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Re: HP 5245L: unknown chassis capacitor

 

You might see if you can see any model number, operating voltage or frequency range on the fan itself. It might not be happy if you remove the capacitor depending upon the characteristics of the fan. A capacitor run motor is most commonly indicated by extra wires coming out of the fan connecting to the capacitor.

If the fan is operating normally why not leave the capacitor in there if it is not bothering anything?

I replaced my fans with normal 120 volt 50-60 Hz ones since they were making a lot of bearing noise and have reached end-of-life anyway. Then you can remove any labels referring to the 400 Hz operation of the unit..

Greg


Re: HP 5245L: unknown chassis capacitor

 

Is it working now? ?If so, why remove the cap - it's not hurting anything.

-Pat

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> From: scott@...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17th 2024, 01:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP 5245L: unknown chassis capacitor
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Thanks to all for the input.
Sure enough, my 5245L has "H96" on the back, and there is a little sticker above the AC input that says "50-400 Hz", covering up the chassis stenciling which surely said "50-60 Hz".
There are two solid red wires from one capacitor terminal; one goes to S4 on the back panel (120/240 VAC selector switch) and the other goes to the fan.
Sounds to me like if I don't intend on using this in an airplane, I can eliminate the capacitor and run a single red wire from the fan to S4...agree?
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Re: HP8970 Companion

 

On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 08:55 AM, Razvan Popescu wrote:
I looked at the libgtk-3-0 library
I'm using GTK4 so there may be a difference.
? gtk4-demo --version
gtk4-demo 4.14.5
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Yes, I understand about updates. Fedora has the COPR repositories that a developer can maintain independent of Fedora itself which is nice. Perhaps Ubuntu has something similar. Id be happy if someone familiar with the Ubuntu ecosystem wants to take on this.


Re: 8566B Attenuator Service

 

Doesn't much matter. The only real difference is
solid contacts give you more material.

The biggest issue with using abrasive sand paper is
it embeds abrasive particles in the contacts. They
cause problems down the line.

I hope you are lucky, and see no further problems.

-Chuck Harris


On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 15:29:15 -0700 "Jinxie via groups.io"
<paul666@...> wrote:
Mark - will do.
Chuck - these contacts were not gold plated.





Re: HP 5245L: unknown chassis capacitor

 

Thanks to all for the input.
Sure enough, my 5245L has "H96" on the back, and there is a little sticker above the AC input that says "50-400 Hz", covering up the chassis stenciling which surely said "50-60 Hz".
There are two solid red wires from one capacitor terminal; one goes to S4 on the back panel (120/240 VAC selector switch) and the other goes to the fan.
Sounds to me like if I don't intend on using this in an airplane, I can eliminate the capacitor and run a single red wire from the fan to S4...agree?
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Re: GPIB scripting software?

 

# 7854.py - try out some gpib data collection using the Prologix gpib-usb controller
#

import os
import termios
import serial
import time

def gpib_init() :
ser.write("++mode 1\r")
time.sleep(0.1)
ser.write("++ifc\r")
time.sleep(0.1)
ser.write("++auto 0\r")
time.sleep(0.1)
ser.write("++eoi 0\r")
time.sleep(0.1)

def gpib_read(addr):
ser.write("++addr " + str(addr) + "\r")
time.sleep(0.1)
ser.write("++read eoi\r")
return ser.readline()

def gpib_write(addr,gpibstr):
ser.write("++addr " + str(addr) + "\r")
time.sleep(0.1)
ser.write(gpibstr + "\r")

#
# test program...
#

ser = serial.Serial('/dev/ttyUSB0',rtscts=0,timeout=1)

ser.write("++ver\r")
print ser.readline()

gpib_init()

gpib_write(10,"ID?\r")
print "ID= " + gpib_read(10) + "\r"

gpib_write(10,"VMDR\r")
gpib_write(10,"HMDB\r")

gpib_write(10,"STORED\r")

gpib_write(10,"1 0 2 4 >P/W AVG10\r")
gpib_read(10)

gpib_write(10,"SENDX\r")
time.sleep(4)

print "X=" + gpib_read(10) + "\r"
print "X=" + gpib_read(10) + "\r"


-Chuck Harris

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:20:03 +0200 "Harke Smits via groups.io"
<yrrah@...> wrote:
Do you have a simple example at hand? I used the Prologix adapter in
the past with KE5FX toolbox but never with pyvisa. I prefer to use
Python as I want more data processing options than available with the
kit.

H

On 17/09/2024 04:27, Andrew Hakman wrote:
Python + prologix adapter is about as simple, portable, and
dependency free as it gets.

Open the port with the python "serial" library, and send direct
GPIB commands to it.

No need to install any drivers or i/o libraries, basically just
plug and play!

