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I've had multiple businesses through the years - of all varieties, LLC, Corp C, Corp B, etc. - and given it's relatively easy in the US to start a business (though it varies state by state, including the cost obligations, which being yearly, can dramatically impact the calculations along other considerations), and that it's trivial to purchase?a domain and offer a more professional face, I never felt much of an nuisance to have at least one of the two (the latter) active, even if the first may have lapsed given which state I was living in and other contingencies.? Obviously, there's more foul stuff being described here than what just that would cure (and it reinforces my decision against considering Keysight for some new equipment buys, when I occasionally?considered this, and instead stay the course of repairing and restoring their incredible old products, frequently with the amazing help of communities such as this). But having a business email address is, in my opinion, a baseline requirement for dealing with any professional entity (essentially, as equals), and again, an easily achievable and at a very low cost exigency. I just mean to say it's an easy aspect to get out of the way. Having a website hasn't been something I've always had the resources or the time to provide myself with, and I feel KS specifically checking on that crosses into nitpicking territory. I've dealt with completely legit outfits in my professional life (contractors, even consultants, etc.) that never had a website for their firm. I've been getting, at times, three to thirteen calls a week by different parties to build it for me though.?
Others have described, here and elsewhere, the wild variations of how these large entities interact with some of us here (contacting them from our garage or corporate lab). A standout for me is Fluke, which will swifthly get you to at least their customer relations?engineer (I forget the exact title), who will talk to you with not even a whiff of a hint they object to spending their time having that conversation, follow up duly, investigate internally when that's warranted, etc. Just outstandingly professional, competent, respectful, and helpful communication. Both Keysight and Fluke (but not R&S, as far as I'm aware...) are honorable enough they provide PDFs of SMs, the "old enough" component-level, for most/all of their old units (though I wish their quality would be better, which seems to be such an easy thing to improve on), but the rest of it is wildly divergent. Unfortunately, this also means at least Keysight - and I feel, probably, also Tektronix, though I have much less knowledge of them as things stand today - is digging a hole for themselves during incredibly competitive times and no one can really predict where we're heading. Just running on the cache of their past value and history, even if they still make some of the best and most sophisticated pieces of equipment and instrumentation out there, in my opinion, just means time will be the great equalizer. We've seen the Siglents and the Rigols and the rest of the pack catching up year by year by year.? Radu.?
Keysight will repair the E44xx series of sensors but at a very high cost. I had one repaired in February at a cost of ?1560 inc VAT with a 90 warranty.? Still cheaper than an unknown on eBay but painful. They only deal with me because I set up a company? just to get a few DMMs calibrated. A job they had been happily doing for years until the change of policy.?
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On 9/4/24 06:05, Michael A. Terrell wrote: 'Princess Fiorina' was a Ferengi! I always suspected. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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"Customer goodwill" used to be considered an intangible but the new B-school scheme is to directly monetize that in the short term ignoring long term effects.? Another words, monetize past reputation and goodwill to improve this quarter's bottom line regardless of whether that destroys the goodwill.
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On 9/4/2024 9:26 AM, Radu Bogdan Dicher via groups.io wrote: I've had multiple businesses through the years - of all varieties, LLC, Corp C, Corp B, etc. - and given it's relatively easy in the US to start a business (though it varies state by state, including the cost obligations, which being yearly, can dramatically impact the calculations along other considerations), and that it's trivial to purchase?a domain and offer a more professional face, I never felt much of an nuisance to have at least one of the two (the latter) active, even if the first may have lapsed given which state I was living in and other contingencies.
Obviously, there's more foul stuff being described here than what just that would cure (and it reinforces my decision against considering Keysight for some new equipment buys, when I occasionally?considered this, and instead stay the course of repairing and restoring their incredible old products, frequently with the amazing help of communities such as this). But having a business email address is, in my opinion, a baseline requirement for dealing with any professional entity (essentially, as equals), and again, an easily achievable and at a very low cost exigency. I just mean to say it's an easy aspect to get out of the way. Having a website hasn't been something I've always had the resources or the time to provide myself with, and I feel KS specifically checking on that crosses into nitpicking territory. I've dealt with completely legit outfits in my professional life (contractors, even consultants, etc.) that never had a website for their firm. I've been getting, at times, three to thirteen calls a week by different parties to build it for me though.
