I have no financially interest in this-but please look up the seller I refer to.He clearly states that their MXA`s have been ``fixed`` regarding options,so no Keysight Lab will service/cal it..The alltest link were just to show that even? Keysight interchange frontpanels logo and installed firmware…. No more from me. Besides I do admire your xdevs site-good work. Best Regards Hardy ? ? And what is the point I missed? If service is done by legit repair lab or Keysight, S/N does not change and it will always be matching.
Alltest you linked is a legit unit with everything mathing up nicely, including records in Keysight calibration database, with report available from 1 December 2009.
No problems with the machine you linked, unlike any of the chinese units.
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On 04/25/2024 3:48 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote: Hello?? Illya You misunderstand the point! In some cases they interchange mainframes-front-panel and processor boards!You are that in some cases hostid and serial nr doesn’t matc-they don’t care to fix it-even its possible.Alltest also sell these machines-made a link.Look close..its both an Agilent AND Keysight!!so???
Hardy ? ? Hello Hardy,
EXT is E6607B :
They are obviously legit Agilent/Keysight hardware and components, including software and license server. But MXA you see on all those ebay listings are modified units and they run modified license servers, made to work with any serial number and license key. Dead give away available on the screenshots of the listings, where you see machine HostID S/N and actual S/N of the unit not matching up. Legitimate licenses issued by Keysight always match in S/N. If you look very closely you can also see that all these $1-2k MXAs have aftermarket labels, like the font and logos don't match actual factory made Keysight/Agilent N9020A.
It's also easy to check by running S/N of converted MXA via Keysight support database to see what it comes back to ;)
Now , do they work as real 3.6GHz MXA? Yes, at least I had all the basic functions behave as expected.
But it does not mean they would be supported, serviced or related to Keysight in any official way anymore after such "conversion". :)
On 04/25/2024 1:07 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote: Hi I am not sure I understand your statement!! These MXA`s are genuie Agilent/keysight N9020A analyzers-These resellers did get many and some were obviously a mix of mainframe and processor board.If you look closely at them you find ??they use a license server—no copy cat !!!.Thats necessary because the machines id are located in two places—midplane board and processor board…this process are also described in the MXA service manual!! Regarding options-I know they can make specific options—still no copy cat!!...and at least one reseller also can calibrate equipment. Whats EXT ? Regards Hardy ? ? I've got mine few years back. They get lot of EXT units when upgraded their cell tower base station test labs to newer and faster equipment. EXT is essentially MXA hardware with different personality and additional source hardware for wireless testing. All these sellers took that additional hardware, modified the ID on these units to become a standard MXA 9020 and copied software licenses for these units to work as MXA. Some of the sellers claim to calibrate them to match 3.6GHz specs of "real" 9020, but there are no any traceable papers obviously. So that's what they are. Mine unit works fine, but I'm not experienced in RF domain, my interests usually stop at 50 MHz (not GHz!) :-)
If anybody wants some tests, I can probably run them and post results, but keep in mind that I don't have the usual RF hardware in my DC/LF lab.
BR,
Illya
xDevs.com
On 04/19/2024 8:59 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote: Please understand the way they do it over there!! Even simpler things have similar . multiple outlets- at ?ec alliexprex.It seems they do not care as we do do. But I and several others in Canada-UK-Australia,Denmark have received good well packaged MXA``?s from---THEM….-I have receive 4!!! So bogus?? Your choice. Hardy ? ? Yes Carsten the same items are listed with multiple sellers and understand it looks a bit bogus.
However it looks like mobile phone manufacturers are getting rid of their old test kit to anyonyone and various 3rd parties are selling them on.
They've probably got 100's if not 1000's of them.
Some seem to have no idea and eventually found a seller via the .com site rather than the .co.uk site with a better price and who was willing to communicate, show pictures of the options etc.
The adverts are poor and cut and pasted and do say 'Brand new', XP system etc as the sellers dont know what they are selling.
You may be able to get a $1200 one with all the options if you look hard enough. I paid a bit more but as a run a business so it hurts less!!
Will report back when it arrives.
Regards to all
p.s. Oh just to answer the other question re 'Is it any better than a 8566B'
Yes, very much so as it's way more than a Swept Spec Ani.
?
?
?
|
And what is the point I missed? If
service is done by legit repair lab or Keysight, S/N does not
change and it will always be matching.
Alltest you linked is a legit unit with everything mathing up
nicely, including records in Keysight calibration database, with
report available from 1 December 2009.
No problems with the machine you linked, unlike any of the chinese
units.
On 04/25/2024 3:48 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote:
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Hello??
Illya
You misunderstand the
point!
In some cases they
interchange mainframes-front-panel and processor boards!You
are that in some cases hostid and serial nr doesn’t
matc-they don’t care to fix it-even its possible.Alltest
also sell these machines-made a link.Look close..its both an
Agilent AND Keysight!!so???
