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Re: Does anyone have any PIC17C42A-16I/L to spare (ideally in UK)

 

Farnell are expecting some next month


Robert G8RPI


Re: Does anyone have any PIC17C42A-16I/L to spare (ideally in UK)

 

Hi Dave
I am in the UK but sorry I do not understand what you a after so haven't got
one
Paul B

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David C.
Partridge
Sent: 14 December 2019 18:08
To: [email protected]; TekScopes; [email protected]
Subject: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Does anyone have any
PIC17C42A-16I/L to spare (ideally in UK)

Extended temperature range PIC17C42A version in PLC44 ...

Thanks David


Re: seeking schematic and any experienced advice FOLLOW-UP MESSAGE with correct model number

 

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Greetings,

Thanks again to all who have replied helping my friend and myself to get this Agilent Infiniium scope operational.

As was pointed out to me I had mixed up the digits in the model number.

The correct model number is MSO8104A. ?It is a 1 GHz 4 channel scope with a TDK Lambda VEGA-450 power supply.

The power supply has four modules: 12.1 VDC @ 6A, 5.05 VDC @ 20A, 3.33 VDC @ 35A and 12.1 VDC @ 18A.

Below is a photo (Maybe. ?I have never tried to post a photo to our group)

Our current belief (SWAG) is that the auxiliary voltage is missing and that prevents the ¡°power¡± switch from energizing the supply.

Thank you for your time, help, wisdom and suggestions!!!

Warm regards,

Ken




On 8Dec, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Roy Thistle <roy.thistle@...> wrote:

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 06:21 PM, <julien.monette@...> wrote:
if you purchase any other vega450, you can have it for around 150$ on ebay.?You just have to swap the modules between those two psu and it should work fine.
Hi Julien, Hi Ken"
Ya, it might be okay to drop 150.00, for a Vega, on the chance of getting a working Infinium... if the psu is the real problem. Most of the Vega 450 modules have a voltage/current range, and are user adjustable... see the link to the Vega 450 configuration table, in one of my previous posts. You might be able to find just a module.
Yes, the Vega is a tightly speced psu¡­ they use a thick and tough conformal coating for isolation... that makes it hard to work on the board... unless you know what the coating is.? I think the boards are manufactured in China. Don't think TDK does much board level stuff. Probably they sell the defective boards to scrappers, that sell them back to China, where they probably burn the parts off.
Best regards and wishes.
Roy


Re: 2401C Integrating Digital Voltmeter and 2410B AC - Ohms Converter

 

A lot of us around here feel that way. :-)

-Dave

On December 14, 2019 12:18:37 PM "cjt" <cheljuba@...> wrote:
I can't help marveling at the workmanship that went into that equipment.

On 12/14/19 12:39 AM, Patrick Manning wrote:
I have also a set in the repair queue.? My 2401C sounds to be a bit
older than yours, Terry, as it's the Dymec-labeled version, s/n
622-01154.? The 2410B is 644-01052, and despite having a lower serial
number than yours, mine has an HP-labeled front panel.

I'll need to fabricate some boards to integrate them, though, as they
weren't a set and the 2401C is not equipped with the boards needed to
let it talk to the 2410B.

Gotta love a full rack width, 20+ inch deep, 13-1/2" tall nearly 100lb
stack of gear that will measure DC and AC voltage, and resistance.? One
of these years, in my spare time (so called because I have so little of
it...)? Cool old boat anchors - it's nice to know others are keeping
them alive, too.

Some photos of the 2401C are at


-Pat

On December 13, 2019 at 6:37 PM Terry Gains <terry.waihi@...>
wrote:

Who here, runs these find beasts?

My HP 2401C Integrating Digital Voltmeter (SN 811-02807 opt 21,31,146)
and HP 2410B AC - Ohms Converter Dymec (SN 644-01126) are about to be
restored, interconnected and calibrated.

They don't appear to have been mentioned this forum before, but I'm
betting someone out there is also keeping these in working order.

