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In message <fee9c335-a61c-f573-993b-6d09a4bae288@...>, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> writes
Jeff, there's more to life than money, and things have value other
than pure dollars. I get that some people don't process that, but it's
a fact.
Indeed! I am reminded of this following comment by Daniel Gooch on Isambard Kingdom Brunel the great Victorian engineer who's railways stations and structures are still in use today some 160 years after his death.. "By his death the greatest of England's engineers was lost, the man with the greatest originality of thought and power of execution, bold in his plans but right. The commercial world thought him extravagant; but although he was so, great things are not done by those who sit down and count the cost of every thought and act". -- Tony Sayer
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On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 05:56 PM, bandrsn wrote:
I think I have an offer for a button - thanks guys...
Cheers,
Bruce A., Santa Barbara
If the offer for a button does not work out, the HP part number for the button is 5041-0117 and the HP description is "Key Cap, Filter switch." It's a long shot but I have had success in the past by searching by part number. Especially if the part is used on multiple HP instruments. Cheers, Tom
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We do need to nip this conversation in the bud. While it is tangentially on-topic, it's not likely to be tolerated for long. If I were watching it as a moderator rather than participating in it, I'd be waiting to pounce.
You've misinterpreted the "direction" (for the lack of a better way to articulate it, not enough coffee) of my point. It's not a matter of someone dictating to you what you can and cannot do with your stuff, it's a matter of you making good decisions about what you do and don't do with your stuff.
To illustrate my point: If I just happened to be the owner of the Mona Lisa, I would take great care of it. I don't particularly like the Mona Lisa; I think it's a fairly unattractive painting of a fairly unattractive person and I just don't see the appeal. But I am aware that most of the rest of the world practically worships it, and I would take great care of it for THAT reason. If I really, really needed a dartboard, I could certainly use the Mona Lisa as a dartboard. Of course, because I own it, I can do whatever I damn well please. But would I? Of course not, because (in this context at least) I am not an asshole. This is the difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
That's the best I can do today to illustrate the point I'm trying to make. The degree of importance of an item to a person or persons is immaterial (Mona Lisa vs. an HP 141T), the logic is the same.
This mailing list serves many purposes for many people who are interested in HP gear for different reasons. One of those purposes is to try to preserve that gear.
-Dave
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On 11/15/21 8:04 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: I didn't come looking for an argument.... only a friendly
discussion, and clarification of some words you wrote.
Your assumptions about my attitude are probably as unfounded
as any assumption I could make about your attitude. All I know
of you is from what you write, and what our mutual friends and
acquaintances have told me of you.
Calling me an asshole because I have, in the past, instructed
employees to scrap "valuable" things that nobody was willing
to pay even scrap prices for, is fairly reductive. Why go there?
Warehouse space is expensive, and my businesses invariably
end-up smothering themselves in the things I save, hoping
to extract their value. I always lose money on those things...
Always.
Offhanded statements about how people: ..."don't understand the
difference between "ownership" and "custodianship"...", would
seem by their very existence to imply a lack of belief in the
property rights of *others*.
You say that is not true of you, while calling me an idiot...
I still haven't heard an explanation of what you meant by those
words.
If I have misjudged your beliefs on this subject, I surely
do apologize.
It is fairly well known that loss of property rights, such
as happened during feudalism, and later with communism and
socialism, leads to (or comes from) the loss of rights over
your person. Loss of property rights, communism, socialism,
and slavery are all pretty tightly intertwined throughout
history.
I brought that up originally purely as an example. It didn't
occur to me until later that the words would trigger you.
-Chuck Harris
Sun, 14 Nov 2021 20:21:50 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
Ok, I really, really didn't want to entertain your desire for an
argument about this, because I've known people with this attitude
before, but you've made it so I cannot resist.
Yes, of course, don't be an idiot, you go right ahead and do what
you want with whatever you own, and I will do the same. But if you
own something that you know is rare, beloved, sought-after, etc etc
by other people, and you destroy it, that makes you an asshole, plain
and simple.
Nothing more. There is nothing about "slavery" here. ("Slavery"?
Really?) Don't read anything else into what I've typed, and I'm not
going to argue with you about it.
-Dave
On 11/14/21 6:18 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
That is just a voluntary restriction you have placed on
yourself by choice. An owner's prerogative.
I similarly choose not to beat-up my car with hammers, rocks
and baseball bats... but I could if it pleased me to do so
for some reason...
If you want to scrap the instrument and turn it into little
metal shavings, you can, and nobody can do a thing about it.
That isn't really a custodial relationship.
I get touchy about this subject because I have seen numerous
cases where people that do not have any stake in some thing,
be it a house, aircraft, computer, test equipment, cars, or
another, attempt to force the owner not to employ that item
in a way that the non-stake holder feels may cause it harm.
They never seem to have the money to buy out the owner, but
always want control, at the owner's expense.
-Chuck Harris
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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I didn't come looking for an argument.... only a friendly
discussion, and clarification of some words you wrote.
Your assumptions about my attitude are probably as unfounded
as any assumption I could make about your attitude. All I know
of you is from what you write, and what our mutual friends and
acquaintances have told me of you.
Calling me an asshole because I have, in the past, instructed
employees to scrap "valuable" things that nobody was willing
to pay even scrap prices for, is fairly reductive. Why go there?
