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Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:00 PM Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@...> wrote:

? ?How do I change the way an Android app lets me read my email? There is only one for Earthlink's web mail. I only download what I haven't deleted, when the 300 MB inbox is close to full. Other times I have to use another computer to access it, like while in a hurricane shelter. Those computers wiped out anything you download, when you log out. Other times, I use the Android app on a KODI TV set top box, which doesn't let me download any messages.

I have an archive of downloaded email going back over 20 years, but I can't always read email on my dedicated Email computer. I also have saved Usenet messages going back 21 years.



FWIW, I have an account at .? I have gmail import all my incoming email at such that it shows up in my gmail inbox.? I see that there are instructions for gmail to suck down email from Earthlink too...? I usually access gmail through a web browser, but use the app on the iphone occasionally.? Obviously, there is an Android app.? The email stays in googles cloud.? I'm not concerned about the security, email isn't a secure medium anyway.

As for threading, gmail does it just fine as long as the headers are there.? It's relatively rare that threads get broken up.? They also have semi-reasonable filtering, so I can sort lists into their own folders (though they call it labelling, the effect is the same though you can put more than one label on a given email).

There's nothing stopping one getting a gmail account, never giving out the address and using it to import from other accounts.? They give me the option of sending from my drizzle account as necessary.? In fact, should I need to access my drizzle account directly, I'm going to have to call them as I've forgotten the password.
Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@...>
Sent: Oct 30, 2018 12:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

On 10/30/2018 12:25 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
There is nothing I an do about that, other than change providers and try to update my information on over 100 business websites. Frankly, I think that 99% of the internet is broken due to the low grade programmers who keep screwing with the software to add unwanted 'features', and who gut what you really need.
Changing your mail program (MUAs, Mail User Agent) has NOTHING AT ALL
to do with changing mail *providers* or your email address!

How do I change the way an Android app lets me read my email? There is only one for Earthlink's web mail. I only download what I haven't deleted, when the 300 MB inbox is close to full. Other times I have to use another computer to access it, like while in a hurricane shelter. Those computers wiped out anything you download, when you log out. Other times, I use the Android app on a KODI TV set top box, which doesn't let me download any messages.

I have an archive of downloaded email going back over 20 years, but I can't always read email on my dedicated Email computer. I also have saved Usenet messages going back 21 years.
Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

On 10/30/2018 12:25 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
There is nothing I an do about that, other than change providers and try to update my information on over 100 business websites. Frankly, I think that 99% of the internet is broken due to the low grade programmers who keep screwing with the software to add unwanted 'features', and who gut what you really need.
Changing your mail program (MUAs, Mail User Agent) has NOTHING AT ALL
to do with changing mail *providers* or your email address!

-Dave

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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018, Bryan Fields wrote:

On 10/30/18 12:12 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Why should I have to change my Email service, just to please others?
Your MUA is broken per RFC 2822 "Internet Message Format":

3.6.4. Identification fields

Though optional, every message SHOULD have a "Message-ID:" field.
Furthermore, reply messages SHOULD have "In-Reply-To:" and
"References:" fields as appropriate, as described below.
SHOULD != MUST. Both are used within RFCs and they have DIFFERENT meaning.

But that is secondary to the fact that email was never supposed to be a
discussion instrument so nobody cares threading mail messages. Especially
those stored in random order in MBOX format on local machine that is usually
the case for any sane person -- never ever store ANYTHING on third party
server and remember that Microsoft is not an answer, it is a question and
the answer is "NO!".

What should and IS threaded by any sane _NEWS_reader are NEWS messages e.g.
from usenet. But those are _NOT_ emails and not addressed to anybody so they
form discussion threads. This is what they had been designed for.

Threaded email discussions are oxymoron. Email is NOT designed for
discussion threads. Emails are ADDRESSED messages from particular
address[es] to another particular address[es] and their threading is a poor
man's hack for proper newsgroups.

Ever tried usenet?

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Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

There is nothing I an do about that, other than change providers and try to update my information on over 100 business websites. Frankly, I think that 99% of the internet is broken due to the low grade programmers who keep screwing with the software to add unwanted 'features', and who gut what you really need.


Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Fields <bryan@...>
Sent: Oct 30, 2018 12:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

On 10/30/18 12:12 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Why should I have to change my Email service, just to please others?
Your MUA is broken per RFC 2822 "Internet Message Format":

3.6.4. Identification fields

Though optional, every message SHOULD have a "Message-ID:" field.
Furthermore, reply messages SHOULD have "In-Reply-To:" and
"References:" fields as appropriate, as described below.


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Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

On 10/30/18 12:12 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Why should I have to change my Email service, just to please others?
Your MUA is broken per RFC 2822 "Internet Message Format":

3.6.4. Identification fields

Though optional, every message SHOULD have a "Message-ID:" field.
Furthermore, reply messages SHOULD have "In-Reply-To:" and
"References:" fields as appropriate, as described below.


--
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

Why should I have to change my Email service, just to please others?


Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Fields <bryan@...>
Sent: Oct 30, 2018 12:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

On 10/29/18 10:56 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Earthlink Webmail doesn't show threading, either in a browser or with their
cell phone app.
You should get a better MUA then, as it appears to not insert "In-Reply-To:"
or "References:" headers which break threading.
Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

On 10/29/18 10:56 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Earthlink Webmail doesn't show threading, either in a browser or with their
cell phone app.
You should get a better MUA then, as it appears to not insert "In-Reply-To:"
or "References:" headers which break threading.

--
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

Earthlink Webmail doesn't show threading, either in a browser or with their cell phone app. Neither of these are 'ancient' programs. There are times that I can't download messages before reading them, so any message without a minimum of a few quoted lines is deleted. I live in the S.E. U.S. where hurricanes and storms can take out my power or internet for extended periods. I recently went 15 days with no phone or internet, because Spectrum couldn't be bothered to fix their crappy broadband hardware. There are some one the group who are getting close to being kill filed on my Email account because of their contentless postings.


Michael A. Terrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Kuba Ober <kuba@...>
Sent: Oct 29, 2018 6:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

I had threading and filtering into folders in ancient Eudora and pine over a decade ago¡­ I don¡¯t understand how one can manage without it, and how obsolete of an email client it would take not to have that functionality (perhaps off by default, but still easily enable-able). Every modern email reader, whether stand-alone or web-based, threads and filters messages into folders. I really wonder what sort of an antique client it takes not to have that functionality. I don¡¯t see the need to delete any messages either, it seems like useless busywork and a waste of time, since we won¡¯t ever run out of space. The time spent deleting the messages or manually organizing them is more expensive than the storage thus ¡°saved¡±. They compress well, too.

Cheers, Kuba
Re: Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B

 

is the regulator board connected to the system (goes to A5)?
if the output of A17 is not loaded then you have to connect the sense lines to the supply line for each rail otherwise
voltages are all over the place because the feedback path is broken
Re: Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B

 

Ops, I just realized I didn't have the 0.2A fuse installed on the rectifier board, the readings are a little better now, still no cigar though with regulator

1 11.63
2 11.64
3 11.41
4 0
5 0
6 0
7 0
8 -24
9 -0.27
10 0.14
11 0
12 25
13 25
14 72

Test points on regulator
+50V? - -0.069V
+15V? - -0.28V
-15V? - -0.84V
+5V?? - -0.26V
-5V??? - -2.2V
SMA connectors surplus cheap

 

I've got a bunch of Molex 73251-1160 SMA pcb solder mount connectors extra if anyone wants some --


They are similar to current model

$5 for 5 + $3 postage for up to 25 of them. Will be packed in foam to mail without those envelopes they are pictured in.
Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

Was only suggesting that we revert if possible to "Standard" which we had in Yahoo in this regard...but it is YOUR group and it is good to be king.

Meanwhile I will wear the letters of my delete key ...DELETE...DELETE.....DELETE

Dave
"Religion is like a tooth brush ...everyone ought to have on e...every one ought to use it every day ...but don't ask me to use yours"

On 10/29/2018 6:17 PM, Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, 18:19 Artekmedia, <manuals@... <mailto:manuals@...>> wrote:

_*AMEN !
*_
David K , Mr List Owner: One of things that changed from Yahoo to
groups
.IO. IN yahoo when using the website interface? it automatically
included the prior message(s) when replying, with Groups IO the
default
is NOT to include the prior message without the person replying
taking
an extra step. IS there anyway to change the default reply format
with
in the IO interface? Those of us using our own mail clients generally
don't have the problem but those using the web interface to reply do.

