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Re: HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

 

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I have an 8652b with spurs at -70dBc.

In your experience are there any caps which are especially at risk of failure?

I have not, yet, opened it to have a look and make measurements.

Thanks


On 22/04/20 08:46, Peter Hansen wrote:

Hello Stu be very carefull if you will recap the psu. It is an old brittle 4 layer board. solder joints does need alot of heat. You can easy ruin the connection to the middle layer. The 3 legged cap is still only a normal capacitor just with an extra leg for support. As I said before put in a 220uF cap and try it out. Do not attempt recapping anything before the problem is solved. You might end up with multiple powersupply failures. Also it is very easy to explode the main Fets in the PSU. so work carefully.
Finally I will say recapping is only due if you see spurious signals around the center response.
That can only be seen with the alulid mounted over the PSU.

The 28V is used all over in the RF circuits that is why you see errors.
So Stu why don?t you just start with changing the Cap. Use a 220uF 40-50V 105degree capacitor (no china crap)

best regards Peter




Re: Problem with HP MMS 70000, USERLOCK ON

 

1. Are you sure the program did run once or is it the first time you try to run this DLP into this 70900B CPU (coming from an OSA) ?
2. There is no way to test the internal memory
3. Try to erase all the progs in memory : do not use "erase" but "purge" with every name in the DLP catalog (read text under PERASE, PURGE and ERASE commands in the prog manual)
4. Compatibility of this DLP with the OSA 70900 board ??? Try another "normal" board
5. If not running with a SA board, DLP faulty (seen with a receiver ROM personality)
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:09:24 PM GMT+2, Paul Bicknell <paul@...> wrote:


Hi have you looked at the service manual

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From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected] ]On Behalf Of Pierre-Fran?ois(f5bqp_pfm)
Sent: 22 April 2020 09:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re:[HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Problem with HP MMS 70000, USERLOCK ON

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I then decided to open my 70900B, have not done this since many yearswhen I upgraded the firmware with the latest from my previous 70952B.
At that time I uploaded this latest firmware on KO4BB web site.
So I tested the battery and found 3.074v for a 3v battery, so my problem isn'tthis.
The battery model not replaced by me is a Panasonic BR-2/3A .
So the problem seems to be more complex than expected, may be a faulty memory??
Question: Is there somewhere a memory test that could be run to test thememories of the 70900B memory CPU card?
Any suggestion to the person having experience with the 70900B logic ?

The problem is just when I load an HP DLP (70875A) within the analyzer I gotthis problem, otherwise in spectrum analyzer mode the MMS is working fine.

pf



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Re: Problem with HP MMS 70000, USERLOCK ON

 

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Hi have you looked at the service manual

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pierre-Fran?ois (f5bqp_pfm)
Sent: 22 April 2020 09:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Problem with HP MMS 70000, USERLOCK ON

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I then decided to open my 70900B, have not done this since many years when I upgraded the firmware with the latest from my previous 70952B.
At that time I uploaded this latest firmware on KO4BB web site.
So I tested the battery and found 3.074v for a 3v battery, so my problem isn't this.
The battery model not replaced by me is a Panasonic BR-2/3A .
So the problem seems to be more complex than expected, may be a faulty memory ??
Question: Is there somewhere a memory test that could be run to test the memories of the 70900B memory CPU card?
Any suggestion to the person having experience with the 70900B logic ?

The problem is just when I load an HP DLP (70875A) within the analyzer I got this problem, otherwise in spectrum analyzer mode the MMS is working fine.

pf



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JN18AN

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Re: Problem with HP MMS 70000, USERLOCK ON

 

And I measured the effective retention voltage on the vdd of the TC551001CF-70L memories, it's at 2.864v , the datasheet says it should be at 2v minimum to keep up the data, so definitively it's not a battery problem, probably a faulty memory. Just an assumption.
A memory test would be a good solution to identify if it's such a problem or something else.

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JN18AN


Re: Problem with HP MMS 70000, USERLOCK ON

 

I then decided to open my 70900B, have not done this since many years when I upgraded the firmware with the latest from my previous 70952B.
At that time I uploaded this latest firmware on KO4BB web site.
So I tested the battery and found 3.074v for a 3v battery, so my problem isn't this.
The battery model not replaced by me is a Panasonic BR-2/3A .
So the problem seems to be more complex than expected, may be a faulty memory ??
Question: Is there somewhere a memory test that could be run to test the memories of the 70900B memory CPU card?
Any suggestion to the person having experience with the 70900B logic ?

The problem is just when I load an HP DLP (70875A) within the analyzer I got this problem, otherwise in spectrum analyzer mode the MMS is working fine.

pf



--
Pierre-Fran?ois, F5BQP
JN18AN


Re: HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

 

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Sound advice.

Thank you very much.

