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Re: Advantest R3767BH VNA date+time setting

Jesse Lackey
 

Thanks Tam, appreciate your looking at it!
J


Tam Hanna wrote:

Hello,
All I have is an ancient R3361. Afaik it doesn't even have a clock. I also have no system menu, only a key labeled Menu but it does not do much.
Tam
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Am 16. April 2020 20:47:14 MESZ schrieb Jesse Lackey <jesse@...>:
Hello all, I'm hoping someone happens to have this unit or related and
can confirm a dumb little thing for me.
I realize this list is for HP gear. If that is strict, let me know and
I apologize in advance. I'm relatively new here. (I do have an HP
4192A 13Mhz impedance analyzer, three HP 3245A universal source units
I'm refurbing, and three 34401A multimeters!)
I bought the Advantest VNA at an auction recently, and the date+time is
forever Midnight Jan 1 1970. The battery was dead (probably long dead),
I replaced it, and ... still nothing. I can't set the date/time, and
the timestamp on the display don't change, curiously. Simply not
running, and all attempts to set it fail. Which is particularly curious.
I can save/restore configurations fine.
The next step is to replace the RTC chip, it is the Epson RTC62423A,
obsolete but obtainable. The crystal is in the chip, and there is no
clock output (firmware reads/writes registers to read/set the time), so
it isn't easily verified via a scope if it is internally running or not.
When the VNA boots up, the RTC self test passes, another curious
thing. It may be only that this chip responds, not that it is actually
counting time.
What would be great to know, as a total newbie with this unit, is that I
am in fact trying to set the time correctly. Here's what I do:
System -> Set Clock -> Year, and the display says 1970. I key in 1971
and press the Year softkey again. The display jumps back to 1970. This
behavior is the same for month/day/hour/min/second.
Thanks all!
J
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Re: CorCom F2080 .1uf capicator replacement

 

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Errm don¡¯t you mean TFT not THT...
Regards
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bruce <bruce@...>
Sent: 16 April 2020 20:53:12
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] CorCom F2080 .1uf capicator replacement
?
After giving it a bit of thought, Through Hole Technology ????
Quoting Stephen Hanselman <kc4sw.io@...>:

> Tubuler film?????? The metalized comment makes me think back to the
> metal film days.
>
> Purchased parts list says:
> Metalized paper as you showed except 250VAC(RMS)
> From Artiebolaget Rfia p/n PME 271 M 610. In ¡®78 cost a whole $.31
>
> Steve
>
> Regards,
>
> Stephen Hanselman
> Datagate Systems, LLC
>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 13:43, Bruce <bruce@...> wrote:
>>
>> ?OK so I looked them on Keysight find a part - still available.
>>
>> Part 0160-4065? Zapacitor .1uf +20% 630V Metalized TFT? Price $4.30
>>
>> Anybody know what TFT stands for ??
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> Quoting "Greg Muir via groups.io" <big_sky_explorer@...>:
>>
>>> Why not look at something like the Vishay 20VL series capacitor?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I see Mouser has the 0.1 uF/400VAC one (stock # 75-20VLP10-R) in
>>> their stock for $4 and change.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>







Re: CorCom F2080 .1uf capicator replacement

 

After giving it a bit of thought, Through Hole Technology ????
Quoting Stephen Hanselman <kc4sw.io@...>:

Tubuler film???? The metalized comment makes me think back to the
metal film days.

Purchased parts list says:
Metalized paper as you showed except 250VAC(RMS)
From Artiebolaget Rfia p/n PME 271 M 610. In ¡®78 cost a whole $.31

Steve

Regards,

Stephen Hanselman
Datagate Systems, LLC
On Apr 16, 2020, at 13:43, Bruce <bruce@...> wrote:

?OK so I looked them on Keysight find a part - still available.

Part 0160-4065 Zapacitor .1uf +20% 630V Metalized TFT Price $4.30

Anybody know what TFT stands for ??

Cheers!