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 12:25?AM Anders via groups.io
<> <anders.gustafsson@...> wrote:

I do the same with my own Prologix-clone





Re: 8566B Attenuator Service

 

Lots of generations of switching equipment. The guy that
taught me this stuff was trained on both Strowger (step-by-step)
and #1 and #5 crossbar. I worked with him designing trunk cards
for a small RedComm digital switch. If you really wanted to hear
him go-off, stick a 1/4" headphone plug into one of his telco
level generators... but I digress.

Most of the time, I prefer linen paper and IPA. Jinxie already
tried that. I would have gone to burnishing next, but never
abrasive. I would sooner use a file, because at least it won't
embed abrasive particles in the soft contact material.

-Chuck Harris



On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:29:58 +0000 (UTC) "jim via groups.io"
<ab7vf@...> wrote:


On Monday, September 16, 2024 at 02:47:48 PM PDT, Chuck Harris
<cfharris@...> wrote:
If you were working for the telephone company, Easy does it is a
good motto for this work.

-Chuck Harris (not a Bell guy, but taught contact burnishing by one.)


Well...as a former "Bell guy"...(12 years Western Electric
Installation)....17+ years Central Office Tech...I kinda agreeTho
what I used on relay contacts in the #1 and #1A ESS Switching Systems
was BOND PAPER strips soaked in suitable liquid contact
cleaner...most of said relays had Palladium plated contacts rather
than gold plating tho... Jim





Re: KO4BB manuals site error

 

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024, Steve - Home wrote:

Same here.

I just got the following error when going to Didier¡¯s manuals directory:

Error: Target directory does not exist.

Anyone else tried it recently?

Steve
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Re: Thermal Couple attached to heat sink

 

Thanks WT,
That is exactly the information I needed.
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Best regards,
John


Re: HP8970 Companion

 

Hello Michael,

Thanks for reply, I will try to compile it first. That is not an issue
for me but in case there will be updates I usually prefer to use dpkg
and install the new package on top.

As for GTK+ I think they are pretty much the same.

I looked at the libgtk-3-0 library in both Fedora and Debian and the
versions are the following:

Fedora:
Fedora Rawhide 3.24.43-2.fc41
Fedora 41 3.24.43-2.fc41
Fedora 40 3.24.43-1.fc40
Fedora 39 3.24.43-1.fc39

Debian:
Stable 3.24.38-2~deb12u2
Unstable 3.24.41-1

If you want to make a common package maybe the "appimage" is the best
way. Not sure if this is possible due to linux-gpib dependency.

73,
Razvan

On 17/09/2024 16:34, vk2bea via groups.io wrote:
It *should* compile on Debian using autotools. ...see the github page on
the commands to do this.

|$ ./autogen.sh $ cd build/ $ ../configure $ make all $ sudo make install|

I'll check the build later on a RPi (Debian..ish). I have had issues
with other software I've written where the GTK library versions on
Debian are a year or more behind Fedora.
I'll probably try and do a flatpak (which will run on any distro) but
I'm not sure I can do this given it links to the GPIB driver that is a
kernel module (and probably cannot be a flatpak).
Michael


Re: KO4BB manuals site error

 

I see the same error.
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Tom


KO4BB manuals site error

 

I just got the following error when going to Didier¡¯s manuals directory:

Error: Target directory does not exist.

Anyone else tried it recently?

Steve


Re: Twelve(+/-) bins of original HP/Agilent manuals free for pickup in San Diego

 

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With the Prologix you must use FTDI to enumerate your serial port. EZGPIB works extremely well. The learning curve was one day. Ulrich did a wonderful job developing it. I like Python a lot. Maybe get stuff talking with EZGPIB then use instrument specific language to write in another language.

I wrote a bunch of EZGPIB programs at Tektronix. It can get as sophisticated as one wants...

Steve
KG7HYG


Re: GPIB scripting software?

 

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Somewhat OT, but: ChatGPT is quite good at turning English into Python, especially if you have a subscription that allows you to run their latest chain-of-thought model.? See for instance.?

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That was generated by the freebie model (GPT 4o) that everyone has access to.? It knows about scikit-rf, but you have to download and run the resulting Python program yourself (which is relatively trivial even in Windows these days). ?

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I didn¡¯t ask it about retrieving GPIB data, and wouldn¡¯t expect miracles if you ask it specifically about Prologix device access.? But it will certainly be able to provide code for basic serial or Ethernet communications if you can articulate what you need it to do.

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-- john, KE5FX

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Harke Smits via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 3:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] GPIB scripting software?

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Do you have a simple example at hand? I used the Prologix adapter in the past with KE5FX toolbox but never with pyvisa. I prefer to use Python as I want more data processing options than available with the kit.


Re: Python + Prologix: Was Re: GPIB scripting software?

 

Dave,


I rest my case. I will keep the Prologix adapter for now and keep your message. Maybe some day I will try it out. Thanks for chiming in.

Cheers,

H

On 17/09/2024 14:44, Dave_G0WBX via groups.io wrote:
Hi again.