Incidentally, they are both in pristine condition, remarkable for
their age, and the?2410B has a asset sticker from a previous owner,
the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, which will be left on the
instrument.

Kind regards,
Terry


--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


Re: 8350B w/83590A repair advice

 

Thanks Chuck. I will check that when the unit shows up.
I've refurbished those HP 35 batteries in the past. Can do
that if necessary. (probably is)

In the 8350, is that a snap-in pack or individual cells?

Mark


Does anyone have any PIC17C42A-16I/L to spare (ideally in UK)

 

Extended temperature range PIC17C42A version in PLC44 ...

Thanks David


Re: 8350B w/83590A repair advice

 

Hi Chuck
That reminds me
I must order some new cells as all of my 8350 are running without any
batteries

Ok winter job I have collected a truck load of 8620 10 off
so must service and make good should salvage 8 out of the 10

Regards Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris
Sent: 14 December 2019 15:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 8350B w/83590A repair advice

Note that the 8350B has a 3- AA cell nicad battery,
repurposed from the HP-35 calculators. The pack is
on trickle charge whenever the 8350B is turned on,
and after a year, or two of that abuse, spews its
highly caustic guts all over the side of whatever
plugin is in the 8350B at the time.

The electrolyte tends to ruin the GPIB board, and
the plugin's main circuit board.

You might look there.

-Chuck Harris

pa0jme1952@... wrote:
I took a look at the blockdiagram of my 83592, which differs only with an
extra low band mixer,
The sweeper unit is a cascade of
a) YTO o/p 2.4-7.0GHz
b) amplifier
c) isolator
d) YTM (multiplier)
e) YTF
The most probable cause imho is tracking of the 3 YIG devices, at least
that's my experience with the older 86290B which showed the same symptoms.
The tracking is done by opamp controlled current sources and can be caused
by resistor ageing
Unfortunately I gave a few years ago my 83590 manuals away
Best regards Rien








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Re: 2401C Integrating Digital Voltmeter and 2410B AC - Ohms Converter

 

I can't help marveling at the workmanship that went into that equipment.

On 12/14/19 12:39 AM, Patrick Manning wrote:
I have also a set in the repair queue.? My 2401C sounds to be a bit older than yours, Terry, as it's the Dymec-labeled version, s/n 622-01154.? The 2410B is 644-01052, and despite having a lower serial number than yours, mine has an HP-labeled front panel.
I'll need to fabricate some boards to integrate them, though, as they weren't a set and the 2401C is not equipped with the boards needed to let it talk to the 2410B.
Gotta love a full rack width, 20+ inch deep, 13-1/2" tall nearly 100lb stack of gear that will measure DC and AC voltage, and resistance.? One of these years, in my spare time (so called because I have so little of it...)? Cool old boat anchors - it's nice to know others are keeping them alive, too.
Some photos of the 2401C are at
-Pat

On December 13, 2019 at 6:37 PM Terry Gains <terry.waihi@...> wrote:

Who here, runs these find beasts?

My HP 2401C Integrating Digital Voltmeter (SN 811-02807 opt 21,31,146) and HP 2410B AC - Ohms Converter Dymec (SN 644-01126) are about to be restored, interconnected and calibrated.

They don't appear to have been mentioned in this forum before, but I'm betting someone out there is also keeping these in working order.

Incidentally, they are both in pristine condition, remarkable for their age, and the?2410B has a asset sticker from a previous owner, the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, which will be left on the instrument.

Kind regards,
Terry


Re: 2401C Integrating Digital Voltmeter and 2410B AC - Ohms Converter

 

Gentlemen,

There is also a 3461A, which is the AC-Ohms converter for the 3460A. It¡¯s the equivalent of the 2410, I believe. I¡¯ve never seen a 3461 outside of a catalog.

Jeremy?


On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 10:39 PM Patrick Manning <pbmanning@...> wrote:

I have also a set in the repair queue.? My 2401C sounds to be a bit older than yours, Terry, as it's the Dymec-labeled version, s/n 622-01154.? The 2410B is 644-01052, and despite having a lower serial number than yours, mine has an HP-labeled front panel.