Stu

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 22 April 2020 08:47
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

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Hello Stu be very carefull if you will recap the psu. It is an old brittle 4 layer board. solder joints does need alot of heat. You can easy ruin the connection to the middle layer. The 3 legged cap is still only a normal capacitor just with an extra leg for support. As I said before put in a 220uF cap and try it out. Do not attempt recapping anything before the problem is solved. You might end up with multiple powersupply failures. Also it is very easy to explode the main Fets in the PSU. so work carefully.

Finally I will say recapping is only due if you see spurious signals around the center response.

That can only be seen with the alulid mounted over the PSU.

?

The 28V is used all over in the RF circuits that is why you see errors.

So Stu why don?t you just start with changing the Cap. Use a 220uF 40-50V 105degree capacitor (no china crap)

?

best regards Peter

?

?

?


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Sendt: 22. april 2020 09:30
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

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Steve,

?

Waiting for some ¡°Mate N lock¡± plugs to Test an existing board I have funny config but supplies all relevant circuits (RF) associated with errors I¡¯m seeing.

Any ideas on the 3 legged caps? Tants etc.

Are standard electrolytic OK to replace.

Thinking of doing a PSU refurb as the PSU has allot of these old caps.

?

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Stephen Hanselman
Sent: 21 April 2020 17:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

I assume that the C301 is connected to the top of the transformer that the lower CR304 is connected.? They are coupling some of the AC from the transformer up to CR301/CR302. I don¡¯t work on doublers very much but that¡¯s what the diode configuration would suggest.? I¡¯m not sure what the +28 is used for but it won¡¯t be very much current and C301 being wonky will keep this circuit from working.

?

Steve

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

hello i think it is to galvanize isolate that supply. But it is exact the cap. I bet it is open. just use a 220uf i do that all the time to bring it back.

let me know once you tried

best regards Peter

?


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Sendt: 21. april 2020 16:54
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

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Peter,

?

Have a 2nd PSU to remove and use as Test components.

One quick question?

?

What type of PSU is this never seen this type of config before!

?

?

?

There is no physical connectivity to the Diodes CR301/302 only the decoupling cap C301(Suggested being faulty).

Is this a voltage doubling circuit , not sure?

?

Cheers,

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 17 April 2020 21:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Hello It can work stand alone. I have had failures in the PSU in a 180uF capacitor. It was a blue one. It was open and leaked alittle. If you need i Can find a psu and point to it. The cap was open and the 28v was absent.

PSU is taken out from the top side all 4 pcb must be folded out and below the alu cover is the PSU.

best regards Peter

?


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Sendt: 17. april 2020 15:40
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Would Like to say Good news but?

?

Managed to get the Analyser on the bench today for a quick check and looks as if 28Volts not there.

?

Also getting that smell of Burning rubber so worried could be causing more damage and need to isolate the source and start diagnosing supply.

?

Can the PSU work standalone, or is it load conscious?

?

Stu.

?

?

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 17 April 2020 09:51
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

hello Stu if you look on A2 on the side you see the LEDs for the PSU. All should be LIT. I am sure this is not a PSU issue.

If you work through the 300/600Mhz chain with an osilloscope you can check where the signal dissapears. I remember the 600Mhz is made in a doubler and if signal is too small you have not enough for doubling to 600Mhz.

best regards Peter

?


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Sendt: 17. april 2020 10:04
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

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Peter,

?

Ok from schematic I can see the 600MHz Oscillator ¨¤ Buffer ¨¤ /2 = 300Mhz ¨¤ Offset Loop Buffer. Is that correct?

Is it the /2 device your talking about? The whole board seems to be a 600Mhz PLL with 10Mhz ref at source.

Correct me if I¡¯m wrong.

?

I still think something burn¡¯t out although th PSU looks clean.

Just prepping up before getting My hands dirty..

?

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 16 April 2020 20:34
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Hello Stu I must correct my self. The 8562A is before use og MMIC. area is still the same. It is just discrete amplifiers. Order a schematics from Artic media ant look for Radio Frequency module look in the page with the generation of 300/600Mhz.

Reason why you can?t measure anything is because the 600Mhz is used for third mixer.

best regards PEter

?


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Sendt: 16. april 2020 17:33
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Peter,

?

Which board are we talking about ?

Still looking for the LED PSU indicators on the A2 card.

?

Presume you are referring RF board..?

Is this an off the shelf part or HP proprietary?

?

Thanks,

?

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 16 April 2020 06:59
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Hello Group a TAM is not needed in this case. It is simply a MMIC in the 300/600Mhz chain that is bad.

I believe Harke has a Hp85629A TAM for sale.

best regards Peter Hansen

?


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Sendt: 16. april 2020 06:58
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

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I suspect you might be able to rent the TAM from one of the ETE rental outfits for a month or so for not a horrible price.? I believe that Tam Hanna has one or two for sale, I may purchase one from him for my own use with my 8562A.
Don Bitters


Re: HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

 

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Hello Stu be very carefull if you will recap the psu. It is an old brittle 4 layer board. solder joints does need alot of heat. You can easy ruin the connection to the middle layer. The 3 legged cap is still only a normal capacitor just with an extra leg for support. As I said before put in a 220uF cap and try it out. Do not attempt recapping anything before the problem is solved. You might end up with multiple powersupply failures. Also it is very easy to explode the main Fets in the PSU. so work carefully.
Finally I will say recapping is only due if you see spurious signals around the center response.
That can only be seen with the alulid mounted over the PSU.

