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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator
Tom et al
If the loss is exactly 15 DB i would look for something else.
Regards
Hardy
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听
听
I'm
betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the input that has the loss.
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Tom
Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet
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Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator
Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.
Regards
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator
Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I
couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.
In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for
the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.
Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?
Thanks,
TonyG
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Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as
you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
Hi All,
I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.
Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test
and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.
Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?
Thanks,
TonyG
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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator
I'm betting it is the GaAs spdt rf switch on the
input that has the loss.
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Tom
Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for
are very easy
to find on the internet
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Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator
Can you get a few
good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how
they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF
switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did
this.
Regards
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony
Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017
5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input
Attenuator
Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17
RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there.
I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input
to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.
In
checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs
for
the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on
that.
Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17
one?
Thanks,
TonyG
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Sunday, July 9, 2017 11:36 AM
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Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator
Sounds like you on
the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as
you say and
you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from
input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
Hi All,
I just acquired an
E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is
consistently reading 15dB low.
Poking around I found a control for the
input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value.
From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz
Input Attenuator Accuracy test
and that showed no change so I think
that the attenuator is stuck.
Before I start pulling this apart I
thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system
settings that might cause
this?
Thanks,
TonyG
--
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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator
锘�
The input switch U38听(spdt GaAs) is available. Do a
google search for it. MGS-71018 . I have seen these get lossy at 10 to 20 dB.
That would be the first thing I would try.
听
This should work though it is only rated to 2.5 GHz but has
the same levels:
听
Or maybe find the exact part on google.
听
The attenuator may be hard to find so hope it is the switch.
It is the first thing in line to be damaged by a oops.
听
Tom
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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment]
E4406A Input Attenuator
听
Hey Tom - Thanks for the reply.
David.DiG sent me the CLIP (I'm hosting it here for now听) and that
provided the key detail to identify the bits.
The top of the board near the input looks like this:
but it turns out that the attenuator is on the bottom of the board:
This part is AT1, which interestingly doesn't seem to be listed in the
parts list but is marked on the schematic and the IC itself as 1GM1-4203. Now
either that has failed in such a way to put 15dB of attenuation inline or
something in the control circuit has died and is asserting some combination of
control lines to drive AT1 to 15dB.
I don't know if it is safe to apply an Oc cam's Razor to this but it does
seem more likely that AT1 died than multiple op amps (MC33178D), resistors or
capacitors have died.
It looks like I might be able to remove the shielding and plug the card
in and probe the control lines to see what is asserted.
If anyone has any other suggestions I'm open to thoughts/comments. Any
idea of where I might get a replacement 1GM1-4203 would be helpful as
well.
Thanks,
TonyG
听
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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator
Tom
Have sent the rf clip to tony--the pictures you are asking for are very easy
to find on the internet
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Sendt: 10. juli 2017 00:07
Til: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Emne: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator
Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we
can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas
smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.
Regards
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Show quoted text
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator
Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly,
and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt
find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify
any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.
In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for
the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.
Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?
Thanks,
TonyG
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Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator
Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as
you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have
suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM,
tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
Hi All,
I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine
except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.
Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to
have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the
services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test
and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.
Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm
missed something in the system settings that might cause this?
Thanks,
TonyG
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Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:34:04 -0400, you wrote: Hi Paul
I agree. I got concerned that the thread would get hijacked using
Harvey's description. HP-HIL is the "human Interface Loop" for
keyboards and the like, and HP-IL is the "low power" loop to transfer
data between instruments and other peripherals, sort of like a low
power, serial version of HP-IB. Entirely different! So just to set the
record straight..... Aha, now I know better. I (think) I was talking from computer and instrument, which makes it HP-IL, and not HP-HIL. I remember this going from either logic analyzer to computer (never quite had one) or from keypad/computer to something else. Interesting. Harvey
Daun
On 7/9/2017 5:18 PM, 'Paul Bicknell' paul@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
Hi Daun
I hope we are all talking *HP-HIL* keyboards to go with the 9000 /
100 / 200 / 300 computers and the 70 K MMS 70004 display
Paul B
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[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
*Sent:* 09 July 2017 20:37
*To:* hp_agilent_equipment@...
*Subject:* Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
Are we talking about HPIL, or HP-HIL here? These are two completely
different things!
Daun
On 7/9/2017 3:31 PM, Harvey White madyn@...
<mailto:madyn@...> [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:
Hi Harvey,
You should take a look at this on ebay, not my listing.
Thanks for the info. The only things I have that uses HPIL are two HP
old pocket computers. I think one of my very old logic analyzers used
HPIL, but that's all I have. Those little pocket computers are not
currently functioning, though.
One of those attribution things.
Harvey
HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
| $ 39.99 | |
HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
Selling a used working HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre
shipping to lower 48 states only. | eBay! | |
On Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:16 AM, "Harvey White
madyn@... <mailto:madyn@...>
[hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:54:13 +0100, you wrote:
Hi all
Just a follow on from the E mail below so thank you to the author I
believe is named Bruno
Did someone offer to make an inter face between different keyboards eg (
mine din or USB ) to HP-HIL USB
Also Digi key is a new company to me and although they have the
connectors
is there any way of getting a better price The major distributors are Mouser, Digikey, Hamilton-Avnet. You might
want to look at surplus distributors such as All Electronics,
Electronics Goldmine, and (not quite a surplus distributor) Jameco.