The BIG advantage of a Prologix adapter (or clone) is that for simple tasks, it will work with anything that recognises it as a "Serial Device", and dumb terminal program.

One with programmable macro's is most useful though, it's amazing what you can do with that sort of program!
Such as? for Windows, or...
CuteCom for Linux.

It is OS agnostic (no custom drivers needed) and can work as a device, as well as a controller.

So you could configure it as a "listen only" device, then you have a crude bus monitor tool, for when you have something weird going on between some other software and instrument.? It won't show you the handshake sequence, but will present you with all the data bytes flying up/down the bus.

Hint, the later devices have some EAROM built in, so you can save it's configuration.? That almost gives you a Plug-n-Play bus monitor if you need, just fire up a simple ASCII terminal emulator, that can show valid representations of the usual ASCII control characters.)

OK, it takes a bit of effort to decipher it, but it's better than nothing, if you've not got a built in diagnostic/analyser tool for your main GPIB interface, such as the National Instrument supplied tools, "Ni IO Trace" etc (used to be called Ni-Spy) that come with their interface software.? I do not know what HPAK supply that is equivalent.

If I were you, I'd hang onto it, as it is still a useful tool in its own right, even if? you usually use one of the big name devices for the main tasks..?? Add a small single board computer (Raspberry Pi, or others) and configure it as a "Device", and you have the beginnings of a custom GPIB device, for "Whatever" needs.

All the best.

Dave KBV.

PS:??? There was a "lot of noise" a while back, about weather or not to add the ability to use Prologix adapters to PyVisa.? I have no idea if that ever happened, but I do remember a lot of people not liking that idea for some reason.


Re: Twelve(+/-) bins of original HP/Agilent manuals free for pickup in San Diego

 

Sorry, but there's no calibration software, just some firmware files and some other related files. I don't think there's a 4282A manual, but I'll have a look.
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Stan


Re: HP8970 Companion

 

On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 06:35 AM, Peter Hekman wrote:
I don't have any linux experiences nor use it., so now I need some advice.
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How do I get this to run on a dell notebook? (win7)
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Is there a way to trick MS to live in a Linux environment?
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I have a laptop that has windows as the OS on the in-built SSD but boots Linux from an external USB-C drive. (ie. Linux for the price of a 2TB external drive)
The program communicates with the 8970 via GPIB, so there is a tight coupling between the GPIB driver & library. This is probably the most difficult part of easily porting to Windows.
I have Fedora Linux running on a Raspberry PI 4, and that might be an inexpensive option.
Michael


Re: HP8970 Companion

 

It *should* compile on Debian using autotools. ...see the github page on the commands to do this.
    $ ./autogen.sh
    $ cd build/
    $ ../configure
    $ make all
    $ sudo make install
I'll check the build later on a RPi (Debian..ish). I have had issues with other software I've written where the GTK library versions on Debian are a year or more behind Fedora.
I'll probably try and do a flatpak (which will run on any distro) but I'm not sure I can do this given it links to the GPIB driver that is a kernel module (and probably cannot be a flatpak).
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Michael


Re: Agilent E4406 fails to turn on - CULPRITS IDENTIFIED

 

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They were probably operated above their ripple current rating.? Doing that will dry them out every time.

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Mike

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tim Tuck
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 7:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Agilent E4406 fails to turn on - CULPRITS IDENTIFIED

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Hi all,

Thanks to Milan's pointer I de-soldered the two electrolytic capacitors on the little PSU daughter board and they were faulty.

The 47uF@C5 was only 22uF and the 33uF@C6 thinks its a 100ohm resistor!?

Pic of board below before I de-soldered C6.

thanks to all for suggestions.

regards

Tim


Re: HP8970 Companion

 

Hello Michael,
I have a HP8970 at home in my radio shack (M0XPA) and I use it for my experiments and preparing LNA and down converters for contests and field days.

I watched your video and the 8970 Companion is a very nice piece of software, which adds tremendously to the usability and recording of measurements.
My compliments to you.

Now I would really love to use your program.......

I don't have any linux experiences nor use it., so now I need some advice.

How do I get this to run on a dell notebook? (win7)

Is there a way to trick MS to live in a Linux environment?

I do have drivers for MS for my GPIB bus....I use the GPIB toolkit (KE1FX) to plot my HP spectrum analyzer, which works well.

Is there anywhere (Link?) that describes what I need and to install to have the 8970 Companion to work?

Cheers

Peter
M0XPA

PS: I am out of my comfort zone when it comes to Linux and programming. More a HW person.




On Tue, 17 Sept 2024 at 03:07, vk2bea via <vk2bea=[email protected]> wrote:

I've written an open source Linux program to control the Hewlett Packard 8970 Noise Figure Meter.

It can create plots of noise figure and gain from the acquired HP8970 data.

Now available on Github

I describe it here on YouTube

RPMs for Fedora Linux are available at

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Michael

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