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Re: E4406A firmware update Win7/10 problem

 

Hi John,

I could do that :)

Dunno if MS would get their knickers-in-a-knot over XP being distributed like that though.

regards

Tim

On 3/10/2018 9:43 AM, John Miles wrote:
I've been through your pain with my E4406A , so now I have a dedicated
XP VM just for the task.
That's the way to go, all right. If your VM image doesn't contain anything private, you might think about zipping it up and uploading it to the manuals/firmware section at www.ko4bb.com .

-- john, KE5FX



Re: E4406A firmware update Win7/10 problem

 

I've been through your pain with my E4406A , so now I have a dedicated
XP VM just for the task.
That's the way to go, all right. If your VM image doesn't contain anything private, you might think about zipping it up and uploading it to the manuals/firmware section at www.ko4bb.com .

-- john, KE5FX


Re: E4406A firmware update Win7/10 problem

 

Hi Neil,

As per the email from Kuba...

On 2/10/2018 11:06 PM, Kuba Ober wrote:

Neil, probably the ¡°ancient¡± XP virtual machine would be ideal.
+1 this .

I've been through your pain with my E4406A , so now I have a dedicated XP VM just for the task.

regards

Tim


Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 02:39 PM, jafinch78 . wrote:
Then I found this link also with some more options:?
Looks like this is the only product for sale from the manuf. based on the above reference:?https://www.addonics.com/products/adsalvd160.php


Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Mark Litwack wrote:
after looking just now it seems to have vanished for any reasonable price.? $1000+ is crazy pricing.

Correct.? Do you have a reader to make a copy of the firmware and hopefully the PCB isn't many layers so a photo can help with reverse engineering? :-|)

Does seem more feasible after observing the pricing.?

I did find there are a few more adapters that have been made over the years... all if found at crazy pricing:

AztecMonster CF-3.5" SCSI Converter Card
Acard A500 and ACA500
IO-Data R-IDSC-E/R & IDSC21-E
Yamaha V769970

Then I found this link also with some more options:?

I sent cf2scsi a message for the price and I'll reply back with what cf2scsi support responds back with.?


Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)

 

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I bought a SCSI2SD v5.0b in November 2017 and installed it in my 16702B and got it running without too much
trouble.?? There were some small mechanical issues but nothing too much.?? I got a bunch of GNU software
downloaded and running as well.?? I did not alter the SCSI wiring, just replaced the hard disk with the SCSI2SD.
I left the CD drive as originally configured.??? It seems like a good product.

Pete.

On 10/2/2018 12:52 PM, csc316@... wrote:

I had trouble with the SCSI2SD v6 in both a 16702A and a 16702B.? Inertial Computing couldn't really figure it out either.? I finally tracked it down to the SCSI2SD couldn't be on the same SCSI chain with the CD ROM drive in either model analyzer.? But the analyzer's original hard drive could be on the same SCSI chain with the SCSI2SD card.? Weird.? So in the end, I had to do a two step process of 1) reigniting a working SCSI hard drive with the latest OS from the CD ROM drive, then 2) disconnect the CD ROM drive and do a DD (unix disk copy command) of the hard drive to the SCSI2SD.? From then on, the SCSI2SD worked without the hard drive installed (though, as indicated, the speed improvement isn't really there, probably due to other bottlenecks in the disk subsystem).? All this would require one to have a working hard drive in the analyzer to begin with, of course.? Which, without a speed improvement, doesn't offer a lot of value to using the SCSI2SD in this application (though I kept it and use it in the 16702B, keeping the original working hard drive as a backup since I wouldn't be able to reignite directly to the SCSI2SD if it failed).

The owner of Inertial Computing was very helpful in diagnosing all of this.? Great guy to work with.? But ultimately, the technology just didn't quite work as expected in THIS particular application...at least for me and across two analyzers.

Scott
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Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)

 

The Acard ARS-2000SUP was $200 when I bought it about a year ago, and that was already more than what I wanted to sink into an old logic analyzer.? But I had to know if it was going to get me the big speed improvement.? I bought it new on ebay, and after looking just now it seems to have vanished for any reasonable price.? $1000+ is crazy pricing.

You could send mail to Inertial Computing and ask about the 16601A with the SCSI2SD v6.? The 16601A appears in the compatibility list for the v5 here:



Inertial Computing did give me a full refund after we failed to get the v6 working.

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In my search for solid state SCSI devices, I also came across this:

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No prices and I have no experience with them.? Judging by the fancy look of their web site and their customer brag list, it's probably expensive.

Of course there's always the possibility of finding an actual SSD SCSI drive, but compatibility with the16601A will likely be hit-or-miss, and like everything SCSI now-a-days, sure to be over-priced.


Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 09:05 AM, Mark Litwack wrote:
Acard ARS-2000SUP

Good info that pointed me in a direction I was wanting to go with the 16601A.? I was thinking about using the Noctua fan on my TDS-520 mod test bed. Specs don't match however.

Are there any other PATA/SATA to SCSI converters other than the Acard ARS-2000SUP on the market??

$1,000 was more than I expected to find and seems like an interesting project in itself.? I'd like a copy of that systems firmware and schematic.

Had anyone tried on the SCSI2SD v5 or SCSI2SD v6 on a 16601A or 16600 series?


Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)

 

I had trouble with the SCSI2SD v6 in both a 16702A and a 16702B.? Inertial Computing couldn't really figure it out either.? I finally tracked it down to the SCSI2SD couldn't be on the same SCSI chain with the CD ROM drive in either model analyzer.? But the analyzer's original hard drive could be on the same SCSI chain with the SCSI2SD card.? Weird.? So in the end, I had to do a two step process of 1) reigniting a working SCSI hard drive with the latest OS from the CD ROM drive, then 2) disconnect the CD ROM drive and do a DD (unix disk copy command) of the hard drive to the SCSI2SD.? From then on, the SCSI2SD worked without the hard drive installed (though, as indicated, the speed improvement isn't really there, probably due to other bottlenecks in the disk subsystem).? All this would require one to have a working hard drive in the analyzer to begin with, of course.? Which, without a speed improvement, doesn't offer a lot of value to using the SCSI2SD in this application (though I kept it and use it in the 16702B, keeping the original working hard drive as a backup since I wouldn't be able to reignite directly to the SCSI2SD if it failed).

The owner of Inertial Computing was very helpful in diagnosing all of this.? Great guy to work with.? But ultimately, the technology just didn't quite work as expected in THIS particular application...at least for me and across two analyzers.

Scott
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Re: 16702A/B fan upgrade (was Recently accuired a Hp 16700a)

 

I have a 16702B logic analyzer, and I was unable to get the SCSI2SD v6 to work on it after over a month of back and forth with Inertial Computing.? They thought it was a signaling level problem and even sent me a modified board to try, but to no avail.? That was about a year and a half ago, and I still don't see the 16702B on their compatibility list.? The 16702A *is* on the list, but I can't vouch for it.

I also tried the SCSI2SD v5, and that worked fine, but it was actually about 15% slower than the original hard drive (measuring a boot time of about 3:20).

I eventually ended up with an Acard ARS-2000SUP, which is a 20MB/s SATA to SCSI converter, and installed an SSD in it.? That was only faster by about 10-20%.

I was hoping for a big improvement in getting rid of the mechanical disk, but clearly these systems are constrained by more than just disk I/O.


Re: Power Supply PCB Microfuses for H/P 8656A

 

Those plug-in fuses are convenient but expensive. Just replacing missing ones can take a lot of money at over $5 a pop, and if they start blowing and you have to troubleshoot, it can get quite painful. If you are willing to solder in a leaded fuse that looks like a small resistor you can save a lot of money, which is what I did years ago? on an HP 8640B signal generator. You do lose the convenience of a plug-in but it costs a lot less. (I wrote about this in my "Idea Exchange" column in the QRP Quarterly, a small ham radio publication, in 2011.)

I have some things to take care of today but I'll pass along some DigiKey numbers later. (The leaded fuses from Littelfuse cost under a dollar each.)



Re: External display for Hp 4145a

 

The 4145A/B uses the well known 1345A display module.? You can find this in innumerable other instruments.


On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 5:54 PM Don Bitters via Groups.Io <donbitters=[email protected]> wrote:
If you have a bad display on the 4145A, you have a few options. There are Tektronik xyz displays available that have scalable inputs, they are available in BW and color.? I have one here that I am selling for a friend.? I don't recall if the 4145A has xyz crt display or the dot raster, without doing a little research.? Probably the B or C version has the dot raster, the C version may also be color.
Don Bitters


E4407B analyser

 

Hi,
I have a problem with this instrument.
In analyser mode, when I will activate Zoom function, it freeze during two long minutes and then it works.
When I push Next Window, again 2 long minutes hanging out.
Any idea or diagnostic to run?
What results about clearing RAM or Flash as describe in service manual?
best regards.

tags: E4401B E4403B E4405B E4407B spectrum analyser freeze hangout


Re: E4406A firmware update Win7/10 problem

 

Neil, probably the ¡°ancient¡± XP virtual machine would be ideal. If you could also do a full Wireshark capture while doing the update, it might be possible to reverse-engineer the protocol and write a modern replacement. I doubt that they did anything very fancy. It might be a good old TFTP transfer for all I know.