Others have described, here and elsewhere, the wild variations of how these large entities interact with some of us here (contacting them from our garage or corporate lab). A standout for me is Fluke, which will swifthly get you to at least their customer relations?engineer (I forget the exact title), who will talk to you with not even a whiff of a hint they object to spending their time having that conversation, follow up duly, investigate internally when that's warranted, etc. Just outstandingly professional, competent, respectful, and helpful communication. Both Keysight and Fluke (but not R&S, as far as I'm aware...) are honorable enough they provide PDFs of SMs, the "old enough" component-level, for most/all of their old units (though I wish their quality would be better, which seems to be such an easy thing to improve on), but the rest of it is wildly divergent. Unfortunately, this also means at least Keysight - and I feel, probably, also Tektronix, though I have much less knowledge of them as things stand today - is digging a hole for themselves during incredibly competitive times and no one can really predict where we're heading. Just running on the cache of their past value and history, even if they still make some of the best and most sophisticated pieces of equipment and instrumentation out there, in my opinion, just means time will be the great equalizer. We've seen the Siglents and the Rigols and the rest of the pack catching up year by year by year.
Radu.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 5:44?AM oldtestgear via groups.io <> <phil@...> wrote:
Keysight will repair the E44xx series of sensors but at a very high cost.
I had one repaired in February at a cost of ?1560 inc VAT with a 90
warranty.? Still cheaper than an unknown on eBay but painful. They only
deal with me because I set up a company? just to get a few DMMs
calibrated. A job they had been happily doing for years until the change
of policy.
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I found myself on the flip side of what Peter was saying - I created a Keysight account years ago and used my personal email - Have had zero problems getting services & parts from Keysight but they absolutely wouldn't change my email from my personal Hotmail one to my company email - They said I'd need to recreate the account, lose all the service history and cal documents, effectively starting over again...
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What I suspect they did was to decide that "we only deal with verified business accounts" and to make the change easier they just designated all current accounts in their system as "verified business accounts" - Absolutely no proof but it is a simple theory for what I see happening to other people.
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On Tuesday 03 September 2024 04:22:30 pm Harold Foster wrote: If you are *not* a large corporate client you can pretty much give up on it.? A fairly long discussion was here:
While keysight no doubt has what, to them, are valid reasons to completely abandon and non corporate customer I personally feel that this is quite short sighted of them especially considering that there are many. many alternatives that have equal if not better performance - with excellent customer service for *all* buyers and all at a fraction of the cost.? Even in the corporate world, the smaller entities seem to be increasingly marginalized over the larger clients.? In the above post I believe that I mentioned someone who was very much ignored by Keysight over multiple occasions when trying to work out an issue with a piece of equipment that they bought for their personal use; unfortunately for Keysight, they also happened to be very influential with the equipment requirements for a rather large project and Keysight was dropped in favor of other vendors.? To the best of my knowledge that has, to date, cost Keysight well into the 8 figures.? For a company as large as Keysight that might not exactly be a case of shooting yourself in the foot but it should at least count as dropping a hammer on your toe. Somebody should have let them know that this happened... While I absolutely love restoring and using my vintage HP equipment, all my new stuff is from Keithley, Tektronix, Siglent and so forth and I couldn't be happier or more satisfied with it's performance. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
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On Tuesday 03 September 2024 05:46:54 pm Dave McGuire wrote: On September 3, 2024 5:45:47 PM "Russ Whale WA7MLW" <rwhale9@...> wrote:
Back when they were still Agilent, I bought a loaded E4404b Spectrum analyzer Around $50 US. No problem. A few years later I needed to replace
the Dallas battery/memory chip. I ordered one from their website. Thinking 'no problem' since it took my credit card. Nope, a week later I get an email
saying they won't sell to me unless my email domain matches a company name with the same domain. No gmail. After a couple of back and forths, I
ordered it from Digikey (less money even). Still they send me a few emails each week trying to sell me new equipment. Go figure. Suits. That oughta be a swear word... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
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On 9/4/24 14:33, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: On Tuesday 03 September 2024 05:46:54 pm Dave McGuire wrote:
On September 3, 2024 5:45:47 PM "Russ Whale WA7MLW" <rwhale9@...> wrote:
Back when they were still Agilent, I bought a loaded E4404b Spectrum analyzer Around $50 US. No problem. A few years later I needed to replace
the Dallas battery/memory chip. I ordered one from their website. Thinking 'no problem' since it took my credit card. Nope, a week later I get an email
saying they won't sell to me unless my email domain matches a company name with the same domain. No gmail. After a couple of back and forths, I
ordered it from Digikey (less money even). Still they send me a few emails each week trying to sell me new equipment. Go figure. Suits. That oughta be a swear word... It is. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 01:18 PM, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
Somebody should have let them know that this happened...