Warehouse space is expensive, and my businesses invariably
end-up smothering themselves in the things I save, hoping
to extract their value. I always lose money on those things...
Always.
Offhanded statements about how people: ..."don't understand the
difference between "ownership" and "custodianship"...", would
seem by their very existence to imply a lack of belief in the
property rights of *others*.
You say that is not true of you, while calling me an idiot...
I still haven't heard an explanation of what you meant by those
words.
If I have misjudged your beliefs on this subject, I surely
do apologize.
It is fairly well known that loss of property rights, such
as happened during feudalism, and later with communism and
socialism, leads to (or comes from) the loss of rights over
your person. Loss of property rights, communism, socialism,
and slavery are all pretty tightly intertwined throughout
history.
I brought that up originally purely as an example. It didn't
occur to me until later that the words would trigger you.
-Chuck Harris
Sun, 14 Nov 2021 20:21:50 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
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Ok, I really, really didn't want to entertain your desire for an
argument about this, because I've known people with this attitude
before, but you've made it so I cannot resist.
Yes, of course, don't be an idiot, you go right ahead and do what
you want with whatever you own, and I will do the same. But if you
own something that you know is rare, beloved, sought-after, etc etc
by other people, and you destroy it, that makes you an asshole, plain
and simple.
Nothing more. There is nothing about "slavery" here. ("Slavery"?
Really?) Don't read anything else into what I've typed, and I'm not
going to argue with you about it.
-Dave
On 11/14/21 6:18 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
That is just a voluntary restriction you have placed on
yourself by choice. An owner's prerogative.
I similarly choose not to beat-up my car with hammers, rocks
and baseball bats... but I could if it pleased me to do so
for some reason...
If you want to scrap the instrument and turn it into little
metal shavings, you can, and nobody can do a thing about it.
That isn't really a custodial relationship.
I get touchy about this subject because I have seen numerous
cases where people that do not have any stake in some thing,
be it a house, aircraft, computer, test equipment, cars, or
another, attempt to force the owner not to employ that item
in a way that the non-stake holder feels may cause it harm.
They never seem to have the money to buy out the owner, but
always want control, at the owner's expense.
-Chuck Harris
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Amen to that Dave! Just scrapping nice TE stuff because you own it so are entitled to
is plain and simple a statement of "I am an asshole".
Wilko
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Hey Jeff ¨C In the good old days you and I used to get lots of TE together at those GSA sales. Those were fun and we just split the stuff down the middle along with the payment. I bet it was close to 40 years ago. Stay well ¨C 73 ¨C Mike ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Jeff Kruth via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:26 PM To: mcguire@...; [email protected]Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Replacing missing button cap(s) - HP 339A ? What a fascinatingly stupid discussion. And I will prove it so: Desired, rare, sought after, beloved implies valuable which equals $, money, moolah, cash, cheese or whatever lingo you choose. However I have found the ones who cry the loudest and beat their breast in anguish are the cheapest, stingy-est SOB's on the face of the earth, generally. Not casting aspersions on the folks currently engaged in discussion, as I know you to be fine folks. And there is nothing sacrosanct about test equipment, no matter who makes it. It was designed for an economic life of 5-7 years. The stuff are MERELY tools used to perform a job. And when tools wear out, or are superseded, they are discarded. I have seen literally MOUNTAINS of HP & Tek go to the shredder. Uncle Sam just don't care. And complained about it, have tried to get guys to go in with me to buy the stuff out to save it, move it, store it, but no one with cash, time, energy or SPACE ever steps up. They want to pick it out of the dumpster. Which is fine, god bless you for your luck, but rare. So its no big deal. Really it isnt. We are dinosaurs clinging to our "goodies" which are rapidly becoming not worth the space they take up. My engineering students couldnt care less for these boat anchors. Apartments are small, and costly. And they do not have the attention span to learn how to fix things Take it from someone who still has mountains of the stuff, and realizes that all things eventually "go away".... I just brought back to the school a VERY large pile of TE that was donated, and have realized, while testing some of it, that almost all of it is probably sick or bad, or useless. All while hoping there is enough useful for the labs to have made fetching it (gas and time) worth it.? And there is not enough of me to fix it all.
In a message dated 11/14/2021 8:21:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, mcguire@... writes:
? Ok, I really, really didn't want to entertain your desire for an
argument about this, because I've known people with this attitude
before, but you've made it so I cannot resist.
? Yes, of course, don't be an idiot, you go right ahead and do what you
want with whatever you own, and I will do the same.? But if you own
something that you know is rare, beloved, sought-after, etc etc by other
people, and you destroy it, that makes you an asshole, plain and simple.
? Nothing more.? There is nothing about "slavery" here.? ("Slavery"?
Really?)? Don't read anything else into what I've typed, and I'm not
going to argue with you about it.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
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Jeff, there's more to life than money, and things have value other than pure dollars. I get that some people don't process that, but it's a fact.
-Dave
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On 11/14/21 9:26 PM, Jeff Kruth via groups.io wrote: What a fascinatingly stupid discussion. And I will prove it so: Desired, rare, sought after, beloved implies valuable which equals $, money, moolah, cash, cheese or whatever lingo you choose.
However I have found the ones who cry the loudest and beat their breast in anguish are the cheapest, stingy-est SOB's on the face of the earth, generally. Not casting aspersions on the folks currently engaged in discussion, as I know you to be fine folks.