The 28V is used all over in the RF circuits that is why you see errors.
So Stu why don?t you just start with changing the Cap. Use a 220uF 40-50V 105degree capacitor (no china crap)

best regards Peter




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Sendt: 22. april 2020 09:30
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333
?

Steve,

?

Waiting for some ¡°Mate N lock¡± plugs to Test an existing board I have funny config but supplies all relevant circuits (RF) associated with errors I¡¯m seeing.

Any ideas on the 3 legged caps? Tants etc.

Are standard electrolytic OK to replace.

Thinking of doing a PSU refurb as the PSU has allot of these old caps.

?

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Stephen Hanselman
Sent: 21 April 2020 17:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

I assume that the C301 is connected to the top of the transformer that the lower CR304 is connected.? They are coupling some of the AC from the transformer up to CR301/CR302. I don¡¯t work on doublers very much but that¡¯s what the diode configuration would suggest.? I¡¯m not sure what the +28 is used for but it won¡¯t be very much current and C301 being wonky will keep this circuit from working.

?

Steve

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

hello i think it is to galvanize isolate that supply. But it is exact the cap. I bet it is open. just use a 220uf i do that all the time to bring it back.

let me know once you tried

best regards Peter

?


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af stur_mm via groups.io <stuart.ian.richardson@...>
Sendt: 21. april 2020 16:54
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Peter,

?

Have a 2nd PSU to remove and use as Test components.

One quick question?

?

What type of PSU is this never seen this type of config before!

?

?

?

There is no physical connectivity to the Diodes CR301/302 only the decoupling cap C301(Suggested being faulty).

Is this a voltage doubling circuit , not sure?

?

Cheers,

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 17 April 2020 21:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Hello It can work stand alone. I have had failures in the PSU in a 180uF capacitor. It was a blue one. It was open and leaked alittle. If you need i Can find a psu and point to it. The cap was open and the 28v was absent.

PSU is taken out from the top side all 4 pcb must be folded out and below the alu cover is the PSU.

best regards Peter

?


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af stur_mm via groups.io <stuart.ian.richardson@...>
Sendt: 17. april 2020 15:40
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Would Like to say Good news but?

?

Managed to get the Analyser on the bench today for a quick check and looks as if 28Volts not there.

?

Also getting that smell of Burning rubber so worried could be causing more damage and need to isolate the source and start diagnosing supply.

?

Can the PSU work standalone, or is it load conscious?

?

Stu.

?

?

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 17 April 2020 09:51
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

hello Stu if you look on A2 on the side you see the LEDs for the PSU. All should be LIT. I am sure this is not a PSU issue.

If you work through the 300/600Mhz chain with an osilloscope you can check where the signal dissapears. I remember the 600Mhz is made in a doubler and if signal is too small you have not enough for doubling to 600Mhz.

best regards Peter

?


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Sendt: 17. april 2020 10:04
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Peter,

?

Ok from schematic I can see the 600MHz Oscillator ¨¤ Buffer ¨¤ /2 = 300Mhz ¨¤ Offset Loop Buffer. Is that correct?

Is it the /2 device your talking about? The whole board seems to be a 600Mhz PLL with 10Mhz ref at source.

Correct me if I¡¯m wrong.

?

I still think something burn¡¯t out although th PSU looks clean.

Just prepping up before getting My hands dirty..

?

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 16 April 2020 20:34
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Hello Stu I must correct my self. The 8562A is before use og MMIC. area is still the same. It is just discrete amplifiers. Order a schematics from Artic media ant look for Radio Frequency module look in the page with the generation of 300/600Mhz.

Reason why you can?t measure anything is because the 600Mhz is used for third mixer.

best regards PEter

?


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Sendt: 16. april 2020 17:33
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Peter,

?

Which board are we talking about ?

Still looking for the LED PSU indicators on the A2 card.

?

Presume you are referring RF board..?

Is this an off the shelf part or HP proprietary?

?

Thanks,

?

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 16 April 2020 06:59
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Hello Group a TAM is not needed in this case. It is simply a MMIC in the 300/600Mhz chain that is bad.

I believe Harke has a Hp85629A TAM for sale.

best regards Peter Hansen

?


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af Don Bitters via groups.io <donbitters@...>
Sendt: 16. april 2020 06:58
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

I suspect you might be able to rent the TAM from one of the ETE rental outfits for a month or so for not a horrible price.? I believe that Tam Hanna has one or two for sale, I may purchase one from him for my own use with my 8562A.
Don Bitters


Re: Series 1 & 2 boxes (was Seeking Spring Nuts for Series 1 cabinet)

 

The System II designation refers to the second design of MODULAR case. Not all HPAK instruments use modular cases. Obviously the ones pre-dating? it? can't.
339A and 3456A both use modular cases, the 3546A is System II and the 339A is the original, often called System I. The 5315A is non-modular (plastic case) so neither System I or II while the 5315B is modular, System II.

