Hello Dave,
sorry to step into the fray here. You are an old friend, and I know how you meant it, and in principle I agree with you.
But, given the current political situation, there are many, many Libs just waiting to pounce on this argument, and take it to the extremes to suit their Lib, anti tech agenda. If we do not watch carefully, all the time, then we wake up in the CHAZ.
Or, like in some countries in Western Europe, where an architect can prevent a legal owner from changing a buildings design because, muh art.
Tam
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On 15.11.21 02:21, Dave McGuire wrote:
? Ok, I really, really didn't want to entertain your desire for an argument about this, because I've known people with this attitude before, but you've made it so I cannot resist.
? Yes, of course, don't be an idiot, you go right ahead and do what you want with whatever you own, and I will do the same.? But if you own something that you know is rare, beloved, sought-after, etc etc by other people, and you destroy it, that makes you an asshole, plain and simple.
? Nothing more.? There is nothing about "slavery" here. ("Slavery"? Really?)? Don't read anything else into what I've typed, and I'm not going to argue with you about it.
????????????? -Dave
On 11/14/21 6:18 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
That is just a voluntary restriction you have placed on
yourself by choice.? An owner's prerogative.
I similarly choose not to beat-up my car with hammers, rocks
and baseball bats...? but I could if it pleased me to do so
for some reason...
If you want to scrap the instrument and turn it into little
metal shavings, you can, and nobody can do a thing about it.
That isn't really a custodial relationship.
I get touchy about this subject because I have seen numerous
cases where people that do not have any stake in some thing,
be it a house, aircraft, computer, test equipment, cars, or
another, attempt to force the owner not to employ that item
in a way that the non-stake holder feels may cause it harm.
They never seem to have the money to buy out the owner, but
always want control, at the owner's expense.
-Chuck Harris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:16:14 +0000 "Dave Wise" <david_wise@...>
wrote:
I own my instruments, but I am mostly their custodian.? Or steward,
if you like.? I'm glad to have relationships other than ownership.
Dave Wise
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck
Harris via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:51 AM To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Replacing missing button cap(s) - HP
339A
I'm not picking a fight, but trying to understand what
you said.
-Chuck Harris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:00:04 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
No, Chuck, I'm not implying that at all. Go pick a fight somewhere
else.
-Dave
On November 14, 2021 8:32:23 AM "Chuck Harris" <cfharris@...>
wrote:
Are you implying that materials owned by my company,
and hence me, aren't mine?
Communism and socialism are based on that very idea.
The belief that personal ownership does not exist, but
rather people only have stewardship of their "belongings",
carries forward to the logical conclusion that people
are not the owners of their bodies and minds.
That condition is known as slavery.
-Chuck Harris
On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:59:30 -0500 "Dave McGuire"
<mcguire@...> wrote:
Oh, I'm very much aware. (not my first BBQ) The problem is that
people in general, but suits in particular, don't understand the
difference between "ownership" and "custodianship".
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 8:16:09 PM "Harvey White"
<madyn@...> wrote:
Suits have a different perspective.
For a suit.....
What is this asset? Does it cost too much to have? Is it
economical for us to get rid of it? If so, throw it away and
claim a tax writeoff.
They're not paid to consider the intrinsic value of that to
anybody. It doesn't contribute to how they are judged, which is
the corporate bottom line.
For a scrapper?
What are the pieces worth? What can I get for these useless
cables I've cut off, they're all copper, aren't they? Manuals?
What's the price of used paper per ton? How much gold can I get
from this?
Hobbiests and engineers?
Best of luck.
Harvey
On 11/13/2021 7:06 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
As much as those things are worth, someone trashed one? Holy
crap. I'm guessing suits.
-Dave
On November 13, 2021 3:18:27 PM "bandrsn via groups.io"
<bandrsn@...> wrote:
I rescued a nice HP 339A distortion analyzer from an e-waste
bin at work, but not before another piece of equipment was
dropped in an sheared off the 400Hz filter button cap, which
was lost. There is about 1/8 inch of the push-button switch
post left inside, behind the front panel, and the switch
stills works fine if poked with a stick, but looks bad.
Questions:
1. Is there any source for the grey cap nowadays?
2. Could a remaining button cap next to it be pulled straight
off as a sample? 3. Has anyone made a new button from a sample
with either epoxy in a mold or 3D printer? 4. Any other ideas
for button cap repair/replacement I'm missing besides buying
another 339A for parts?
Thanks.
-Bruce A., Santa Barbara --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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New Kensington, PA
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