Hardy
?
?
Hello Hardy,
EXT is E6607B :
They are obviously legit Agilent/Keysight hardware and
components, including software and license server. But MXA
you see on all those ebay listings are modified units and
they run modified license servers, made to work with any
serial number and license key. Dead give away available on
the screenshots of the listings, where you see machine
HostID S/N and actual S/N of the unit not matching up.
Legitimate licenses issued by Keysight always match in S/N.
If you look very closely you can also see that all these
$1-2k MXAs have aftermarket labels, like the font and logos
don't match actual factory made Keysight/Agilent N9020A.
It's also easy to check by running S/N of converted MXA via
Keysight support database to see what it comes back to ;)
Now , do they work as real 3.6GHz MXA? Yes, at least I had
all the basic functions behave as expected.
But it does not mean they would be supported, serviced or
related to Keysight in any official way anymore after such
"conversion". :)
On 04/25/2024 1:07 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote:
Hi
I am not sure I understand your statement!!
These MXA`s are genuie Agilent/keysight
N9020A analyzers-These resellers did get many and some
were obviously a mix of mainframe and processor board.If
you look closely at them you find ??they use a license
server—no copy cat !!!.Thats necessary because the
machines id are located in two places—midplane board and
processor board…this process are also described in the MXA
service manual!!
Regarding options-I know they can make
specific options—still no copy cat!!...and at least one
reseller also can calibrate equipment.
Whats EXT ?
Regards
Hardy
?
?
I've got mine few years back. They get
lot of EXT units when upgraded their cell tower base
station test labs to newer and faster equipment. EXT is
essentially MXA hardware with different personality and
additional source hardware for wireless testing. All these
sellers took that additional hardware, modified the ID on
these units to become a standard MXA 9020 and copied
software licenses for these units to work as MXA. Some of
the sellers claim to calibrate them to match 3.6GHz specs
of "real" 9020, but there are no any traceable papers
obviously. So that's what they are. Mine unit works fine,
but I'm not experienced in RF domain, my interests usually
stop at 50 MHz (not GHz!) :-)
If anybody wants some tests, I can probably run them and
post results, but keep in mind that I don't have the usual
RF hardware in my DC/LF lab.
BR,
Illya
xDevs.com
On 04/19/2024 8:59 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote:
Please
understand the way they do it over there!!
Even
simpler things have similar . multiple outlets- at ?ec
alliexprex.It seems they do not care as we do do.
But I
and several others in Canada-UK-Australia,Denmark have
received good well packaged MXA``?s from---THEM….-I have
receive 4!!!
So
bogus?? Your choice.
Hardy
?
?
Yes Carsten the same items are listed
with multiple sellers and understand it looks a bit bogus.
However it looks like mobile phone manufacturers are
getting rid of their old test kit to anyonyone and various
3rd parties are selling them on.
They've probably got 100's if not 1000's of them.
Some seem to have no idea and eventually found a seller
via the .com site rather than the .co.uk site with a
better price and who was willing to communicate, show
pictures of the options etc.
The adverts are poor and cut and pasted and do say 'Brand
new', XP system etc as the sellers dont know what they are
selling.
You may be able to get a $1200 one with all the options if
you look hard enough. I paid a bit more but as a run a
business so it hurts less!!
Will report back when it arrives.
Regards to all
p.s. Oh just to answer the other question re 'Is it any
better than a 8566B'
Yes, very much so as it's way more than a Swept Spec Ani.
?
?
|
Hello?? Illya You misunderstand the point! In some cases they interchange mainframes-front-panel and processor boards!You are that in some cases hostid and serial nr doesn’t matc-they don’t care to fix it-even its possible.Alltest also sell these machines-made a link.Look close..its both an Agilent AND Keysight!!so???
Hardy ? ? Hello Hardy,
EXT is E6607B :
They are obviously legit Agilent/Keysight hardware and components, including software and license server. But MXA you see on all those ebay listings are modified units and they run modified license servers, made to work with any serial number and license key. Dead give away available on the screenshots of the listings, where you see machine HostID S/N and actual S/N of the unit not matching up. Legitimate licenses issued by Keysight always match in S/N. If you look very closely you can also see that all these $1-2k MXAs have aftermarket labels, like the font and logos don't match actual factory made Keysight/Agilent N9020A.
It's also easy to check by running S/N of converted MXA via Keysight support database to see what it comes back to ;)
Now , do they work as real 3.6GHz MXA? Yes, at least I had all the basic functions behave as expected.