System I one piece exposed, cast side frames, sheet ot multipart front panel
System II one piece cast front panel frame, side structure hidden under cover panels.

HP sold both original and System II cases along side each other at least into the seventies.

Note that not all original modular cases (System I) had handles cast integrally with the side frames. you can't use absence of handles to determine case type.

The quirk of groups starting a new thread if you reply to an email is very annoying.

Robert G8RPI.


Re: HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

Steve,

?

Waiting for some ¡°Mate N lock¡± plugs to Test an existing board I have funny config but supplies all relevant circuits (RF) associated with errors I¡¯m seeing.

Any ideas on the 3 legged caps? Tants etc.

Are standard electrolytic OK to replace.

Thinking of doing a PSU refurb as the PSU has allot of these old caps.

?

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Stephen Hanselman
Sent: 21 April 2020 17:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

I assume that the C301 is connected to the top of the transformer that the lower CR304 is connected.? They are coupling some of the AC from the transformer up to CR301/CR302. I don¡¯t work on doublers very much but that¡¯s what the diode configuration would suggest.? I¡¯m not sure what the +28 is used for but it won¡¯t be very much current and C301 being wonky will keep this circuit from working.

?

Steve

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

hello i think it is to galvanize isolate that supply. But it is exact the cap. I bet it is open. just use a 220uf i do that all the time to bring it back.

let me know once you tried

best regards Peter

?


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Sendt: 21. april 2020 16:54
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Peter,

?

Have a 2nd PSU to remove and use as Test components.

One quick question?

?

What type of PSU is this never seen this type of config before!

?

?

?

There is no physical connectivity to the Diodes CR301/302 only the decoupling cap C301(Suggested being faulty).

Is this a voltage doubling circuit , not sure?

?

Cheers,

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 17 April 2020 21:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Hello It can work stand alone. I have had failures in the PSU in a 180uF capacitor. It was a blue one. It was open and leaked alittle. If you need i Can find a psu and point to it. The cap was open and the 28v was absent.

PSU is taken out from the top side all 4 pcb must be folded out and below the alu cover is the PSU.

best regards Peter

?


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af stur_mm via groups.io <stuart.ian.richardson@...>
Sendt: 17. april 2020 15:40
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Would Like to say Good news but?

?

Managed to get the Analyser on the bench today for a quick check and looks as if 28Volts not there.

?

Also getting that smell of Burning rubber so worried could be causing more damage and need to isolate the source and start diagnosing supply.

?

Can the PSU work standalone, or is it load conscious?

?

Stu.

?

?

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 17 April 2020 09:51
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

hello Stu if you look on A2 on the side you see the LEDs for the PSU. All should be LIT. I am sure this is not a PSU issue.

If you work through the 300/600Mhz chain with an osilloscope you can check where the signal dissapears. I remember the 600Mhz is made in a doubler and if signal is too small you have not enough for doubling to 600Mhz.

best regards Peter

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Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af stur_mm via groups.io <stuart.ian.richardson@...>
Sendt: 17. april 2020 10:04
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

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Peter,

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Ok from schematic I can see the 600MHz Oscillator ¨¤ Buffer ¨¤ /2 = 300Mhz ¨¤ Offset Loop Buffer. Is that correct?

Is it the /2 device your talking about? The whole board seems to be a 600Mhz PLL with 10Mhz ref at source.

Correct me if I¡¯m wrong.

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I still think something burn¡¯t out although th PSU looks clean.

Just prepping up before getting My hands dirty..

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Stu.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 16 April 2020 20:34
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

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Hello Stu I must correct my self. The 8562A is before use og MMIC. area is still the same. It is just discrete amplifiers. Order a schematics from Artic media ant look for Radio Frequency module look in the page with the generation of 300/600Mhz.

Reason why you can?t measure anything is because the 600Mhz is used for third mixer.

best regards PEter

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Sendt: 16. april 2020 17:33
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

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Peter,

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Which board are we talking about ?

Still looking for the LED PSU indicators on the A2 card.

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Presume you are referring RF board..?

Is this an off the shelf part or HP proprietary?

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Thanks,

?

Stu.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 16 April 2020 06:59
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

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Hello Group a TAM is not needed in this case. It is simply a MMIC in the 300/600Mhz chain that is bad.

I believe Harke has a Hp85629A TAM for sale.

best regards Peter Hansen

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Sendt: 16. april 2020 06:58
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

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I suspect you might be able to rent the TAM from one of the ETE rental outfits for a month or so for not a horrible price.? I believe that Tam Hanna has one or two for sale, I may purchase one from him for my own use with my 8562A.
Don Bitters


New file uploaded to [email protected]

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Re: Series 1 & 2 boxes (was Seeking Spring Nuts for Series 1 cabinet)

 

Some photos of System I and System II Cases on my website.