And there is nothing sacrosanct about test equipment, no matter who makes it. It was designed for an economic life of 5-7 years. The stuff are MERELY tools used to perform a job. And when tools wear out, or are superseded, they are discarded.
I have seen literally MOUNTAINS of HP & Tek go to the shredder. Uncle Sam just don't care.
And complained about it, have tried to get guys to go in with me to buy the stuff out to save it, move it, store it, but no one with cash, time, energy or SPACE ever steps up.
They want to pick it out of the dumpster. Which is fine, god bless you for your luck, but rare.
So its no big deal. Really it isnt. We are dinosaurs clinging to our "goodies" which are rapidly becoming not worth the space they take up. My engineering students couldnt care less for these boat anchors. Apartments are small, and costly. And they do not have the attention span to learn how to fix things
Take it from someone who still has mountains of the stuff, and realizes that all things eventually "go away".... I just brought back to the school a VERY large pile of TE that was donated, and have realized, while testing some of it, that almost all of it is probably sick or bad, or useless. All while hoping there is enough useful for the labs to have made fetching it (gas and time) worth it.? And there is not enough of me to fix it all.
J.Kruth
In a message dated 11/14/2021 8:21:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, mcguire@... writes:
? Ok, I really, really didn't want to entertain your desire for an
argument about this, because I've known people with this attitude
before, but you've made it so I cannot resist.
? Yes, of course, don't be an idiot, you go right ahead and do what you
want with whatever you own, and I will do the same.? But if you own
something that you know is rare, beloved, sought-after, etc etc by other
people, and you destroy it, that makes you an asshole, plain and simple.
? Nothing more.? There is nothing about "slavery" here.? ("Slavery"?
Really?)? Don't read anything else into what I've typed, and I'm not
going to argue with you about it.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
On 11/14/21 6:18 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
> That is just a voluntary restriction you have placed on
> yourself by choice.? An owner's prerogative.
>
> I similarly choose not to beat-up my car with hammers, rocks
> and baseball bats...? but I could if it pleased me to do so
> for some reason...
>
> If you want to scrap the instrument and turn it into little
> metal shavings, you can, and nobody can do a thing about it.
>
> That isn't really a custodial relationship.
>
> I get touchy about this subject because I have seen numerous
> cases where people that do not have any stake in some thing,
> be it a house, aircraft, computer, test equipment, cars, or
> another, attempt to force the owner not to employ that item
> in a way that the non-stake holder feels may cause it harm.
>
> They never seem to have the money to buy out the owner, but
> always want control, at the owner's expense.
>
> -Chuck Harris
>
>
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:16:14 +0000 "Dave Wise"
<david_wise@... <mailto:david_wise@...>>
> wrote:
>> I own my instruments, but I am mostly their custodian.? Or steward,
>> if you like.? I'm glad to have relationships other than ownership.
>>
>> Dave Wise
>>
>> From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Chuck
>> Harris via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:51 AM To:
>> [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re:
>> [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Replacing missing button cap(s) - HP
>> 339A
>>
>> I'm not picking a fight, but trying to understand what
>> you said.
>>
>> -Chuck Harris
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:00:04 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
>> <mcguire@... <mailto:mcguire@...>> wrote:
>>> No, Chuck, I'm not implying that at all. Go pick a fight somewhere
>>> else.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On November 14, 2021 8:32:23 AM "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@...
<mailto:cfharris@...>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Are you implying that materials owned by my company,
>>>> and hence me, aren't mine?
>>>>
>>>> Communism and socialism are based on that very idea.
>>>>
>>>> The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but
>>>> rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings",
>>>> carries forward to the logical conclusion that people
>>>> are not the owners of their bodies and minds.
>>>>
>>>> That condition is known as slavery.
>>>>
>>>> -Chuck Harris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
>>>> <mcguire@... <mailto:mcguire@...>> wrote:
>>>>> Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that
>>>>> people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the
>>>>> difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
>>>>>
>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White"
>>>>> <madyn@... <mailto:madyn@...>> wrote:
>>>>>> Suits have a different perspective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For a suit.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it
>>>>>> economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and
>>>>>> claim a tax writeoff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to
>>>>>> anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is
>>>>>> the corporate bottom line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For a scrapper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless
>>>>>> cables I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals?
>>>>>> What's the price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get
>>>>>> from this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hobbiests and engineers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best of luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harvey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>> As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy
>>>>>>> crap. I'm guessing suits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io"
>>>>>>> <bandrsn@... <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste
>>>>>>>> bin at work, but not before another piece of equipment was
>>>>>>>> dropped in an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which
>>>>>>>> was lost. There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch
>>>>>>>> post left inside, behind the front panel, and the switch
>>>>>>>> stills works fine if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Questions:
>>>>>>>> 1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
>>>>>>>> 2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight
>>>>>>>> off as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample
>>>>>>>> with either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas
>>>>>>>> for button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying
>>>>>>>> another 339A for parts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> -Bruce A., Santa Barbara
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>>>>>> New Kensington, PA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>>>> New Kensington, PA
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>>> --
>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>> New Kensington, PA
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On 11/14/21 8:48 PM, Tam Hanna wrote: sorry to step into the fray here. You are an old friend, and I know how you meant it, and in principle I agree with you.