I'll need to fabricate some boards to integrate them, though, as they weren't a set and the 2401C is not equipped with the boards needed to let it talk to the 2410B.

Gotta love a full rack width, 20+ inch deep, 13-1/2" tall nearly 100lb stack of gear that will measure DC and AC voltage, and resistance.? One of these years, in my spare time (so called because I have so little of it...)? Cool old boat anchors - it's nice to know others are keeping them alive, too.

Some photos of the 2401C are at?

-Pat

On December 13, 2019 at 6:37 PM Terry Gains <terry.waihi@...> wrote:

Who here, runs these find beasts?

My HP 2401C Integrating Digital Voltmeter (SN 811-02807 opt 21,31,146) and HP 2410B AC - Ohms Converter Dymec (SN 644-01126) are about to be restored, interconnected and calibrated.

They don't appear to have been mentioned in this forum before, but I'm betting someone out there is also keeping these in working order.

Incidentally, they are both in pristine condition, remarkable for their age, and the?2410B has a asset sticker from a previous owner, the NASA? Goddard Space Flight Center, which will be left on the instrument.?

Kind regards,
Terry

--
Jeremy Nichols
6.


Re: Using an 8903B to analyze power audio amp

 

I have a 8903 and have used it with home-built audio amps. Many years ago did I build a dual (as in stereo) dummy load. It is just rated at 21W but that is usually sufficient. It has a bunch of wirewounds and banana jacks so I can configure it for 4 or 8 ohm and it has convenient BNC-outputs on the back.

I wrote a small macro in Excel/VBA to step the frequency and record the distortion values.


83650 Doubler Amplifier

 

Hi! I've got an 83650 signal generator that's starting to get slightly anemic in power level right below 20GHz (8dBm -- it used to be 12 or 13dBm). I went through the YTM bias/tracking calibration and YTF tracking calibration procedures, but wasn't able to improve the performance. I suspect the YTM. In any case, as a quick fix I've been enabling the doubler amplifier in the 13.5-20GHz band, which gives me plenty of power for my needs. It's annoying to have to do this every time I reset the instrument (or a script resets it), as the default doubler amplifier configuration is AUTO rather than ON, and the AUTO configuration turns off the amplifier in the 13.5-20GHz band. The documentation for Doubler Amp Mode AUTO says:
"The doubler has an integral amplifier whose operation is controlled by the instrument firmware. The use of the amplifier depends on the frequency of operation and on the calibration constants set at the factory. The instrument defaults after preset to this automatic mode of operation which is the speci fied operation. This softkey has no eff ect on instruments without a doubler."

I would like to configure AUTO mode to enable the doubler in the 13.5-20GHz band, and the description suggests that this might be possible, but I haven't been able to figure out which calibration constants I should edit to actually accomplish this. Any ideas?

Thanks!
-deWerd


Re: 8350B w/83590A repair advice

 

Note that the 8350B has a 3- AA cell nicad battery,
repurposed from the HP-35 calculators. The pack is
on trickle charge whenever the 8350B is turned on,
and after a year, or two of that abuse, spews its
highly caustic guts all over the side of whatever
plugin is in the 8350B at the time.

The electrolyte tends to ruin the GPIB board, and
the plugin's main circuit board.

You might look there.

-Chuck Harris

pa0jme1952@... wrote:

I took a look at the blockdiagram of my 83592, which differs only with an extra low band mixer,
The sweeper unit is a cascade of
a) YTO o/p 2.4-7.0GHz
b) amplifier
c) isolator
d) YTM (multiplier)
e) YTF
The most probable cause imho is tracking of the 3 YIG devices, at least that's my experience with the older 86290B which showed the same symptoms.
The tracking is done by opamp controlled current sources and can be caused by resistor ageing
Unfortunately I gave a few years ago my 83590 manuals away
Best regards Rien




Re: 8350B w/83590A repair advice

 

I would suspect the YTO. I have seen several fail over the years...... The YTO output at the rear side is a good starting point.....
Good luck, 73? de