Steve

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 11:32:01 PM GMT+1, Jeremy Nichols <jn6wfo@...> wrote:


That¡¯s System II. They have removable handles. System I handles are part of the cast aluminum alloy side panels are are removable only by dropping the instrument from a considerable distance onto the handle. This process is not reversible!

Jeremy?


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:13 PM n4buq <n4buq@...> wrote:
Is a System III the type used for an HP 3456A, etc.?

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Kruth via " <kmec=[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 3:55:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment]Series 1 & 2 boxes (was Seeking Spring Nuts for Series 1 cabinet)
>
> Well, I was wrong and Robert corrected me. What I thought were System II were
> System I cases (not series), checked my 1976 Catalog, page 475 . They had no
> nomenclature for the earlier ones.
>
> So what is a System III case? I have heard mention of it.
> Jeff
> In a message dated 4/21/2020 2:38:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> kmec=[email protected] writes:
> Hi Dave!Series One is the 200C, etc, series of rounded corner cabinets that
> housed Rack mount instruments. The 340 Noise figure meter is an example that
> comes to mind: A puce cabinet that is held in place by 2 set crews under the
> front edge that allows the cabinet to slip off and reveal a 19 inch rack
> panel inside, ready to bolt up. There were smaller instruments like the 200
> CD, the 428A clip-on ammeter, 425A DC Microvoltmeter. Othe cases were the
> 608A-F Sig Gen, 606A/B sig gen, etc.The series 2 were cases like the 432A
> power meter and the 8640B sig gen, 8690 sweeper, 141T Spec An, etc. These
> used the cast aluminum side rails.
> Regards,Jeff
> In a message dated 4/21/2020 1:01:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> david_wise@... writes:
>
>
> ??Thank you, Jeff!? I only need two.? I'll send you my address off-list.
>
> ?
>
> Now I'm confused.? If I'm Series 2 (cast Al sides), then what was Series 1?
> ?Is there a cheat sheet, or representative example models?
>
> ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Wise
> From: [email protected]
> <[email protected]> on behalf of Jeff Kruth via
> <kmec=[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 9:48 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Seeking Spring Nuts for Series 1
> cabinet
> I have a stash from scrapping HP stuff. How many do you need? Also isnt the
> 740 a series 2 cabinet? With the cast Aluminum side rails, etc?
> Jeff
> In a message dated 4/21/2020 11:49:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> david_wise@... writes:
>
>
> The top and bottom covers of the 740B are secured by screws which go through
> 6-32 J-style?spring nuts clipped onto the side panels.? Except I'm missing
> some of them.? The manual doesn't mention them.
>
> ?
>
> These particular?spring nuts (speed?nuts, clip nuts, Tinnerman nuts, J-nuts,
> U-nuts)?seem to be obsolete or custom-made; I can't find anything to match.
>
> ?
>
> The sticking point is the?1/8-inch panel depth.
>
> ?
>
> All I can find?are for a 1/16-inch?panel.
>
> ?
>
> Got any leads?
>
> ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Wise
>
> ?
>
> PS: I think U-style would work as well as J-style.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



--
Jeremy Nichols
6.


Re: new File called App notes

 

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 13:45, David C. Partridge <david.partridge@...> wrote:
In fact I'd go so far as to say that in some cases manufacturers take active design steps to make things non-repairable.? :(

At least some of it is a result of taking active design steps to hinder counterfeiting.?

Dave.?
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Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@...

Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom


Re: Problem with HP MMS 70000, USERLOCK ON

 

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Hi JF & the Gang,

After reloading a fresh DLP NF 70875A from my original ROM personality module I got the same error ERR 2001 and entered once again into the USERLOCK ON dead lock.
I was again obliged to send the USERLOCK OFF over the HPIB bus and the analyzer function started to work fine back after a CAL ALL .
So I suspect a battery out of gas within the 70900B (but not sure ...), could someone let me know the type of battery I will have to purchase ?

Thanks
73's
Pierre-Fran?ois, F5BQP


Le 21/04/2020 ¨¤ 13:53, Pierre-Fran?ois (f5bqp_pfm) a ¨¦crit?:

Thank you JF, will keep you informed .

73's
pf


Le 21/04/2020 ¨¤ 13:37, jfphp via groups.io a ¨¦crit?:
Programing manual 70900-90284 p. 2.550
Check HPIB address of the 70900A/B !

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 11:11:02 AM GMT+2, Pierre-Fran?ois (f5bqp_pfm) <pfmonet@...> wrote:


Hi Paul,

I would like to reset my analyser as I'm into a deadlock within the DLP sequence and I cannot do anything to exit.
Even the Preset Instrument button (green button) shows me the message USERLOCK ON when I press it.

pf


Le 21/04/2020 ¨¤ 10:56, Paul Bicknell a ¨¦crit?:

Hi Pierre-Fran?ois

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Are you actually going to send commands to the? analyser if so why

?

I can see the need to do screen dumps to a computer? also? dater streams of the displayed information

?