I am fairly sure that *someone* got an earful over it as the person affected is not one, I've been told, to mince words when they are irritated.? The thing is, I'm afraid, that the one hearing it is also one of the ones whom is somewhat responsible for the original treatment that they received - a typical manager that has risen to their level of incompetence. And I think that it's very true that as mentioned previously in the thread Keysight's Powers-that-Be are, as is becoming typical of such corporations, much more focused on the immediate profits (and resultant bonuses) and not so much on the future financial health of the company (AKA: A Future Person's Problem.)? To me, though, Keysight is relying on their name (or, more accurately, HP's reputation) to keep generating sales when they really have no competitive or innovative products to justify that - other than the 3458A of course.? And Fluke just came out with what could very much be a reasonable alternative to that legend.? HP was a truly innovative and legendary company that was a product of the views and integrity of Bill and Dave (as was Howard Vollum's Tektronix) but can only not be considered a textbook example of "Suicide by Suits."
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On September 4, 2024 2:48:59 PM "Harold Foster" <halfoster@...> wrote: Somebody should have let them know that this happened... I am fairly sure that *someone* got an earful over it as the person affected is not one, I've been told, to mince words when they are irritated. The thing is, I'm afraid, that the one hearing it is also one of the ones whom is somewhat responsible for the original treatment that they received - a typical manager that has risen to their level of incompetence. And I think that it's very true that as mentioned previously in the thread Keysight's Powers-that-Be are, as is becoming typical of such corporations, much more focused on the immediate profits (and resultant bonuses) and not so much on the future financial health of the company (AKA: A Future Person's Problem.) To me, though, Keysight is relying on their name (or, more accurately, HP's reputation) to keep generating sales when they really have no competitive or innovative products to justify that - other than the 3458A of course. And Fluke just came out with what could very much be a reasonable alternative to that legend. HP was a truly innovative and legendary company that was a product of the views and integrity of Bill and Dave (as was Howard Vollum's Tektronix) but can only not be considered a textbook example of "Suicide by Suits."
And now Boeing, with actual deaths involved. I was thinking maybe now people would sit up and take notice of the suit problem. But apparently not. They absolve themselves of any responsibility for this behavior by saying "It's just business". -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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it is in my vocabulary
too! usually preceded with a descriptive modifier
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On 9/4/24 11:19 AM, Dave McGuire via
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9/4/24 14:33, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
On Tuesday 03 September 2024 05:46:54 pm
Dave McGuire wrote:
On September 3, 2024 5:45:47 PM "Russ
Whale WA7MLW" <rwhale9@...> wrote:
Back when they were still Agilent, I
bought a loaded E4404b Spectrum analyzer Around $50 US. No
problem. A few years later I needed to replace
the Dallas battery/memory chip. I ordered one from their
website. Thinking 'no problem' since it took my credit card.
Nope, a week later I get an email
saying they won't sell to me unless my email domain matches
a company name with the same domain. No gmail. After a
couple of back and forths, I
ordered it from Digikey (less money even). Still they send
me a few emails each week trying to sell me new equipment.
Go figure.
??? Suits.
That oughta be a swear word...
? It is.