But it does not mean they would be supported, serviced or related to Keysight in any official way anymore after such "conversion". :)
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On 04/25/2024 1:07 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote: Hi I am not sure I understand your statement!! These MXA`s are genuie Agilent/keysight N9020A analyzers-These resellers did get many and some were obviously a mix of mainframe and processor board.If you look closely at them you find ??they use a license server—no copy cat !!!.Thats necessary because the machines id are located in two places—midplane board and processor board…this process are also described in the MXA service manual!! Regarding options-I know they can make specific options—still no copy cat!!...and at least one reseller also can calibrate equipment. Whats EXT ? Regards Hardy ? ? I've got mine few years back. They get lot of EXT units when upgraded their cell tower base station test labs to newer and faster equipment. EXT is essentially MXA hardware with different personality and additional source hardware for wireless testing. All these sellers took that additional hardware, modified the ID on these units to become a standard MXA 9020 and copied software licenses for these units to work as MXA. Some of the sellers claim to calibrate them to match 3.6GHz specs of "real" 9020, but there are no any traceable papers obviously. So that's what they are. Mine unit works fine, but I'm not experienced in RF domain, my interests usually stop at 50 MHz (not GHz!) :-)
If anybody wants some tests, I can probably run them and post results, but keep in mind that I don't have the usual RF hardware in my DC/LF lab.
BR,
Illya
xDevs.com
On 04/19/2024 8:59 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote: Please understand the way they do it over there!! Even simpler things have similar . multiple outlets- at ?ec alliexprex.It seems they do not care as we do do. But I and several others in Canada-UK-Australia,Denmark have received good well packaged MXA``?s from---THEM….-I have receive 4!!! So bogus?? Your choice. Hardy ? ? Yes Carsten the same items are listed with multiple sellers and understand it looks a bit bogus.
However it looks like mobile phone manufacturers are getting rid of their old test kit to anyonyone and various 3rd parties are selling them on.
They've probably got 100's if not 1000's of them.
Some seem to have no idea and eventually found a seller via the .com site rather than the .co.uk site with a better price and who was willing to communicate, show pictures of the options etc.
The adverts are poor and cut and pasted and do say 'Brand new', XP system etc as the sellers dont know what they are selling.
You may be able to get a $1200 one with all the options if you look hard enough. I paid a bit more but as a run a business so it hurts less!!
Will report back when it arrives.
Regards to all
p.s. Oh just to answer the other question re 'Is it any better than a 8566B'
Yes, very much so as it's way more than a Swept Spec Ani.
?
?
|
Hello Hardy,
EXT is E6607B :
They are obviously legit Agilent/Keysight hardware and components,
including software and license server. But MXA you see on all
those ebay listings are modified units and they run modified
license servers, made to work with any serial number and license
key. Dead give away available on the screenshots of the listings,
where you see machine HostID S/N and actual S/N of the unit not
matching up. Legitimate licenses issued by Keysight always match
in S/N. If you look very closely you can also see that all these
$1-2k MXAs have aftermarket labels, like the font and logos don't
match actual factory made Keysight/Agilent N9020A.
It's also easy to check by running S/N of converted MXA via
Keysight support database to see what it comes back to ;)
Now , do they work as real 3.6GHz MXA? Yes, at least I had all the
basic functions behave as expected.
But it does not mean they would be supported, serviced or related
to Keysight in any official way anymore after such "conversion".
:)
On 04/25/2024 1:07 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote:
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Hi
I am not sure I understand your statement!!
These MXA`s are genuie Agilent/keysight N9020A
analyzers-These resellers did get many and some were
obviously a mix of mainframe and processor board.If you look
closely at them you find ??they use a license server—no copy
cat !!!.Thats necessary because the machines id are located
in two places—midplane board and processor board…this
process are also described in the MXA service manual!!
Regarding options-I know they can make specific
options—still no copy cat!!...and at least one reseller also
can calibrate equipment.
Whats EXT ?
Regards
Hardy
?
?
I've got mine few years back. They get
lot of EXT units when upgraded their cell tower base station
test labs to newer and faster equipment. EXT is essentially
MXA hardware with different personality and additional
source hardware for wireless testing. All these sellers took
that additional hardware, modified the ID on these units to
become a standard MXA 9020 and copied software licenses for
these units to work as MXA. Some of the sellers claim to
calibrate them to match 3.6GHz specs of "real" 9020, but
there are no any traceable papers obviously. So that's what
they are. Mine unit works fine, but I'm not experienced in
RF domain, my interests usually stop at 50 MHz (not GHz!)
:-)
If anybody wants some tests, I can probably run them and
post results, but keep in mind that I don't have the usual
RF hardware in my DC/LF lab.
BR,
Illya
xDevs.com
On 04/19/2024 8:59 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote:
Please understand the way they do it over
there!!
Even simpler things have similar . multiple
outlets- at ?ec alliexprex.It seems they do not care as we
do do.
