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Re: 8921A PCBs required

 
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Thanks Robert,

Just give me a shout when you get to it, If you do not find it, say in a month or so, please let me know .

I have the same trouble ... life time of "Accretions".

73s? Bill M.

On 26/07/2023 6:27 pm, Robert G8RPI via groups.io wrote:

No, nothing from Rick

I checked my workshop stash and I don't have those modules. I'l have to go to the storage unit and check there (I seem to be missing a box of modules, it's not where I thought it was). Apart from the distance it's been wet and windy recently and I don't like opening the unit in those conditions because once even a bit of damp gets in it's hard to dry it out again.
I'll look next time I'm there.

Robert.


Re: 8921A PCBs required

 

No, nothing from Rick

I checked my workshop stash and I don't have those modules. I'l have to go to the storage unit and check there (I seem to be missing a box of modules, it's not where I thought it was). Apart from the distance it's been wet and windy recently and I don't like opening the unit in those conditions because once even a bit of damp gets in it's hard to dry it out again.
I'll look next time I'm there.

Robert.


Re: 8921A PCBs required

 
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Hi Robert,

Has Rick mentioned any issue with your offer, directly to you ?

He is still assisting me with advice on eproms etc. I think we are not going to impact on his turf.?

I am not commercial, just an old codger doing what hams do. My stuff will go to the local ham radio club (NCRG) when I pass on.

I had a go at the gear yesterday and it definitely will require me to make some extender boards to fault find to component level. I will have to make them on my homebrew CNC machine. The connectors will be the difficult thing to make, so I may have to carefully unsolder ones from some sacrificial junk boards that are unrecoverable. I wondered if you might have such things in your stash, just to get the edge connector fittings off.? The HP 8920 has several lengths involved -- 40 pins on the Modulation Distribution Board. And I think that will fit one of the AF boards too.

Regards

Bill Macham??? VK6IC (westwill1@...)

On 23/07/2023 2:33 am, Robert G8RPI via groups.io wrote:

Hi,
I'm in the UK and have a stash of boards almost certainly including those. I'd have to check exact numbers.

However I don't want to step on Rick's toes as he does so much to support 89xx users big and small. If Rick does not mind I can have a look at what I have.

Robert.


Re: 8921A PCBs required

 
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Thanks Rick,

Will do.

Bill M.


Re: 8921A PCBs required

 
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Hi Rick

Are you aware that all EEPROM's have a limit on the maximum number of erase/write cycles they can perform before they fail. You should find this information buried in their specifications.

George G6HIG Dover UK

On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 16:29:05 BST, rab@... <rab@...> wrote:
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Hi William,

The 8921 and 8920 have basically the same eeprom so they can be
interchanged. We have had several cases of "non-recoverable firmware
error" on boot up due to corrupt eeproms. I don't recall ever having
that due to a defective controller board. I also recommend you check the
eeprom programmer to make sure it isn't "write protecting" the
programmed eeprom. We have an eetools Chipmax that defaults to write
protect the eeprom. The 8920 (21) writes to the eeprom every time you
use it.

Rick





Re: HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out

 
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I¡¯ve had luck with repairing power switch rods on that go over a square switch actuator using dental floss or lacing cord as a binder.


From:
?opelgtalex <aszuski@...>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2023 2:34:22 PM
Subject: Re: [HP8920/8935 Family] HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out
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One other thing to mention:
When you pull of the front panel assembly off be extremely careful with the power button rod -- I taped mine with polyimide tape to the unit itself in several spots and left it attached.
If you go to remove the power supply or do the LCD conversion, I would definitely not try and disconnect that power switch rod. They get brittle with age and therefore need to be treated very gently.

Alex


Re: HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out

 
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Hank,

Cockpit error trying to do it on my phone. My eyes aren't pointy enough. On my shoppe desktop it comes through great.

Thanks, :)

Burt


Re: HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out

 
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Could the power button rod be made with a 3d printer?? Just a thought?