But, given the current political situation, there are many, many Libs just waiting to pounce on this argument, and take it to the extremes to suit their Lib, anti tech agenda. If we do not watch carefully, all the time, then we wake up in the CHAZ. Well as this very much Lib, but very pro-Tech, I'm willing to admit that there are things in life that I care about, like well-engineered test equipment, and it makes me angry when morons destroy it. It makes me even angrier when they do it to prove how manly they are, exercising THEIR AUTHORI-TAY over it, etc. People are on this list because they like, use, love, are curious about, or whatever, HP test equipment. I think I'm probably not the only one in this 5K-person list that gets angry about crap like this. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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What a fascinatingly stupid discussion. And I will prove it so: Desired, rare, sought after, beloved implies valuable which equals $, money, moolah, cash, cheese or whatever lingo you choose.
?
However I have found the ones who cry the loudest and beat their breast in anguish are the cheapest, stingy-est SOB's on the face of the earth, generally. Not casting aspersions on the folks currently engaged in discussion, as I know you to be fine folks.
?
And there is nothing sacrosanct about test equipment, no matter who makes it. It was designed for an economic life of 5-7 years. The stuff are MERELY tools used to perform a job. And when tools wear out, or are superseded, they are discarded.
?
I have seen literally MOUNTAINS of HP & Tek go to the shredder. Uncle Sam just don't care.
?
And complained about it, have tried to get guys to go in with me to buy the stuff out to save it, move it, store it, but no one with cash, time, energy or SPACE ever steps up.
?
They want to pick it out of the dumpster. Which is fine, god bless you for your luck, but rare.
?
So its no big deal. Really it isnt. We are dinosaurs clinging to our "goodies" which are rapidly becoming not worth the space they take up. My engineering students couldnt care less for these boat anchors. Apartments are small, and costly. And they do not have the attention span to learn how to fix things
?
Take it from someone who still has mountains of the stuff, and realizes that all things eventually "go away".... I just brought back to the school a VERY large pile of TE that was donated, and have realized, while testing some of it, that almost all of it is probably sick or bad, or useless. All while hoping there is enough useful for the labs to have made fetching it (gas and time) worth it.? And there is not enough of me to fix it all.
J.Kruth
In a message dated 11/14/2021 8:21:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, mcguire@... writes:
?
? Ok, I really, really didn't want to entertain your desire for an
argument about this, because I've known people with this attitude
before, but you've made it so I cannot resist.
? Yes, of course, don't be an idiot, you go right ahead and do what you
want with whatever you own, and I will do the same.? But if you own
something that you know is rare, beloved, sought-after, etc etc by other
people, and you destroy it, that makes you an asshole, plain and simple.
? Nothing more.? There is nothing about "slavery" here.? ("Slavery"?
Really?)? Don't read anything else into what I've typed, and I'm not
going to argue with you about it.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
On 11/14/21 6:18 PM, Chuck Harris wrote: > That is just a voluntary restriction you have placed on > yourself by choice.? An owner's prerogative. > > I similarly choose not to beat-up my car with hammers, rocks > and baseball bats...? but I could if it pleased me to do so > for some reason... > > If you want to scrap the instrument and turn it into little > metal shavings, you can, and nobody can do a thing about it. > > That isn't really a custodial relationship. > > I get touchy about this subject because I have seen numerous > cases where people that do not have any stake in some thing, > be it a house, aircraft, computer, test equipment, cars, or > another, attempt to force the owner not to employ that item > in a way that the non-stake holder feels may cause it harm. > > They never seem to have the money to buy out the owner, but > always want control, at the owner's expense. > > -Chuck Harris > > > On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:16:14 +0000 "Dave Wise" < david_wise@...> > wrote: >> I own my instruments, but I am mostly their custodian.? Or steward, >> if you like.? I'm glad to have relationships other than ownership. >> >> Dave Wise >> >> From: [email protected]>> [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck >> Harris via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:51 AM To: >> [email protected] Subject: Re: >> [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Replacing missing button cap(s) - HP >> 339A >> >> I'm not picking a fight, but trying to understand what >> you said. >> >> -Chuck Harris >> >> >> On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:00:04 -0500 "Dave McGuire" >> < mcguire@...> wrote: >>> No, Chuck, I'm not implying that at all. Go pick a fight somewhere >>> else. >>> >>> -Dave >>> >>> On November 14, 2021 8:32:23 AM "Chuck Harris" < cfharris@...> >>> wrote: >>>> Are you implying that materials owned by my company, >>>> and hence me, aren't mine? >>>> >>>> Communism and socialism are based on that very idea. >>>> >>>> The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but >>>> rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings", >>>> carries forward to the logical conclusion that people >>>> are not the owners of their bodies and minds. >>>> >>>> That condition is known as slavery. >>>> >>>> -Chuck Harris >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire" >>>> < mcguire@...> wrote: >>>>> Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that >>>>> people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the >>>>> difference between "ownership" and "custodianship". >>>>> >>>>> -Dave >>>>> >>>>> On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White" >>>>> < madyn@...> wrote: >>>>>> Suits have a different perspective. >>>>>> >>>>>> For a suit..... >>>>>> >>>>>> What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it >>>>>> economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and >>>>>> claim a tax writeoff. >>>>>> >>>>>> They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to >>>>>> anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is >>>>>> the corporate bottom line. >>>>>> >>>>>> For a scrapper? >>>>>> >>>>>> What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless >>>>>> cables I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals? >>>>>> What's the price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get >>>>>> from this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Hobbiests and engineers? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best of luck. >>>>>> >>>>>> Harvey >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: >>>>>>> As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy >>>>>>> crap. I'm guessing suits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io" >>>>>>> <bandrsn= [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste >>>>>>>> bin at work, but not before another piece of equipment was >>>>>>>> dropped in an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which >>>>>>>> was lost. There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch >>>>>>>> post left inside, behind the front panel, and the switch >>>>>>>> stills works fine if poked with a stick, but looks bad. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Questions: >>>>>>>> 1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays? >>>>>>>> 2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight >>>>>>>> off as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample >>>>>>>> with either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas >>>>>>>> for button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying >>>>>>>> another 339A for parts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> -Bruce A., Santa Barbara >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >>>>>>> New Kensington, PA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >>>>> New Kensington, PA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >>> New Kensington, PA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Hello Dave,
sorry to step into the fray here. You are an old friend, and I know how you meant it, and in principle I agree with you.