But I and several others in
Canada-UK-Australia,Denmark have received good well
packaged MXA``?s from---THEM….-I have receive 4!!!
So bogus?? Your choice.
Hardy
?
?
Yes Carsten the same items are listed
with multiple sellers and understand it looks a bit bogus.
However it looks like mobile phone manufacturers are getting
rid of their old test kit to anyonyone and various 3rd
parties are selling them on.
They've probably got 100's if not 1000's of them.
Some seem to have no idea and eventually found a seller via
the .com site rather than the .co.uk site with a better
price and who was willing to communicate, show pictures of
the options etc.
The adverts are poor and cut and pasted and do say 'Brand
new', XP system etc as the sellers dont know what they are
selling.
You may be able to get a $1200 one with all the options if
you look hard enough. I paid a bit more but as a run a
business so it hurts less!!
Will report back when it arrives.
Regards to all
p.s. Oh just to answer the other question re 'Is it any
better than a 8566B'
Yes, very much so as it's way more than a Swept Spec Ani.
?
|
Hi I am not sure I understand your statement!! These MXA`s are genuie Agilent/keysight N9020A analyzers-These resellers did get many and some were obviously a mix of mainframe and processor board.If you look closely at them you find ??they use a license server—no copy cat !!!.Thats necessary because the machines id are located in two places—midplane board and processor board…this process are also described in the MXA service manual!! Regarding options-I know they can make specific options—still no copy cat!!...and at least one reseller also can calibrate equipment. Whats EXT ? Regards Hardy ? ? I've got mine few years back. They get lot of EXT units when upgraded their cell tower base station test labs to newer and faster equipment. EXT is essentially MXA hardware with different personality and additional source hardware for wireless testing. All these sellers took that additional hardware, modified the ID on these units to become a standard MXA 9020 and copied software licenses for these units to work as MXA. Some of the sellers claim to calibrate them to match 3.6GHz specs of "real" 9020, but there are no any traceable papers obviously. So that's what they are. Mine unit works fine, but I'm not experienced in RF domain, my interests usually stop at 50 MHz (not GHz!) :-)
If anybody wants some tests, I can probably run them and post results, but keep in mind that I don't have the usual RF hardware in my DC/LF lab.
BR,
Illya
xDevs.com
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On 04/19/2024 8:59 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote: Please understand the way they do it over there!! Even simpler things have similar . multiple outlets- at ?ec alliexprex.It seems they do not care as we do do. But I and several others in Canada-UK-Australia,Denmark have received good well packaged MXA``?s from---THEM….-I have receive 4!!! So bogus?? Your choice. Hardy ? ? Yes Carsten the same items are listed with multiple sellers and understand it looks a bit bogus.
However it looks like mobile phone manufacturers are getting rid of their old test kit to anyonyone and various 3rd parties are selling them on.
They've probably got 100's if not 1000's of them.
Some seem to have no idea and eventually found a seller via the .com site rather than the .co.uk site with a better price and who was willing to communicate, show pictures of the options etc.
The adverts are poor and cut and pasted and do say 'Brand new', XP system etc as the sellers dont know what they are selling.
You may be able to get a $1200 one with all the options if you look hard enough. I paid a bit more but as a run a business so it hurts less!!
Will report back when it arrives.
Regards to all
p.s. Oh just to answer the other question re 'Is it any better than a 8566B'
Yes, very much so as it's way more than a Swept Spec Ani.
?
|
I've got mine few years back. They get
lot of EXT units when upgraded their cell tower base station test
labs to newer and faster equipment. EXT is essentially MXA
hardware with different personality and additional source hardware
for wireless testing. All these sellers took that additional
hardware, modified the ID on these units to become a standard MXA
9020 and copied software licenses for these units to work as MXA.
Some of the sellers claim to calibrate them to match 3.6GHz specs
of "real" 9020, but there are no any traceable papers obviously.
So that's what they are. Mine unit works fine, but I'm not
experienced in RF domain, my interests usually stop at 50 MHz (not
GHz!) :-)
If anybody wants some tests, I can probably run them and post
results, but keep in mind that I don't have the usual RF hardware
in my DC/LF lab.
BR,
Illya
xDevs.com
On 04/19/2024 8:59 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote:
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Please understand the way they do it over
there!!
Even simpler things have similar . multiple
outlets- at ?ec alliexprex.It seems they do not care as we
do do.
But I and several others in
Canada-UK-Australia,Denmark have received good well packaged
MXA``?s from---THEM….-I have receive 4!!!
So bogus?? Your choice.
Hardy
?
?
Yes Carsten the same items are listed with
multiple sellers and understand it looks a bit bogus.
However it looks like mobile phone manufacturers are getting
rid of their old test kit to anyonyone and various 3rd parties
are selling them on.