Steve Flory W9KOP


Re: HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out

 
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One other thing to mention:
When you pull of the front panel assembly off be extremely careful with the power button rod -- I taped mine with polyimide tape to the unit itself in several spots and left it attached.
If you go to remove the power supply or do the LCD conversion I would definitely not try and disconnect that power switch rod. They get brittle with age and therefore need to be treated very gently.

Alex


Re: HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out

 
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Hello,
From memory, and having done 2 of the conversions, it's pretty straightforward.
I probably went overboard in writing this reply, but I thought I would be as detailed as I could remember.
If you are doing this I would suggest re-capping the power supply while the unit is torn apart.
Another item to possibly change is the memory battery.
May want to blow out and/or clean the cooling fan too.
I would also re-secure the internal speaker.
?

My list of tools needed for install of the LCD.

?4mm wrench (3/16¡± wrench is a little big but works)

5/16¡± wrench

15/64¡± wrench

5/8¡± deep socket and ratchet

5/16¡± deep socket and ratchet

5/32¡± Allen Wrench

1/16¡± Allen Wrench

0.050¡±Allen Wrench

T15 Torx Wrench

T10 Torx Wrench

#1 Phillips Screwdriver

Scissors

X-Acto Knife

Goo-B-Gone

Isopropyl Alcohol

Paper Towels

Double sided sticky tape to install the speaker back in the holder -- mine was loose because the foam was deteriorated

All nuts have to come off the BNC connectors and N-connector.
The multifunction knob and VOL/Sql knobs must come off.
The connector on the backside of the N connector on the front will still be attached -- will need disconnecting, along with the wire harness from the front panel.
The BNC input assembly (cannot remember the name of it at the moment) must come out completely.
You'll need to pull the RF Shield off of the old CRT and re-use the harness, To be able to unplug the harness from the main board you will need to remove a couple modules.
When you have to install the black fuzzy tape that comes in the kit make sure you cut all ends so the do not overlap, and ensure that you do an extremely nice job on this part as anything that is not covered or overlaps you will be able to see thru the front panel when looking at the LCD -- get help if you don't have steady or clean hands.
You will need to solder a supplied SMD resistor in parallel with a pre-existing resistor.
One word of caution: when you pull the front panel apart to remove the CRT plastic/mica/glass off do NOT overtighten the screws underneath the bezel when you put it back on. They should be secure not tight!
If you overtighten the screws you will cause distortions in the clear shield that will annoy you.
Also, before installing the LCD ensure that the clear protective shield is lint free or cat hair free.
I disassembled mine on the kitchen table with a soft blanket and used a pillow to prop it up.
Keep the cat or and super fuzzy animal away, lol.
Have fun,
Alex, KD6VPH
Olympia, WA

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 11:43?AM David Dowler <dave@...> wrote:

Hi Alex

I bought the kit and intend to do the same soon. Were there any special precautions you took in regards to the CRT removal?

Thanks

Dave KA6BFB


Re: HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out

 

Hi Alex

I bought the kit and intend to do the same soon. Were there any special precautions you took in regards to the CRT removal?

Thanks

Dave KA6BFB


Re: HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out

 

That looks so good.
I need to save up for that kit.


Re: 8921A PCBs required

 
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Hi William,

The 8921 and 8920 have basically the same eeprom so they can be interchanged. We have had several cases of "non-recoverable firmware error" on boot up due to corrupt eeproms. I don't recall ever having that due to a defective controller board.

I also recommend you check the eeprom programmer to make sure it isn't "write protecting" the programmed eeprom. We have an eetools Chipmax that defaults to write protect the eeprom. The 8920 (21) writes to the eeprom every time you use it.

Rick


Re: HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out

 

Burt,

Are you having trouble reading the posts?? Alex in his last post nicely provided links to both the company website and the listing (a giant url string) on ebay.



I'm attaching a pdf called the Operating Manual downloaded from the Simmconn Labs?website.

Hank


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Re: HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out

 
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Alex,

Yes, I did mean "Alex."? :)

Yes, your VGA bracket came out looking like a machine stamped insert.? My big concern is that from certain look angles it might make it hard to see.

Where did you get the LCD kit?? Please post a link if you can.? I see one advertised on eBay and was wondering if that's the one you got?

