotte

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In a message dated 9/23/2023 3:08:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, judyghall@... writes:

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Sorry , trying to send on phone will try the computer.

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On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, 1:05 PM Judy Hall via <judyghall=[email protected]> wrote:

On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, 9:53 AM Judy Hall via <judyghall=[email protected]> wrote:

James David Hall

On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, 7:34 PM Judy Hall <judyghall@...> wrote:

Jes David Hall 1802,3, Ohio.

Married to Elizabeth Betsy Spencer born 1810 ,Virginia,? married 1828 Londonderry, Ohio.

He died, Fairplay, Missouri 186?.

4 sons, 2 daughters.

All born in Londonderry. OHIO.

ONE DAUGHTER, Elizabeth did not move to Missouri, one son, David .not found in MO. Either.

Judy Hall.

On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, 1:31 PM Charlotte Miller via <charlotteannemlr=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello everyone,

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I am sorry that I have not been working on genealogy for so long. I am going to start working on it more now.?

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Thank you so much for staying in the group!

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Please tell us who you are researching and a little bit about yourself!

Love,

Charlotte Miller

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On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, 9:53 AM Judy Hall via <judyghall=[email protected]> wrote:

James David Hall

On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, 7:34 PM Judy Hall <judyghall@...> wrote:

Jes David Hall 1802,3, Ohio.

Married to Elizabeth Betsy Spencer born 1810 ,Virginia,? married 1828 Londonderry, Ohio.

He died, Fairplay, Missouri 186?.

4 sons, 2 daughters.

All born in Londonderry. OHIO.

ONE DAUGHTER, Elizabeth did not move to Missouri, one son, David .not found in MO. Either.

Judy Hall.

On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, 1:31 PM Charlotte Miller via <charlotteannemlr=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello everyone,

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I am sorry that I have not been working on genealogy for so long. I am going to start working on it more now.?

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Thank you so much for staying in the group!

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Please tell us who you are researching and a little bit about yourself!

Love,

Charlotte Miller

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Jes David Hall 1802,3, Ohio.

Married to Elizabeth Betsy Spencer born 1810 ,Virginia,? married 1828 Londonderry, Ohio.

He died, Fairplay, Missouri 186?.

4 sons, 2 daughters.

All born in Londonderry. OHIO.

ONE DAUGHTER, Elizabeth did not move to Missouri, one son, David .not found in MO. Either.

Judy Hall.

On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, 1:31 PM Charlotte Miller via <charlotteannemlr=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello everyone,

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I am sorry that I have not been working on genealogy for so long. I am going to start working on it more now.?

?

Thank you so much for staying in the group!

?

Please tell us who you are researching and a little bit about yourself!

Love,

Charlotte Miller

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Hello everyone,

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I am sorry that I have not been working on genealogy for so long. I am going to start working on it more now.?

?

Thank you so much for staying in the group!

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Please tell us who you are researching and a little bit about yourself!

Love,

Charlotte Miller

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