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HP 140 Series Fan Noise


 

When an oilite bearing fails, it forces the shaft to
move in and out... basically, dipping its toes into
the unworn shaft area.

The noise it makes sounds like "brum brum brum..."

The next phase is when the bearing gap becomes too wide
to work without the shaft bouncing between contacts with
the oilite.

The noise this makes is a squegging sound. While the
bounce is happening, the shaft is stealing significant
power, so often the squegg stops when a certain speed is
hit.

During the squegging phase, metal is often rolled up out
of the bronze and the shaft will try out seizing. Lots
of high pitched squealing happens before the shaft freezes.

The only of these phases that can be saved with lubrication,
long term, is the brum brum brum phase...

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq" <n4buq@...>
wrote:
When I had the bushing pulled from the shaft, cleaned the ID of the
bushing with IPA and a cotton swab. I noted that there was just a
bit of something black that came off on the swab and I presume that
was either carbon from the bushing or from the shaft itself. If
bushing wear is an issue and an exact replacement bushing isn't
available, then I'm just going to leave it alone as I don't have a
machine shop handy.

While it might have run low on lubricant at some point in the last
~54 years (the main transformer has July 09, 1970 stamped on it), it
did have a decent amount of oil on the shaft and bushing when I
disassembled it.

I take it that some motors in the 140-series that, perhaps, have been
maintained properly are not this noisy?

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ


Hi Jim,

Like it or not, oilite (aka sintered bronze) is more than just the
bronze that forms its structure.

Oilite, is made through a process called sintering. What is done
is bronze particles and carbon particles are mixed together with a
glue (binder) to form a thick paste, which is then packed into a
bearing shaped mold and dried.

The resulting bearing shaped object is put into a kiln and heated in
an inert atmosphere until the bronze particles just melt forming a
foam like structure filled with carbon and binder. The kiln is
then cooled to below melting, and air is introduced, causing the hot
carbon, and binder to burn away... without remelting the bronze.

Left behind are remnants of the carbon binder which are in the form
of carbides and other hard, abrasive, substances.... Oh well!

When the oilite bronze foam is filled with oil, the oil wicks out
and forms a meniscus of oil between the shaft and the oilite, on
which the shaft floats... never making contact with the oilite.

Steel floating on a meniscus of oil is the foundation on which most
lubrication works...

When the oil invariably evaporates, the shaft stops floating, and
is let down to run on the bronze. When this happens, the shaft is
running against the oilite bronze matrix, and comes into contact
with the hard abrasive materials that were left behind when the
oilite bronze matrix was made.

Most folks know that some forms of carbon, notably diamond are very
abrasive substances. What most don't know is all forms of carbon
are abrasive.

What about graphite, you say?

Graphite is slippery because it is composed of sheets of carbon
where the atoms in the sheet are strongly bonded, but the bonds
between the sheets are very weak. This allows the sheets to stay
as sheets, but layers of sheets to slide loosely against each
other... kind of like they had ball bearings between them.

Graphite is useful as a bearing because it sticks strongly to the
bearing metals (shaft, etc...), protecting them, but only loosely to
itself.

More than anyone wanted to know about bearings...

-Chuck Harris

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:41:53 -0700 "Jim Ford" <james.ford@...>
wrote:
Interesting that bronze would wear away steel; I thought that steel
was much harder.? But I could be wrong.? That happened once before!
;)? ? ? ? ? Jim FordSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device --------
Original message --------From: Chuck Harris <cfharris@...>
Date: 4/7/24 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 140 Series Fan Noise What
typically happens to bronze sleeve bearings istwo things:1) the oil
that impregnates the bronze foam runs short,?? and no longer wicks
up to the shaft/bronze interface2) the bronze without oil is
abrasive, and wears away?? the steel shaft until it is small
enough that it cannot?? be fully supported on a film of oil.? This
allows the shaft to rattle around in the bronze hole, making noise
? and doing more damage.When you oil up such a mess, the oil will
not soak into thebronze "sponge", because the friction smears the
bronze untilall of the pores in its hole are closed.? The oil in
the now too large gap just gets slung away until it is onceagain
dry and making noise.A new bronze/oilite bearing can be
substituted, but you willprobably find that one that is undersized
enough to fit in the worn section of the shaft, will be too tight
to fitover the un worn shaft.? The solution is to reduce the
shaftsize just enough to fit through the new bearing...-Chuck
HarrisOn Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq"
<n4buq@...>wrote:> That sounds like some slick stuff. :)>
At this point, I'm reasonably sure the problem is not
lubrication but> just an inherent property of the fan.> >
Thanks,>
Barry - N4BUQ> > > Greetings,> > > > There may yet be a solution.
There is a product called ¡°Energy> > Release¡± Anti-friction Metal
Conditioner.? It is available at many> > different places
including Amazon.> > > > More than twenty years ago I was
introduced to this product by a> > friend who became an ¡°Energy
Release" independent dealer.? I think> > back then the company was
perhaps just starting and they were> > making their name through
independent dealers who would go around> > and demo the product.>
I have used it as necessary on a wide variety of situations
since> > my friend showed
the stuff to me.? It doesn¡¯t take very much to> > make a
significant difference.? The 8 fl. oz. Bottle listed on> > Amazon
should last a lifetime, probably more.? I¡¯m still using from> >
the bottle I bought more than twenty years ago and it still works>
just fine.> > > > My friend had a demo machine where he would
install a steel space> > on
a 1/4 HP motor arbor.? He had a long handle that had a fixed> >
pivot point and he would bring it in contact with that space and>
easily bring the motor to a dead stop. Then he would apply just
a> > little
of the Energy Release to that steel spacer and try as hard> > as he
might he could not generate enough friction force to stop the> >
motor.> > > > I was impressed and I have never been disappointed
using it.> > > > This might be worth a shot.? If it doesn¡¯t resolve
this situation I> > am certain you will find many uses for it over
the coming years.> > > > Best wishers!> > > > Ken> > > >?? > >> On
Apr 6, 2024, at 10:43 PM, n4buq <n4buq@...> wrote:> >> >
I finally got around to removing the fan motor.? I was able to
get> >>
it apart and, unfortunately(?) it uses a bronze (oilite?)
bushing.>
? There appeared to be sufficient oil on the shaft but I went
ahead> >> and cleaned everything and applied some synthetic oil
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ahead> >> >>> clean, lube, and reassemble it.? Hopefully that
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Again, no telling what went on with it before I got it; however, I don't hear any of those sounds. The noise I hear reminds me more of a model airplane engine (e.g. a 0.049", etc.) only quieter than that.