They've probably got 100's if not 1000's of them.
Some seem to have no idea and eventually found a seller via
the .com site rather than the .co.uk site with a better price
and who was willing to communicate, show pictures of the
options etc.
The adverts are poor and cut and pasted and do say 'Brand
new', XP system etc as the sellers dont know what they are
selling.
You may be able to get a $1200 one with all the options if you
look hard enough. I paid a bit more but as a run a business so
it hurts less!!
Will report back when it arrives.
Regards to all
p.s. Oh just to answer the other question re 'Is it any better
than a 8566B'
Yes, very much so as it's way more than a Swept Spec Ani.
|
Re: HP6643A - Blows Fuse When Activated
What the bulb is doing is limiting the current into the equipment.? All the voltages will be low.
What this is useful for is
1) saving fuses
2) running things at reduced input voltages which, depending on the power supply, may allow you to figure out which supply(s) has/have the shorted capacitor to ground.
Measure ONLY on the output of the supplies and circuitry, DO NOT measure on the directly rectified AC.
Harvey
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On 4/24/2024 10:02 PM, Michael Yellin wrote: All, I finally obtained a proper bulb -- turns out, my GF had an unopened package of 2 60 watt incandescent?bulbs. Woo hoo.? Finally got the bulb connected after removing the fuse holder.? HOWEVER, now, as soon as I turn the unit on, the bulb goes full bright, and nothing is displayed on the screen anymore.? Not sure if it is booting up "activated" or what. Definitely not good...worries that the last time it booted something happened and the fuse wasn't fast enough or ....?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 5:58?PM Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:
Appliance bulbs in particular.? Are halogen considered incondescent?
They are.? May not quite work the way you think, but they are.
They're
higher temperature than normal incandescent.? Definitely look for
appliance bulbs.
Harvey
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 5:15?PM Peter Gottlieb
<hpnpilot@...> wrote:
>
>? ? ?They sell them in the local Home Depot, appliance bulbs and
>? ? ?halogens bulbs.
>
>
>? ? ?On 4/13/2024 6:23 PM, Michael Yellin wrote:
>? ? ?> I can't believe how difficult it is to find an incandescent
>? ? ?bulb.? Gotta wait
>? ? ?> to get one from Ebay.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?> On Mon, Apr 8, 2024, 9:27?PM Michael Yellin via groups.io
<>
>? ? ?<> <>
>? ? ?> <michaelhq54@...> wrote:
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>? ? ?Will do.? Thanks for the offer, I plan to take you up
on it.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>? ? ?On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 4:43?PM Peter Gottlieb
>? ? ?<hpnpilot@...> wrote:
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>? ? ? ? ?Try starting with a 60 Watt incandescent.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>? ? ? ? ?If you need help troubleshooting the supply I would be
>? ? ?happy to assist.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>? ? ? ? ?Peter
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?On Apr 8, 2024, at 7:33?PM, Michael Yellin
>? ? ?<michaelhq54@...> wrote:
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ??
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?Peter,
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?This idea "You could wire an incandescent bulb in
place
>? ? ?of the fuse
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?so you don't keep blowing them. Find a wattage that
>? ? ?will allow the
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?supply to boot, but then light
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?up when the short occurs" is very interesting.
How can
>? ? ?I choose the
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?appropriate wattage of light?
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?Thanks,
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?Michael
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 7:05?PM Peter Gottlieb
>? ? ?<hpnpilot@...> wrote:
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?Could be a lot of things.? The manual is
available
>? ? ?on the web.
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?At quick glance
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?it seems when the supply is "on" before being
>? ? ?enabled, the main
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?transformer and
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?rectifiers are live.? You can verify by measuring
>? ? ?at the main
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?electrolytics.
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?My guess is something is wrong with the pass
>? ? ?elements and the
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?supply crowbars
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?but doesn't limit current and the fuse takes
over.
>? ? ?You may be
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?able to max out
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?the crowbar OVP limit and not blow the fuse but
>? ? ?that won't solve
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?the problem.
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?You could wire an incandescent bulb in place
of the
>? ? ?fuse so you
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?don't keep
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?blowing them.? Find a wattage that will allow the
>? ? ?supply to boot,
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?but then light
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?up when the short occurs.
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?Peter
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?On 4/6/2024 9:48 PM, Harvey White wrote:
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> if the fuse blows when activated, then
something
>? ? ?downstream of
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?the fuse, (once
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> activated) is likely a short. Assuming that the
>? ? ?high amperage
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?fuse blows
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> roughly as fast as the low amperage fuse (don't
>? ? ?try to measure
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?it......) then
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> you're likely looking at a dead short
downstream
>? ? ?of the fuse.