Thank you,
Burt, K6OQK


Re: HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out

 

Burt, I think you mean me, not Steve.
The LCD display is better in all ways, nothing to complain about whatsoever, I cannot find one thing I dislike.
The VGA out was made by hand from some 1/8" Aluminum and a few times of measuring before cutting and filing it to look like a machine made it.
I used a VGA PCI card bracket as a template.
You have to pull the entire 892x apart to install this FYI.
Well worth the money.
-Alex. KD6VPH
Olympia, WA

Links:
http://www.simmconnlabs.com/1401/10001.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134645311739?hash=item1f597c68fb:g:nYsAAOSw92Jdo7tl&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8L3EF3TzQftdAVBekjCKUZsodPZn9U%2BbcltzNcSGEel3eGacOGSJTv2yIndtBjS9JIYSspAahv5dXVL1XCxXkzMy7wZuKf21%2FOsQQdyPgoMDIlPzPDbT0BbMcuNnbYpn%2FBm%2BeKyVo5ViaVz7GxqRU%2BZQVOnUCq5d0Ga%2FtpHuSxgmBNCN40OyhWFKwKWLOIoXa5KUMcKZg1uNDOzA1UWYdRS28Q%2FcH4sYtjAS1vrEZKuLXtBTIWkwTWqlsFX%2BMQcd8GhbtEIf3rqYrl0LF81wAKaAmx71gmvuF3MspRnNCLp05Bm2h92yIx3Pj1hKV9bhaQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_ici8WwYg


Re: HP 8920A/B, 8921A LCD/VGA Out

 
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Steve,

This looks great.

Two questions...? How tight is the viewing angle, and where did you find the adapter plate that fits in the "option" connector hole that accepts a VGA connector.

Thanks,
Burt, K6OQK


Re: 8921A PCBs required

 
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Ahh ... I did not change the eeprom onto the other board. I have taken a snapshot of the eprom, some time back, into my win 7 computer via an eprom burner. Did a checksum after I did it on each, and it said the copy was OK. ??? I then burned another eprom with the data, and checked that as OK. I then put the original eproms back into the boards. At all times did I use an antistatic mat and earth myself and the burner, IE., did it very carefully.

I do not have any Memory drive cards for it and thought that I should take hard copies for some future event

I did both test sets and kept them labelled.

So the eprom that is suspect, is on board7 of the 8920A by the tests so far performed?

I will plug in the copied eprom? from the 8920A and see if it boots, or at least gives the LED codes at boot up.?

I guess the copy of the 8921A will not work if I plugged that in as a test?

Regards

Bill M

Millendon

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On 23/07/2023 11:25 am, rab@... wrote:

Hi William, when you swapped the controller boards, did you keep the eeprom with the problem unit? I suspect the non recoverable error is from the calibration eeprom on the controller board. Rick


Re: 8921A PCBs required

 
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Hi William, when you swapped the controller boards, did you keep the eeprom with the problem unit? I suspect the non recoverable error is from the calibration eeprom on the controller board. Rick


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Hi Robert,

Many thanks for your interest in my problem.?

My ham call sign is VK6IC, although I was VK6II. That lapsed during a Covid problem at our Federal Comms office. I had the call since 1983.

I am 78 Years old and not yet ready to check out mentally, hence more ham radio and fiddling with good quality instruments. I am an Instrument maker by trade and spent over 30 years in medical and scientific servicing. Lots of fun.

I am now an aged pensioner, so cannot buy my way out of a problem. I mostly end up doing it the "hard way", time rich but money poor.

I value Rick's contribution and wealth of experience, plus his generosity to help,? The tyranny of distance features much in dealing with USA.

?

I look forward to your rumble through your stash. Maybe we will QSO when I get my HF Yagi up the tower. (works in progress, maybe this summer).

Regards

Bill Macham

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On 23/07/2023 2:33 am, Robert G8RPI via groups.io wrote:

Hi,
I'm in the UK and have a stash of boards almost certainly including those. I'd have to check exact numbers.

However I don't want to step on Rick's toes as he does so much to support 89xx users big and small. If Rick does not mind I can have a look at what I have.

Robert.