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Re: E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

 

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Keysight will no longer sell the licenses for the N7800A unless you are a large company and want to do your own calibrations but the catch is that you HAVE to use the equipment that's written into the software.? It is a required list of equipment, not a suggested list which leaves all but a very rare few who are able to do that. ? The cost of the required equipment, just the minimum runs about $100K "used" and that will allow you to do only a limited calibration on most pieces of equipment. ? Everything these days is in software and very little can be done manually anymore due to the use of A/D's and D/A's and signal processing.? Those allow for great specs but at the expense of allowing for manual calibrations.
You pretty?much have to make the decision of whether or not you need what the later generation equipment can give you or do you want the ability to be able to do your own calibrations.? Of course cost is a huge consideration also.

I pretty much designed my lab around the ability to do the repairs and adjustments myself and have been happy with that decision.? There's a LOT of good equipment out there.
Richard Parrish


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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:02 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW
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HP used discrete filters for the IF filters , those filters are constructed using multiple poles that are coupled and each pole is adjusted individually to form a specific filter shape and bandwidth as a result if one pole is off than you get a funny shape like the one you are seeing !

On the older analyzers (855x, 8566/68, 70K, 8590¡­..? the adjustments were done manually , you needed to build of some shorting clips or cables and follow the instructions on the manual and usually this worked quite well .

However on the later model analyzers HP switched from manual adjustments and performance tests and providing HP basic test/alignment software free of charge to using a integrated test environment (N7800A )? with individual test modules for each analyzer family (N7811A for the ESA Series )? , this software requires a paid license however !? I am not aware of any alternate ways to do the adjustments however richard is the authority on this and he might know

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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 6:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

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Hi

Are you using an external test signal?-it seems so.

First i would make a self alignment with the inbuildt? 50 Mhz cal signal.

Hardy

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Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] P? vegne af Richard Parrish
Sendt: 31. maj 2022 18:57
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Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

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You will need to go in and adjust your Xtal and LC filters.? Not hard, just a pain.

Richard


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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 11:30 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

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Hello Everyone,

I am working on my E4407B and found that it has funny peak shape when I use low Resolution Bandwidths.
The shape is not collected into one peak, instead its smeared as in the pictures.
The bad shapes occur at RBW 300kHz, 100kHz. I don't think its there at 30kHz, but I could be wrong..
Anybody have any clue?



Best regards

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Virusfri.


Re: 4395A and other project units FS

 

Hi Lothar,

Is the 4395A?still available?

If Yes. Can you send it to Switzerland?

Best regards
Rico


Re: Keithley 236 firmware version A10

 

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Hi, I finally found a link on EEVblog and was able to find and install the new firmware successfully. Thanks!

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De?: [email protected] <[email protected]> De la part de Rico Sonderegger
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Objet?: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Keithley 236 firmware version A10

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Hi Yves,

I own a 237 (high voltage version). These devices share the same firmware. Only a resistor on the mainboard decides whether the 236 or the 237 version.

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I have the A10 version and can send it to you if you want.


On the mainboard there is a second device which is also marked with a firmware version (236 801 A10).
But I don't know if you also need it. Is an EEPROM ev. are there only the calibration data stored.

In an emergency, I also have this data and can send it to you.



Many greetings Rico


hp 8407A Service Cable

 

All,

Would anyone have a service cable for the 8407A Network Analyzer for the 8412A, 8413A ,and 8414A/B plugins?

By looking at the number of pins in the Amphenol connector, it appears to be the same as the 11592-60018 for the 141T Spectrum Analyzer, but shorter.

Cheers,

Christopher


Re: Keithley 236 firmware version A10

 

Hi Yves,

I own a 237 (high voltage version). These devices share the same firmware. Only a resistor on the mainboard decides whether the 236 or the 237 version.
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I have the A10 version and can send it to you if you want.



On the mainboard there is a second device which is also marked with a firmware version (236 801 A10).
But I don't know if you also need it. Is an EEPROM ev. are there only the calibration data stored.
In an emergency, I also have this data and can send it to you.




Many greetings Rico


Re: HP 8662A Power up - overvoltage shutdown

 

Good quality new tantalums with appropriate voltage ratings.

Digikey has a good range.

I did send a PM.

Regards

Gerald
VK3GM


Re: HP 8510B Service manual CLIP

 

Hi folks,

I have a broken 8510B display section that I'm trying to fix and I have been chasing a schematic for a long time.
Has anyone spotted the mentioned B-supplement?
I know those display sections are said to be dirt cheap, but not so on this side of the gread pond (Germany).

Wayne,

would you please share your reverse engineering results with me? I'd highly appreciate it.
This could help a lot with my repair efforts.

Thanks and best regards,
Tom


hp 3721A Correlator

 

I am looking to acquire an hp 3721A Correlator, in working condition, if possible.

I am also looking for any manuals or application notes.

Thanks in advance.

Christopher


Re: E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

Lothar baier
 

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HP used discrete filters for the IF filters , those filters are constructed using multiple poles that are coupled and each pole is adjusted individually to form a specific filter shape and bandwidth as a result if one pole is off than you get a funny shape like the one you are seeing !

On the older analyzers (855x, 8566/68, 70K, 8590¡­..? the adjustments were done manually , you needed to build of some shorting clips or cables and follow the instructions on the manual and usually this worked quite well .

However on the later model analyzers HP switched from manual adjustments and performance tests and providing HP basic test/alignment software free of charge to using a integrated test environment (N7800A )? with individual test modules for each analyzer family (N7811A for the ESA Series )? , this software requires a paid license however !? I am not aware of any alternate ways to do the adjustments however richard is the authority on this and he might know

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of hardyhansendk via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 6:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

?

