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Re: 8566B PL1 Unlock, PL2 Unlock and Ref Unlock

 

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Check the power supplies and replace the bad filter capacitors.

Glenn

On 10/21/2017 3:07 PM, jehancoc@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
I opened up my 8566B and found that the +12v on the A17 board to be reading 9.5V with 4.5 of AC ripple.??? The fuses on this board are ok.? No burning ext.

Should I just find a used board?? Is this board used in any others like the 8568b?

Thanks again.

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Re: 1853-0063 transistor needed

 

Greetings,

Of course, the world is filled with things I don’t know - but I think the 2N3055 is an NPN transistor.

I believe its PNP complement is Mj2955.

Don’t just take my word, I may be wrong - double check.

Regards,

Ken

On 21Oct, 2017, at 1:41 PM, george g_einst@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

Hi Manuel

The transistor is a low spec Si PNP, try 2N2955 or even a PNP2N3055. Spec is Si PNP,55V, 5A, FT 3MHZ in a TO3 case.

73 George G6HIG
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Sent: 21 October 2017 17:25
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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] 1853-0063 transistor needed

Anyone know of a source or cross reference for a 1853-0063 transistor used in the 410C? I’ve already have a query into Walter at Sphere.


Thanks in advance,

Manuel




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Re: 1853-0063 transistor needed

 

Hi Manuel

The transistor is a low spec Si PNP, try 2N2955 or even a PNP2N3055. Spec is Si PNP,55V, 5A, FT 3MHZ in a TO3 case.

73 George G6HIG
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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] 1853-0063 transistor needed

Anyone know of a source or cross reference for a 1853-0063 transistor used in the 410C? I’ve already have a query into Walter at Sphere.


Thanks in advance,

Manuel


Re: 8566B PL1 Unlock, PL2 Unlock and Ref Unlock

 

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Hi,
this looks like a power supply problem ;-)
I would invest a few hours on searching for the problem. If it is in the power supply, it is likely that you can fix it relatively easy. I would guess a bad capacitor or voltage regulator.
You can always get a new board, but first you should try to figure out what board you really need. I would be surprised if the problem is on A17.
Check the power supply and all other voltages before thinking about getting new boards!

Tobias


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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: 8566B PL1 Unlock, PL2 Unlock and Ref Unlock

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I opened up my 8566B and found that the +12v on the A17 board to be reading 9.5V with 4.5 of AC ripple.??? The fuses on this board are ok.? No burning ext.

Should I just find a used board?? Is this board used in any others like the 8568b?

Thanks again.


Re: 8566B PL1 Unlock, PL2 Unlock and Ref Unlock

 

Changing the board won't help unless the raw supply filter cap for that supply happens to be on it. You likely just need to find and replace the cap and it should be good to go. I believe the cap is chassis mounted, or on the motherboard, or on a separate assembly along with some others.

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Ed


Re: HP 1740A HV Oscillator has stopped running

 

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By "Q3", do you mean "HV OSC Q1", the off board power transistor connected to T1-3?? The 7.27v base-emitter voltage would indicate either a bad connection to? "HV OSC Q1" (open emitter?) or a blown "HV OSC Q1".? If that part is socketed, pull it out and re-install.

Dave


On 10/21/2017 7:59 AM, graham.l.n.butcher@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:

Hi everyone, the last time I asked a question I got some very good advice, so lets see if we have same luck this time.


I have the 1740A that I'm trying to restore, its in really good condition inside and out generally and certainly does not belong as landfill etc.


Last time I had distorted waveforms and your advice pointed me in the right direction and we resolved that issue and so while attempting to calibrate the scope a bit, the trace disappeared completely, did this a couple of times and never recovered. Pressing beam find confirmed that there was no HT.


Removed the HV cover and checked the supply rails coming in and all is correct but the oscillator is not running and I've confirmed this by using another scope and holding the probe in close proximity to the transformer and there is high frequency bleed at all. There is a 50Hz one if I turn the sensitivity all the way up, normally there is a high strength signal of around 30 to 40Khz but not on this one at present.


The voltages I'm getting on Q1, Q2 and Q3 are:


Q2?

Base? ? ? ? ?+16.8v

Emitter? ? ?+15v

Collector? ? 0v


Q1

Base? ? ? ? ?0v

Emitter? ? ?0v

Collector? ? +7.27v


Q3

Base? ? ? ? ?+7.27v

Emitter? ? ?0v

Collector? ? +22v


I should say as well that this particular board has the modifications to the Q1 and Q2 configuration which I have a photo of but not too sure how I can attach it in a fashion that you can see it, any ideas on how I submit the photo and on how I can resolve the oscillator issue?


All assistance is greatly appreciated.


Graham??




Re: 8566B PL1 Unlock, PL2 Unlock and Ref Unlock

 

I opened up my 8566B and found that the +12v on the A17 board to be reading 9.5V with 4.5 of AC ripple.??? The fuses on this board are ok.? No burning ext.

Should I just find a used board?? Is this board used in any others like the 8568b?

Thanks again.


Re: 1853-0063 transistor needed

 

I looked up an NTE214 and it’s an NPN.