I've dealt with all of them, they're quite reliable. Sometimes prices
for the major distributors do vary a bit, but be sure to figure in
shipping and taxes as well.
Harvey
As i require 2 HP-HIL Keyboard leads
Best Regards Paul B
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<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 05 April 2017 16:45
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
The TE Connectivity AMP Connectors 1-1761184-1 and 5-1761184-1 seem
to match
the HP-HIL cable connectors.
<
ocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English>
&DocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English
Where 1-1761184-1 has the "A" key for the One-Dot cable end and
5-1761184-1
has the "E" key for the Two-Dot cable end.
These appear to be a stocked item at Digikey and likely similar: Mouser,
Arrow, etc.
Other manufacturer may be using the same SDL, Plug Modular Connector 4
Positions Position Shielded Crimp connectors for products other than
HP-HIL.
I happened to have an IBM Point of Sale LCD Display that uses the
"A" keyed
connector for it's receptacles/cables though it likely uses RS-485 vs.
HP-HIL. similar to:
I tried the "A" (One-Dot) end of an HP-HIL in the receptacle of the LCD
display and it made good electrical contact and mechanically
latched. The
IBM SDL cable that I have has "A" connectors on both ends and it has a
different pinout than the HP-HIL cable. Still, similar IBM POS
cables might
be used for the "A" end of HP-HIL cable or by remapping the the
wiring and
hacking the "A" key to fit in a "E" receptacle.
I provide this to add to the discussion and possibly stimulate others
research/evaluation. I make no claims to suitability/accuracy/etc. I
don't
represent any of the vendors.
I thought I had an HP-HIL keyboard that I might use to help develop
a "real"
PS/2 to HP-HIL converter, but it was an HP PS/2 keyboard with modular
cables. Also, my plan use for my logic analyzer with HP-HIL is as spare
parts for a newer logic analyzer with PS/2. So, my converter plans are
suspended.
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Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:37:06 -0400, you wrote: Are we talking about HPIL, or HP-HIL here? These are two completely
different things! I was thinking HPIL. Odd serial format with odd connectors and not all that popular (to me). Harvey
Daun
On 7/9/2017 3:31 PM, Harvey White madyn@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:
Hi Harvey,
You should take a look at this on ebay, not my listing.
Thanks for the info. The only things I have that uses HPIL are two HP
old pocket computers. I think one of my very old logic analyzers used
HPIL, but that's all I have. Those little pocket computers are not
currently functioning, though.
One of those attribution things.
Harvey
HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
|
|
|
| $ 39.99 | |
|
|
|
| |
HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
Selling a used working HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre
shipping to lower 48 states only. | eBay! | |
|
|
On Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:16 AM, "Harvey White
madyn@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
<hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:54:13 +0100, you wrote:
Hi all
Just a follow on from the E mail below so thank you to the author I
believe is named Bruno
Did someone offer to make an inter face between different keyboards eg (
mine din or USB ) to HP-HIL USB
Also Digi key is a new company to me and although they have the
connectors
is there any way of getting a better price The major distributors are Mouser, Digikey, Hamilton-Avnet. You might
want to look at surplus distributors such as All Electronics,
Electronics Goldmine, and (not quite a surplus distributor) Jameco.
I've dealt with all of them, they're quite reliable. Sometimes prices
for the major distributors do vary a bit, but be sure to figure in
shipping and taxes as well.
Harvey
As i require 2 HP-HIL Keyboard leads
Best Regards Paul B
_____
From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 05 April 2017 16:45
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
The TE Connectivity AMP Connectors 1-1761184-1 and 5-1761184-1 seem
to match
the HP-HIL cable connectors.
<
ocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English>
&DocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English
Where 1-1761184-1 has the "A" key for the One-Dot cable end and
5-1761184-1
has the "E" key for the Two-Dot cable end.
These appear to be a stocked item at Digikey and likely similar: Mouser,
Arrow, etc.
Other manufacturer may be using the same SDL, Plug Modular Connector 4
Positions Position Shielded Crimp connectors for products other than
HP-HIL.
I happened to have an IBM Point of Sale LCD Display that uses the
"A" keyed
connector for it's receptacles/cables though it likely uses RS-485 vs.
HP-HIL. similar to:
I tried the "A" (One-Dot) end of an HP-HIL in the receptacle of the LCD
display and it made good electrical contact and mechanically
latched. The
IBM SDL cable that I have has "A" connectors on both ends and it has a
different pinout than the HP-HIL cable. Still, similar IBM POS
cables might
be used for the "A" end of HP-HIL cable or by remapping the the
wiring and
hacking the "A" key to fit in a "E" receptacle.
I provide this to add to the discussion and possibly stimulate others
research/evaluation. I make no claims to suitability/accuracy/etc. I
don't
represent any of the vendors.
I thought I had an HP-HIL keyboard that I might use to help develop
a "real"
PS/2 to HP-HIL converter, but it was an HP PS/2 keyboard with modular
cables. Also, my plan use for my logic analyzer with HP-HIL is as spare
parts for a newer logic analyzer with PS/2. So, my converter plans are
suspended.
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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator
Hey Tom - Thanks for the reply.
David.DiG sent me the CLIP (I'm hosting it here for now听) and that provided the key detail to identify the bits.