Cheers, Kuba

2 okt. 2018 kl. 08:51 skrev Neil Smith <neil@...>:

When I try to use the Agilent firmware updater (from the website) for my E4406A, I get warnings about the ancient MS JVM it tries to run. If I mess with the path, I can get it to run, but although the updater runs and netstat shows has a listening port on 0.0.0.0 UDP for BOOTP, it doesn't respond to the BOOTP request from the 4406 during the upgrade. If I run a different bootp agent in place of the updater, it issues a good IP to the 4406. This is the same on a Win7 and two Win10 platforms. (Firewalls and AV disabled in all cases)

All three can read the current cal and config files before I reboot into the bios. After a SEA (02), I see option 0 is the LAN card, so I pick that (03), and then select no interactive (down arrow), and the 4406 asks the LAN for the IP but never gets it.

On the LAN, I have a router, but very oddly, if I remove it and just run a bare Cisco switch with the 4406 and a PC, the 4406 doesn't detect the LAN interface at all. No sign of any obvious broadcast traffic or discovery packets, but I've not (yet) done a port monitor and captured all the L2 traffic on Wireshark. Pings, ftp and telnet all work fine with the 4406 running normally.

If I try to run the updater using the latest javaw.exe (update 181) or java.exe, it throws the usual errors about not being able to find the main class in the .jar

Is there a workaround I can use? Maybe unzip the .jar and put the classes into a folder and tell java to search there? Maybe run an ancient XP VM, or run the thing in Linux? Or can I use PXEboot or tftp with separate bootp, or some other way to get this thing updated? Any hints would be very much appreciated (other than time travel).

Current firmware is from 2000, the one I am trying to use is from 2007. Oh, and of course, the 4406 backlights are totally dead, so I have to use a LED torch to try to read the display.

Neil




E4406A firmware update Win7/10 problem

 

When I try to use the Agilent firmware updater (from the website) for my E4406A, I get warnings about the ancient MS JVM it tries to run.? If I mess with the path, I can get it to run, but although the updater runs and netstat shows has a listening port on 0.0.0.0 UDP for BOOTP, it doesn't respond to the BOOTP request from the 4406 during the upgrade.? If I run a different bootp agent in place of the updater, it issues a good IP to the 4406.? This is the same on a Win7 and two Win10 platforms. (Firewalls and AV disabled in all cases)

All three can read the current cal and config files before I reboot into the bios.? After a SEA (02), I see option 0 is the LAN card, so I pick that (03), and then select no interactive (down arrow), and the 4406 asks the LAN for the IP but never gets it.

On the LAN, I have a router, but very oddly, if I remove it and just run a bare Cisco switch with the 4406 and a PC, the 4406 doesn't detect the LAN interface at all.? No sign of any obvious broadcast traffic or discovery packets, but I've not (yet) done a port monitor and captured all the L2 traffic on Wireshark. Pings, ftp and telnet all work fine with the 4406 running normally.

If I try to run the updater using the latest javaw.exe (update 181) or java.exe, it throws the usual errors about not being able to find the main class in the .jar

Is there a workaround I can use?? Maybe unzip the .jar and put the classes into a folder and tell java to search there?? Maybe run an ancient XP VM, or run the thing in Linux? Or can I use PXEboot or tftp with separate bootp, or some other way to get this thing updated?? Any hints would be very much appreciated (other than time travel).

Current firmware is from 2000, the one I am trying to use is from 2007.? Oh, and of course, the 4406 backlights are totally dead, so I have to use a LED torch to try to read the display.

Neil


Re: MATLAB GPIB Instrument Control Applications

 

Thanks Dick, I think I do some cherry picking on your matlab effort. Actually did a lot matlab work during the last two decades of my working life.
Saw some interesting instruments among them and use in my homelab either NI usb controller or the cheaper one by Prologix
Best regards Rien PA0JME


HP 8935 E6380A wont power up

 

Hi all,

My trusty E6380A failed to proceed this morning and preliminary investigations as to the cause prove zip.

Do these things have a common fault I could go look for ?

Any pointers to what might be the cause ?

Any path to resolution gratefully appreciated.

Service manuals don't have schematics so that's not helpful.

thanks

Tim


Re: MATLAB GPIB Instrument Control Applications

 

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If you send me an off list email, I can look for some old code re that.

I used a HP 6624A and a Solartron 7150.

Tam
With best regards
Tam HANNA (emailing on a BlackBerry PRIV)

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Am 2. Oktober 2018 08:37:47 MESZ schrieb Aaron Jackson <aaron@...>:

Wow, excellent contributions. I have been wondering if I could get my
power supply to act as a rudimentary curve tracer over GPIB and it looks
like you've already done it.