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> Harvey
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> On 4/6/2024 7:18 PM, Michael Yellin wrote:
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> Mates,
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> Recently acquired an HP 6643A.? When the
unit is
>? ? ?plugged in
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?and turned on, it
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>? ? ?unit is
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?"activated" to
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>? ? ?blows.? I don't
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>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?voltage and
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>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> everything appears fine, no burnt parts, no
>? ? ?bulging caps, no
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>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> and nothing obviously shorted. Anyone have any
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Re: HP6643A - Blows Fuse When Activated
All, I finally obtained a proper bulb -- turns out, my GF had an unopened package of 2 60 watt incandescent?bulbs.? Woo hoo.? Finally got the bulb connected after removing the fuse holder.? HOWEVER, now, as soon as I turn the unit on, the bulb goes full bright, and nothing is displayed on the screen anymore.? Not sure if it is booting up "activated" or what.? Definitely not good...worries that the last time it booted something happened and the fuse wasn't fast enough or ....?
Any help is greatly appreciated.??
On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 5:58?PM Harvey White < madyn@...> wrote: Appliance bulbs in particular.? Are halogen considered incondescent?
They are.? May not quite work the way you think, but they are. They're
higher temperature than normal incandescent.? Definitely look for
appliance bulbs.
Harvey
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 5:15?PM Peter Gottlieb <hpnpilot@...> wrote:
>
>? ? ?They sell them in the local Home Depot, appliance bulbs and
>? ? ?halogens bulbs.
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>? ? ?On 4/13/2024 6:23 PM, Michael Yellin wrote:
>? ? ?> I can't believe how difficult it is to find an incandescent
>? ? ?bulb.? Gotta wait
>? ? ?> to get one from Ebay.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?> On Mon, Apr 8, 2024, 9:27?PM Michael Yellin via
>? ? ?<> <>
>? ? ?> <michaelhq54=[email protected]> wrote:
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>? ? ?Will do.? Thanks for the offer, I plan to take you up on it.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>? ? ?On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 4:43?PM Peter Gottlieb
>? ? ?<hpnpilot@...> wrote:
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>? ? ? ? ?Try starting with a 60 Watt incandescent.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>? ? ? ? ?If you need help troubleshooting the supply I would be
>? ? ?happy to assist.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>? ? ? ? ?Peter
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?On Apr 8, 2024, at 7:33?PM, Michael Yellin
>? ? ?<michaelhq54@...> wrote:
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ??
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?Peter,
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?This idea "You could wire an incandescent bulb in place
>? ? ?of the fuse
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?so you don't keep blowing them.? Find a wattage that
>? ? ?will allow the
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?supply to boot, but then light
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?up when the short occurs" is very interesting. How can
>? ? ?I choose the
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?appropriate wattage of light?
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?Thanks,
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?Michael
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ?On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 7:05?PM Peter Gottlieb
>? ? ?<hpnpilot@...> wrote:
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?Could be a lot of things.? The manual is available
>? ? ?on the web.
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?At quick glance
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?it seems when the supply is "on" before being
>? ? ?enabled, the main
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?transformer and
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?rectifiers are live.? You can verify by measuring
>? ? ?at the main
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?electrolytics.
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?My guess is something is wrong with the pass
>? ? ?elements and the
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?supply crowbars
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?but doesn't limit current and the fuse takes over.?
>? ? ?You may be
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?able to max out
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?the crowbar OVP limit and not blow the fuse but
>? ? ?that won't solve
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?the problem.
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?You could wire an incandescent bulb in place of the
>? ? ?fuse so you
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?don't keep
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?blowing them.? Find a wattage that will allow the
>? ? ?supply to boot,
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?but then light
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?up when the short occurs.
>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?Peter
>? ? ?>>
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>? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?On 4/6/2024 9:48 PM, Harvey White wrote:
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> if the fuse blows when activated, then something
>? ? ?downstream of
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?the fuse, (once
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> activated) is likely a short. Assuming that the
>? ? ?high amperage
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?fuse blows
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> roughly as fast as the low amperage fuse (don't
>? ? ?try to measure
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?it......) then
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> you're likely looking at a dead short downstream
>? ? ?of the fuse.
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> Harvey
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?> On 4/6/2024 7:18 PM, Michael Yellin wrote:
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> Mates,
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>>
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> Recently acquired an HP 6643A.? When the unit is
>? ? ?plugged in
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?and turned on, it
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> boots, and seems fine. However, as soon as the
>? ? ?unit is
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?"activated" to
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> generate voltage and amperage, the glass fuse
>? ? ?blows.? I don't
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?have an endless
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> supply of fuses, but I have tried some very low
>? ? ?and very high
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?voltage and
>? ? ?>>? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> amperage settings, but that made no difference
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Re: Seeking HP 80000 Data Generator (aka 2900A) system software
As an update, the HP80K system boot disk creation went well using Stan's files pointers and an old PC.