The top of the board near the input looks like this:
but it turns out that the attenuator is on the bottom of the board:
This part is AT1, which interestingly doesn't seem to be listed in the parts list but is marked on the schematic and the IC itself as 1GM1-4203. Now either that has failed in such a way to put 15dB of attenuation inline or something in the control circuit has died and is asserting some combination of control lines to drive AT1 to 15dB.
I don't know if it is safe to apply an Occam's Razor to this but it does seem more likely that AT1 died than multiple op amps (MC33178D), resistors or capacitors have died.
It looks like I might be able to remove the shielding and plug the card in and probe the control lines to see what is asserted.
If anyone has any other suggestions I'm open to thoughts/comments. Any idea of where I might get a replacement 1GM1-4203 would be helpful as well.
Thanks,
TonyG
听
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Paul,
The National Instruments cards ARE supported by HPDrive,茂驴陆 the
program depends on cards based on the NEC uPD7210 and derivatives
which includes most if not all National Instruments ISA and PCI
cards.茂驴陆 I am using NI ISA cards that are based on NI TNT chip.茂驴陆 I
have also used used NI PCI cards with HPDrive and HPDir.
Paul.
On 2017-07-09 5:25 PM, 'Paul Bicknell'
paul@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
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茂驴陆
Hi Glen
茂驴陆
Thank you for
the heads up OK
The viper baud
and the extra PCB are fully
loaded so as you say there must be 4 meg of Ram on
it
So this can be
made up into an old
computer for playing with later
茂驴陆
I will have to
sort out another GPIB card
to go into a modern computer for the HP drive
Project 茂驴陆
As apparently
the National instruments
card is nor supported by the HP drive program
Regards Paul B
茂驴陆
茂驴陆
On Sun,
Jul 9, 2017 at 11:21 AM, 'Paul
Bicknell'
paul@... [hp_agilent_equipment]
<hp_agilent_equipment@...>
wrote:
>
> Glen I am no software man so software and
HP basic will be an up hill
struggle for me thank you for the links
>
> So all the software to run the viper is
on the 5 old 5.25 floppy disks or
2 newer 3.25 floppy disks
>
> My Viper baud is based on a 68000 part
number 82321-60011 with a sub PCB
on it part number 82305-60001
>
> The idea of getting the Viper bourd
working is to use it for the HP drive
project as a reliable storage medium
>
> Best regards Paul B
The 82321 board itself has at least 512KB of
RAM, plus room to install
another 512KB. Each 512KB is 4 chips, I assume
they must be 256Kx4
chips. The 82305 board is a RAM expansion
board. It has at least 512KB
of RAM, plus room to install another 2.5MB of
RAM. If you have the
82305 expansion board installed then the 82321
board must have 1MB
installed, so then you have at least 1.5MB of
total RAM, and up to 4MB
of total RAM if the 82305 board is fully
populated.
I'm not sure how using a Viper board would
related to the the HPDrive
software. The HPDrive software uses a
non-intelligent GPIB adapter to
emulate an HPIB storage device and is only
compatible with certain
GPIB adapters. You couldn't run the HPDrive
software directly with a
Viper board. I suppose you could set up two
systems, one running HP
BASIC on a Viper board and another system
running HPDrive with a
supported GPIB board and cable the two
together so the Viper board
sees the HPDrive system as an HPIB storage
device. I'm not sure what
the point of that would be though.
-Glen
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found in this message.
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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator
Can you get a few good pictures of the RF section and post them? Maybe we can identify how they did the attenuators. Some that I have seen used Gaas smt spdt RF switches for the attenuators. Later 8657 sig gens did this.
Regards
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From: "Tony Goodhew tony_goodhew@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
To: <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator
Thanks I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly, and there didnt appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldnt find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.
In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for the E4406A but they dont seem to have followed through on that.
Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?
Thanks,
TonyG
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Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 11:36 AM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator
Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM, tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@...> [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
Hi All,
I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.
Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.
Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm missed something in the system settings that might cause this?
Thanks,
TonyG
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Re: E4406A Input Attenuator
Thanks � I took the unit apart, including opening up the A17 RF Assembly, and there didn抰 appear to be any mechanical relays in there. I couldn抰 find any information on the components closest to the RF input to identify any solid state relays or programmable attenuators.
In checking around I saw that Agilent promised in 2014 to post the CLIPs for the E4406A but they don抰 seem to have followed through on that.
Does anyone happen to have them and could send me the A17 one?
Thanks,
TonyG
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From: Artek Manuals manuals@... [hp_agilent_equipment]<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 11:36 AM
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] E4406A Input Attenuator
Sounds like you on the right track , If you lucky the relay is just stuck as you say and you might exercise your way out of it... could also have suffered from input overload ...a bit harder to fix
On 7/9/2017 2:30 PM, tony_goodhew@...<mailto:tony_goodhew@...> [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
Hi All,
I just acquired an E4406A and put it on my bench. It seems to work fine except that it is consistently reading 15dB low.
Poking around I found a control for the input attenuator and that seems to have no impact on the measured value. From there I looked at the services/test guide and ran through the 50MHz Input Attenuator Accuracy test and that showed no change so I think that the attenuator is stuck.
Before I start pulling this apart I thought I might check in to see if I'm missed something in the system settings that might cause this?
Thanks,
TonyG
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Manuals@...<mailto:Manuals@...>
www.ArtekManuals.com<>
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Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
Oh! Well, silly me... :-P
Live and learn... I guess I'll know for sure when it arrives.