I only have a self-built arduino GPIB adapter but I am very tempted to
see if it works in MATLAB now as I'm also a bit of a "MATLABaholic" (as
you put it)

Thanks!

Aaron

Dick Benson writes:

Greetings HP Group

Over the past decade or so, I have been enjoying lashing instrumentation to a PC via GPIB/HPIB and controlling it via MATLAB. I am a MATLAB aholic

Recently a dozen or so applications were uploaded to the MathWorks File Repository.
Maybe a few of you folks will find something of interest.

S Parameter Utilities





HP 8753 VNA Control





Amplifier Design Tool





A Semiconductor Curve Tracer





A Single Channel Data Logger





A Four Channel GPIB Data Logger





HP 8970 Noise Figure Meter Control





Spectrum Analysis with HP 8568b-8566b





Two Port Measurements with HP 3577a





A Tool for Measuring High Q Resonators





VNA S11 Tracks





VNA Impedance Measurement





GPIB Control of HP Counters





I use (and actually like) Win 7 with the Agilent 82357b HPIB/USB adapter.

Kind regards,

Dick




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Re: MATLAB GPIB Instrument Control Applications

Aaron Jackson
 

Wow, excellent contributions. I have been wondering if I could get my
power supply to act as a rudimentary curve tracer over GPIB and it looks
like you've already done it.

I only have a self-built arduino GPIB adapter but I am very tempted to
see if it works in MATLAB now as I'm also a bit of a "MATLABaholic" (as
you put it)

Thanks!

Aaron

Dick Benson writes:

Greetings HP Group

Over the past decade or so, I have been enjoying lashing instrumentation to a PC via GPIB/HPIB and controlling it via MATLAB. I am a MATLAB aholic

Recently a dozen or so applications were uploaded to the MathWorks File Repository.
Maybe a few of you folks will find something of interest.

S Parameter Utilities





HP 8753 VNA Control





Amplifier Design Tool





A Semiconductor Curve Tracer





A Single Channel Data Logger





A Four Channel GPIB Data Logger





HP 8970 Noise Figure Meter Control





Spectrum Analysis with HP 8568b-8566b





Two Port Measurements with HP 3577a





A Tool for Measuring High Q Resonators





VNA S11 Tracks





VNA Impedance Measurement





GPIB Control of HP Counters





I use (and actually like) Win 7 with the Agilent 82357b HPIB/USB adapter.

Kind regards,

Dick

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Re: Power Supply PCB Microfuses for H/P 8656A

 

Hi Don -?

I gather from your call sign that you're in New Zealand.? I'm not sure if Digi Key will be much use (seems to me guys on the eevblog from Aus and NZ mention using them, so maybe...), but they carry what I think are the correct fuses, and have stock.

I downloaded the PDF manual from Keysight and they appear to be Littelfuse Micro 273 series fuses - the manual lists them as mfg p/n 273001, 004 and 005 which I believe correspond to Littelfuse part numbers 0273001.H, etc. (I suspect that you already know this, but just in case...); DK part numbers for these are F868-ND, F872-ND and F873-ND respectively for the 1, 4 and 5A devices.? They're $5.85 US each, and they currently show north of 1000 of each in stock.

Take a look and see if these are the correct fuses.

I hope that this helps you.

-Pat


On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 03:52 AM, donald collie wrote:

I`ve had a look for these [Littelfuse 027001.H , 027004.H , 027004.H.....1A, 4A, and 5A respectively] on the internet, including the manufacturer, and their local agent, here, and others. I`m looking for perhaps a couple each,? to restore the 8656A to origonal. [A couple of the fuses that plug onto the PSU section had blown at some time , and had been replaced with fine TC wire wrapped arround the pins - a purists nightmare, and an unsafe practice!]
Can anybody in the group please help me with this?

BTW; What goes wrong with an 8656A after 27 years and 5 months use and abuse ? I hear you? ?ask : The usual selection of scratches, and bumps [these were cleaned with gasoline, as this didn`t dissolve anything, and got the deep grime out]. The fan didn`t need replacing, and is dated `81.Some of the plastic locating pegs had broken off the side plastic panels.? The instrument had been operated in a damp environment, so there was white corrosion inside the fan compartment. One display driver chip had failed, and was replaced - it was a common variety, available locally.The only repairs in 27 years appear to be a replacement 5Volt rail smoothing capacitor, and a large Tantalum in the supply to the attenuator, and the attenuator PSU crobar SCR. This only leaves? the PSU fuses to be looked at. Hoping this is of interest....................Don C. ZL4GX?