Barry - N4BUQ

When an oilite bearing fails, it forces the shaft to
move in and out... basically, dipping its toes into
the unworn shaft area.

The noise it makes sounds like "brum brum brum..."

The next phase is when the bearing gap becomes too wide
to work without the shaft bouncing between contacts with
the oilite.

The noise this makes is a squegging sound. While the
bounce is happening, the shaft is stealing significant
power, so often the squegg stops when a certain speed is
hit.

During the squegging phase, metal is often rolled up out
of the bronze and the shaft will try out seizing. Lots
of high pitched squealing happens before the shaft freezes.

The only of these phases that can be saved with lubrication,
long term, is the brum brum brum phase...

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq" <n4buq@...>
wrote:
When I had the bushing pulled from the shaft, cleaned the ID of the
bushing with IPA and a cotton swab. I noted that there was just a
bit of something black that came off on the swab and I presume that
was either carbon from the bushing or from the shaft itself. If
bushing wear is an issue and an exact replacement bushing isn't
available, then I'm just going to leave it alone as I don't have a
machine shop handy.

While it might have run low on lubricant at some point in the last
~54 years (the main transformer has July 09, 1970 stamped on it), it
did have a decent amount of oil on the shaft and bushing when I
disassembled it.

I take it that some motors in the 140-series that, perhaps, have been
maintained properly are not this noisy?

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ


Hi Jim,

Like it or not, oilite (aka sintered bronze) is more than just the
bronze that forms its structure.

Oilite, is made through a process called sintering. What is done
is bronze particles and carbon particles are mixed together with a
glue (binder) to form a thick paste, which is then packed into a
bearing shaped mold and dried.

The resulting bearing shaped object is put into a kiln and heated in
an inert atmosphere until the bronze particles just melt forming a
foam like structure filled with carbon and binder. The kiln is
then cooled to below melting, and air is introduced, causing the hot
carbon, and binder to burn away... without remelting the bronze.

Left behind are remnants of the carbon binder which are in the form
of carbides and other hard, abrasive, substances.... Oh well!

When the oilite bronze foam is filled with oil, the oil wicks out
and forms a meniscus of oil between the shaft and the oilite, on
which the shaft floats... never making contact with the oilite.

Steel floating on a meniscus of oil is the foundation on which most
lubrication works...

When the oil invariably evaporates, the shaft stops floating, and
is let down to run on the bronze. When this happens, the shaft is
running against the oilite bronze matrix, and comes into contact
with the hard abrasive materials that were left behind when the
oilite bronze matrix was made.

Most folks know that some forms of carbon, notably diamond are very
abrasive substances. What most don't know is all forms of carbon
are abrasive.

What about graphite, you say?

Graphite is slippery because it is composed of sheets of carbon
where the atoms in the sheet are strongly bonded, but the bonds
between the sheets are very weak. This allows the sheets to stay
as sheets, but layers of sheets to slide loosely against each
other... kind of like they had ball bearings between them.

Graphite is useful as a bearing because it sticks strongly to the
bearing metals (shaft, etc...), protecting them, but only loosely to
itself.

More than anyone wanted to know about bearings...