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On 09-Jul-17 11:28, Dogma amgod@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
hi Bruce,
Glad to see you hanging out here.
I guess you missed the part were they said it had no electronics inside.
Jim
On Sunday, July 9, 2017 11:19 AM, "Bruce Lane kyrrin@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:
On 09-Jul-17 10:19, Dogma amgod@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
Hi Harvey,
You should take a look at this on ebay, not my listing.
HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
<>
$ 39.99
Actually, I just bought the thing. I'm going to take a stab at
reverse-engineering it and see if I can come up with something
reproducible. It'll make a good late-summer project. ;-)
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kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech dot com
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Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
Hi Paul
I agree.茂驴陆 I got concerned that the thread would get hijacked using
Harvey's description.茂驴陆茂驴陆 HP-HIL is the "human Interface Loop" for
keyboards and the like, and HP-IL is the "low power" loop to
transfer data between instruments and other peripherals, sort of
like a low power, serial version of HP-IB.茂驴陆 Entirely different!茂驴陆 So
just to set the record straight.....
Daun
On 7/9/2017 5:18 PM, 'Paul Bicknell'
paul@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
茂驴陆
Hi Daun茂驴陆
茂驴陆
I hope we are
all茂驴陆茂驴陆茂驴陆茂驴陆茂驴陆
茂驴陆talking HP-HIL茂驴陆茂驴陆
keyboards茂驴陆
to go with the 9000 / 100 / 200 / 300 computers and
the 70 K茂驴陆茂驴陆
MMS茂驴陆茂驴陆茂驴陆茂驴陆 70004 display
Paul B
茂驴陆
茂驴陆
Are we talking about
HPIL, or HP-HIL here?茂驴陆茂驴陆
These are two completely different things!
Daun
On 7/9/2017 3:31 PM, Harvey White madyn@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
茂驴陆
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:19:49 +0000
(UTC), you wrote:
>
>Hi Harvey,
>You should take a look at this on ebay,
not my listing.
>
Thanks for the info. The only things I have
that uses HPIL are two HP
old pocket computers. I think one of my very
old logic analyzers used
HPIL, but that's all I have. Those little
pocket computers are not
currently functioning, though.
One of those attribution things.
Harvey
>
>HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module
frre shipping | eBay
>
>| $ 39.99 | |
>
>HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module
frre shipping | eBay
> Selling a used working HP HIL PS2 Mouse
Keyboard Adapter Module frre
shipping to lower 48 states only. | eBay! |
|
>
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:16 AM,
"Harvey White madyn@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]"
wrote:
>
>
> 茂驴陆 On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:54:13 +0100,
you wrote:
>
>>Hi all
>>
>>
>>Just a follow on from the E mail
below so thank you to the author I
>>believe is named Bruno
>>
>>Did someone offer to make an inter
face between different keyboards eg
(
>>mine din or USB ) to HP-HIL USB
>>
>>
>>Also Digi key is a new company to me
and although they have the
connectors
>>is there any way of getting a better
price
>
>The major distributors are Mouser,
Digikey, Hamilton-Avnet. You might
>want to look at surplus distributors
such as All Electronics,
>Electronics Goldmine, and (not quite a
surplus distributor) Jameco.
>
>I've dealt with all of them, they're
quite reliable. Sometimes prices
>for the major distributors do vary a
bit, but be sure to figure in
>shipping and taxes as well.
>
>Harvey
>
>>
>>As i require 2 HP-HIL Keyboard leads
>>
>>
>>Best Regards Paul B
>>
>>
>>From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>>[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
>>Sent: 05 April 2017 16:45
>>To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>>Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re:
HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
>>
>>
>>The TE Connectivity AMP Connectors
1-1761184-1 and 5-1761184-1 seem to
match
>>the HP-HIL cable connectors.
>>
>>
>><
>>ocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English>
>>&DocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English
>>
>>
>>Where 1-1761184-1 has the "A" key
for the One-Dot cable end
and 5-1761184-1
>>has the "E" key for the Two-Dot
cable end.
>>
>>
>>These appear to be a stocked item at
Digikey and likely similar:
Mouser,
>>Arrow, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Other manufacturer may be using the
same SDL, Plug Modular Connector 4
>>Positions Position Shielded Crimp
connectors for products other than
HP-HIL.
>>
>>
>>I happened to have an IBM Point of
Sale LCD Display that uses the
"A" keyed
>>connector for it's
receptacles/cables though it likely uses
RS-485 vs.
>>HP-HIL. similar to:
>>
>>I tried the "A" (One-Dot) end of an
HP-HIL in the receptacle
of the LCD
>>display and it made good electrical
contact and mechanically latched.
The
>>IBM SDL cable that I have has "A"
connectors on both ends and
it has a
>>different pinout than the HP-HIL
cable. Still, similar IBM POS cables
might
>>be used for the "A" end of HP-HIL
cable or by remapping the
the wiring and
>>hacking the "A" key to fit in a "E"
receptacle.
>>
>>
>>I provide this to add to the
discussion and possibly stimulate others
>>research/evaluation. I make no
claims to suitability/accuracy/etc. I
don't
>>represent any of the vendors.