Paul


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Pierre-Fran?ois (f5bqp_pfm)
Sent: 21 April 2020 06:17
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Problem with HP MMS 70000, USERLOCK ON

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Ok fine JF, but how to proceed when you have connected a computer to the HPIB ??
How to send the command ?

73's
pf

Le 20/04/2020 ¨¤ 23:19, jfphp via groups.io a ¨¦crit?:

USERLOCK OFF par HPIB.

On Monday, April 20, 2020, 08:55:34 PM GMT+2, Pierre-Fran?ois (f5bqp_pfm) <pfmonet@...> wrote:

?

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Hello,

After a long period of non use of my MMS 70k I decided to use it again to measure some NF with the 70875A DLP software.
A new calibration of the spectrum was done OK.
I loaded the 70875A DLP software and after some manipulation I realized I could not use anymore the software.
Don't know what I did but impossible to return to the spectrum functionalities.
When I try to preset the instrument (green button) or the Menu function I got USERLOCK ON and impossible anymore to use the instrument.
How to go to the USERLOCK OFF back again and/or to reset the instrument?
I'm really stucked on this situation with the impossibility to use it again.
Thanks for your help.


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JN18AN


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JN18AN


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JN18AN


Re: Decline, was Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] new File called App notes

 

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Lack of understanding of low level hardware is surprisingly common...wrote my latest book because of that. Would, in fact, like to keep this email as a testimonial of sorts...
With best regards
Tam HANNA (emailing on a BlackBerry PRIV)

Enjoy electronics? Join 14k other followers by visiting the Crazy Electronics Lab at

Am 21. April 2020 22:34:20 MESZ schrieb "Robert G8RPI via groups.io" <robert8rpi@...>:

Software bloat does not just affect "desktop" programs, it is a problem with embedded code too. I'm no programmer, but hacked some code together for a PIC16F87x to run the prototype of a small machine many yers ago. It had a very simple serial command interface. It was written with a basic complier (PicBasicPro). Prototype all worked so the design was given to the professional programmers to write "proper" code. A week later they came back and asked for a change to a PIC with more memory. In short, while I'd used the PIC's UART they used a bought in "C" comms libary that bit-banged the ame pin ......
In another case, a machine had to calculate timing for a dispense volume based on measured supply pressure and the programmers requested a 16bit processor thet supported floating point math.
I asked why they needed floating point math and then explained the significance of the choice of 4.096V as the ADC reference
Why complicate the code when you can tailor the hardware (or read the data sheet).

Robert G8RPI.


WTB: 5265A Digital Voltmeter for HP 5245L Electronic Counter.

 

Good Morning,

Thought I would ask on the chance that a 5265A Digital Voltmeter?plug-in might be for sale here. I plan to install the 5265A Digital Voltmeter plug-in into a K37-5245L Converter Interface which is basically a 5245L shell with just a power supply and a plug-in holder to be used as a remote source connected to the 5245L.

Also 5245?blank plug-in cover for when no plug-in installed in the 5245L would be useful if any are for sale..

Otherwise, I'm happy to keep searching the Internet.

Kind regards and stay safe,
Terry.


Re: Maximum depth of HP rack mountable gear?

 

FWIW, here's my experience and method of cutting a rack down to size. Same problem, it was too deep for the available space.

When setting up new racks, I usually make a base too, with fixed wheels at the back, swivel castors at the front, and the base extending forward about 10 to 13 cm with big screw-down bolts to take the weight off the castor wheels, plus act as anti-tilt bars. http://everist.org/NobLog/20130924_rack_roller_base.htm


Re: Do ManualsPlus still exist

 

The loss of ManualsPlus and the other physical archives, was a disaster. Few realize the magnitude.
Some links and photos here:


As for 'scanned eventually' - ha. No, it's lost. Most scans are atrocious quality, and part of that is due to the intrinsic crappiness of PDF.? Eventually every single 'scan' currently online, will have to be redone, once we have an acceptable file format and tools. But by then, most of the paper originals will be gone.


Re: Boonton Type 260-A Q Meter

Bob Albert
 

Regarding the 260, mine had a failure in the constant voltage transformer power supply.? While today's power is much more stable than yesterday's, the system also provides line isolation which is lost if one bypasses the regulator.

The problem in my case was a defective resonant capacitor which I replaced with modern parts.? I used the old enclosure, which entailed digging out the black tar potting compound.? My hands were filthy for weeks after that.? But it works great.

I wish I had some coils for it.? I also have the VHF model.? In retrospect, I see I haven't used either one in a long time so perhaps putting them up for sale would be a good idea.? I do my rf measurements with the nanoVNA now, and seldom care much about Q.? Nice instruments, albeit of the boat anchor sort.

I doubt I will be doing much trading, if any, until this lockdown eases, which I don't think is going to happen very soon.