The mainframe itself appears to have some power supply issues - it'll run briefly and then lock up with all five cards in, and make it 5-10 minutes with only one card seated. During that run time, self tests pass for the CPU board but others fail.
When all cards are in, after boot when the backplane power supply and the internal jet engine main cooling fan start up, the display dims and the CRT raster contracts considerably, which is why I suspect a power issue.
-Brian
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Welcome, Leo! I know I've seen your name before; are you on the TekScopes group? That's a nice HPAK gear collection you have. Unfortunately I can't help you with your 54620C. I had a 54504A for a while and currently have a 54120B. All my other scopes (4 at the moment) are Tektronix. I fix want to welcome you to the HPAK group, though. Jim Ford, Laguna Hills, California, USA Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Deviceber
Welcome, Leo!? I know I've seen your name before; are you on the TekScopes group?? That's a nice HPAK gear collection you have.? Unfortunately I can't help you with your 54620C.? I had a 54504A for a while and currently have a 54120B.? All my other scopes (4 at the moment) are Tektronix.? I fix want to welcome you to the HPAK group, though.? ? Jim Ford, Laguna Hills, California, USA?
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-------- Original message -------- From: Leo Potjewijd <pe1rhx@...> Date: 4/24/24 5:40 AM (GMT-08:00) Subject: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] new menber
Hi.
I'm new to this group and thought a little introduction is in order.
I am a semi-retired EE, specialized in the design of RFID readers which I have been doing for the past 30+ years.
Not a collector of HP gear per se, but I have aquired the odd bit here and there, most of it has been in storage for the past two or more decades:
HP 3325
HP 3330B with 3570A
HP 141T with 8552A and 8553B sections
HP 3577A
HP 3577A with 35677A
HP 3577B with 35677B
HP 8640B
Agilent 54620C
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The 54620C is causing me problems: it refuses to start up and only produces a horizontal line on the display.
I looked inside but could not find any obvious defects or smells, or any shorted tantalum caps.
The only thing that stood out just a bit (literally) was the NVRAM module that appears a little bloated.
Photos will be uploaded shortly.
?
Regarding this problem I am left with the following questions:
1) what can cause this behaviour?
2) is there any essential (like calibration) data in that RAM, i.o.w. can I just replace it?
3) if there is essential data there, how do I go about to refres/place that data?
?
It all boils down to the ultimate question: is there hope of restoring it or is it a basket case?
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Help me understand the 8510C memory boards
Hello,
I have a question related to the 8510C and more specifically related to
the Display Unit 85101C.
I noticed that there are 2 memory cards with the same part number
85101-60238 but they are not the same.
These cards have places for 2 rows of 16 EEPROMs Xicor X28HC256P but
some are soldered and some are empty sockets.
Same part number has 26 EEPROMs soldered and 6 empty sockets and another
card has 24 soldered EEPROMs and 8 empty sockets. EEPROM is the same
type on both cards so practically one card has less memory.
Unfortunately my card is the one with 8 empty sockets.
What is this card used for?
Can I add the extra EEPROMs in the empty sockets?
Do I need to reinstall the firmware of the 8510C?
I plan to run both 8530A and 8510C firmware. I have the PAL ICs for both.
For reference there is a picture attached with both cards.
Thanks,
Razvan
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Hi Leo,
Welcome to the Group!
Unfortunately, I can't help you with your 'scope problem because I'm not familiar with the HP 54620C.I do remember that we met around 10 years ago at your place where I picked up a Tek 2440 manual set that you offered.
I hope you can revive your 54620C!
Raymond
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Hi.
I'm new to this group and thought a little introduction is in order.
I am a semi-retired EE, specialized in the design of RFID readers which I have been doing for the past 30+ years.
Not a collector of HP gear per se, but I have aquired the odd bit here and there, most of it has been in storage for the past two or more decades:
HP 3325
HP 3330B with 3570A
HP 141T with 8552A and 8553B sections
HP 3577A
HP 3577A with 35677A
HP 3577B with 35677B
HP 8640B
Agilent 54620C
?
The 54620C is causing me problems: it refuses to start up and only produces a horizontal line on the display.
I looked inside but could not find any obvious defects or smells, or any shorted tantalum caps.
The only thing that stood out just a bit (literally) was the NVRAM module that appears a little bloated.
Photos will be uploaded shortly.
?
Regarding this problem I am left with the following questions:
1) what can cause this behaviour?
2) is there any essential (like calibration) data in that RAM, i.o.w. can I just replace it?
3) if there is essential data there, how do I go about to refres/place that data?
?
It all boils down to the ultimate question: is there hope of restoring it or is it a basket case?