Re: 1853-0063 transistor needed

Bob Albert
 

I found several cross references.? I think NTE214 for instance.? It's a TO-3 PNP 3 MHz t5A 80V unit and there are many that can probably work in that slot.? I may have a few in my junkbox.? You can also use the plastic ones from Japan, but the number eludes me at the moment.? 2SB something.

Bob


On Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:32 AM, "'Paul Bicknell' paul@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" wrote:




Hi Manuel
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The only x ref I have for a 1853-0063 ??is a ????SJ 1528
Regards Paul B

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Anyone know of a source or cross reference for a 1853-0063 transistor used in the 410C? ?I’ve already have a query into Walter at Sphere.
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Thanks in advance,
Manuel


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Re: 8566B PL1 Unlock, PL2 Unlock and Ref Unlock

 

On my 8566B, I found that I have little or no output from the 100Mhz cal signal as well.? I haven't lifted the unit out of the rack yet, but to be clear, I have a blinking PL1 Unlock, PL2 Unlock and REF Unlock as well as the missing 100Mhz.? Actually, the 100Mhz seems to be there but won't drive a 50ohm load at all.

I'll check the voltages today.? By the way, I hope I need something specialized to fix this beast as I always enjoy a purchasing opportunity.? I have 2 x 8568Bs, lots of scopes and voltmeters, signal generators, etc.? What else could I need?

Any input?

Thanks


Re: HP 3455A stability issue

 

though some people have found old integration caps most likely you have a leaky FET.? ?They are tough to find but the section in the manual that addresses this problem should help.


Re: 1853-0063 transistor needed

 

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Hi Manuel

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The only x ref I have for a 1853-0063 ??is a ????SJ 1528

Regards Paul B


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Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] 1853-0063 transistor needed

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Anyone know of a source or cross reference for a 1853-0063 transistor used in the 410C? ?I’ve already have a query into Walter at Sphere.

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Thanks in advance,

Manuel

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1853-0063 transistor needed

 

Anyone know of a source or cross reference for a 1853-0063 transistor used in the 410C? ?I’ve already have a query into Walter at Sphere.


Thanks in advance,

Manuel


Re: Unsubscribing?

 

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Re: Anti Static Vacuum Cleaners

 

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Greetings,

I have had the same issue over the years and found that compressed air works great. ?It has been my experience that blowing the dust and crud off was more effective than trying to vacuum it.

While I have never damaged any equipment with the air blast from a basic compressor I am also aware of anti-static air compressor blow-off nozzles.

In the lab where I work we have a unit made by 3M, but I believe many other makers offer such devices. ?With a little research one might find inexpensive units, used devices available on eBay, or even discover how to make your one.

Regards,

Ken


On 20Oct, 2017, at 10:00 PM, Dave Daniel kc0wjn@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:

I looked around for something similar a while back. I was thinking of the vacuums used to clean out toner from printers (we used to have these when I worked for STK Printer Ops). They had small nozzles and were very effective at cleaning up toner. I wasn't able to find anything remotely affordable.

I've always wondered about using compressed air on static-sensitive electronics. It seems to me to be a bad idea, ESD-wise, but I have no real experience.

DaveD

On 10/20/2017 9:31 PM, David Smith?w6te@...?[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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Greetings,

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I was working on an HP 438A Power Meter yesterday which was absolutely filthy inside. This thing must have been run 24/7 in a filthy environment over the years. I had to replace the fan, as usual, so I went ahead and pulled the power supply unit out to clean the dust and crap out of it. But, really, there was a layer of thick dust all over the unit.

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This got me to thinking… I need a better way of vacuuming and cleaning equipment that comes in that I won’t be fearful of damaging the cmos devices. Mind you I have a grounded ESD pad across my bench that equipment sits on when it is being worked on and I always use a grounded wrist band on my wrist. I investigated some handheld vacuum cleaners and discovered a few models that are electrostatically safe. The cost was a bit of a shocker as they sold for around $375 USD!!! (They must be very proud of their equipment.) What are the recommendations of the group for a hand held vacuum cleaner that would be safe to use around sensitive electronic equipment? I don’t mind spending $100 or so on something but $375 is a bit out of the question.

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Re: Anti Static Vacuum Cleaners

 

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I know that when installing a dust collection system for a wood shop, if metal ducting is not to be used, it is important that discharge wires be run inside all the ductwork and grounded to the dust collector in order to eliminate the possibility of dust explosion due to static buildup. There have been stories over the years in Fine Woodworking magazine about just such occurrences.

DaveD

On 10/20/2017 11:06 PM, Chuck Harris cfharris@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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In general, it is not a problem. The thing with static electricity
and vacuum cleaners is, though.

What happens is the dust inevitably has a charge, and when it gets
dragged through the hose, it deposits its charge in the vacuum
cleaner bin. As time goes on, that charge builds up, and discharges
to the motor, and if there is lots of dust, <>!

I was cleaning up sawdust from my basement floor one day, and
there was quite a lot. I was doing the area around my bandsaw,
and <>! The largest bolt of static I have ever seen,
jumped between my elbow and the bandsaw's bed. It seemed to be
5 or so inches long. Plastic hoses are the pits.