Bob K6DDX

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 08:46:11 PM PDT, Richard Knoppow <dickburk@...> wrote:


?? Probably the most common problem with the 260 and the RX
meter are dirty contacts in the oscillator. Fortunately they are
not hard to get to and clean. A few applications of Deoxit will
clean them. Boonton suggested coating them with silicone grease.
I think the grease they ment was Lubriplate. I've used clear
grease. That seems to work. I think perhaps the Caig contact
cleaner for pots would also work. The symptom is the oscillator
being intermittent, not working on some bands, output low,
unstable, etc. Cleaning will generally fix it. I think if used
with any care the VTVM tube will last forever. The 260 is much
harder to overload than the previous models. The adjustment
procedure is fairly simple. One absolutely must have a couple of
standard coils. Note that there were two series of coils for
different purposes. The standard coils with very stable values of
Q and resonance, and working coils with higher Q but not so
accurately calibrated. Working coils can always be built and are
sometimes necessary for special measurements but standard coils
are necessary to check the Q readings. NBS would never certify Q
because they could not define it in terms of elementary standards
so Boonton was the horse's mouth as far as Q went.
?? The RX meter is also quite useful but modern impedance meters
are easier to use. Everything in both is very underrated so
generally the active components (tubes) will last forever.

On 12/11/2019 4:12 AM, Steve Hendrix wrote:
> Thanks to all who responded with lots of good information. I
> was able to get to my parents' yesterday with time to actually
> work on the thing together. It appears that the unit is overall
> functional, but that amazing carousel that switches in the
> components for the oscillator to do different frequency ranges
> has some problems, most likely the contacts. I am in awe of the
> mechanical engineering that went into this thing, in the days
> when vacuum tubes were expensive - today a 20c IC has way more
> active elements than this whole instrument.
>
> I tried cleaning the round rods on the carousel that engage the
> fixed contacts, using a sponge saturated with contact cleaner
> and passing the sponge between the rods so as to clean the area
> that makes contact with the fixed contacts. I made no attempt
> to reach the fixed contacts directly, as that would require
> some major disassembly (or much smaller fingers than mine or
> Dad's!). I was hoping the residual contact cleaner on the
> moving contacts would clean any residue off those. The unit is
> overall really clean inside, and the flat metal fixed tabs
> appear to be in good shape and properly tensioned, although
> maybe could use a bit more tension.
>
> I took the following data, using the numbers handwritten on the
> carousel that seem to correspond to the range numbering in the
> service manual. This suggests that there's no overall major
> problem, but that some of the sections aren't making contact
> (or have a problem within the section, as a less likely
> possibility). The sine waves all look very pure, and indeed the
> FFT feature on my scope didn't show any objectionable
> distortion. Measurements were taken by unplugging P201, and
> cobbling up a connection to that BNC.
>
> RangeBehavior across tuning range
> 1Fixed at 306 KHz, 1Vpeak
> 2Dead
> 3287KHz 1Vpeak to 725KHz 2Vpeak
> 4Dead
> 51.38MHz 15Vpeak to 3.5MHz 25Vpeak
> 63.5MHz 10Vpeak to 9.2MHz 22Vpeak
> 7Dead
> 819.3MHz 26Vpeak to 40MHz 1Vpeak
>
> So, can those here with much more knowledge of these things,
> please guide me on where to go next? I really hesitate to just
> go poking around in this, or especially to unnecessarily
> disassemble anything, because I'm well aware that these older
> instruments sometimes had some very clever engineering that
> required specific mechanical spacings, etc. I don't want to
> destroy an irreplaceable instrument.
>
> Steve Hendrix
>
> At 2019-11-29 12:56 PM, Bob Albert via Groups.Io wrote:
>> On 11/29/2019 6:00 AM, Steve Hendrix wrote:
>> > At my parents' home yesterday for Thanksgiving, my dad
>> showed me
>> > a Booton Type 260-A Q Meter. He is a long-retired EE, and this
>> > instrument was given to him by a friend of similar age, who
>> > inherited it from his own father. Based on the styling, the use
>> > of vacuum tubes ("valves" to our Limey friends!), and the
>> use of
>> > "cycles" for what we today would call "Hertz", I'd guess it
>> dates
>> > from the 40's or 50's. Dad thinks it's non-working, but we
>> didn't
>> > want to take too much time away from our family gathering, so
>> > just turned it on. The power light illuminates, and all the
>> tubes
>> > appear to have good filaments. I have found and downloaded the
>> > user manual and service manual, and it appears to have been
>> taken
>> > over by HP at some point. Next visit I plan to take my scope
>> > along and I look forward to diving into it together. Meantime,
>> > does anyone here have any knowledge of this critter, any tips,
>> > etc? Although I'm one of the "young whippersnappers" of this
>> > group, I'm old enough to know about tubes and HV capacitors and
>> > to keep one hand in my pocket, etc. Although it's billed as a Q
>> > Meter, it appears to have much more capability, pretty much
>> what
>> > we call an LCR meter today, covering "50 KC to 50 MC".
>

--
Richard Knoppow
WB6KBL





Re: Boonton Type 260-A Q Meter

 