I for one just delete threads that include prior continuity...more is
the loss

Dave
manuals@... <mailto:manuals@...>


I am reluctant to change anything, as it is like the top-posting/bottom-posting topic. Whatever changes one made would upset as many as it pleases. It is like arguing about religion - a futile exercise.

Dave.



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Manuals@...
www.ArtekManuals.com
Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, 18:19 Artekmedia, <manuals@...> wrote:
_*AMEN !
*_
David K , Mr List Owner: One of things that changed from Yahoo to groups
.IO. IN yahoo when using the website interface? it automatically
included the prior message(s) when replying, with Groups IO the default
is NOT to include the prior message without the person replying taking
an extra step. IS there anyway to change the default reply format with
in the IO interface? Those of us using our own mail clients generally
don't have the problem but those using the web interface to reply do.

I for one just delete threads that include prior continuity...more is
the loss

Dave
manuals@...

I am reluctant to change anything, as it is like the top-posting/bottom-posting topic. Whatever changes one made would upset as many as it pleases. It is like arguing about religion - a futile exercise.?

Dave.?
Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

I had threading and filtering into folders in ancient Eudora and pine over a decade ago¡­ I don¡¯t understand how one can manage without it, and how obsolete of an email client it would take not to have that functionality (perhaps off by default, but still easily enable-able). Every modern email reader, whether stand-alone or web-based, threads and filters messages into folders. I really wonder what sort of an antique client it takes not to have that functionality. I don¡¯t see the need to delete any messages either, it seems like useless busywork and a waste of time, since we won¡¯t ever run out of space. The time spent deleting the messages or manually organizing them is more expensive than the storage thus ¡°saved¡±. They compress well, too.

Cheers, Kuba

29 okt. 2018 kl. 18:01 skrev Sergey Kubushyn <ksi@...>:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

Sorry for sending it twice, network glitch...

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Kuba Ober wrote:

Are you using a mail client that doesn¡¯t keep threads together? Resending
all of that stuff seems wasteful, it¡¯s not as if the previous messages
disappear into the void¡­ Any sane email client will show the replied-to
messages preceding the reply itself. Isn¡¯t that so?
It looks like you don't understand what mail reader is.

Just remember, there are other OSes than Windoze. There are also text mode
mail clients that doesn't show all those behemytes of stupid html code
automatically. BTW, e-mail was there even before Windoze.

Have you ever happened to look at email headers? Do you think "Me too"
message constitutes a whole percent of the entire email?

Economy nonwithstanding can you explain why anybody would keep many separate
messages instead of one including the entire thread? Do you think one would
enjoy many thousands of messages to navigate through? Do you understand how
many messages e.g. LKML or U-Boot developers' mailing list generates?

Please note that people who are really busy delete _EVERYTHING_ "Me too"
without reading and won't chase any threads unless absolutely necessary.

And no, mail readers don't thread messages.
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Re: Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B

 

I have an update in which I measured the voltages on the assembled A17 regulator board

Test points on regulator
+50V? - -0.069V
+15V? - -0.82V
-15V? - -0.27V
+5V?? - -0.02V
-5V??? - -2.2V

J3 connector on the rectifier board going from pin 1 to 14 as printed on the PCB, measurements taken with the regulator board installed
1 11.63
2 11.64
3 11.41
4 0
5 0
6 0
7 0
8 -2.3
9 0.27
10 0
11 0
12 2.43
13 24
14 0.2
Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:

Sorry for sending it twice, network glitch...

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Kuba Ober wrote:

Are you using a mail client that doesn¡¯t keep threads together? Resending
all of that stuff seems wasteful, it¡¯s not as if the previous messages
disappear into the void¡­ Any sane email client will show the replied-to
messages preceding the reply itself. Isn¡¯t that so?
It looks like you don't understand what mail reader is.

Just remember, there are other OSes than Windoze. There are also text mode
mail clients that doesn't show all those behemytes of stupid html code
automatically. BTW, e-mail was there even before Windoze.

Have you ever happened to look at email headers? Do you think "Me too"
message constitutes a whole percent of the entire email?

Economy nonwithstanding can you explain why anybody would keep many separate
messages instead of one including the entire thread? Do you think one would
enjoy many thousands of messages to navigate through? Do you understand how
many messages e.g. LKML or U-Boot developers' mailing list generates?