I had a coworker once that wanted to clean up his TRS-80, and
asked about using a vacuum. I told him don't. He didn't listen,
and the next day came telling of how the TRS-80 was showing a
complete memory failure. Imagine.

Air passing through the hose potentially could deposit charge too,
but usually doesn't because the blow gun is metal, and you are holding
it, returning the charge back to ground. It would be quite different
if your compressor was passing quantities of dust... but most have
air filters.

-Chuck Harris

Dave Daniel kc0wjn@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
> I looked around for something similar a while back. I was thinking of the vacuums
> used to clean out toner from printers (we used to have these when I worked for STK
> Printer Ops). They had small nozzles and were very effective at cleaning up toner. I
> wasn't able to find anything remotely affordable.
>
> I've always wondered about using compressed air on static-sensitive electronics. It
> seems to me to be a bad idea, ESD-wise, but I have no real experience.
>
> DaveD
>
> On 10/20/2017 9:31 PM, David Smith w6te@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I was working on an HP 438A Power Meter yesterday which was absolutely filthy
>> inside. This thing must have been run 24/7 in a filthy environment over the years.
>> I had to replace the fan, as usual, so I went ahead and pulled the power supply
>> unit out to clean the dust and crap out of it. But, really, there was a layer of
>> thick dust all over the unit.
>>
>> This got me to thinking… I need a better way of vacuuming and cleaning equipment
>> that comes in that I won’t be fearful of damaging the cmos devices. Mind you I have
>> a grounded ESD pad across my bench that equipment sits on when it is being worked
>> on and I always use a grounded wrist band on my wrist. I investigated some handheld
>> vacuum cleaners and discovered a few models that are electrostatically safe. The
>> cost was a bit of a shocker as they sold for around $375 USD!!! (They must be very
>> proud of their equipment.) What are the recommendations of the group for a hand
>> held vacuum cleaner that would be safe to use around sensitive electronic
>> equipment? I don’t mind spending $100 or so on something but $375 is a bit out of
>> the question.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Dave W6TE
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10



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Re: Anti Static Vacuum Cleaners

 

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Thar does, indeed, look like what we used to use. Thanks.

DaveD

On 10/21/2017 1:57 AM, Peter Loron peterl@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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The 3M model 497 is an example of the kind of vacuum you want for this work. They can be had used on eBay for < $100.


-Pete


On Oct 20, 2017, at 20:31, David Smith w6te@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:



Greetings,
?
I was working on an HP 438A Power Meter yesterday which was absolutely filthy inside. This thing must have been run 24/7 in a filthy environment over the years. I had to replace the fan, as usual, so I went ahead and pulled the power supply unit out to clean the dust and crap out of it. But, really, there was a layer of thick dust all over the unit.
?
This got me to thinking… I need a better way of vacuuming and cleaning equipment that comes in that I won’t be fearful of damaging the cmos devices. Mind you I have a grounded ESD pad across my bench that equipment sits on when it is being worked on and I always use a grounded wrist band on my wrist. I investigated some handheld vacuum cleaners and discovered a few models that are electrostatically safe. The cost was a bit of a shocker as they sold for around $375 USD!!! (They must be very proud of their equipment.) What are the recommendations of the group for a hand held vacuum cleaner that would be safe to use around sensitive electronic equipment? I don’t mind spending $100 or so on something but $375 is a bit out of the question.
?
Best regards,
?
Dave W6TE ?
?
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Hp3562a DSA A4 board WANTED

 

Has anyone got an A4 board (DFA) for the Hp3562a? I am looking for a parts machine in the UK too.?

Thanks Simon


HP 1740A HV Oscillator has stopped running

 

Hi everyone, the last time I asked a question I got some very good advice, so lets see if we have same luck this time.


I have the 1740A that I'm trying to restore, its in really good condition inside and out generally and certainly does not belong as landfill etc.


Last time I had distorted waveforms and your advice pointed me in the right direction and we resolved that issue and so while attempting to calibrate the scope a bit, the trace disappeared completely, did this a couple of times and never recovered. Pressing beam find confirmed that there was no HT.


Removed the HV cover and checked the supply rails coming in and all is correct but the oscillator is not running and I've confirmed this by using another scope and holding the probe in close proximity to the transformer and there is high frequency bleed at all. There is a 50Hz one if I turn the sensitivity all the way up, normally there is a high strength signal of around 30 to 40Khz but not on this one at present.


The voltages I'm getting on Q1, Q2 and Q3 are:


Q2?

Base? ? ? ? ?+16.8v

Emitter? ? ?+15v

Collector? ? 0v


Q1

Base? ? ? ? ?0v

Emitter? ? ?0v

Collector? ? +7.27v


Q3

Base? ? ? ? ?+7.27v

Emitter? ? ?0v

Collector? ? +22v


I should say as well that this particular board has the modifications to the Q1 and Q2 configuration which I have a photo of but not too sure how I can attach it in a fashion that you can see it, any ideas on how I submit the photo and on how I can resolve the oscillator issue?


All assistance is greatly appreciated.


Graham??