Probably the most common problem with the 260 and the RX meter are dirty contacts in the oscillator. Fortunately they are not hard to get to and clean. A few applications of Deoxit will clean them. Boonton suggested coating them with silicone grease. I think the grease they ment was Lubriplate. I've used clear grease. That seems to work. I think perhaps the Caig contact cleaner for pots would also work. The symptom is the oscillator being intermittent, not working on some bands, output low, unstable, etc. Cleaning will generally fix it. I think if used with any care the VTVM tube will last forever. The 260 is much harder to overload than the previous models. The adjustment procedure is fairly simple. One absolutely must have a couple of standard coils. Note that there were two series of coils for different purposes. The standard coils with very stable values of Q and resonance, and working coils with higher Q but not so accurately calibrated. Working coils can always be built and are sometimes necessary for special measurements but standard coils are necessary to check the Q readings. NBS would never certify Q because they could not define it in terms of elementary standards so Boonton was the horse's mouth as far as Q went.
?? The RX meter is also quite useful but modern impedance meters are easier to use. Everything in both is very underrated so generally the active components (tubes) will last forever.

On 12/11/2019 4:12 AM, Steve Hendrix wrote:
Thanks to all who responded with lots of good information. I was able to get to my parents' yesterday with time to actually work on the thing together. It appears that the unit is overall functional, but that amazing carousel that switches in the components for the oscillator to do different frequency ranges has some problems, most likely the contacts. I am in awe of the mechanical engineering that went into this thing, in the days when vacuum tubes were expensive - today a 20c IC has way more active elements than this whole instrument.

I tried cleaning the round rods on the carousel that engage the fixed contacts, using a sponge saturated with contact cleaner and passing the sponge between the rods so as to clean the area that makes contact with the fixed contacts. I made no attempt to reach the fixed contacts directly, as that would require some major disassembly (or much smaller fingers than mine or Dad's!). I was hoping the residual contact cleaner on the moving contacts would clean any residue off those. The unit is overall really clean inside, and the flat metal fixed tabs appear to be in good shape and properly tensioned, although maybe could use a bit more tension.

I took the following data, using the numbers handwritten on the carousel that seem to correspond to the range numbering in the service manual. This suggests that there's no overall major problem, but that some of the sections aren't making contact (or have a problem within the section, as a less likely possibility). The sine waves all look very pure, and indeed the FFT feature on my scope didn't show any objectionable distortion. Measurements were taken by unplugging P201, and cobbling up a connection to that BNC.

RangeBehavior across tuning range
1Fixed at 306 KHz, 1Vpeak
2Dead
3287KHz 1Vpeak to 725KHz 2Vpeak
4Dead
51.38MHz 15Vpeak to 3.5MHz 25Vpeak
63.5MHz 10Vpeak to 9.2MHz 22Vpeak
7Dead
819.3MHz 26Vpeak to 40MHz 1Vpeak

So, can those here with much more knowledge of these things, please guide me on where to go next? I really hesitate to just go poking around in this, or especially to unnecessarily disassemble anything, because I'm well aware that these older instruments sometimes had some very clever engineering that required specific mechanical spacings, etc. I don't want to destroy an irreplaceable instrument.

Steve Hendrix

At 2019-11-29 12:56 PM, Bob Albert via Groups.Io wrote:
On 11/29/2019 6:00 AM, Steve Hendrix wrote:
At my parents' home yesterday for Thanksgiving, my dad
showed me
a Booton Type 260-A Q Meter. He is a long-retired EE, and this
instrument was given to him by a friend of similar age, who
inherited it from his own father. Based on the styling, the use
of vacuum tubes ("valves" to our Limey friends!), and the
use of
"cycles" for what we today would call "Hertz", I'd guess it
dates
from the 40's or 50's. Dad thinks it's non-working, but we
didn't
want to take too much time away from our family gathering, so
just turned it on. The power light illuminates, and all the
tubes
appear to have good filaments. I have found and downloaded the
user manual and service manual, and it appears to have been
taken
over by HP at some point. Next visit I plan to take my scope
along and I look forward to diving into it together. Meantime,
does anyone here have any knowledge of this critter, any tips,
etc? Although I'm one of the "young whippersnappers" of this
group, I'm old enough to know about tubes and HV capacitors and
to keep one hand in my pocket, etc. Although it's billed as a Q
Meter, it appears to have much more capability, pretty much
what
we call an LCR meter today, covering "50 KC to 50 MC".
--
Richard Knoppow
dickburk@...
WB6KBL


Re: HP 3314A manual needed

 

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If possible I¡¯d like a copy, thanks!!

S.hanselman@...


Regards,

?

Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC




On Apr 21, 2020, at 19:00, amirb <amir.borji@...> wrote:

?sorry but the one on keysight has all the chapters including servicing and adjustment and also schematics?


this is the one? I have used to repair multiple of these units in the past...
one time however, in one of the signature tables (dont remember which one) there was a signal (clock?) that did not exist on the
logic board that I was repairing but it was in the schematics. I managed to create that signal using a spare gate?
in one of the chips on the board and a bit of wiring.?