>>
>>
>>I thought I had an HP-HIL keyboard
that I might use to help develop a
"real"
>>PS/2 to HP-HIL converter, but it was
an HP PS/2 keyboard with modular
>>cables. Also, my plan use for my
logic analyzer with HP-HIL is as spare
>>parts for a newer logic analyzer
with PS/2. So, my converter plans are
>>suspended.
>>
>>
>>No virus found in this message.
>>Checked by AVG -
>>Version: 2016.0.8012 / Virus
Database: 4769/14245 - Release Date:
04/05/17
Daun E. Yeagley, II, N8ASB
No virus
found in this message.
Checked by AVG -
Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4779/14666 -
Release Date: 07/09/17
--
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Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
Hi Daun听
听
I hope we are all听听听听听
听talking HP-HIL听听 keyboards听
to go with the 9000 / 100 / 200 / 300 computers and the 70 K听听
MMS听听听听 70004 display
Paul B
听
From:
hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 09 July 2017 20:37
To:
hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: Re:
[hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
听
Are we talking about HPIL, or HP-HIL here?听听
These are two completely different things!
Daun
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Show quoted text
On 7/9/2017 3:31 PM, Harvey White madyn@...
[hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
听
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:
>
>Hi Harvey,
>You should take a look at this on ebay, not my listing.
>
Thanks for the info. The only things I have that uses HPIL are two HP
old pocket computers. I think one of my very old logic analyzers used
HPIL, but that's all I have. Those little pocket computers are not
currently functioning, though.
One of those attribution things.
Harvey
>
>HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
>
>| $ 39.99 | |
>
>HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
> Selling a used working HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre
shipping to lower 48 states only. | eBay! | |
>
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:16 AM, "Harvey White madyn@...
[hp_agilent_equipment]"
wrote:
>
>
> 听 On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:54:13 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>Hi all
>>
>>
>>Just a follow on from the E mail below so thank you to the author I
>>believe is named Bruno
>>
>>Did someone offer to make an inter face between different keyboards eg
(
>>mine din or USB ) to HP-HIL USB
>>
>>
>>Also Digi key is a new company to me and although they have the
connectors
>>is there any way of getting a better price
>
>The major distributors are Mouser, Digikey, Hamilton-Avnet. You might
>want to look at surplus distributors such as All Electronics,
>Electronics Goldmine, and (not quite a surplus distributor) Jameco.
>
>I've dealt with all of them, they're quite reliable. Sometimes prices
>for the major distributors do vary a bit, but be sure to figure in
>shipping and taxes as well.
>
>Harvey
>
>>
>>As i require 2 HP-HIL Keyboard leads
>>
>>
>>Best Regards Paul B
>>
>>
>>From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>>[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
>>Sent: 05 April 2017 16:45
>>To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>>Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
>>
>>
>>The TE Connectivity AMP Connectors 1-1761184-1 and 5-1761184-1 seem to
match
>>the HP-HIL cable connectors.
>>
>>
>><
>>ocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English>
>>&DocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English
>>
>>
>>Where 1-1761184-1 has the "A" key for the One-Dot cable end
and 5-1761184-1
>>has the "E" key for the Two-Dot cable end.
>>
>>
>>These appear to be a stocked item at Digikey and likely similar:
Mouser,
>>Arrow, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Other manufacturer may be using the same SDL, Plug Modular Connector 4
>>Positions Position Shielded Crimp connectors for products other than
HP-HIL.
>>
>>
>>I happened to have an IBM Point of Sale LCD Display that uses the
"A" keyed
>>connector for it's receptacles/cables though it likely uses RS-485 vs.
>>HP-HIL. similar to:
>>
>>I tried the "A" (One-Dot) end of an HP-HIL in the receptacle
of the LCD
>>display and it made good electrical contact and mechanically latched.
The
>>IBM SDL cable that I have has "A" connectors on both ends and
it has a
>>different pinout than the HP-HIL cable. Still, similar IBM POS cables
might
>>be used for the "A" end of HP-HIL cable or by remapping the
the wiring and
>>hacking the "A" key to fit in a "E" receptacle.
>>
>>
>>I provide this to add to the discussion and possibly stimulate others
>>research/evaluation. I make no claims to suitability/accuracy/etc. I
don't
>>represent any of the vendors.
>>
>>
>>I thought I had an HP-HIL keyboard that I might use to help develop a
"real"
>>PS/2 to HP-HIL converter, but it was an HP PS/2 keyboard with modular
>>cables. Also, my plan use for my logic analyzer with HP-HIL is as spare
>>parts for a newer logic analyzer with PS/2. So, my converter plans are
>>suspended.
>>
>>
>>No virus found in this message.
>>Checked by AVG -
>>Version: 2016.0.8012 / Virus Database: 4769/14245 - Release Date:
04/05/17
Daun E. Yeagley, II, N8ASB
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG -
Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4779/14666 - Release Date: 07/09/17
|
Thanks
all.听
听
Rich, I don't
know how I missed that manual on eBay, but I just scooped it up.
I am hoping to
decode the inner workings of this beast to the point of deciding to get those
1850-0168 transistors from eBay OR get some modern replacements from DigiKey/Mouser.