Harke


On Saturday, December 14, 2019, 03:54:24 PM GMT+1, jfphp via Groups.Io <jfphp@...> wrote:


There is no YTF in the A and B models : only in the C
On Saturday, December 14, 2019, 3:42:47 PM GMT+1, <pa0jme1952@...> wrote:


I took a look at the blockdiagram of my 83592, which differs only with an extra low band mixer,
The sweeper unit is a cascade of
a) YTO o/p 2.4-7.0GHz
b) amplifier
c) isolator
d) YTM (multiplier)
e) YTF
The most probable cause imho is tracking of the 3 YIG devices, at least that's my experience with the older 86290B which showed the same symptoms.
The tracking is done by opamp controlled current sources and can be caused by resistor ageing
Unfortunately I gave a few years ago my 83590 manuals away?
Best regards Rien


Re: 8350B w/83590A repair advice

 

There is no YTF in the A and B models : only in the C
On Saturday, December 14, 2019, 3:42:47 PM GMT+1, <pa0jme1952@...> wrote:


I took a look at the blockdiagram of my 83592, which differs only with an extra low band mixer,
The sweeper unit is a cascade of
a) YTO o/p 2.4-7.0GHz
b) amplifier
c) isolator
d) YTM (multiplier)
e) YTF
The most probable cause imho is tracking of the 3 YIG devices, at least that's my experience with the older 86290B which showed the same symptoms.
The tracking is done by opamp controlled current sources and can be caused by resistor ageing
Unfortunately I gave a few years ago my 83590 manuals away?
Best regards Rien


Re: 8350B w/83590A repair advice

 

I took a look at the blockdiagram of my 83592, which differs only with an extra low band mixer,
The sweeper unit is a cascade of
a) YTO o/p 2.4-7.0GHz
b) amplifier
c) isolator
d) YTM (multiplier)
e) YTF
The most probable cause imho is tracking of the 3 YIG devices, at least that's my experience with the older 86290B which showed the same symptoms.
The tracking is done by opamp controlled current sources and can be caused by resistor ageing
Unfortunately I gave a few years ago my 83590 manuals away?
Best regards Rien


Re: HP 16500A Problems

 

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Hello All,

Anyone know anything about the power supply made by the OECO Corporation 080-20521-01 that is used in the 16500A

I seem to have cured the initial fuse and mains trip blowing by changing out a couple of cracked capacitors and the mains filter on the input. The PSU now fires up, but the 'OVER CURRENT' led is flashing and while there are voltages on the output pins none of them are where they should be. ?There is about 70 volts on the 120 volt output. No signs of anything in distress on the board. While I've had a look I can't find too much information on the Internet, so any pointers would help.

Thanks.

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Best regards,
?John ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
mailto:john@...


Re: HP 8970B noise figure meter with E18

 

Update: as I'm always suspicous about double faults, I checked the A4U1 mixer as far as I could and also the 300MHz amp. It turned out the 300MHz Filter was misaligned. After realigning, I got about the same level for the 20MHz and the 580MHz Signal at the output of the mixer.

Maybe someone tried to "repair" E18 by randomly playing with the most accessible alignments.

cheers
Martin


Re: 2401C Integrating Digital Voltmeter and 2410B AC - Ohms Converter

 

Hey Pat,

What good fortune to find you here. On behalf of many, thanks for your photo essay on the?and other fine HP instruments. Your work is no-doubt preserved as the screen saver or desktop image of choice by many HP fans. Maybe your?2410B might get the same treatment one fine day?

If I recall correctly, we once bought?HP 3460B digital voltmeters from the same source?

Re: "I'll need to fabricate some boards to integrate them, though, as they weren't a set and the 2401C is not equipped with the boards needed to let it talk to the 2410B".
Magic! You might be speaking of the A9 Units Coupling and the A3 Delay Gate boards. I'm not expecting to find those installed when I open the 2401C and will need to look at getting some PBCs made to order and share them with folk like yourself.?