-Chuck Harris

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:41:53 -0700 "Jim Ford" <james.ford@...>
wrote:
Interesting that bronze would wear away steel; I thought that steel
was much harder.? But I could be wrong.? That happened once before!
;)? ? ? ? ? Jim FordSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device --------
Original message --------From: Chuck Harris <cfharris@...>
Date: 4/7/24 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 140 Series Fan Noise What
typically happens to bronze sleeve bearings istwo things:1) the oil
that impregnates the bronze foam runs short,?? and no longer wicks
up to the shaft/bronze interface2) the bronze without oil is
abrasive, and wears away?? the steel shaft until it is small
enough that it cannot?? be fully supported on a film of oil.? This
allows the shaft to rattle around in the bronze hole, making noise
? and doing more damage.When you oil up such a mess, the oil will
not soak into thebronze "sponge", because the friction smears the
bronze untilall of the pores in its hole are closed.? The oil in
the now too large gap just gets slung away until it is onceagain
dry and making noise.A new bronze/oilite bearing can be
substituted, but you willprobably find that one that is undersized
enough to fit in the worn section of the shaft, will be too tight
to fitover the un worn shaft.? The solution is to reduce the
shaftsize just enough to fit through the new bearing...-Chuck
HarrisOn Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq"
<n4buq@...>wrote:> That sounds like some slick stuff. :)>
At this point, I'm reasonably sure the problem is not
lubrication but> just an inherent property of the fan.> >
Thanks,>
Barry - N4BUQ> > > Greetings,> > > > There may yet be a solution.
There is a product called ¡°Energy> > Release¡± Anti-friction Metal
Conditioner.? It is available at many> > different places
including Amazon.> > > > More than twenty years ago I was
introduced to this product by a> > friend who became an ¡°Energy
Release" independent dealer.? I think> > back then the company was
perhaps just starting and they were> > making their name through
independent dealers who would go around> > and demo the product.>
I have used it as necessary on a wide variety of situations
since> > my friend showed
the stuff to me.? It doesn¡¯t take very much to> > make a
significant difference.? The 8 fl. oz. Bottle listed on> > Amazon
should last a lifetime, probably more.? I¡¯m still using from> >
the bottle I bought more than twenty years ago and it still works>
just fine.> > > > My friend had a demo machine where he would
install a steel space> > on
a 1/4 HP motor arbor.? He had a long handle that had a fixed> >
pivot point and he would bring it in contact with that space and>
easily bring the motor to a dead stop. Then he would apply just
a> > little
of the Energy Release to that steel spacer and try as hard> > as he
might he could not generate enough friction force to stop the> >
motor.> > > > I was impressed and I have never been disappointed
using it.> > > > This might be worth a shot.? If it doesn¡¯t resolve
this situation I> > am certain you will find many uses for it over
the coming years.> > > > Best wishers!> > > > Ken> > > >?? > >> On
Apr 6, 2024, at 10:43 PM, n4buq <n4buq@...> wrote:> >> >
I finally got around to removing the fan motor.? I was able to
get> >>
it apart and, unfortunately(?) it uses a bronze (oilite?)
bushing.>
? There appeared to be sufficient oil on the shaft but I went
ahead> >> and cleaned everything and applied some synthetic oil
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Hmmm?

That could be mechanical interference, where some piece of
insulation, inside of the motor, is brushing against something
that is moving, such as the rotating magnetic field.

Or, it could be windage noise from the fan blades being too
close to an immovable object... such as a chassis piece, or a
heatsink.

Does the motor make noise when it is run outside of its mounts?

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:36:38 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq" <n4buq@...>
wrote:
Again, no telling what went on with it before I got it; however, I
don't hear any of those sounds. The noise I hear reminds me more of
a model airplane engine (e.g. a 0.049", etc.) only quieter than that.

Barry - N4BUQ

When an oilite bearing fails, it forces the shaft to
move in and out... basically, dipping its toes into
the unworn shaft area.

The noise it makes sounds like "brum brum brum..."

The next phase is when the bearing gap becomes too wide
to work without the shaft bouncing between contacts with
the oilite.

The noise this makes is a squegging sound. While the
bounce is happening, the shaft is stealing significant
power, so often the squegg stops when a certain speed is
hit.

During the squegging phase, metal is often rolled up out
of the bronze and the shaft will try out seizing. Lots
of high pitched squealing happens before the shaft freezes.

The only of these phases that can be saved with lubrication,
long term, is the brum brum brum phase...

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq" <n4buq@...>
wrote:
When I had the bushing pulled from the shaft, cleaned the ID of the
bushing with IPA and a cotton swab. I noted that there was just a
bit of something black that came off on the swab and I presume that
was either carbon from the bushing or from the shaft itself. If
bushing wear is an issue and an exact replacement bushing isn't
available, then I'm just going to leave it alone as I don't have a
machine shop handy.

While it might have run low on lubricant at some point in the last
~54 years (the main transformer has July 09, 1970 stamped on it),
it did have a decent amount of oil on the shaft and bushing when I
disassembled it.

I take it that some motors in the 140-series that, perhaps, have
been maintained properly are not this noisy?

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ


Hi Jim,

Like it or not, oilite (aka sintered bronze) is more than just
the bronze that forms its structure.

Oilite, is made through a process called sintering. What is done
is bronze particles and carbon particles are mixed together with
a glue (binder) to form a thick paste, which is then packed into
a bearing shaped mold and dried.

The resulting bearing shaped object is put into a kiln and
heated in an inert atmosphere until the bronze particles just
melt forming a foam like structure filled with carbon and
binder. The kiln is then cooled to below melting, and air is
introduced, causing the hot carbon, and binder to burn away...
without remelting the bronze.

Left behind are remnants of the carbon binder which are in the
form of carbides and other hard, abrasive, substances.... Oh
well!

When the oilite bronze foam is filled with oil, the oil wicks out
and forms a meniscus of oil between the shaft and the oilite, on
which the shaft floats... never making contact with the oilite.

Steel floating on a meniscus of oil is the foundation on which
most lubrication works...