听听
听
Dave, if you
want to borrow that manual to scan let me know.听
听
Dick
听
Sent
from听a Logic Free Zone deep within The Peoples Republic of California
听
听
|
Hi Glen
听
Thank you for the heads up OK
The viper baud and the extra PCB are fully
loaded so as you say there must be 4 meg of Ram on it
So this can be made up into an old
computer for playing with later
听
I will have to sort out another GPIB card
to go into a modern computer for the HP drive Project 听
As apparently the National instruments
card is nor supported by the HP drive program
Regards Paul B
From:
hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 09 July 2017 20:00
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: Re:
[hp_agilent_equipment] Viper HPIB port
听
听
On Sun,
Jul 9, 2017 at 11:21 AM, 'Paul
Bicknell'
paul@... [hp_agilent_equipment]
<hp_agilent_equipment@...>
wrote:
>
> Glen I am no software man so software and HP basic will be an up hill
struggle for me thank you for the links
>
> So all the software to run the viper is on the 5 old 5.25 floppy disks or
2 newer 3.25 floppy disks
>
> My Viper baud is based on a 68000 part number 82321-60011 with a sub PCB
on it part number 82305-60001
>
> The idea of getting the Viper bourd working is to use it for the HP drive
project as a reliable storage medium
>
> Best regards Paul B
The 82321 board itself has at least 512KB of RAM, plus room to install
another 512KB. Each 512KB is 4 chips, I assume they must be 256Kx4
chips. The 82305 board is a RAM expansion board. It has at least 512KB
of RAM, plus room to install another 2.5MB of RAM. If you have the
82305 expansion board installed then the 82321 board must have 1MB
installed, so then you have at least 1.5MB of total RAM, and up to 4MB
of total RAM if the 82305 board is fully populated.
I'm not sure how using a Viper board would related to the the HPDrive
software. The HPDrive software uses a non-intelligent GPIB adapter to
emulate an HPIB storage device and is only compatible with certain
GPIB adapters. You couldn't run the HPDrive software directly with a
Viper board. I suppose you could set up two systems, one running HP
BASIC on a Viper board and another system running HPDrive with a
supported GPIB board and cable the two together so the Viper board
sees the HPDrive system as an HPIB storage device. I'm not sure what
the point of that would be though.
-Glen
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Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
Hi Tam
听
You certainly would be star if you cracked
this problem with a HP-HIL 听keyboard converter
听
If I was to start the user speck and
answer to your question B
I believe as the demand would not run into
100鈥檚 so the converter for just a keyboard converter would be over $75
therefore 听
听
I would only have the keyboard interface
听and possibly make the converter a keyboard KVM switch as 听desk space
is very short when running 2 or 3 computers
And this might make the cost moor
acceptable
听
Also it might need the possibility to
create a personal keyboard look up table so that other keyboards can be
used听听 such a French and Chinese 听听
听
Best of luck Paul B
听
From:
hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 09 July 2017 18:58
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: RE:
[hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
听
听
Hello,
Sorry for being slow and silent - I am the guy who planned (or still plans) an
adapter. Sadly, things were fucked up a little bit here: my exwife is in
hospital again (as always), and one of my employees has a tussle with the
German mafia.
I am, in principle, still interested in tackling the problem. My main questions
are:
A) is anyone willing to betatest. This, I ask as I have no HP HIL capable
workstation; my logic analyzer is a 16500C and a 16700A who both do PS2.
B) would a price of 50USD for keyboard and 75USD for keyboard and mouse work?
--
With best regards
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On July 9, 2017 7:46:34 PM CEST, "'Paul Bicknell'
paul@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
wrote:
听
Hi Harvey
thank you for the posting and the link unfortunately 听Paul Berger posted 听On
2017-04-04 7:45 PM
These
are not actually converter modules, they just break out some connections on one
side there is a 10 pin RJ-45 like connector which is the connection to the
system and this module just breaks out PS/2 keyboard and mouse connectors and a
HP-HIL connector, they do not contain any electronics.听
so I think we need someone to take up the challenge and make a real
adaptor
听
Paul B听听 UK听
听
With all these Pauls do we need to extend the signature eg听
Paul B听听听 USA
/ Paul B听 Can /听听听 Paul B听听 UK听
听听听just a thought
From: hp_agilent_equipment@... [mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 09 July 2017 18:20
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: Re:
[hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
听
听
You should take a
look at this on ebay, not my listing.
|
|
|
|
HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard
Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
Selling a used working HP HIL PS2
Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping to lower 48 states only. | eBay!
|
听
|
|
On Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:16 AM,
"Harvey White madyn@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
wrote:
听
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017
12:54:13 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi all
>>
>Just a follow on from the E mail below so thank you to the author I
>believe is named Bruno
>
>Did someone offer to make an inter face between different keyboards eg (
>mine din or USB ) to HP-HIL USB
>
>Also Digi key is a new company to me and although they have the connectors
>is there any way of getting a better price
The major distributors are Mouser, Digikey, Hamilton-Avnet. You might
want to look at surplus distributors such as All Electronics,
Electronics Goldmine, and (not quite a surplus distributor) Jameco.
I've dealt with all of them, they're quite reliable. Sometimes prices
for the major distributors do vary a bit, but be sure to figure in
shipping and taxes as well.
Harvey
>As i require 2 HP-HIL Keyboard leads
>
>Best Regards Paul B
>
>
>From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
>Sent: 05 April 2017 16:45
>To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
>
>
>The TE Connectivity AMP Connectors 1-1761184-1 and 5-1761184-1 seem to
match
>the HP-HIL cable connectors.