I'd also like to have Option 29 Frequency Measurement to 1.2 MHz, so this is another PCB to be ordered and shared. If you have to go to extent of making option 29, then you might as well look at pushing the frequency.?

Please let me know if you were thinking of additional options.

I'll be re-producing the PCBs from images using the service manual as a reference, so there's no telling how long this might take.

Re: "Gotta love a full rack width, 20+ inch deep, 13-1/2" tall nearly 100 lb stack of gear that will measure DC and AC voltage, and resistance.? One of these years, in my spare time (so called because I have so little of it...)? Cool old boat anchors - it's nice to know others are keeping them alive, too.".?
Absolutely. HP certainly believed this when placing them prominently in a number of late 60's advertisements.?




Hello Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

It's amazing to hear that you keep both a 2401C and an working order?2402A. I've never heard of a 2402A for sale, so you have an?ultra rare part of HP history on your hands. Well done. I've seen two 2410Bs and one?2410A?on eBay in the last ten years and was lucky enough to win a?2410B.


Some of my Christmas leave will be devoted to at least getting the
?2401C?operational and recalibrated. That and reproducing some PCBs to interface the 2401C and 2410B.


I apologise for a quality of the picture below (1. I'm no Patrick Manning, and 2. it was taken with an old phone just now) but if you've never seen a?2410B, my?2410B is between the 2401C?and the 3460B?at the bottom.



Let's stay in touch.?If you ever want some options for the?2401C,?I'm looking at reproducing some.

Kind regards,
Terry


Re: 2401C Integrating Digital Voltmeter and 2410B AC - Ohms Converter

 

I have also a set in the repair queue.? My 2401C sounds to be a bit older than yours, Terry, as it's the Dymec-labeled version, s/n 622-01154.? The 2410B is 644-01052, and despite having a lower serial number than yours, mine has an HP-labeled front panel.

I'll need to fabricate some boards to integrate them, though, as they weren't a set and the 2401C is not equipped with the boards needed to let it talk to the 2410B.

Gotta love a full rack width, 20+ inch deep, 13-1/2" tall nearly 100lb stack of gear that will measure DC and AC voltage, and resistance.? One of these years, in my spare time (so called because I have so little of it...)? Cool old boat anchors - it's nice to know others are keeping them alive, too.

Some photos of the 2401C are at?

-Pat

On December 13, 2019 at 6:37 PM Terry Gains <terry.waihi@...> wrote:

Who here, runs these find beasts?

My HP 2401C Integrating Digital Voltmeter (SN 811-02807 opt 21,31,146) and HP 2410B AC - Ohms Converter Dymec (SN 644-01126) are about to be restored, interconnected and calibrated.

They don't appear to have been mentioned in this forum before, but I'm betting someone out there is also keeping these in working order.

Incidentally, they are both in pristine condition, remarkable for their age, and the?2410B has a asset sticker from a previous owner, the NASA? Goddard Space Flight Center, which will be left on the instrument.?

Kind regards,
Terry


Re: 2401C Integrating Digital Voltmeter and 2410B AC - Ohms Converter

 

On 12/13/19 6:37 PM, Terry Gains wrote:
Who here, runs these find beasts?

My HP 2401C Integrating Digital Voltmeter (SN 811-02807 opt 21,31,146)
and HP 2410B AC - Ohms Converter Dymec (SN 644-01126) are about to be
restored, interconnected and calibrated.

They don't appear to have been mentioned in this forum before, but I'm
betting someone out there is also keeping these in working order.
I believe they are fairly rare. I have one, as yet untested, along
with what I believe is its successor, a 2402A. The 2402A works but is
beyond its calibration range, so I need to dig into it.

I hope I can get the 2401 working someday. I do have the service
manual, just need time.

I'd never even heard of the AC/Ohms converter. Neat!

Incidentally, they are both in pristine condition, remarkable for their
age, and the?2410B has a asset sticker from a previous owner, the
NASA?Goddard Space Flight Center, which will be left on the instrument.?
Nice, I used to live right down the street from there.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA