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Re: DC Blocker - why not?

 

jb or anyone,

Have you ever seen a commercial attenuator that you could take apart (in the proper way without sawing or grinding)?

So far I haven't.

Hank
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On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 12:29 PM, jb wrote:

I like the idea of cheap protection Instead of expensive and labor intensive repairs.
I like the idea of a 3 to 10db attenuator that you can take apart and add SMD cap and fuse.?


Re: DC Blocker - why not?

 

To take it one step further, you could make your own as long as you verify its operation in the frequency range you desire.
I like the idea of cheap protection Instead of expensive and labor intensive repairs.
I like the idea of a 3 to 10db attenuator that you can take apart and add SMD cap and fuse.?
Especially useful for stage gain checks.? IFR used to have a retrofit bnc connector with a small fuse.


Re: DC Blocker - why not?

 

Alexandre, a DC block functions as a series capacitor in your input signal path. This keeps DC out, but being a capacitor, also has a response at RF that resembles a high pass filter. The cutoff frequency depends on the capacitor value in the DC block. Measurements of RF signals will be affected near and below this cutoff frequency. You should look at the frequency response curve for the DC block to make sure it will not interfere with signals you intend to measure. You could look at the spec sheet or sweep the DC block with your E8285A like you would sweep a filter to confirm its response.
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73, Steve W9TN


DC Blocker - why not?

 

Dear sirs,

I have a E8285A service monitor, and I know I can put no DC voltage on its inputs. So I have 3 questions:

- Can I keep a DC blocker permanently connected to its inputs?
- Is there a quality difference on a HP DC blocker and a chinese one?
- Why it doesnt come standard from factory?

Thanks!
Alexandre, PU2SEX - GG66QM



Re: Conecting external monitor to HP8924c #video #gbs8220 #vga #hp8924c

 

The GBS8200/8220 does work without the sync separator but you lose part of the image. It's probably triggering on the wrong edge of the pulse or the first bit of video. I never bothered working out exactly what was going on, I just built the sync separator. I used a LM1881 as I had one on hand and it was before the comparator circuit was published.

Robert G8RPI


Re: x28c256 memory #hp8920b

 

is it possible to get a backup file of an 8920B made from x28c256 from you to do some testing? if possible thank you .


Re: E8285A - how to backup calibration data?

 

Em 11/06/2021 20:57, Hank Riley via groups.io escreveu:
Did you try Jeff's cal data program yet?? I also have an 8285 but don't have the old laptop quite ready to run where the heavy HP is.
The laptop was in the RF lab, but it became inoperable on account of needing a second WIN XP activation.? No idea why that happened.
Yep, just tried it right now
After making the hardware connection (null-modem cable to SERIAL 9 - no, it won't work on serial 10) I was able to upload the program to E8285A and start it. It returned a series of "Processing XXXXXXXX" and in the end, got a "Done!!" on the E8285A and a file with all these "processing" messages. I'll paste the file containts here

Maybe this program isn't adequated to E8285A?

Thanks
Alexandre

(Output of program to cal file:)
======== SPEC AN CALIBRATION RECORDS DUMP ========
Processing VFN_COEFF...

Processing AFA_DET2...

Processing AFA_DET1...

AFA_DEMOD
Processing AFG_CAL...

Processing INST_SER_NUM...

Processing MIXER_FRQ...

Processing FM_SENS_FRQ...

Processing FM_SENS_SGN...

Processing FM_SENS_MULT...

Processing FM_ACFM_DAC...

Processing RCVR_GAIN...

Processing RCVR_DET_PWR...

Processing SPA_CAL_TONE...

Processing SPA_INP_GAIN...

Processing SPA_BW_GAIN...

Processing SPA_BW_FRQ...

Processing SPA_PATH_2DB...

Processing SPA_PATH_1DB...

Processing LOG_AMP_PWR...

Processing LOG_AMP_VOLT...

Processing VM_SLOPE_OFS...

Processing VM_CAL...

LPF_FRQ
Processing LPF_RD40...

Processing LPF_RD20...

Processing LPF_RD0...

Processing LPF_RR20...

Processing LPF_RR0...

Processing LPF_A20...

Processing LPF_A0...

Processing BPF_RD40...

Processing BPF_RD20...

Processing BPF_RR40...

Processing BPF_RR20...

Processing BPF_A40...

Processing BPF_A20...

Processing TBPF350_NPT...

Processing TBPF350_FRQ...

Processing TBPF350_RD20...

Processing TBPF350_RD0...

TBPF350_RR40
Processing TBPF350_RR20...