>
>http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=srchrtrv
>
>ocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English>
>&DocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English
>
>
>Where 1-1761184-1 has the "A" key for the One-Dot cable end and
5-1761184-1
>has the "E" key for the Two-Dot cable end.
>
>
>These appear to be a stocked item at Digikey and likely similar: Mouser,
>Arrow, etc.
>
>https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=1-1761184-1-ND
>
>https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=5-1761184-1-ND
>
>
>
>Other manufacturer may be using the same SDL, Plug Modular Connector 4
>Positions Position Shielded Crimp connectors for products other than
HP-HIL.
>
>
>
>I happened to have an IBM Point of Sale LCD Display that uses the
"A" keyed
>connector for it's receptacles/cables though it likely uses RS-485 vs.
>HP-HIL. similar to: http://www.ebay.com/itm/281933654336
>
>I tried the "A" (One-Dot) end of an HP-HIL in the receptacle of
the LCD
>display and it made good electrical contact and mechanically latched. The
>IBM SDL cable that I have has "A" connectors on both ends and it
has a
>different pinout than the HP-HIL cable. Still, similar IBM POS cables might
>be used for the "A" end of HP-HIL cable or by remapping the the
wiring and
>hacking the "A" key to fit in a "E" receptacle.
>
>
>
>I provide this to add to the discussion and possibly stimulate others
>research/evaluation. I make no claims to suitability/accuracy/etc. I don't
>represent any of the vendors.
>
>
>
>I thought I had an HP-HIL keyboard that I might use to help develop a
"real"
>PS/2 to HP-HIL converter, but it was an HP PS/2 keyboard with modular
>cables. Also, my plan use for my logic analyzer with HP-HIL is as spare
>parts for a newer logic analyzer with PS/2. So, my converter plans are
>suspended.
>
>
>
>No virus found in this message.
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>Version: 2016.0.8012 / Virus Database: 4769/14245 - Release Date: 04/05/17
听
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Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
Are we talking about HPIL, or HP-HIL here?茂驴陆茂驴陆 These are two
completely different things!
Daun
On 7/9/2017 3:31 PM, Harvey White
madyn@... [hp_agilent_equipment] wrote:
茂驴陆
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:
>
>Hi Harvey,
>You should take a look at this on ebay, not my
listing.
>
Thanks for the info. The only things I have that uses HPIL
are two HP
old pocket computers. I think one of my very old logic
analyzers used
HPIL, but that's all I have. Those little pocket computers
are not
currently functioning, though.
One of those attribution things.
Harvey
>
>HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping
| eBay
>
>|
>|
>|
>| $ 39.99 | |
>
> |
>
> |
>|
>| |
>HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping
| eBay
> Selling a used working HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard
Adapter Module frre shipping to lower 48 states only. |
eBay! | |
>
> |
>
> |
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:16 AM, "Harvey White
madyn@... [hp_agilent_equipment]"
wrote:
>
>
> 茂驴陆 On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:54:13 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>Hi all
>>
>>
>>
>>Just a follow on from the E mail below so thank
you to the author I
>>believe is named Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>>Did someone offer to make an inter face between
different keyboards eg (
>>mine din or USB ) to HP-HIL USB
>>
>>
>>
>>Also Digi key is a new company to me and although
they have the connectors
>>is there any way of getting a better price
>
>The major distributors are Mouser, Digikey,
Hamilton-Avnet. You might
>want to look at surplus distributors such as All
Electronics,
>Electronics Goldmine, and (not quite a surplus
distributor) Jameco.
>
>I've dealt with all of them, they're quite reliable.
Sometimes prices
>for the major distributors do vary a bit, but be sure
to figure in
>shipping and taxes as well.
>
>Harvey
>
>>
>>As i require 2 HP-HIL Keyboard leads
>>
>>
>>
>>Best Regards Paul B
>>
>> _____
>>
>>From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>>[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
>>Sent: 05 April 2017 16:45
>>To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
>>Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300
& HP-HIL keyboard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>The TE Connectivity AMP Connectors 1-1761184-1 and
5-1761184-1 seem to match
>>the HP-HIL cable connectors.
>>
>>
>><
>>ocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English>
>>&DocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English
>>
>>
>>
>>Where 1-1761184-1 has the "A" key for the One-Dot
cable end and 5-1761184-1
>>has the "E" key for the Two-Dot cable end.
>>
>>
>>
>>These appear to be a stocked item at Digikey and
likely similar: Mouser,
>>Arrow, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Other manufacturer may be using the same SDL, Plug
Modular Connector 4
>>Positions Position Shielded Crimp connectors for
products other than HP-HIL.
>>
>>
>>
>>I happened to have an IBM Point of Sale LCD
Display that uses the "A" keyed
>>connector for it's receptacles/cables though it
likely uses RS-485 vs.
>>HP-HIL. similar to:
>>
>>I tried the "A" (One-Dot) end of an HP-HIL in the
receptacle of the LCD
>>display and it made good electrical contact and
mechanically latched. The
>>IBM SDL cable that I have has "A" connectors on
both ends and it has a
>>different pinout than the HP-HIL cable. Still,
similar IBM POS cables might
>>be used for the "A" end of HP-HIL cable or by
remapping the the wiring and
>>hacking the "A" key to fit in a "E" receptacle.
>>
>>
>>
>>I provide this to add to the discussion and
possibly stimulate others
>>research/evaluation. I make no claims to
suitability/accuracy/etc. I don't
>>represent any of the vendors.