Quoting "Greg Muir via groups.io" <big_sky_explorer@...>:

Why not look at something like the Vishay 20VL series capacitor?



I see Mouser has the 0.1 uF/400VAC one (stock # 75-20VLP10-R) in
their stock for $4 and change.

Greg





Re: CorCom F2080 .1uf capicator replacement

 

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Tubuler film???? ? The metalized comment makes me think back to the metal film days.?

Purchased parts list says:
Metalized paper as you showed except 250VAC(RMS)
From Artiebolaget Rfia p/n PME 271 M 610. In ¡®78 cost a whole $.31

Steve

Regards,

?

Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC




On Apr 16, 2020, at 13:43, Bruce <bruce@...> wrote:

?OK so I looked them on Keysight find a part - still available.

Part 0160-4065 ?Zapacitor .1uf +20% 630V Metalized TFT ?Price $4.30

Anybody know what TFT stands for ??

Cheers!


Quoting "Greg Muir via groups.io" <big_sky_explorer@...>:

Why not look at something like the Vishay 20VL series capacitor?

https://www.vishay.com/docs/23107/20vl.pdf

I see Mouser has the 0.1 uF/400VAC one (stock # 75-20VLP10-R) in their stock for $4 and change.

Greg








Re: CorCom F2080 .1uf capicator replacement

 

OK so I looked them on Keysight find a part - still available.

Part 0160-4065 Zapacitor .1uf +20% 630V Metalized TFT Price $4.30

Anybody know what TFT stands for ??

Cheers!


Quoting "Greg Muir via groups.io" <big_sky_explorer@...>:

Why not look at something like the Vishay 20VL series capacitor?



I see Mouser has the 0.1 uF/400VAC one (stock # 75-20VLP10-R) in their stock for $4 and change.

Greg


Re: Calibrate a 431c with 8477a?

 

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Calibrate no, get close probably. ?If you only have one head and a sig gen you REALLY trust you could run the cal procedure. It would be a good/reasonable indicator but not calibrated. You really need to do the meter with the range calibrator. ?

I used to have one but it lives in Eagle Point Or. with a friend of mine. If you were domestic I¡¯d try to get and then do the cal for you.?

Regards,

?

Stephen Hanselman

Datagate Systems, LLC




On Apr 16, 2020, at 13:05, Szabolcs Szigeti <szigiszabolcs@...> wrote:

?
Hi,

Is it possible to calibrate a 431C power meter with a 8477A or do I need a 8402A for this?

Thanks.

Szabolcs


Re: CorCom F2080 .1uf capicator replacement

 

Why not look at something like the Vishay 20VL series capacitor?

?

?

I see Mouser has the 0.1 uF/400VAC one (stock # 75-20VLP10-R) in their stock for $4 and change.

?

Greg


Re: hp8350b/hp83595a front panel mod

 

Yeah, I figure an 8510 requires persuasive diplomacy and unplanned presents :-).

Pretty much the same here; set up a HAM lab decades ago. Sub-GHz for many years. Then an hp141t. But things exploded over recent years due to my RF colleague having to reduce "his" lab's footprint twice, internally auctioning dozens of really well-maintained HP units (thanks Peter!). He just couldn't stand the thought of the units ending up as scrap metal, and rightfully so. I must have scored >15 units, including hp70000, hp8566b, 2xhp8350b, hp8663a (wow!). So, right now, I feel obliged to bring them all into glourius shape. But I'm discovering that >SMA && >N may just be out of my league. Still trying to find the high watermark for me though (24 GHz is a HAM band...).

Worked with Raytheon quite often actually (MIM-23/MIM-104/NASAMS), though from a procurement perspective. Small world :-).


Re: HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

Pete Manfre
 

Not that i know of.? ?If I find more i will post them.?

P

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 3:24 PM Peter Hansen <oz1lpr@...> wrote:
all ok pete. Do ypu have other high power amps for 5.7 or 10Ghz
73 Peter


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af Peter Hansen <oz1lpr@...>
Sendt: 16. april 2020 21:22
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333
?
Hello Stu thie MMIC is placed on the A15 board the is the lowest on the analyzer. It is below the screens on the PCB. I will look dokumentation if I still can find it.
Any MMIC can do it if it can make around 20dBm
best regards Peter


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af stur_mm via <stuart.ian.richardson=[email protected]>
Sendt: 16. april 2020 17:33
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333
?

Peter,

?

Which board are we talking about ?

Still looking for the LED PSU indicators on the A2 card.

?

Presume you are referring RF board..?

Is this an off the shelf part or HP proprietary?

?

Thanks,

?

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 16 April 2020 06:59
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Hello Group a TAM is not needed in this case. It is simply a MMIC in the 300/600Mhz chain that is bad.

I believe Harke has a Hp85629A TAM for sale.

best regards Peter Hansen

?


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af Don Bitters via <donbitters@...>
Sendt: 16. april 2020 06:58
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

I suspect you might be able to rent the TAM from one of the ETE rental outfits for a month or so for not a horrible price.? I believe that Tam Hanna has one or two for sale, I may purchase one from him for my own use with my 8562A.
Don Bitters



Calibrate a 431c with 8477a?

 

Hi,

Is it possible to calibrate a 431C power meter with a 8477A or do I need a 8402A for this?

Thanks.

Szabolcs


Re: CorCom F2080 .1uf capicator replacement

 

Sounds like another instance of the infamous Wima et al brand paper cap situation, discussed here often. HP used them a lot in that era. They look like rectangular amber clear epoxy bodies - when they're not all burned up. Replace them whenever encountered, with modern "X" caps, which means they are safety rated for across the line use, usually up to 250 VAC. Lots of vendors make them, so there are lots of choices. Just be sure to get the "X" kind - it's marked right on the part.

Ed


Re: HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

 

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Hello Stu I must correct my self. The 8562A is before use og MMIC. area is still the same. It is just discrete amplifiers. Order a schematics from Artic media ant look for Radio Frequency module look in the page with the generation of 300/600Mhz.
Reason why you can?t measure anything is because the 600Mhz is used for third mixer.
best regards PEter


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Sendt: 16. april 2020 17:33
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333
?

Peter,

?

Which board are we talking about ?

Still looking for the LED PSU indicators on the A2 card.

?

Presume you are referring RF board..?

Is this an off the shelf part or HP proprietary?

?

Thanks,

?

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 16 April 2020 06:59
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Hello Group a TAM is not needed in this case. It is simply a MMIC in the 300/600Mhz chain that is bad.

I believe Harke has a Hp85629A TAM for sale.

best regards Peter Hansen

?


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af Don Bitters via groups.io <donbitters@...>
Sendt: 16. april 2020 06:58
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

I suspect you might be able to rent the TAM from one of the ETE rental outfits for a month or so for not a horrible price.? I believe that Tam Hanna has one or two for sale, I may purchase one from him for my own use with my 8562A.
Don Bitters



Re: HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

 

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all ok pete. Do ypu have other high power amps for 5.7 or 10Ghz
73 Peter


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af Peter Hansen <oz1lpr@...>
Sendt: 16. april 2020 21:22
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333
?
Hello Stu thie MMIC is placed on the A15 board the is the lowest on the analyzer. It is below the screens on the PCB. I will look dokumentation if I still can find it.
Any MMIC can do it if it can make around 20dBm
best regards Peter


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af stur_mm via groups.io <stuart.ian.richardson@...>
Sendt: 16. april 2020 17:33
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333
?

Peter,

?

Which board are we talking about ?

Still looking for the LED PSU indicators on the A2 card.

?

Presume you are referring RF board..?

Is this an off the shelf part or HP proprietary?

?

Thanks,

?

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 16 April 2020 06:59
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Hello Group a TAM is not needed in this case. It is simply a MMIC in the 300/600Mhz chain that is bad.

I believe Harke has a Hp85629A TAM for sale.

best regards Peter Hansen

?


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af Don Bitters via groups.io <donbitters@...>
Sendt: 16. april 2020 06:58
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

I suspect you might be able to rent the TAM from one of the ETE rental outfits for a month or so for not a horrible price.? I believe that Tam Hanna has one or two for sale, I may purchase one from him for my own use with my 8562A.
Don Bitters



CorCom F2080 .1uf capicator replacement

 

I just hauled two 8566s out of long term storage and had the capacitor across the line at the Corecom filter smoke.? I rememer some discussion on the best replacement for this capacitor but can not find the thread.

Would anybody with knowledge on the subject please recommend what is the best replacement part.

Thanks!


Re: HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

 

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Hello Stu thie MMIC is placed on the A15 board the is the lowest on the analyzer. It is below the screens on the PCB. I will look dokumentation if I still can find it.
Any MMIC can do it if it can make around 20dBm
best regards Peter


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af stur_mm via groups.io <stuart.ian.richardson@...>
Sendt: 16. april 2020 17:33
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333
?

Peter,

?

Which board are we talking about ?

Still looking for the LED PSU indicators on the A2 card.

?

Presume you are referring RF board..?

Is this an off the shelf part or HP proprietary?

?

Thanks,

?

Stu.

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Hansen
Sent: 16 April 2020 06:59
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

Hello Group a TAM is not needed in this case. It is simply a MMIC in the 300/600Mhz chain that is bad.

I believe Harke has a Hp85629A TAM for sale.

best regards Peter Hansen

?


Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> p? vegne af Don Bitters via groups.io <donbitters@...>
Sendt: 16. april 2020 06:58
Til: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] HP8562A Errors 304,335,317,333

?

I suspect you might be able to rent the TAM from one of the ETE rental outfits for a month or so for not a horrible price.? I believe that Tam Hanna has one or two for sale, I may purchase one from him for my own use with my 8562A.
Don Bitters



Re: Advantest R3767BH VNA date+time setting

 

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Hello,
All I have is an ancient R3361. Afaik it doesn't even have a clock. I also have no system menu, only a key labeled Menu but it does not do much.

Tam
With best regards
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Am 16. April 2020 20:47:14 MESZ schrieb Jesse Lackey <jesse@...>:

Hello all, I'm hoping someone happens to have this unit or related and 
can confirm a dumb little thing for me.

I realize this list is for HP gear. If that is strict, let me know and
I apologize in advance. I'm relatively new here. (I do have an HP
4192A 13Mhz impedance analyzer, three HP 3245A universal source units
I'm refurbing, and three 34401A multimeters!)

I bought the Advantest VNA at an auction recently, and the date+time is
forever Midnight Jan 1 1970. The battery was dead (probably long dead),
I replaced it, and ... still nothing. I can't set the date/time, and
the timestamp on the display don't change, curiously. Simply not
running, and all attempts to set it fail. Which is particularly curious.

I can save/restore configurations fine.

The next step is to replace the RTC chip, it is the Epson RTC62423A,
obsolete but obtainable. The crystal is in the chip, and there is no
clock output (firmware reads/writes registers to read/set the time), so
it isn't easily verified via a scope if it is internally running or not.
When the VNA boots up, the RTC self test passes, another curious
thing. It may be only that this chip responds, not that it is actually
counting time.

What would be great to know, as a total newbie with this unit, is that I
am in fact trying to set the time correctly. Here's what I do:
System -> Set Clock -> Year, and the display says 1970. I key in 1971
and press the Year softkey again. The display jumps back to 1970. This
behavior is the same for month/day/hour/min/second.

Thanks all!
J
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Re: HP 53310A - Why did I not know about this sooner?

 

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Hello,
Oops. I thought it meant dead, or retired from sth.

Sorry for the scare.
With best regards
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Am 16. April 2020 20:45:42 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire <mcguire@...>:


Oh, oh oh. You had me scared for a minute. "The late" means "he
died", man. Not cool, please don't say that unless someone has actually
died. That's more important now than ever.

I talked with him a couple of years ago, he was doing fine.

-Dave

On 4/16/20 2:41 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:
Yeah. That dude went monk mode last time I heard. No idea...wish him well...
With best regards
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On 4/16/20 2:04 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

As for the 53310A: not sure if it pays. You would need to use an
FPGA to
harvest the digital data being farted out. I wanted to do it
once, but
never had the time. However, afaik, the video board on these
units is a
separate board (as per the late Jzon Geller), and some
instructions in
the service manual of the 53310A even give some data about the
pinout.


You don't mean Joe Geller? "The late"?

-Dave

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Advantest R3767BH VNA date+time setting

Jesse Lackey
 

Hello all, I'm hoping someone happens to have this unit or related and can confirm a dumb little thing for me.

I realize this list is for HP gear. If that is strict, let me know and I apologize in advance. I'm relatively new here. (I do have an HP 4192A 13Mhz impedance analyzer, three HP 3245A universal source units I'm refurbing, and three 34401A multimeters!)

I bought the Advantest VNA at an auction recently, and the date+time is forever Midnight Jan 1 1970. The battery was dead (probably long dead), I replaced it, and ... still nothing. I can't set the date/time, and the timestamp on the display don't change, curiously. Simply not running, and all attempts to set it fail. Which is particularly curious.

I can save/restore configurations fine.

The next step is to replace the RTC chip, it is the Epson RTC62423A, obsolete but obtainable. The crystal is in the chip, and there is no clock output (firmware reads/writes registers to read/set the time), so it isn't easily verified via a scope if it is internally running or not. When the VNA boots up, the RTC self test passes, another curious thing. It may be only that this chip responds, not that it is actually counting time.

What would be great to know, as a total newbie with this unit, is that I am in fact trying to set the time correctly. Here's what I do:
System -> Set Clock -> Year, and the display says 1970. I key in 1971 and press the Year softkey again. The display jumps back to 1970. This behavior is the same for month/day/hour/min/second.

Thanks all!
J


Re: HP 53310A - Why did I not know about this sooner?

 

Oh, oh oh. You had me scared for a minute. "The late" means "he
died", man. Not cool, please don't say that unless someone has actually
died. That's more important now than ever.

I talked with him a couple of years ago, he was doing fine.

-Dave

On 4/16/20 2:41 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:
Yeah. That dude went monk mode last time I heard. No idea...wish him well...
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Am 16. April 2020 20:39:02 MESZ schrieb Dave McGuire
<mcguire@...>:

On 4/16/20 2:04 PM, Tam Hanna wrote:

As for the 53310A: not sure if it pays. You would need to use an
FPGA to
harvest the digital data being farted out. I wanted to do it
once, but
never had the time. However, afaik, the video board on these
units is a
separate board (as per the late Jzon Geller), and some
instructions in
the service manual of the 53310A even give some data about the
pinout.


You don't mean Joe Geller? "The late"?

-Dave

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Re: HP 53310A - Why did I not know about this sooner?

 

I use the much older Hp 5372A time/frequency analyzer, before they came up with the name Modulation Domain analyzer. It uses the 68000 processor series and is a bit dated from the 1980s, but when it comes to binning frequency fluctuations from our master RF reference source at the particle factory, this is the box. The older ones were all in one, with buttons to bring up statistics, allen dev, and other oscillator checks. It has an internal HP10811-series ovenized oscillator so everything is compared to that, or you can compare two different channels. I used it to prove that our fancy GPS-disciplined Meridian reference was awful compared to an old HP 105A double ovenized standard (that has the same 101811 inside!). Eventually we scrapped the Meridian receivers and got a new Stanford Research Associates GPS-disciplined source with excellent ovenized crystal oscillator. So I have to hand it to the 5372A for making the proof that I needed to convince another engineer that his new receivers were not up to snuff. I haven't played with the later modulation domain analyzers like the 53310A, so would be curious to hear how it works out and what sort of applications its handy for.