But, given the current political situation, there are many, many Libs just waiting to pounce on this argument, and take it to the extremes to suit their Lib, anti tech agenda. If we do not watch carefully, all the time, then we wake up in the CHAZ.
Or, like in some countries in Western Europe, where an architect can prevent a legal owner from changing a buildings design because, muh art.
Tam
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On 15.11.21 02:21, Dave McGuire wrote:
? Ok, I really, really didn't want to entertain your desire for an argument about this, because I've known people with this attitude before, but you've made it so I cannot resist.
? Yes, of course, don't be an idiot, you go right ahead and do what you want with whatever you own, and I will do the same.? But if you own something that you know is rare, beloved, sought-after, etc etc by other people, and you destroy it, that makes you an asshole, plain and simple.
? Nothing more.? There is nothing about "slavery" here. ("Slavery"? Really?)? Don't read anything else into what I've typed, and I'm not going to argue with you about it.
????????????? -Dave
On 11/14/21 6:18 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
That is just a voluntary restriction you have placed on
yourself by choice.? An owner's prerogative.
I similarly choose not to beat-up my car with hammers, rocks
and baseball bats...? but I could if it pleased me to do so
for some reason...
If you want to scrap the instrument and turn it into little
metal shavings, you can, and nobody can do a thing about it.
That isn't really a custodial relationship.
I get touchy about this subject because I have seen numerous
cases where people that do not have any stake in some thing,
be it a house, aircraft, computer, test equipment, cars, or
another, attempt to force the owner not to employ that item
in a way that the non-stake holder feels may cause it harm.
They never seem to have the money to buy out the owner, but
always want control, at the owner's expense.
-Chuck Harris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:16:14 +0000 "Dave Wise" <david_wise@...>
wrote:
I own my instruments, but I am mostly their custodian.? Or steward,
if you like.? I'm glad to have relationships other than ownership.
Dave Wise
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck
Harris via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:51 AM To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Replacing missing button cap(s) - HP
339A
I'm not picking a fight, but trying to understand what
you said.
-Chuck Harris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:00:04 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
No, Chuck, I'm not implying that at all. Go pick a fight somewhere
else.
-Dave
On November 14, 2021 8:32:23 AM "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@...>
wrote:
Are you implying that materials owned by my company,
and hence me, aren't mine?
Communism and socialism are based on that very idea.
The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but
rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings",
carries forward to the logical conclusion that people
are not the owners of their bodies and minds.
That condition is known as slavery.
-Chuck Harris
On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that
people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the
difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White"
<madyn@...> wrote:
Suits have a different perspective.
For a suit.....
What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it
economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and
claim a tax writeoff.
They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to
anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is
the corporate bottom line.
For a scrapper?
What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless
cables I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals?
What's the price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get
from this?
Hobbiests and engineers?
Best of luck.
Harvey
On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy
crap. I'm guessing suits.
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io"
<bandrsn@...> wrote:
I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste
bin at work, but not before another piece of equipment was
dropped in an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which
was lost. There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch
post left inside, behind the front panel, and the switch
stills works fine if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
Questions:
1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight
off as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample
with either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas
for button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying
another 339A for parts?
Thanks.
-Bruce A., Santa Barbara --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
|
Ok, I really, really didn't want to entertain your desire for an argument about this, because I've known people with this attitude before, but you've made it so I cannot resist.
Yes, of course, don't be an idiot, you go right ahead and do what you want with whatever you own, and I will do the same. But if you own something that you know is rare, beloved, sought-after, etc etc by other people, and you destroy it, that makes you an asshole, plain and simple.
Nothing more. There is nothing about "slavery" here. ("Slavery"? Really?) Don't read anything else into what I've typed, and I'm not going to argue with you about it.
-Dave
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On 11/14/21 6:18 PM, Chuck Harris wrote: That is just a voluntary restriction you have placed on
yourself by choice. An owner's prerogative.
I similarly choose not to beat-up my car with hammers, rocks
and baseball bats... but I could if it pleased me to do so
for some reason...
If you want to scrap the instrument and turn it into little
metal shavings, you can, and nobody can do a thing about it.
That isn't really a custodial relationship.
I get touchy about this subject because I have seen numerous
cases where people that do not have any stake in some thing,
be it a house, aircraft, computer, test equipment, cars, or
another, attempt to force the owner not to employ that item
in a way that the non-stake holder feels may cause it harm.
They never seem to have the money to buy out the owner, but
always want control, at the owner's expense.
-Chuck Harris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:16:14 +0000 "Dave Wise" <david_wise@...>
wrote:
I own my instruments, but I am mostly their custodian. Or steward,
if you like. I'm glad to have relationships other than ownership.
Dave Wise
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck
Harris via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:51 AM To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Replacing missing button cap(s) - HP
339A
I'm not picking a fight, but trying to understand what
you said.
-Chuck Harris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:00:04 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
No, Chuck, I'm not implying that at all. Go pick a fight somewhere
else.
-Dave
On November 14, 2021 8:32:23 AM "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@...>
wrote:
Are you implying that materials owned by my company,
and hence me, aren't mine?
Communism and socialism are based on that very idea.
The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but
rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings",
carries forward to the logical conclusion that people
are not the owners of their bodies and minds.
That condition is known as slavery.
-Chuck Harris
On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that
people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the
difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White"
<madyn@...> wrote:
Suits have a different perspective.
For a suit.....
What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it
economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and
claim a tax writeoff.
They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to
anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is
the corporate bottom line.
For a scrapper?
What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless
cables I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals?
What's the price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get
from this?
Hobbiests and engineers?
Best of luck.
Harvey
On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy
crap. I'm guessing suits.
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io"
<bandrsn@...> wrote:
I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste
bin at work, but not before another piece of equipment was
dropped in an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which
was lost. There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch
post left inside, behind the front panel, and the switch
stills works fine if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
Questions:
1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight
off as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample
with either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas
for button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying
another 339A for parts?
Thanks.
-Bruce A., Santa Barbara --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
|
hen party......
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On 11/14/2021 5:18 PM, Chuck Harris wrote: That is just a voluntary restriction you have placed on
yourself by choice. An owner's prerogative.
I similarly choose not to beat-up my car with hammers, rocks
and baseball bats... but I could if it pleased me to do so
for some reason...
If you want to scrap the instrument and turn it into little
metal shavings, you can, and nobody can do a thing about it.
That isn't really a custodial relationship.
I get touchy about this subject because I have seen numerous
cases where people that do not have any stake in some thing,
be it a house, aircraft, computer, test equipment, cars, or
another, attempt to force the owner not to employ that item
in a way that the non-stake holder feels may cause it harm.
They never seem to have the money to buy out the owner, but
always want control, at the owner's expense.
-Chuck Harris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:16:14 +0000 "Dave Wise" <david_wise@...>
wrote:
I own my instruments, but I am mostly their custodian. Or steward,
if you like. I'm glad to have relationships other than ownership.
Dave Wise
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck
Harris via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:51 AM To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Replacing missing button cap(s) - HP
339A
I'm not picking a fight, but trying to understand what
you said.
-Chuck Harris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:00:04 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
No, Chuck, I'm not implying that at all. Go pick a fight somewhere
else.
-Dave
On November 14, 2021 8:32:23 AM "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@...>
wrote:
Are you implying that materials owned by my company,
and hence me, aren't mine?
Communism and socialism are based on that very idea.
The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but
rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings",
carries forward to the logical conclusion that people
are not the owners of their bodies and minds.
That condition is known as slavery.
-Chuck Harris
On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that
people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the
difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White"
<madyn@...> wrote:
Suits have a different perspective.
For a suit.....
What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it
economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and
claim a tax writeoff.
They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to
anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is
the corporate bottom line.
For a scrapper?
What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless
cables I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals?
What's the price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get
from this?
Hobbiests and engineers?
Best of luck.
Harvey
On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy
crap. I'm guessing suits.
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io"
<bandrsn@...> wrote:
I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste
bin at work, but not before another piece of equipment was
dropped in an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which
was lost. There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch
post left inside, behind the front panel, and the switch
stills works fine if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
Questions:
1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight
off as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample
with either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas
for button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying
another 339A for parts?
Thanks.
-Bruce A., Santa Barbara --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
|
That is just a voluntary restriction you have placed on yourself by choice. An owner's prerogative. I similarly choose not to beat-up my car with hammers, rocks and baseball bats... but I could if it pleased me to do so for some reason... If you want to scrap the instrument and turn it into little metal shavings, you can, and nobody can do a thing about it. That isn't really a custodial relationship. I get touchy about this subject because I have seen numerous cases where people that do not have any stake in some thing, be it a house, aircraft, computer, test equipment, cars, or another, attempt to force the owner not to employ that item in a way that the non-stake holder feels may cause it harm. They never seem to have the money to buy out the owner, but always want control, at the owner's expense. -Chuck Harris On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:16:14 +0000 "Dave Wise" <david_wise@...> wrote: I own my instruments, but I am mostly their custodian. Or steward,
if you like. I'm glad to have relationships other than ownership.
Dave Wise
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck
Harris via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:51 AM To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Replacing missing button cap(s) - HP
339A
I'm not picking a fight, but trying to understand what
you said.
-Chuck Harris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:00:04 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
No, Chuck, I'm not implying that at all. Go pick a fight somewhere
else.
-Dave
On November 14, 2021 8:32:23 AM "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@...>
wrote:
Are you implying that materials owned by my company,
and hence me, aren't mine?
Communism and socialism are based on that very idea.
The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but
rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings",
carries forward to the logical conclusion that people
are not the owners of their bodies and minds.
That condition is known as slavery.
-Chuck Harris
On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that
people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the
difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White"
<madyn@...> wrote:
Suits have a different perspective.
For a suit.....
What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it
economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and
claim a tax writeoff.
They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to
anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is
the corporate bottom line.
For a scrapper?
What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless
cables I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals?
What's the price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get
from this?
Hobbiests and engineers?
Best of luck.
Harvey
On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy
crap. I'm guessing suits.
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io"
<bandrsn@...> wrote:
I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste
bin at work, but not before another piece of equipment was
dropped in an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which
was lost. There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch
post left inside, behind the front panel, and the switch
stills works fine if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
Questions:
1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight
off as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample
with either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas
for button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying
another 339A for parts?
Thanks.
-Bruce A., Santa Barbara --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
|
We are all just temporary custodians and bragging rights will seize when we do. 73 ¨C Mike ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wise
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 12:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Replacing missing button cap(s) - HP 339A? I own my instruments, but I am mostly their custodian.? Or steward, if you like.? I¡¯m glad to have relationships other than ownership. ? Dave Wise ? ? I'm not picking a fight, but trying to understand what
you said.
-Chuck Harris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:00:04 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
> No, Chuck, I'm not implying that at all. Go pick a fight somewhere
> else.
>
> -Dave
>
> On November 14, 2021 8:32:23 AM "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@...>
> wrote:
> > Are you implying that materials owned by my company,
> > and hence me, aren't mine?
> >
> > Communism and socialism are based on that very idea.
> >
> > The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but
> > rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings",
> > carries forward to the logical conclusion that people
> > are not the owners of their bodies and minds.
> >
> > That condition is known as slavery.
> >
> > -Chuck Harris
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
> > <mcguire@...> wrote:
> >> Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that
> >> people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the
> >> difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
> >>
> >> -Dave
> >>
> >> On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White"
> >> <madyn@...> wrote:
> >>> Suits have a different perspective.
> >>>
> >>> For a suit.....
> >>>
> >>> What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it
> >>> economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and
> >>> claim a tax writeoff.
> >>>
> >>> They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to
> >>> anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is
> >>> the corporate bottom line.
> >>>
> >>> For a scrapper?
> >>>
> >>> What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless
> >>> cables I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals?
> >>> What's the price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get
> >>> from this?
> >>>
> >>> Hobbiests and engineers?
> >>>
> >>> Best of luck.
> >>>
> >>> Harvey
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
> >>>> As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy
> >>>> crap. I'm guessing suits.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Dave
> >>>>
> >>>> On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io"
> >>>> <bandrsn@...> wrote:
> >>>>> I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste bin
> >>>>> at work, but not before another piece of equipment was dropped
> >>>>> in an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which was lost.
> >>>>> There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch post left
> >>>>> inside, behind the front panel, and the switch stills works fine
> >>>>> if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Questions:
> >>>>> 1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
> >>>>> 2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight
> >>>>> off as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample
> >>>>> with either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas
> >>>>> for button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying
> >>>>> another 339A for parts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>> -Bruce A., Santa Barbara
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> >>>> New Kensington, PA
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> >> New Kensington, PA
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
|
On Saturday 13 November 2021 07:06:06 pm Dave McGuire wrote:
As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy crap. I'm guessing suits.
-Dave
A testament to the ill effects of neckties! On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io" <bandrsn@...> wrote:
I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste bin at work, but not before another piece of equipment was dropped in an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which was lost. There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch post left inside, behind the front panel, and the switch stills works fine if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
Questions:
1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight off as a sample?
3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample with either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer?
4. Any other ideas for button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying another 339A for parts?
Thanks.
-Bruce A., Santa Barbara --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
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?
Dave Wise
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Chuck Harris via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Replacing missing button cap(s) - HP 339A
?
I'm not picking a fight, but trying to understand what
you said.
-Chuck Harris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:00:04 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
> No, Chuck, I'm not implying that at all. Go pick a fight somewhere
> else.
>
> -Dave
>
> On November 14, 2021 8:32:23 AM "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@...>
> wrote:
> > Are you implying that materials owned by my company,
> > and hence me, aren't mine?
> >
> > Communism and socialism are based on that very idea.
> >
> > The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but
> > rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings",
> > carries forward to the logical conclusion that people
> > are not the owners of their bodies and minds.
> >
> > That condition is known as slavery.
> >
> > -Chuck Harris
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
> > <mcguire@...> wrote:
> >> Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that
> >> people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the
> >> difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
> >>
> >> -Dave
> >>
> >> On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White"
> >> <madyn@...> wrote:
> >>> Suits have a different perspective.
> >>>
> >>> For a suit.....
> >>>
> >>> What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it
> >>> economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and
> >>> claim a tax writeoff.
> >>>
> >>> They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to
> >>> anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is
> >>> the corporate bottom line.
> >>>
> >>> For a scrapper?
> >>>
> >>> What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless
> >>> cables I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals?
> >>> What's the price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get
> >>> from this?
> >>>
> >>> Hobbiests and engineers?
> >>>
> >>> Best of luck.
> >>>
> >>> Harvey
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
> >>>> As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy
> >>>> crap. I'm guessing suits.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Dave
> >>>>
> >>>> On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io"
> >>>> <bandrsn@...> wrote:
> >>>>> I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste bin
> >>>>> at work, but not before another piece of equipment was dropped
> >>>>> in an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which was lost.
> >>>>> There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch post left
> >>>>> inside, behind the front panel, and the switch stills works fine
> >>>>> if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Questions:
> >>>>> 1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
> >>>>> 2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight
> >>>>> off as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample
> >>>>> with either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas
> >>>>> for button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying
> >>>>> another 339A for parts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>> -Bruce A., Santa Barbara
> >>>>
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> >>>> New Kensington, PA
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I'm not picking a fight, but trying to understand what you said. -Chuck Harris On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:00:04 -0500 "Dave McGuire" <mcguire@...> wrote: No, Chuck, I'm not implying that at all. Go pick a fight somewhere
else.
-Dave
On November 14, 2021 8:32:23 AM "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@...>
wrote:
Are you implying that materials owned by my company,
and hence me, aren't mine?
Communism and socialism are based on that very idea.
The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but
rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings",
carries forward to the logical conclusion that people
are not the owners of their bodies and minds.
That condition is known as slavery.
-Chuck Harris
On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that
people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the
difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White"
<madyn@...> wrote:
Suits have a different perspective.
For a suit.....
What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it
economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and
claim a tax writeoff.
They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to
anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is
the corporate bottom line.
For a scrapper?
What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless
cables I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals?
What's the price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get
from this?
Hobbiests and engineers?
Best of luck.
Harvey
On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy
crap. I'm guessing suits.
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io"
<bandrsn@...> wrote:
I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste bin
at work, but not before another piece of equipment was dropped
in an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which was lost.
There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch post left
inside, behind the front panel, and the switch stills works fine
if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
Questions:
1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight
off as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample
with either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas
for button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying
another 339A for parts?
Thanks.
-Bruce A., Santa Barbara --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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On the subject of knobs.
If you have a dead/cracked knob, or access to a lathe, you can get the insert.? Aluminum will work equally well.? They knurled the knob insert.
Print the knob so that the center hole is very slightly smaller than the insert, but only by, say 10 thousandths.
Since the plastic has a relatively low melting point, all you need to do is to orient it properly (or not, you can thread the insert once put in).? Heat the insert gently, and push it in.? You may want a fixture to do this to keep the centers aligned and the shaft perpendicular.
Tek molded the knob around the insert.
Harvey
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On 11/14/2021 7:53 AM, tony sayer wrote: In message <[email protected]>, Larry McElhiney via
groups.io <lmcelhiney@...> writes
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 08:16 PM, Harvey White wrote:
If so, throw it away and claim a tax writeoff. tend to depreciate expensive equipment while it is in use?in order
to take the tax write off. ?When it is fully depreciated,
it can only be scrapped or donated, not sold. ?Otherwise, IRS gets
annoyed…
Very ecologically sound that, wonder if it was discussed at COP26?
suspect not!..
Magnus, Thanks for pointing out the right name of the suppliers a few
posts back, I reckon i too their entire supply of QTY 4 off 339A
knobs:).
Whilst on that subject those comprise of a Brass metal core and a
plastic moulding around them. Is it possible to use a 3D printer to go
over the brass metal former to "print" up a complete control knob at
all?...
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No, Chuck, I'm not implying that at all. Go pick a fight somewhere else. -Dave On November 14, 2021 8:32:23 AM "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@...> wrote: Are you implying that materials owned by my company,
and hence me, aren't mine?
Communism and socialism are based on that very idea.
The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but
rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings",
carries forward to the logical conclusion that people
are not the owners of their bodies and minds.
That condition is known as slavery.
-Chuck Harris
On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that
people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the
difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White"
<madyn@...> wrote:
Suits have a different perspective.
For a suit.....
What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it
economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and claim
a tax writeoff.
They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to
anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is
the corporate bottom line.
For a scrapper?
What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless cables
I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals? What's the
price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get from this?
Hobbiests and engineers?
Best of luck.
Harvey
On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy
crap. I'm guessing suits.
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io"
<bandrsn@...> wrote:
I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste bin
at work, but not before another piece of equipment was dropped in
an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which was lost.
There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch post left
inside, behind the front panel, and the switch stills works fine
if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
Questions:
1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight off
as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample with
either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas for
button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying another
339A for parts?
Thanks.
-Bruce A., Santa Barbara --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Are you implying that materials owned by my company, and hence me, aren't mine? Communism and socialism are based on that very idea. The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings", carries forward to the logical conclusion that people are not the owners of their bodies and minds. That condition is known as slavery. -Chuck Harris On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire" <mcguire@...> wrote: Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that
people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the
difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White"
<madyn@...> wrote:
Suits have a different perspective.
For a suit.....
What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it
economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and claim
a tax writeoff.
They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to
anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is
the corporate bottom line.
For a scrapper?
What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless cables
I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals? What's the
price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get from this?
Hobbiests and engineers?
Best of luck.
Harvey
On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy
crap. I'm guessing suits.
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io"
<bandrsn@...> wrote:
I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste bin
at work, but not before another piece of equipment was dropped in
an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which was lost.
There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch post left
inside, behind the front panel, and the switch stills works fine
if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
Questions:
1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight off
as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample with
either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas for
button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying another
339A for parts?
Thanks.
-Bruce A., Santa Barbara --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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