Hi

Are you using an external test signal?-it seems so.

First i would make a self alignment with the inbuildt? 50 Mhz cal signal.

Hardy

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Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] P? vegne af Richard Parrish
Sendt: 31. maj 2022 18:57
Til: [email protected]
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

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You will need to go in and adjust your Xtal and LC filters.? Not hard, just a pain.

Richard


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Kalle Kempe via groups.io <kalle.kempe@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 11:30 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

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Hello Everyone,

I am working on my E4407B and found that it has funny peak shape when I use low Resolution Bandwidths.
The shape is not collected into one peak, instead its smeared as in the pictures.
The bad shapes occur at RBW 300kHz, 100kHz. I don't think its there at 30kHz, but I could be wrong..
Anybody have any clue?



Best regards

?

Virusfri.


Re: E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

Sandra Carroll
 

FWIW I had a similar issue after a processor board repair.
I ended up doing to NSCOM clear of the unit then a Align All and it went away for me.

Sandra


Re: E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

 

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Hi

Are you using an external test signal?-it seems so.

First i would make a self alignment with the inbuildt? 50 Mhz cal signal.

Hardy

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Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] P? vegne af Richard Parrish
Sendt: 31. maj 2022 18:57
Til: [email protected]
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

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You will need to go in and adjust your Xtal and LC filters.? Not hard, just a pain.

Richard


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Kalle Kempe via groups.io <kalle.kempe@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 11:30 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

?

Hello Everyone,

I am working on my E4407B and found that it has funny peak shape when I use low Resolution Bandwidths.
The shape is not collected into one peak, instead its smeared as in the pictures.
The bad shapes occur at RBW 300kHz, 100kHz. I don't think its there at 30kHz, but I could be wrong..
Anybody have any clue?



Best regards


Virusfri.


Keithley 236 firmware version A10

 

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Hi,

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All the instruments in my lab are mainly HP/Agilent/Keysight, and two from tektronix, but now I have two Keithley sources, a 236 and a 238 functional received very recently.

I was able to find the A10 firmware version for the 238, but I'm still looking for the A10 firmware for the 236, I know it exists but can't find it...does anyone have any information where to find this firmware.

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-Yves


Re: HP8920A display onto computer monitor

 

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The SimmConn Labs LCD replacement display does a nice job, although may be more than some want to spend. As I recall, it can bring out a VGA port as an option.

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Also, I have a CRT display removed from my 8920A which is in very good condition, as I only removed it to get the LCD; the display was working fine when removed about a year ago. Can be had for whatever it costs to ship in the US.

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Tom, N8ZM

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of RFI-EMI-GUY
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 3:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8920A display onto computer monitor

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That youtube video is essential to anyone wanting to use the Sony.? I thought the resolution looked pretty good.
There are a few different models of the DSC-1024. I wonder which would be the best for use with the HP98XX series?

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 01:35 PM, W6KX wrote:

Using the DSC-1024HD yields just O.K. image sharpness.? Lots of hardware but the below youtube method works for viewing and acquiring.

I use GP-IB for capturing and printing the display image.


Re: HP8920A display onto computer monitor

 

Looks like at least one enclosure available. I would prefer metal as I have a enough RF floating around.

GBS-8200 CGA/EGA/YUV to VGA Video Converter Board Case


https://corei64.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=71


Re: HP8920A display onto computer monitor

 

There is more info on the 8920 group

/g/HP8924-Family-Spectrum-Analyzers/topics
I've used both Gonbes 8200 (8220 is same but 2 VGA outputs) + LM1881, the Sont DSC104 and a professional scan converter. The Gonbes is better than the Sony but all are acceptable. One thing to watch is matching the VGA monitor to the converter output. If the output is standard VGA a higher resolution monitor can actually give a worse picture. An older monitor with matching native resolution works best.

Robert G8RPI.


Re: HP8920A display onto computer monitor

 

There is no why spend so much money on that



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Em ter, 31 de mai de 2022 16:14, RFI-EMI-GUY <rhyolite@...> escreveu:

That youtube video is essential to anyone wanting to use the Sony.? I thought the resolution looked pretty good.
There are a few different models of the DSC-1024. I wonder which would be the best for use with the HP98XX series?

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 01:35 PM, W6KX wrote:
Using the DSC-1024HD yields just O.K. image sharpness.? Lots of hardware but the below youtube method works for viewing and acquiring.

I use GP-IB for capturing and printing the display image.


Re: E4407B strange peak shapes at low RBW

 

Do you mean the filters on A3 IF Assembly?
Aren't those supposed to self-calibrate with the Auto-align ?
Is there a procedure in a manual that i've missed?


Re: HP8920A display onto computer monitor

 

That youtube video is essential to anyone wanting to use the Sony.? I thought the resolution looked pretty good.
There are a few different models of the DSC-1024. I wonder which would be the best for use with the HP98XX series?


On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 01:35 PM, W6KX wrote:
Using the DSC-1024HD yields just O.K. image sharpness.? Lots of hardware but the below youtube method works for viewing and acquiring.

I use GP-IB for capturing and printing the display image.


Re: 8562A service manual

 

yes I know it was a factory repair, bur I don't think I would have much luck trying to send it back to the factory Ha ha
Seriously It looks like it's not the correct board for my serial prefix (A4)


Re: HP8920A display onto computer monitor

 

Using the DSC-1024HD yields just O.K. image sharpness.? Lots of hardware but the below youtube method works for viewing and acquiring.

I use GP-IB for capturing and printing the display image.