>>
>>
>>
>>I thought I had an HP-HIL keyboard that I might
use to help develop a "real"
>>PS/2 to HP-HIL converter, but it was an HP PS/2
keyboard with modular
>>cables. Also, my plan use for my logic analyzer
with HP-HIL is as spare
>>parts for a newer logic analyzer with PS/2. So, my
converter plans are
>>suspended.
>>
>>
>>
>>No virus found in this message.
>>Checked by AVG -
>>Version: 2016.0.8012 / Virus Database: 4769/14245
- Release Date: 04/05/17
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Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:
Hi Harvey,
You should take a look at this on ebay, not my listing.
Thanks for the info. The only things I have that uses HPIL are two HP old pocket computers. I think one of my very old logic analyzers used HPIL, but that's all I have. Those little pocket computers are not currently functioning, though. One of those attribution things. Harvey
HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
|
|
|
| $ 39.99 | |
|
|
|
| |
HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping | eBay
Selling a used working HP HIL PS2 Mouse Keyboard Adapter Module frre shipping to lower 48 states only. | eBay! | |
|
|
On Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:16 AM, "Harvey White madyn@... [hp_agilent_equipment]" <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:
茂驴陆 On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:54:13 +0100, you wrote:
Hi all
Just a follow on from the E mail below so thank you to the author I
believe is named Bruno
Did someone offer to make an inter face between different keyboards eg (
mine din or USB ) to HP-HIL USB
Also Digi key is a new company to me and although they have the connectors
is there any way of getting a better price The major distributors are Mouser, Digikey, Hamilton-Avnet. You might
want to look at surplus distributors such as All Electronics,
Electronics Goldmine, and (not quite a surplus distributor) Jameco.
I've dealt with all of them, they're quite reliable. Sometimes prices
for the major distributors do vary a bit, but be sure to figure in
shipping and taxes as well.
Harvey
As i require 2 HP-HIL Keyboard leads
Best Regards Paul B
_____
From: hp_agilent_equipment@...
[mailto:hp_agilent_equipment@...]
Sent: 05 April 2017 16:45
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: HP 9000 300 & HP-HIL keyboard
The TE Connectivity AMP Connectors 1-1761184-1 and 5-1761184-1 seem to match
the HP-HIL cable connectors.
<
ocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English>
&DocNm=1761184&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English
Where 1-1761184-1 has the "A" key for the One-Dot cable end and 5-1761184-1
has the "E" key for the Two-Dot cable end.
These appear to be a stocked item at Digikey and likely similar: Mouser,
Arrow, etc.
Other manufacturer may be using the same SDL, Plug Modular Connector 4
Positions Position Shielded Crimp connectors for products other than HP-HIL.
I happened to have an IBM Point of Sale LCD Display that uses the "A" keyed
connector for it's receptacles/cables though it likely uses RS-485 vs.
HP-HIL. similar to:
I tried the "A" (One-Dot) end of an HP-HIL in the receptacle of the LCD
display and it made good electrical contact and mechanically latched. The
IBM SDL cable that I have has "A" connectors on both ends and it has a
different pinout than the HP-HIL cable. Still, similar IBM POS cables might
be used for the "A" end of HP-HIL cable or by remapping the the wiring and
hacking the "A" key to fit in a "E" receptacle.
I provide this to add to the discussion and possibly stimulate others
research/evaluation. I make no claims to suitability/accuracy/etc. I don't
represent any of the vendors.
I thought I had an HP-HIL keyboard that I might use to help develop a "real"
PS/2 to HP-HIL converter, but it was an HP PS/2 keyboard with modular
cables. Also, my plan use for my logic analyzer with HP-HIL is as spare
parts for a newer logic analyzer with PS/2. So, my converter plans are
suspended.
No virus found in this message.
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Version: 2016.0.8012 / Virus Database: 4769/14245 - Release Date: 04/05/17
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On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 11:21 AM, 'Paul Bicknell' paul@... [hp_agilent_equipment] <hp_agilent_equipment@...> wrote:
Glen I am no software man so software and HP basic will be an up hill struggle for me thank you for the links
So all the software to run the viper is on the 5 old 5.25 floppy disks or 2 newer 3.25 floppy disks
My Viper baud is based on a 68000 part number 82321-60011 with a sub PCB on it part number 82305-60001
The idea of getting the Viper bourd working is to use it for the HP drive project as a reliable storage medium
Best regards Paul B
The 82321 board itself has at least 512KB of RAM, plus room to install another 512KB. Each 512KB is 4 chips, I assume they must be 256Kx4 chips. The 82305 board is a RAM expansion board. It has at least 512KB of RAM, plus room to install another 2.5MB of RAM. If you have the 82305 expansion board installed then the 82321 board must have 1MB installed, so then you have at least 1.5MB of total RAM, and up to 4MB of total RAM if the 82305 board is fully populated. I'm not sure how using a Viper board would related to the the HPDrive software. The HPDrive software uses a non-intelligent GPIB adapter to emulate an HPIB storage device and is only compatible with certain GPIB adapters. You couldn't run the HPDrive software directly with a Viper board. I suppose you could set up two systems, one running HP BASIC on a Viper board and another system running HPDrive with a supported GPIB board and cable the two together so the Viper board sees the HPDrive system as an HPIB storage device. I'm not sure what the point of that would be though. -Glen
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