When the oil invariably evaporates, the shaft stops floating, and
is let down to run on the bronze. When this happens, the shaft
is running against the oilite bronze matrix, and comes into
contact with the hard abrasive materials that were left behind
when the oilite bronze matrix was made.

Most folks know that some forms of carbon, notably diamond are
very abrasive substances. What most don't know is all forms of
carbon are abrasive.

What about graphite, you say?

Graphite is slippery because it is composed of sheets of carbon
where the atoms in the sheet are strongly bonded, but the bonds
between the sheets are very weak. This allows the sheets to stay
as sheets, but layers of sheets to slide loosely against each
other... kind of like they had ball bearings between them.

Graphite is useful as a bearing because it sticks strongly to the
bearing metals (shaft, etc...), protecting them, but only
loosely to itself.

More than anyone wanted to know about bearings...

-Chuck Harris

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:41:53 -0700 "Jim Ford"
<james.ford@...> wrote:
Interesting that bronze would wear away steel; I thought that
steel was much harder.? But I could be wrong.? That happened
once before! ;)? ? ? ? ? Jim FordSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE
Device -------- Original message --------From: Chuck Harris
<cfharris@...> Date: 4/7/24 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 140 Series Fan Noise What
typically happens to bronze sleeve bearings istwo things:1) the
oil that impregnates the bronze foam runs short,?? and no
longer wicks up to the shaft/bronze interface2) the bronze
without oil is abrasive, and wears away?? the steel shaft until
it is small enough that it cannot?? be fully supported on a
film of oil.? This allows the shaft to rattle around in the
bronze hole, making noise and doing more damage.When you oil up
such a mess, the oil will not soak into thebronze "sponge",
because the friction smears the bronze untilall of the pores in
its hole are closed.? The oil in the now too large gap just
gets slung away until it is onceagain dry and making noise.A
new bronze/oilite bearing can be substituted, but you
willprobably find that one that is undersized enough to fit in
the worn section of the shaft, will be too tight to fitover the
un worn shaft.? The solution is to reduce the shaftsize just
enough to fit through the new bearing...-Chuck HarrisOn Sun, 7
Apr 2024 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq"
<n4buq@...>wrote:> That sounds like some slick stuff.
:)>
At this point, I'm reasonably sure the problem is not
lubrication but> just an inherent property of the fan.> >
Thanks,>
Barry - N4BUQ> > > Greetings,> > > > There may yet be a
solution. There is a product called ¡°Energy> > Release¡±
Anti-friction Metal Conditioner.? It is available at many> >
different places including Amazon.> > > > More than twenty
years ago I was introduced to this product by a> > friend who
became an ¡°Energy Release" independent dealer.? I think> > back
then the company was perhaps just starting and they were> >
making their name through independent dealers who would go
around> > and demo the product.>
I have used it as necessary on a wide variety of
situations
since> > my friend showed
the stuff to me.? It doesn¡¯t take very much to> > make a
significant difference.? The 8 fl. oz. Bottle listed on> >
Amazon should last a lifetime, probably more.? I¡¯m still using
from> > the bottle I bought more than twenty years ago and it
from> > still works>
just fine.> > > > My friend had a demo machine where he would
install a steel space> > on
a 1/4 HP motor arbor.? He had a long handle that had a fixed> >
pivot point and he would bring it in contact with that space
and>
easily bring the motor to a dead stop. Then he would apply
just
a> > little
of the Energy Release to that steel spacer and try as hard> >
as he might he could not generate enough friction force to stop
the> > motor.> > > > I was impressed and I have never been
the> > disappointed
using it.> > > > This might be worth a shot.? If it doesn¡¯t
resolve this situation I> > am certain you will find many uses
for it over the coming years.> > > > Best wishers!> > > > Ken>
?? > >> On Apr 6, 2024, at 10:43 PM, n4buq
<n4buq@...> wrote:> >> >
I finally got around to removing the fan motor.? I was able
to
get> >>
it apart and, unfortunately(?) it uses a bronze (oilite?)
bushing.>
? There appeared to be sufficient oil on the shaft but I went

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ahead> >> with the noise.> >> > >> Thanks,> >> Barry - N4BUQ>
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ahead> >> >>> holes to do that but I> >>> don't see them.? I
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ahead> >> >>> >>> needs a bit of cleaning anyway) and see if
ahead> >> >>> >>> I can disassemble,> >>>
ahead> >> >>> clean, lube, and reassemble it.? Hopefully that
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I tested it on the bench before installing it in the 140B and it still made the same noise. I tried different orientations and that didn't seem to make much, if any, difference.

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ

Hmmm?

That could be mechanical interference, where some piece of
insulation, inside of the motor, is brushing against something
that is moving, such as the rotating magnetic field.

Or, it could be windage noise from the fan blades being too
close to an immovable object... such as a chassis piece, or a
heatsink.

Does the motor make noise when it is run outside of its mounts?

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:36:38 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq" <n4buq@...>
wrote:
Again, no telling what went on with it before I got it; however, I
don't hear any of those sounds. The noise I hear reminds me more of
a model airplane engine (e.g. a 0.049", etc.) only quieter than that.

Barry - N4BUQ

When an oilite bearing fails, it forces the shaft to
move in and out... basically, dipping its toes into
the unworn shaft area.