Processing TBPF350_RR0...

Processing TBPF350_D3...

Processing TBPF350_D1...

Processing TBPF350_A40...

Processing TBPF350_A0...

Processing TBPF650_NPT...

Processing TBPF650_RD40...

Processing TBPF650_RD20...

Processing TBPF650_RR40...

Processing TBPF650_RR20...

Processing TBPF650_D3...

Processing TBPF650_D2...

Processing TBPF650_A40...

Processing TBPF650_A20...

Processing OUT_TUNE_FRQ...

Processing OUT_TUNE_DAC...

Processing OUT_LVL_FRQ...

Processing OUT_LVL_OFS...

OUT_LVL_GAIN
Processing OUT_LOSS_FRQ...

Processing OUT_RF_0DB...

Processing OUT_RF_5DB...

Processing OUT_RF_15DB...

Processing OUT_RF_20DB...

Processing OUT_RF_30DB...

Processing OUT_RF_35DB...

Processing OUT_DX_0DB...

Processing OUT_DX_5DB...

Processing OUT_DX_15DB...

Processing OUT_DX_20DB...

Processing OUT_DX_30DB...

Processing OUT_DX_35DB...

Processing OUT_DX_45DB...

Processing OUT_DX_50DB...

Processing OUT_DX_60DB...

Processing OUT_DX_65DB...

OUT_DX_70DB
Processing OUT_DX_75DB...

Processing OUT_DX_80DB...

Processing OUT_DX_85DB...

Processing OUT_DX_95DB...

Processing OUT_DX_100DB...

Processing OUT_DX_110DB...

Processing OUT_DX_115DB...

Processing OUT_DX_125DB...

Processing INP_RLY_CNT...

Processing NOM_HI_PWR...

Processing OUT_INPUT...

Processing PWR_RMS_FRQ...

Processing PWR_EMR_FRQ...

Processing PWR_OFS...

Processing PWR_VOLTS...

Processing PWR_DET_OFS...

Processing PWR_DET_GAIN...

Processing PWR_DET_MWTT...

Processing PWR_CW_OFS...

PWR_CW_VOLT
Processing PWR_CW_MWATT...

Processing PWR_CON...

Processing PWR_COEFF_RF...

Processing EBNO_LVL...

Processing EBNO_LVL_CAL...

Processing IQ_GAIN...

Processing I_OFFSET...

Processing Q_OFFSET...

Processing Q_DC_OFFSET...

Processing SIGNAL_DELTA...

Processing NOISE_DELTA...

Processing CHNA_IQ_GAIN...

Processing CHNA_I_OFFS...

Processing CHNA_QUAD...

Processing CHNB_IQ_FREQ...

Processing CHNB_I_OFFS...

Processing CHNB_Q_OFFS...

CHNB_QUAD
Processing TM_IQ_FREQ...

Processing TM_IQ_GAIN...

Processing TM_Q_OFFSET...

Processing TM_QUADRATUR...

Processing SMPLR_TRG_OF...

Processing SMPLR_SCL_5...

Processing SMPLR_SCL_15...

Processing SMPLR_PATH...

Processing CPM_RF_CAL...

Processing VGA_GAIN...

Processing VGA_DAC...

Processing PRE_CUTOFF_V...

Processing PRE_DET_OFS...

Processing PRE_FRQ...

Processing PRE_A20UL_RF...

Processing PRE_A40LL_RF...

Processing PRE_A40LL_AN...

Processing PRE_D0UL_AN...

Processing PRE_D20LL_RF...

PRE_D20LL_AN
Done!!!



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Re: x28c256 memory #hp8920b

 

backing up the calibration EEPROM is always a good idea.? I typically do that when working on a unit.

You can get a boot up checksum error from a couple of places.

Usually if it's the cal data than a unit will load a default file instead.

It may be a firmware checksum failure ...on the 8920A those are ROM's that can be replaced.


Re: x28c256 memory #hp8920b

 

ok thank you jeff, unfortunately my instrument is not equipped with rs232 and I have the problem to make it start.

start problem is because it gives me checksum error and I have not understood why.? ?so I would like to try to load on another new eprom with a safe working .bin or .hex file like yours that I understand you have read and archived with the checksum it generated.

then I could see if it starts and then look for the reason why it is corrupted.

if not it is a nuisance and if you can send it to me to do these tests.? ?I apologize and thank you.


Re: x28c256 memory #hp8920b

 

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Hi!

Yes, you can do that pretty easily.
That's what I did prior to begin thinkering with calibration data on my 8920A...
At a first glance it is just a block of bytes, but when comparing the content of the EEPROM with the cal data read back from the test set (using the program I posted on the forum some time ago), I was able to locate most of the records. It's however quite touchy because the format of data varies from integer of various length, fixed point floats of various formats and floats/doubles... Last but not least, a checksum is added in EEPROM after each record. No idea yet how it is calculated.
So, apart from having a backup of your EEPROM just in case something bad happens, you'll not learn a lot from it...
Regards,
JF


x28c256 memory #hp8920b

 

hello, can someone tell me if the x28c256 memory installed on hp8920b can be copied with the programmer to have a .bin or .hex file to store it in case of failure. and if so, what results did it give?

thanks


Re: DIY SRAM cards for Epson and regular PCMCIA styles

 

After opening the other 40pin Epson 32k card that was HP branded, all I found was blobs of epoxy.? No joy.

I did order out some 512k ultra low-power chips to try in the Agilent card, but is on the back burner now.?

I did find a 1M 48GX card on e-bay for much less than normal.

It was branded GRID and IT DOES WORK. Although the cover was starting to come apart at the battery it
was easily glued with a toothpick and some contact cement.? I peeked under the cover and
blobs of epoxy there too.

There is a note on the 8920a schematic that one of the blocks of memory is loaded backwards.? Might be
significant if using a programmer to load these.


Re: Intermittent error #hp8920b

 

Just a little more detailed description than was posted here before.

Hank

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There's a problem with dbm levels only in spectrum analyzer mode.? The 8920B measures 4dbm high on both inputs, RF in/out and Antenna IN, but in power meter mode the equipment measures the levels perfectly.

I ran the RFDIAGS2 test and get the error "Receiver Assembly (Low)" for 100MHz 614.3MHz IF and 500MHz 114.3MHz IF. I cleaned all the semi-rigid cables and all the internal modules but that didn't make any difference.

I have the schematic but I don't have the in-depth knowledge to solve this problem


Re: Intermittent error #hp8920b

 

Thanks Hank.
?
I'm sure there are members here with a lot of knowledge to help me. thank you for your support.

Regards


Re: Intermittent error #hp8920b

 

Your English is fine.

Maybe the temperature dependence and the screenshot you provided will give someone some clues as to where the problem lies.

Hank


Re: Intermittent error #hp8920b

 

Dear Peter,

I tried to clean all modules and all coax cables, but I wasn't successful, when HP8920B is on for 1 or 2 hours the failure is constant, but after 3 or 4 hours on, this failure becomes intermittent.

Any help will be appreciated, Sorry for my bad English.

Regards


Re: Intermittent error #hp8920b

 

Hi Alemao,

After some time the rigid co-axial cables at the underside of the unit develop poor connections
due to corrosion. they are very small and delicate but with care can be disconnected and gently cleaned.

Once a good connection is established you may find the fault is rectified.

this is a simple fix and worth trying.

All the best.

Peter.




Intermittent error #hp8920b

 

Hi I have got an intermittent error with my HP8920B. The error is "Receiver assembly (low)".
Could someone please provide some clarity on this issue.

Thanks in advance!


Re: Conecting external monitor to HP8924c #video #gbs8220 #vga #hp8924c

 

Thank you, Alexander, for your email. Pls note that as I wrote in my previous, in the next step I will try with a sync separator.
But I think that reporting this easy way to get a picture to the monitor, should prove a good first step for many that otherwise might drop their efforts; and for others, including me, is a QnD solution when needed.

73


Yiannis
SV1MNE


¦²¦Ó¦É? ¦°?¦Ì, 12 ¦¡¦Ô¦Ã 2021 ¦Ò¦Ó¦É? 6:57 ¦Ð.¦Ì., ¦Ï/¦Ç Alexandre Souza <alexandre.tabajara@...> ?¦Ã¦Ñ¦Á¦×¦Å:

08/08/2021 12:10, sv1mne wrote:
> Hi Alexander, it definitely works without a sync separator, via the Y
> Composite input (at least on my GBS8200)
> Look at the pictures I have posted in my SV1MNE folder in Photos
> section.

Ok, if you think that it is working missing a piece of the screen, feel
free to use that way.
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Re: Conecting external monitor to HP8924c #video #gbs8220 #vga #hp8924c

 

08/08/2021 12:10, sv1mne wrote:
Hi Alexander, it definitely works without a sync separator, via the Y Composite input (at least on my GBS8200)
Look at the pictures I have posted in my SV1MNE folder in Photos section.
Ok, if you think that it is working missing a piece of the screen, feel free to use that way.
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