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Yup. I was just being polite. -Dave On September 4, 2024 8:54:52 PM 搁别苍é别 <k6fsb.1@...> wrote: it is in my vocabulary too! usually preceded with a descriptive modifier
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On 9/4/24 11:19 AM, Dave McGuire via groups.io wrote:
On 9/4/24 14:33, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
On Tuesday 03 September 2024 05:46:54 pm Dave McGuire wrote:
On September 3, 2024 5:45:47 PM "Russ Whale WA7MLW"
<rwhale9@...> wrote:
Back when they were still Agilent, I bought a loaded E4404b
Spectrum analyzer Around $50 US. No problem. A few years later I
needed to replace
the Dallas battery/memory chip. I ordered one from their website.
Thinking 'no problem' since it took my credit card. Nope, a week
later I get an email
saying they won't sell to me unless my email domain matches a
company name with the same domain. No gmail. After a couple of back
and forths, I
ordered it from Digikey (less money even). Still they send me a few
emails each week trying to sell me new equipment. Go figure. Suits. That oughta be a swear word... It is.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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C'mon, Dave. Tell us how you really feel.
? Yup. I was just being polite.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
On September 4, 2024 8:54:52 PM 搁别苍é别 <k6fsb.1@...> wrote:
> it is in my vocabulary too! usually preceded with a descriptive modifier
> 搁别苍é别
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> On 9/4/24 11:19 AM, Dave McGuire via wrote:
>> On 9/4/24 14:33, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 03 September 2024 05:46:54 pm Dave McGuire wrote:
>>>> On September 3, 2024 5:45:47 PM "Russ Whale WA7MLW"
>>>> <rwhale9@...> wrote:
>>>>> Back when they were still Agilent, I bought a loaded E4404b
>>>>> Spectrum analyzer Around $50 US. No problem. A few years later I
>>>>> needed to replace
>>>>> the Dallas battery/memory chip. I ordered one from their website.
>>>>> Thinking 'no problem' since it took my credit card. Nope, a week
>>>>> later I get an email
>>>>> saying they won't sell to me unless my email domain matches a
>>>>> company name with the same domain. No gmail. After a couple of back
>>>>> and forths, I
>>>>> ordered it from Digikey (less money even). Still they send me a few
>>>>> emails each week trying to sell me new equipment. Go figure.
>>>>
>>>>? ? Suits.
>>>
>>> That oughta be a swear word...
>>
>>? It is.
>>
>>? ? -Dave
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On 9/4/24 22:04, Radu Bogdan Dicher wrote: C'mon, Dave. Tell us how you really feel.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 6:46 PM Dave McGuire via groups.io <> <mcguire@... <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
? Yup. I was just being polite.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
On September 4, 2024 8:54:52 PM 搁别苍é别 <k6fsb.1@...
<mailto:k6fsb.1@...>> wrote:
> it is in my vocabulary too! usually preceded with a descriptive
modifier
> 搁别苍é别
>
> On 9/4/24 11:19 AM, Dave McGuire via groups.io <>
wrote:
>> On 9/4/24 14:33, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 03 September 2024 05:46:54 pm Dave McGuire wrote:
>>>> On September 3, 2024 5:45:47 PM "Russ Whale WA7MLW"
>>>> <rwhale9@... <mailto:rwhale9@...>> wrote:
>>>>> Back when they were still Agilent, I bought a loaded E4404b
>>>>> Spectrum analyzer Around $50 US. No problem. A few years later I
>>>>> needed to replace
>>>>> the Dallas battery/memory chip. I ordered one from their website.
>>>>> Thinking 'no problem' since it took my credit card. Nope, a week
>>>>> later I get an email
>>>>> saying they won't sell to me unless my email domain matches a
>>>>> company name with the same domain. No gmail. After a couple
of back
>>>>> and forths, I
>>>>> ordered it from Digikey (less money even). Still they send me
a few
>>>>> emails each week trying to sell me new equipment. Go figure.
>>>>
>>>>? ? Suits.
>>>
>>> That oughta be a swear word...
>>
>>? It is.
>>
>>? ? -Dave
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Dear All,
Let’s not get too carried away- Keysight has several T&M products that have the highest performance available from any company, worldwide- examples include the 110 GHz Lightwave Components Analyser and the 256 Gs/s Arbitrary Waveform Generator.
Keysight is under pressure, especially from Rohde & Schwarz, in the general signal generator, spectrum analyser and vector network analyser areas.
Inevitably, since China is where most of the world’s electronics manufacturing now takes place, China’s T&M products are advancing rapidly.
The general point about manufacturing companies being managed by people who know nothing about what the companies make is well made, but it seems to be the way of the financial world that in the West does not much like manufacturing, as the ROI is lower than can be got from corporate actions, juicing and restructuring.
As a banker said to me over a good lunch many years ago. “You know, my experience over many years has been that the best way to make money is to take it off other people.”
That’s the capitalist/state capitalist system which, like the weather, will always be with us.
Regards,
Alwyn
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SynOptika Ltd.,
114 Beaufort Street,
London,
SW3 6BU,
England.
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Re:? - Absolutely no proof but it is a simple theory for what I see happening to other people.
Pretty crass IMO, as even with the old DOS based database (Informix SmartWare!) we used at the ex works for decades, and even the newer (but utterly crappy) out of date Microsoft AX system,? we could go in and update/change or remove stale information such as contact names, phone numbers and so on.
I think the only thing we couldn't do on the newer AX system, was change the company name.? And yes that was an issue when companies merged or were bought out by another causing a name change...
Dave B.
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Look at Duracell.
Another suit problem.
Prior to being bought by Proctor and Gamble, they had a very good
product with a good reputation.
Now the batteries leak in the packaging prior to installation in a
product.
I now will not allow Duracell batteries in my house.
Glenn
On 9/4/2024 4:21 PM, Dave McGuire
wrote:
On September 4, 2024 2:48:59 PM "Harold Foster" <halfoster@...> wrote:
Somebody should have let them know that this happened...
I am fairly sure that *someone* got an earful over it as the person affected is not one, I've been told, to mince words when they are irritated. The thing is, I'm afraid, that the one hearing it is also one of the ones whom is somewhat responsible for the original treatment that they received - a typical manager that has risen to their level of incompetence. And I think that it's very true that as mentioned previously in the thread Keysight's Powers-that-Be are, as is becoming typical of such corporations, much more focused on the immediate profits (and resultant bonuses) and not so much on the future financial health of the company (AKA: A Future Person's Problem.) To me, though, Keysight is relying on their name (or, more accurately, HP's reputation) to keep generating sales when they really have no competitive or innovative products to justify that - other than the 3458A of course. And Fluke just came out with what could very much be a reasonable alternative to that legend. HP was a truly innovative and legendary company that was a product of the views and integrity of Bill and Dave (as was Howard Vollum's Tektronix) but can only not be considered a textbook example of "Suicide by Suits."
And now Boeing, with actual deaths involved. I was thinking maybe now people would sit up and take notice of the suit problem. But apparently not.
They absolve themselves of any responsibility for this behavior by saying "It's just business".
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
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Everything you say is true.
I worked at Mallory back when Duracell was their brand name for cells (Mallory also made other components like pots).? I worked in R&D on lithium sulfur dioxide primary cells like used in the military BA-5590 batteries.
Back then they had manufacturing plants in NC and I worked in North Tarrytown NY.? Their HQ was nearby in Tarrytown, just over the line from Irvington.
Everyone there took great pride in their cells which at the time were considered among, if not the, best made in the world.? Special attention was paid to the seals to prevent leakage and damage to devices (they even had a warranty they honored).? The idea was to build the best possible product and consumers would pay the slight premium for the added performance and freedom from damaging leaks. Significant customer goodwill had been built over decades.
When the company was bought the other component manufacturing was shut down to concentrate on cells as that was where the profit was. Understandable and justifiable as the times were changing.
But the aim of the "suits" is to monetize customer goodwill into improved quarterly results, "shareholder value."? This is done by moving more money into marketing and cutting costs in manufacturing.? Any money spent in engineering is to drive out costs not improve the product.? Over time the quality is pushed so far down that the old reputation of the brand is the main force driving sales and products become overpriced crap.
What we are left with is but a hollow shell of what was once a proud, solid product.
This will happen to any company taken over by suits aka bean counters.
Do not allow Duracells into your house.
Peter
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On 9/5/2024 7:32 AM, Glenn Little via groups.io wrote: Look at Duracell.
Another suit problem.
Prior to being bought by Proctor and Gamble, they had a very good product with a good reputation.
Now the batteries leak in the packaging prior to installation in a product.
I now will not allow Duracell batteries in my house.
Glenn
On 9/4/2024 4:21 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On September 4, 2024 2:48:59 PM "Harold Foster"<halfoster@...> wrote:
Somebody should have let them know that this happened... I am fairly sure that *someone* got an earful over it as the person affected is not one, I've been told, to mince words when they are irritated. The thing is, I'm afraid, that the one hearing it is also one of the ones whom is somewhat responsible for the original treatment that they received - a typical manager that has risen to their level of incompetence. And I think that it's very true that as mentioned previously in the thread Keysight's Powers-that-Be are, as is becoming typical of such corporations, much more focused on the immediate profits (and resultant bonuses) and not so much on the future financial health of the company (AKA: A Future Person's Problem.) To me, though, Keysight is relying on their name (or, more accurately, HP's reputation) to keep generating sales when they really have no competitive or innovative products to justify that - other than the 3458A of course. And Fluke just came out with what could very much be a reasonable alternative to that legend. HP was a truly innovative and legendary company that was a product of the views and integrity of Bill and Dave (as was Howard Vollum's Tektronix) but can only not be considered a textbook example of "Suicide by Suits."
And now Boeing, with actual deaths involved. I was thinking maybe now people would sit up and take notice of the suit problem. But apparently not.
They absolve themselves of any responsibility for this behavior by saying "It's just business".
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
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Same here; Duracells are "remove on sight" around here.
I swore by them all my life, until they started destroying things.
But that's ok, because...."it's just business".
No. It's greedy scumbag behavior that should've been beaten out of these people with a belt by their parents.
-Dave
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On 9/5/24 07:32, Glenn Little wrote: Look at Duracell.
Another suit problem.
Prior to being bought by Proctor and Gamble, they had a very good product with a good reputation.
Now the batteries leak in the packaging prior to installation in a product.
I now will not allow Duracell batteries in my house.
Glenn
On 9/4/2024 4:21 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On September 4, 2024 2:48:59 PM "Harold Foster"<halfoster@...> wrote:
Somebody should have let them know that this happened... I am fairly sure that *someone* got an earful over it as the person affected is not one, I've been told, to mince words when they are irritated. The thing is, I'm afraid, that the one hearing it is also one of the ones whom is somewhat responsible for the original treatment that they received - a typical manager that has risen to their level of incompetence. And I think that it's very true that as mentioned previously in the thread Keysight's Powers-that-Be are, as is becoming typical of such corporations, much more focused on the immediate profits (and resultant bonuses) and not so much on the future financial health of the company (AKA: A Future Person's Problem.) To me, though, Keysight is relying on their name (or, more accurately, HP's reputation) to keep generating sales when they really have no competitive or innovative products to justify that - other than the 3458A of course. And Fluke just came out with what could very much be a reasonable alternative to that legend. HP was a truly innovative and legendary company that was a product of the views and integrity of Bill and Dave (as was Howard Vollum's Tektronix) but can only not be considered a textbook example of "Suicide by Suits."
And now Boeing, with actual deaths involved. I was thinking maybe now people would sit up and take notice of the suit problem. But apparently not.
They absolve themselves of any responsibility for this behavior by saying "It's just business".
-Dave
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Glenn Little ARRL Technical Specialist QCWA LM 28417
Amateur Callsign: WB4UIVwb4uiv@... AMSAT LM 2178
QTH: Goose Creek, SC USA (EM92xx) USSVI, FRA, NRA-LM ARRL TAPR
"It is not the class of license that the Amateur holds but the class
of the Amateur that holds the license"
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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