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Re: Looking for a copy of the 4263B Adjustment Program, part number 04263-65005
And I now own a 4338B, so I'm now looking for the adjustment Programs for the 4263B and the 4338B (Part number: 04338-65005)....
Jared
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Re: Agilent E4404B Spectrum Analyzer With Dead PSU Repair
On Tuesday 23 April 2024 09:40:09 am fenugrec via groups.io wrote: *** Don't probe anything on the primary side with a plain oscilloscope !! unless you know exactly why and how not to kill your scope and/or yourself ***
That's when you want to use an isolation transformer... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
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Re: Seeking HP 80000 Data Generator (aka 2900A) system software
Stan,
> I found this zip file in my stash. To generate the diskettes you'll need a PC that can run LIFUTIL.exe. I hope this is what you need!
Thanks for the help!? I'll try creating the boot disks tonight - I have an older PC with a disk controller that still works with LIFUTIL (as well as an HPIB ISA adapter & external 9122C drive), so one of those should do the trick.
( I see in my browser history that I had visited the KO4BB , but IIRC I just had searched the web page for 80000 rather than using the site search...)
-Brian
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Peter Better give me a picture! Hardy -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: [email protected] < [email protected]> P? vegne af Peter Gottlieb Sendt: 23. april 2024 14:06 Til: [email protected]Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] N9020A ebay seller Thank you! If an option is listed but doesn't have a version, does that mean it is installed but simply isn't a versioned option? Peter On 4/23/2024 1:04 AM, hardyhansendk via groups.io wrote: This ebay seller( fuof6666 ) have the right MXA`s,with the options you like.
Many have bought from them,it’s a big international test equipment reseller--I have no connection with them-just a satisfied customer.
Hardy
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Emne: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] N9020A
On 4/22/24 14:51, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
So what options should I look for in one of these MXA units? I'm not sure yet. I asked from an ebay seller and got out of focus photos:
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Hi Yes-sure they are from ATE racks-mobile test. Regarding cosmetics one have to be very cautious-some do not look well,Ask for specific pictures of the unit,not just a -sample!!! The seller I use can help with options. The MXA have different displays-an old ccfl,and a much brighter led version.All units I see at ebay have the new.Think most units displays have been turned off. Hardy ? ? On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 05:04 AM, hardyhansendk wrote: Hi Yes the digital IF in E4406A and MXA? are variable preselected—the 12 bit version are the same ,but less dynamic range! Hardy
Thanks! Is it possible to find out any history of the MXA analysers from the seller? I would assume that nearly all of these analysers would have been used in ATE racks for the testing of mobile phone related stuff.
If so, they could be in very good condition cosmetically. I'm not sure how many hours they will have been running for in the ATE racks but some could have been running 24/7 for quite a while.
This probably doesn't matter that much though. It wouldn't put me off buying one if I was looking for a decent 3.6GHz spectrum analyser.
At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, I can't emphasise enough just how good these MXA analysers are. ?1500 is a great price, especially if the noise figure drive is fitted to them as standard.
Any missing software options can usually be added for free after the purchase. I suspect some of the sellers will have already done this, because it should be easy to generate the licence codes.
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Re: Agilent E4404B Spectrum Analyzer With Dead PSU Repair
On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 11:06 AM, Nick Stanley wrote:
nt even during the click, dipping only to 295V when
Rifa caps is a good preventative maintenance but the issue is most likely a small startup capacitor near the controller IC. These dry out and will not have the correct voltage feeding the controller IC. The ic tries to start and then the cap cant give enough stored energy and you hear the clicking as that repeats itself. Very common issue on switching supplies.? Not likely the bulk caps are the issue,? Best to discharge all the caps and test with ESR meter.? Focus on the area of the controller chip.? Maciej?
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HP 8920B Receiver Problems
I've got an HP 8920B in very good physical condition (except for a couple of scratches on the top, it almost looks new).? So it doesn't look like it's been out in the field much, if ever.
I purchased it used about 5 1/2 years ago.? It's serial number is US38384496.? It has options 001, 004,013, 014, 016, 020, 051, and 102.
In running the internal function tests, it's showing up a couple of errors:
Receiver Assembly Test - Down Converters (With Spectrum Analyzer)
Description: 500 Mhz (114.3 Mhz IF) shows -5.4 dbm Actual Level, where it should be between -4.5 dbm and +4.5 dbm
SSB Frequency
Description: Demod SSB Freq shows Actual Frequency at .063162 Khz, where it should be between .99 Khz and 1.01 Khz.
I've never worked much on service monitors and have never worked on one of these.? But I do have a lot of years (over 45) of troubleshooting and repairing commercial two-way radio equipment at the component level.
I've started to look over the service manual, but I wondered if someone might have some pointers that could help me run down the problems in this monitor, considering my lack of experience with it.
John Rayfield, Jr.
W0PM
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Jared Cabot