Please note that people who are really busy delete _EVERYTHING_ "Me too"
without reading and won't chase any threads unless absolutely necessary.

And no, mail readers don't thread messages.
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* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
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Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Kuba Ober wrote:

Are you using a mail client that doesn¡¯t keep threads together? Resending
all of that stuff seems wasteful, it¡¯s not as if the previous messages
disappear into the void¡­ Any sane email client will show the replied-to
messages preceding the reply itself. Isn¡¯t that so?
It looks like you don't understand what mail reader is.

Just remember, there are other OSes than Windoze. There are also text mode
mail clients that doesn't show all those behemytes of stupid html code
automatically. BTW, e-mail was there even before Windoze.

Have you ever happened to look at email headers? Do you think "Me too"
message constitutes a whole percent of the entire email?

Economy nonwithstanding can you explain why anybody would keep many separate
messages instead of one including the entire thread? Do you think one would
enjoy many thousands of messages to navigate through? Do you understand how
many messages e.g. LKML or U-Boot developers' mailing list generates?

Please note that people who are really busy delete _EVERYTHING_ "Me too"
without reading and won't chase any threads unless absolutely necessary.

And no, mail readers don't thread messages.

---
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* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
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Re: Quoting Prior Messages (Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Transistors for the A17 voltage regulator 8642B)

 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Kuba Ober wrote:

It looks like you don't understand what mail reader is.

Just remember, there are other OSes than Windoze. There are also text mode
mail clients that doesn't show all those behemytes of stupid html code
automatically. BTW, e-mail was there even before Windoze.

Have you ever happened to look at email headers? Do you think "Me too"
message constitutes a whole percent of the entire email?

Economy nonwithstanding can you explain why anybody would keep many separate
messages instead of one including the entire thread? Do you think one would
enjoy many thousands of messages to navigate through? Do you understand how
many messages e.g. LKML or U-Boot developers' mailing list generates?

Please note that people who are really busy delete _EVERYTHING_ "Me too"
without reading and won't chase any threads unless absolutely necessary.

And no, mail readers don't thread messages.

Are you using a mail client that doesn¡¯t keep threads together? Resending
all of that stuff seems wasteful, it¡¯s not as if the previous messages
disappear into the void¡­ Any sane email client will show the replied-to
messages preceding the reply itself. Isn¡¯t that so?

Cheers, Kuba

29 okt. 2018 kl. 14:23 skrev Artekmedia <manuals@...>:

That should have said : I for one just delete threads that DO NOT include prior continuity...more is the loss


On 10/29/2018 2:19 PM, Artekmedia wrote:
_*AMEN !
*_
David K , Mr List Owner: One of things that changed from Yahoo to groups .IO. IN yahoo when using the website interface??? it automatically included the prior message(s) when replying, with Groups IO the default is NOT to include the prior message without the person replying taking an extra step. IS there anyway to change the default reply format with in the IO interface? Those of us using our own mail clients generally don't have the problem but those using the web interface to reply do.

I for one just delete threads that include prior continuity...more is the loss

Dave
manuals@...

On 10/29/2018 1:13 PM, Glenn Little wrote:
This is the problem when people insist on not quoting the original message and appropriate replies.

A little net etiquette goes a long way and reduces questions and confusion.

Glenn


On 10/29/2018 12:41 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Goran Finnberg wrote:

Sergey Kubushyn:

2N4401 is _NOT_ a transistor. It is THYRISTOR aka SCR.
Sorry, no.

The 2N4401 is an NPN transistor.

Datasheet here:

www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/2N4401-D.PDF
I think 4401 is a typo -- it is a TO-92 transistor and original post was
about 2N4101 in TO-66 package:

pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets/newjerseysemiconductor/2N4101-2N4102.pdf

There is no 2N4401 in TO-66; it is a low power general purpose transistor,
nothing special.
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Re: HP 8341B Band 3 Un Levelled

 

I've had a problem similar to yours a few years ago with a 8340B. Swapping modules didn't help. It turned out that some of the feed-through caps (from the modules through the main PCB) had become leaky! Resistances of a few kOhms! Cleaning them (just the "isolation" part, while mounted in te PCB) solved the problem.

Raymond
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