The noise it makes sounds like "brum brum brum..."

The next phase is when the bearing gap becomes too wide
to work without the shaft bouncing between contacts with
the oilite.

The noise this makes is a squegging sound. While the
bounce is happening, the shaft is stealing significant
power, so often the squegg stops when a certain speed is
hit.

During the squegging phase, metal is often rolled up out
of the bronze and the shaft will try out seizing. Lots
of high pitched squealing happens before the shaft freezes.

The only of these phases that can be saved with lubrication,
long term, is the brum brum brum phase...

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq" <n4buq@...>
wrote:
When I had the bushing pulled from the shaft, cleaned the ID of the
bushing with IPA and a cotton swab. I noted that there was just a
bit of something black that came off on the swab and I presume that
was either carbon from the bushing or from the shaft itself. If
bushing wear is an issue and an exact replacement bushing isn't
available, then I'm just going to leave it alone as I don't have a
machine shop handy.

While it might have run low on lubricant at some point in the last
~54 years (the main transformer has July 09, 1970 stamped on it),
it did have a decent amount of oil on the shaft and bushing when I
disassembled it.

I take it that some motors in the 140-series that, perhaps, have
been maintained properly are not this noisy?

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ


Hi Jim,

Like it or not, oilite (aka sintered bronze) is more than just
the bronze that forms its structure.

Oilite, is made through a process called sintering. What is done
is bronze particles and carbon particles are mixed together with
a glue (binder) to form a thick paste, which is then packed into
a bearing shaped mold and dried.

The resulting bearing shaped object is put into a kiln and
heated in an inert atmosphere until the bronze particles just
melt forming a foam like structure filled with carbon and
binder. The kiln is then cooled to below melting, and air is
introduced, causing the hot carbon, and binder to burn away...
without remelting the bronze.

Left behind are remnants of the carbon binder which are in the
form of carbides and other hard, abrasive, substances.... Oh
well!

When the oilite bronze foam is filled with oil, the oil wicks out
and forms a meniscus of oil between the shaft and the oilite, on
which the shaft floats... never making contact with the oilite.

Steel floating on a meniscus of oil is the foundation on which
most lubrication works...

When the oil invariably evaporates, the shaft stops floating, and
is let down to run on the bronze. When this happens, the shaft
is running against the oilite bronze matrix, and comes into
contact with the hard abrasive materials that were left behind
when the oilite bronze matrix was made.

Most folks know that some forms of carbon, notably diamond are
very abrasive substances. What most don't know is all forms of
carbon are abrasive.

What about graphite, you say?

Graphite is slippery because it is composed of sheets of carbon
where the atoms in the sheet are strongly bonded, but the bonds
between the sheets are very weak. This allows the sheets to stay
as sheets, but layers of sheets to slide loosely against each
other... kind of like they had ball bearings between them.

Graphite is useful as a bearing because it sticks strongly to the
bearing metals (shaft, etc...), protecting them, but only
loosely to itself.

More than anyone wanted to know about bearings...

-Chuck Harris

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:41:53 -0700 "Jim Ford"
<james.ford@...> wrote:
Interesting that bronze would wear away steel; I thought that
steel was much harder.? But I could be wrong.? That happened
once before! ;)? ? ? ? ? Jim FordSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE
Device -------- Original message --------From: Chuck Harris
<cfharris@...> Date: 4/7/24 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 140 Series Fan Noise What
typically happens to bronze sleeve bearings istwo things:1) the
oil that impregnates the bronze foam runs short,?? and no
longer wicks up to the shaft/bronze interface2) the bronze
without oil is abrasive, and wears away?? the steel shaft until
it is small enough that it cannot?? be fully supported on a
film of oil.? This allows the shaft to rattle around in the
bronze hole, making noise and doing more damage.When you oil up
such a mess, the oil will not soak into thebronze "sponge",
because the friction smears the bronze untilall of the pores in
its hole are closed.? The oil in the now too large gap just
gets slung away until it is onceagain dry and making noise.A
new bronze/oilite bearing can be substituted, but you
willprobably find that one that is undersized enough to fit in
the worn section of the shaft, will be too tight to fitover the
un worn shaft.? The solution is to reduce the shaftsize just
enough to fit through the new bearing...-Chuck HarrisOn Sun, 7
Apr 2024 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq"
<n4buq@...>wrote:> That sounds like some slick stuff.
:)>
At this point, I'm reasonably sure the problem is not
lubrication but> just an inherent property of the fan.> >
Thanks,>
Barry - N4BUQ> > > Greetings,> > > > There may yet be a
solution. There is a product called ¡°Energy> > Release¡±
Anti-friction Metal Conditioner.? It is available at many> >
different places including Amazon.> > > > More than twenty
years ago I was introduced to this product by a> > friend who
became an ¡°Energy Release" independent dealer.? I think> > back
then the company was perhaps just starting and they were> >
making their name through independent dealers who would go
around> > and demo the product.>
I have used it as necessary on a wide variety of
situations
since> > my friend showed
the stuff to me.? It doesn¡¯t take very much to> > make a
significant difference.? The 8 fl. oz. Bottle listed on> >
Amazon should last a lifetime, probably more.? I¡¯m still using
from> > the bottle I bought more than twenty years ago and it
from> > still works>
just fine.> > > > My friend had a demo machine where he would
install a steel space> > on
a 1/4 HP motor arbor.? He had a long handle that had a fixed> >
pivot point and he would bring it in contact with that space
and>
easily bring the motor to a dead stop. Then he would apply
just
a> > little
of the Energy Release to that steel spacer and try as hard> >
as he might he could not generate enough friction force to stop
the> > motor.> > > > I was impressed and I have never been
the> > disappointed
using it.> > > > This might be worth a shot.? If it doesn¡¯t
resolve this situation I> > am certain you will find many uses
for it over the coming years.> > > > Best wishers!> > > > Ken>
?? > >> On Apr 6, 2024, at 10:43 PM, n4buq
<n4buq@...> wrote:> >> >
I finally got around to removing the fan motor.? I was able
to
get> >>
it apart and, unfortunately(?) it uses a bronze (oilite?)
bushing.>
? There appeared to be sufficient oil on the shaft but I went

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ahead> >> I didn't expect much, if any improvement, and I
ahead> >> wasn't> >> disappointed. I guess I'll just put up
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ahead> >> >>> >>> Thanks again,> >>> Barry - N4BUQ> >>>?? >
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On Monday 08 April 2024 09:56:14 am Chuck Harris wrote:
Graphite is useful as a bearing because it sticks strongly to the
bearing metals (shaft, etc...), protecting them, but only loosely to
itself.
So would it be worthwhile trying to lube these fans with graphite rather than any kind of oil?


--
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James
M Dakin


 

I would look for a label, or perhaps a bit of steel, that
is interacting with the magnetic barrel that is pressed inside
of the fan's hub. Non ball bearings can't make noises like that.

What I think you have is something that is the equivalent of
using a clothes pin to attach a playing card to your bicycle
so it made a noise against the spokes.

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 12:40:30 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq" <n4buq@...>
wrote:
I tested it on the bench before installing it in the 140B and it
still made the same noise. I tried different orientations and that
didn't seem to make much, if any, difference.

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ

Hmmm?

That could be mechanical interference, where some piece of
insulation, inside of the motor, is brushing against something
that is moving, such as the rotating magnetic field.

Or, it could be windage noise from the fan blades being too
close to an immovable object... such as a chassis piece, or a
heatsink.

Does the motor make noise when it is run outside of its mounts?

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:36:38 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq" <n4buq@...>
wrote:
Again, no telling what went on with it before I got it; however, I
don't hear any of those sounds. The noise I hear reminds me more
of a model airplane engine (e.g. a 0.049", etc.) only quieter than
that.

Barry - N4BUQ

When an oilite bearing fails, it forces the shaft to
move in and out... basically, dipping its toes into
the unworn shaft area.

The noise it makes sounds like "brum brum brum..."

The next phase is when the bearing gap becomes too wide
to work without the shaft bouncing between contacts with
the oilite.

The noise this makes is a squegging sound. While the
bounce is happening, the shaft is stealing significant
power, so often the squegg stops when a certain speed is
hit.

During the squegging phase, metal is often rolled up out
of the bronze and the shaft will try out seizing. Lots
of high pitched squealing happens before the shaft freezes.

The only of these phases that can be saved with lubrication,
long term, is the brum brum brum phase...

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT) "n4buq"
<n4buq@...> wrote:
When I had the bushing pulled from the shaft, cleaned the ID of
the bushing with IPA and a cotton swab. I noted that there was
just a bit of something black that came off on the swab and I
presume that was either carbon from the bushing or from the
shaft itself. If bushing wear is an issue and an exact
replacement bushing isn't available, then I'm just going to
leave it alone as I don't have a machine shop handy.

While it might have run low on lubricant at some point in the
last ~54 years (the main transformer has July 09, 1970 stamped
on it), it did have a decent amount of oil on the shaft and
bushing when I disassembled it.

I take it that some motors in the 140-series that, perhaps, have
been maintained properly are not this noisy?

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ


Hi Jim,

Like it or not, oilite (aka sintered bronze) is more than just
the bronze that forms its structure.

Oilite, is made through a process called sintering. What is
done is bronze particles and carbon particles are mixed
together with a glue (binder) to form a thick paste, which is
then packed into a bearing shaped mold and dried.

The resulting bearing shaped object is put into a kiln and
heated in an inert atmosphere until the bronze particles just
melt forming a foam like structure filled with carbon and
binder. The kiln is then cooled to below melting, and air is
introduced, causing the hot carbon, and binder to burn away...
without remelting the bronze.

Left behind are remnants of the carbon binder which are in the
form of carbides and other hard, abrasive, substances.... Oh
well!

When the oilite bronze foam is filled with oil, the oil wicks
out and forms a meniscus of oil between the shaft and the
oilite, on which the shaft floats... never making contact
with the oilite.

Steel floating on a meniscus of oil is the foundation on which
most lubrication works...

When the oil invariably evaporates, the shaft stops floating,
and is let down to run on the bronze. When this happens, the
shaft is running against the oilite bronze matrix, and comes
into contact with the hard abrasive materials that were left
behind when the oilite bronze matrix was made.

Most folks know that some forms of carbon, notably diamond are
very abrasive substances. What most don't know is all forms
of carbon are abrasive.

What about graphite, you say?

Graphite is slippery because it is composed of sheets of
carbon where the atoms in the sheet are strongly bonded, but
the bonds between the sheets are very weak. This allows the
sheets to stay as sheets, but layers of sheets to slide
loosely against each other... kind of like they had ball
bearings between them.

Graphite is useful as a bearing because it sticks strongly to
the bearing metals (shaft, etc...), protecting them, but only
loosely to itself.

More than anyone wanted to know about bearings...

-Chuck Harris

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:41:53 -0700 "Jim Ford"
<james.ford@...> wrote:
Interesting that bronze would wear away steel; I thought that
steel was much harder.? But I could be wrong.? That happened
once before! ;)? ? ? ? ? Jim FordSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE
Device -------- Original message --------From: Chuck Harris
<cfharris@...> Date: 4/7/24 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
[email protected] Subject: Re:
[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 140 Series Fan Noise What
typically happens to bronze sleeve bearings istwo things:1)
the oil that impregnates the bronze foam runs short,?? and no
longer wicks up to the shaft/bronze interface2) the bronze
without oil is abrasive, and wears away?? the steel shaft
until it is small enough that it cannot?? be fully supported
on a film of oil.? This allows the shaft to rattle around in
the bronze hole, making noise and doing more damage.When you
oil up such a mess, the oil will not soak into thebronze
"sponge", because the friction smears the bronze untilall of
the pores in its hole are closed.? The oil in the now too
large gap just gets slung away until it is onceagain dry and
making noise.A new bronze/oilite bearing can be substituted,
but you willprobably find that one that is undersized enough
to fit in the worn section of the shaft, will be too tight
to fitover the un worn shaft.? The solution is to reduce the
shaftsize just enough to fit through the new
bearing...-Chuck HarrisOn Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:59:11 -0400
(EDT) "n4buq" <n4buq@...>wrote:> That sounds like
some slick stuff. :)>
At this point, I'm reasonably sure the problem is not
lubrication but> just an inherent property of the fan.> >
Thanks,>
Barry - N4BUQ> > > Greetings,> > > > There may yet be a
solution. There is a product called ¡°Energy> > Release¡±
Anti-friction Metal Conditioner.? It is available at many> >
different places including Amazon.> > > > More than twenty
years ago I was introduced to this product by a> > friend who
became an ¡°Energy Release" independent dealer.? I think> >
back then the company was perhaps just starting and they
were> > making their name through independent dealers who
were> > would go
around> > and demo the product.>
I have used it as necessary on a wide variety of
situations
since> > my friend showed
the stuff to me.? It doesn¡¯t take very much to> > make a
significant difference.? The 8 fl. oz. Bottle listed on> >
Amazon should last a lifetime, probably more.? I¡¯m still
using
from> > the bottle I bought more than twenty years ago and it
from> > still works>
just fine.> > > > My friend had a demo machine where he
would install a steel space> > on
a 1/4 HP motor arbor.? He had a long handle that had a
fixed> > pivot point and he would bring it in contact with
fixed> > that space
and>
easily bring the motor to a dead stop. Then he would apply
just
a> > little
of the Energy Release to that steel spacer and try as hard> >
as he might he could not generate enough friction force to
stop
the> > motor.> > > > I was impressed and I have never been
the> > disappointed
using it.> > > > This might be worth a shot.? If it doesn¡¯t
resolve this situation I> > am certain you will find many
uses for it over the coming years.> > > > Best wishers!> > >
Ken>
?? > >> On Apr 6, 2024, at 10:43 PM, n4buq
<n4buq@...> wrote:> >> >
I finally got around to removing the fan motor.? I was
able to
get> >>
it apart and, unfortunately(?) it uses a bronze (oilite?)
bushing.>
? There appeared to be sufficient oil on the shaft but I
went

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ahead> >> Barry - N4BUQ>
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ahead> >> >>procedure for
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As a last ditch effort, sure, it might help. But an ordinary
oil film won't allow wear until the oil disappears.

Typically, an oilite bearing will have a piece of oil soaked
felt touching the bearing to act as a reservoir.

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:09:49 -0400 "Roy J. Tellason, Sr."
<roy@...> wrote:
On Monday 08 April 2024 09:56:14 am Chuck Harris wrote:
Graphite is useful as a bearing because it sticks strongly to the
bearing metals (shaft, etc...), protecting them, but only loosely to
itself.
So would it be worthwhile trying to lube these fans with graphite
rather than any kind of oil?


 

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Thanks, Chuck.? ?Really interesting about oilite and bronze and such.? Stuff one wouldn't normally think about.? ? ? ? Jim



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


-------- Original message --------
From: Chuck Harris <cfharris@...>
Date: 4/8/24 6:56 AM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 140 Series Fan Noise

Hi Jim,

Like it or not, oilite (aka sintered bronze) is more than just the
bronze that forms its structure.

Oilite, is made through a process called sintering.? What is done
is bronze particles and carbon particles are mixed together with a
glue (binder) to form a thick paste, which is then packed into a
bearing shaped mold and dried.

The resulting bearing shaped object is put into a kiln and heated in
an inert atmosphere until the bronze particles just melt forming a
foam like structure filled with carbon and binder.? The kiln is
then cooled to below melting, and air is introduced, causing the hot
carbon, and binder to burn away... without remelting the bronze.

Left behind are remnants of the carbon binder which are in the form
of carbides and other hard, abrasive, substances.... Oh well!

When the oilite bronze foam is filled with oil, the oil wicks out
and forms a meniscus of oil between the shaft and the oilite, on
which the shaft floats... never making contact with the oilite.

Steel floating on a meniscus of oil is the foundation on which most
lubrication works...

When the oil invariably evaporates, the shaft stops floating, and
is let down to run on the bronze.? When this happens, the shaft is
running against the oilite bronze matrix, and comes into contact
with the hard abrasive materials that were left behind when the
oilite bronze matrix was made.

Most folks know that some forms of carbon, notably diamond are very
abrasive substances.? What most don't know is all forms of carbon
are abrasive.

What about graphite, you say?

Graphite is slippery because it is composed of sheets of carbon where
the atoms in the sheet are strongly bonded, but the bonds between the
sheets are very weak.? This allows the sheets to stay as sheets, but
layers of sheets to slide loosely against each other... kind of like
they had ball bearings between them.

Graphite is useful as a bearing because it sticks strongly to the
bearing metals (shaft, etc...), protecting them, but only loosely to
itself.

More than anyone wanted to know about bearings...

-Chuck Harris

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 08 Apr 2024 04:41:53 -0700 "Jim Ford" <james.ford@...>
wrote:
> Interesting that bronze would wear away steel; I thought that steel
> was much harder.? But I could be wrong.? That happened once before!
> ;)? ? ? ? ? Jim FordSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device --------
> Original message --------From: Chuck Harris <cfharris@...>
> Date: 4/7/24? 2:22 PM? (GMT-08:00) To:
> [email protected] Subject: Re:
> [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 140 Series Fan Noise What
> typically happens to bronze sleeve bearings istwo things:1) the oil
> that impregnates the bronze foam runs short,?? and no longer wicks up
> to the shaft/bronze interface2) the bronze without oil is abrasive,
> and wears away?? the steel shaft until it is small enough that it
> cannot?? be fully supported on a film of oil.? This allows the
> shaft to rattle around in the bronze hole, making noise?? and doing
> more damage.When you oil up such a mess, the oil will not soak into
> thebronze "sponge", because the friction smears the bronze untilall
> of the pores in its hole are closed.? The oil in the now too large
> gap just gets slung away until it is onceagain dry and making noise.A
> new bronze/oilite bearing can be substituted, but you willprobably
> find that one that is undersized enough to fit in the worn section of
> the shaft, will be too tight to fitover the un worn shaft.? The
> solution is to reduce the shaftsize just enough to fit through the
> new bearing...-Chuck HarrisOn Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT)
> "n4buq" <n4buq@...>wrote:> That sounds like some slick stuff.
>? :)> > At this point, I'm reasonably sure the problem is not
> lubrication but> just an inherent property of the fan.> > Thanks,>
> Barry - N4BUQ> > > Greetings,> > > > There may yet be a solution.
> There is a product called ¡°Energy> > Release¡± Anti-friction Metal
> Conditioner.? It is available at many> > different places including
> Amazon.> > > > More than twenty years ago I was introduced to this
> product by a> > friend who became an ¡°Energy Release" independent
> dealer.? I think> > back then the company was perhaps just starting
> and they were> > making their name through independent dealers who
> would go around> > and demo the product.> > > > I have used it as
> necessary on a wide variety of situations since> > my friend showed
> the stuff to me.? It doesn¡¯t take very much to> > make a significant
> difference.? The 8 fl. oz. Bottle listed on> > Amazon should last a
> lifetime, probably more.? I¡¯m still using from> > the bottle I bought
> more than twenty years ago and it still works> > just fine.> > > > My
> friend had a demo machine where he would install a steel space> > on
> a 1/4 HP motor arbor.? He had a long handle that had a fixed> > pivot
> point and he would bring it in contact with that space and> > easily
> bring the motor to a dead stop. Then he would apply just a> > little
> of the Energy Release to that steel spacer and try as hard> > as he
> might he could not generate enough friction force to stop the> >
> motor.> > > > I was impressed and I have never been disappointed
> using it.> > > > This might be worth a shot.? If it doesn¡¯t resolve
> this situation I> > am certain you will find many uses for it over
> the coming years.> > > > Best wishers!> > > > Ken> > > >?? > >> On
> Apr 6, 2024, at 10:43 PM, n4buq <n4buq@...> wrote:> >> > >> I
> finally got around to removing the fan motor.? I was able to get> >>
> it apart and, unfortunately(?) it uses a bronze (oilite?) bushing.>
> >>? There appeared to be sufficient oil on the shaft but I went
> >>ahead> >> and cleaned everything and applied some synthetic oil to
> >>ahead> >> be shaft,> >> bushing, and soaked the oil sponges with
> >>ahead> >> it. With the condition it> >> was in, I didn't expect
> >>ahead> >> much, if any improvement, and I wasn't> >> disappointed.
> >>ahead> >> I guess I'll just put up with the noise.> >> > >>
> >>ahead> >> Thanks,> >> Barry - N4BUQ> >>?? > >>> Thanks, Chuck.? The
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> >>ahead> >> >>> clean, lube, and reassemble it.? Hopefully that will
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